u/Long_Negotiation4324

Venom#258 was hyped up by many for many things with a lot of unrealistic expectations. All it did was return to the same old status quo 18 years ago. Arguably worse.

It's been less than 2 days since I finished Wells run. I had grown tired of Rabin Jr. Seeing the writers still trying defend the character & trying to compare him to Peter is seriously annoying.

In reality he's not even the worst love interest MJ had since OMD. It was Bobby Carr. Bobby Carr was far worse than Rabin Jr. could ever be. At the time they were really trying to make us hate & forget MJ. MJ taunted Peter about Uncle Ben then dated Bobby Carr a drug addict despite MJ being very anti-drug in her history. She was shown far more visually intimate with Bobby in the comics. They made her Bobby Carr's trophy doll.

Then in the "Many loves of Spider-Man" comics they showed MJ moving on & not caring about Peter saying fame & glamor is all she ever wanted.

They also ruined Felicia's character & her relationship with Peter post OMD. So Peter can't have the next best stable relationship with Black Cat. We also had the infamous Daredevil & Black Cat hookup during this time.

And they made Peter a simping manwhore.

Then Marvel made a new FORGETTABLE love interest for Peter aka Carlie Cooper who was based on Joe Quasada's daughter. It was during this time MJ returned. MJ returned to being Peter's friend then BND writers tried show us Carlie & Peter are compatible while MJ & Peter were always incompatible. While Felicia was returned to being a casual hookup friend & stopped being in love with Peter.

Next time when Peter & MJ's relationship started to heal & they were getting close to being back together. Fans were once again finally hopeful after BND shenanigans. They really thought #700 was MJ & Peter being back together. But then then BND editorial killed Peter then had Otto in Peter's body Sexually assault MJ. Otto really destroyed their relationship again this time & MJ also truly lost her trust in Peter. She started dating Pedro. A fireman who saved her after being disappointed for Peter not saving her. And they character assassinated Black Cat even further & made into full on Villain this time.

After Peter returned to his body MJ wanted be gone from Peter's life once again because of his life as Spider-Man. But then she went to work for Tony Stark & be a high profile employee of a Superhero. And she was angry at Peter for lying to Tony.

Then came the era of Peter's new forgettable love interests & MJ "menzing".

Then After 10 years Nick Spencer came to this book like a raft in middle of the ocean for us drowning fans. He spent 3 years trying to fix all the damage done in 10 years. Got MJ & Peter back together. Healed their relationship. Developed MJ's character. Healed Felicia & Peter's relationship. Also developed Felicia's character from her previous shallow self. Did everything in his power to undo OMD then undid the Sins Past. Editorial did everything to interrupt his writing. BND writers had comatose Peter react to Felicia even though Spencer wanted it to be MJ. Spencer was given the task to return to status quo from the worldwide saga. And he also took the mission to fix all the issues fans had gripes with. Many people think his run sucked but the story being mediocre is not that big of a surprise. He also had to shorten the story from 100 issue. It was objectively mediocre but he did better than most with all interference from editorial. But his run at least gave us hope for future stories.

Then again Zeb Wells happened. And we got Rabin Jr. MJ hating Peter & Rabin Jr. flexing on us despite the fact that it was Peter that saved their family. BND writers fully intended do more damage but the Fan backlash probably slightly changed their position about MJ/Rabin Jr. . Because Peter literally called her his sister. Peter/Felicia lasted merely 2 chapters. Then we got another forgettable love interest Shay to stop Peter from fully dating Felicia. Well's run ended with a meta commentary about Peter & MJ returning back together eventually someday. A false promise by the editorial.

Then Venom war we had ANOTHER will they won't they moment & a panel Peter drawn like a chud while MJ flirting with Rabin Jr.

Current day. They made MJ venom & blasted Peter off to space so MJ & Peter can't meet. Once again editorial made Ben Reilly drive a wedge in to not only MJ & Peter but all of Peter's relationships. We got Raelith. Who serves no purpose other than stopping Peter from having an actual romantic relationship.

Black Cat flirting with everyone. And we got MJ & Flash tease.

Currently MJ has become a hero & unlikely to return to being a civilian any time soon. ASM book will never have Peter have a meaningful relationship with a hero. And currently there's an unnecessary unresolved issue of MJ killing Torment.

Now onto the issue itself. MJ said she thought he was dead. Clearly new writer trying to fix the issue previous writer left behind with a soft retcon. MJ's had no reaction that implied she thought he was dead before. She was not really relieved to see him alive & immediately pushed him away. And continued to be harsh to him. In this new issue MJ actually apologized for the first time which I have been waiting for a long time but in the previous run Spider-Goblin issue Peter said to MJ she did nothing wrong & all MJ said was "I know". MJ is also now step-parent to Dylan which now makes her too old to date Peter according to current editorial standard. And she actually 4 years older now. Because they want infantile Peter. Even though both should be pushing their 30's now. MJ & Peter also "friends" now. Just like she is "friends" with Flash now. She had exact same conversation with Flash in the exact same place. They left her relationship with flash in a new mystery box. And flash is not a love interest that will simply go away.

Her relationship with Peter returned to same status quo as before but in an worse position. BND editorial won't let Peter have any meaningful relationship with MJ, Felicia or any other character anytime soon. They definitely won't let him grow. Marvel will continue to tease us to string us along all the while MJ's popularity is all time low as a love interest & continues to worsen among new fans. Many haters of Spider-Man fans will say we should move on already. Honestly we actually should but not from MJxPeter but from Spider-Man entirely. That's most healthy. But we are still here because most of us die-hard fans & unhealthily obsessed with Spider-Man.

I haven't read any comics for 4 years & dropped the book since beyond arc. The recent upsurge in Spider-Man media, the upcoming #1000 & people praising Joe made me pick up & continue reading again recently. During Nick Spencer run there was at least hope for development but current the editorial attitude is stark clear. They make no pretense. This issue except for trying to justify Pau.l to the readers most things can be taken positive but the problem is the feeling of "wait a minute I have been here before!". Deja Vu. The rinse & repeat of will they won't they. This is what made me feel really frustrated.

Entire Zeb Wells run could summarized into cat & mouse game with Tombstone for 60 issues. Peter turning evil for the nth time. Someone with a surname Rabin. A relationship with Felicia that lasted 2 issues. A new forgettable love interest. Norman is solidified as a good guy. Some what underdeveloped friendship with Kamala. And She-Hulk. Mandatory Kareem & Rabbit jumpscare. Also whatever the 'hell' is going with Ben Reilly. But he got Janine Godbe.

Romita Jr. is a great artists but it really just isn't my cup of tea bro. It felt like doodles.

Also I hate Tombstone. A discount kingpin with plot armor. Also did I say I hate Tombstone? Also hate Rabin Jr.

There are some good moments. But it's still a meh Story if we ignore the bad stuff. But the bad stuff sometimes also ruins all the good stuff.

In the last issue we got a meta commentary about a vague eventually about MJ & Peter that will never come under this editorial.

Also small note I dislike Tombstone.

Is this their way for us to like him?

The art was better than most of the run at least.

1st Norman & Peter gassed each other to take away each other's powers. What da heck?!? They could do it the whole time? Also I am confused If Peter with Goblin sin made the gas for Norman to use on Peter or was it Norman himself. Peter contingencies for Norman & fooled him into gassing himself with some sort of power nullifying gas Peter made after he lost his power from Norman's gas.

Then Peter became Green Goblin again but different from previous time where had a cool design, now he became ugliest looking Goblin. Peter then took out sinister six easily then fought Ben Reilly who fixed him trying to kill him.

And why is Sandman falling into villainy again? When did he have a Jekyll & Hyde syndrome? Why is Kraven & Goblin Queen shifting between being a villain to helping Peter constantly??

Norman's Sin outright states he smarter than all of them. He easily disabled Sinister Six using gadgets.

Also Peter actually killed Green Goblin (Norman's Sins) after being possessed by it like he is going to almost kill Carnage in Death Spyral later.

Peter is literally a Holy Saint now.

Yearly reminder this group of f**kers in the editorials killed off Peter in #700 & had Otto Octavious skin walk his body & Sexually Assault MJ in the same issue. Some healthy people were even fan of this even.

Warning: this post is bit of a mess. Basically copied text body from another discussion I was having.

People who are actually misogynistic are misogynist about every single female character not just MJ.

People who got mad at MJ about Eddie was ALL mostly Venom fans. They are biased towards Eddie. They even got mad when Peter bonded to carnage. Also 90% People being mad at MJ has nothing to do with misogyny. She has been written terribly. Every single person she has interacted with she had a holier than thou attitude that came of wrong to a lot of people. Venom and the black suit was also a major part of rift between Peter & MJ which was just turned aside. She objectively failed all of her relationship during her venom run. I don't know why it seems to be perceived ass character development aside from she is buddy buddy with venom & black cat. I dislike Paul but she was cold to him as well. People are also very annoyed about the fact that every single Spider-Man cast has become some sort of hero or a villain & that's another reason many people don't want venom MJ. Every single person doesn't need to be a hero or villain. Also a actor in background in film & modeling being being a corporate executive suddenly also doesn't make sense. People also don't want to buy or read 5 different titles to get with Spider-Man stories. There can only be so much heroes & you can only read so much comics! Some people also don't want 12 dozens love interests for Peter to keep him young. It's established over the years again again even by the BND writers that MJ is the most important person in his life. It was pretty much established the person loved Peter most was Mary Jane. And people actually fight for their love!! And the only person that's been doing that for past 2 decades is Peter. Anyone with a common sense can see writers & editorial withing story & within other medium constantly teasing baiting, teasing & rage baiting about Peter & MJ being together. Anything & Everything constantly indicates they are supposed to be the endgame. Anyone with a common sense can also see they "DELIBERATELY" portray Peter in a pathetic manner via art styles & awkward interactions to rage bait fans which the writers basically admits themselves!! Even People who doesn't like Spider-Man has talked about the writer's barely disguised fetish. And MANY comics readers in general want characters of a certain book remain in that book that has NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER!!! The problem isn't even her having power but she doesn't NEED to have powers. There was no NEED. She was the bread winner & moral compass for Peter for years. They made each other better. She was the more successful one in the family. She is objectively far better written female character & love interest than early Sue Storm & Lois Lane. They WERE a power couple in comics standard. MJ dealing with threats even without powers was much cooler. MAJORITY OF HER FAN BASE COMES FROM MJ x Peter fans!!

MOST IMPORTANTLY PEOPLE WANTING 2 PEOPLE TO BE TOGETHER & BE IN A RELATIONSHIP IS MISOGYNISTIC? WHAT KIND OF PESSIMISTIC WORLD DO WE LIVE IN??