Been over 2 months and basically got 0 useable upgrades until these boots with 24 cdmg. I guess Cdmg >>>> or >>>>> will just never happen, oh well. As much as I'd love to see 300 cdmg on the sheet, i think im just gonna give up.
Atk variant has nearly identical cdmg
Aha is at 148 for those wondering. 147 when using atk boots.
Featuring speed boots eva. Going against all thats sacred.
Eva was at 90 crit because I forgot to change her relics to make up for losing a yao lc, lol
11 eva, 61 emc (yao), 10 hh/tb
Her performance in PF is literally worse than feixiao. Never had to struggle this hard to clear with her.
60 ty, 11 eva, 10 aven, 00 sparkle.
Over 1 cycle remaining.
Hi all, so for a while I've been advocating that faster-than-aha EMC has a distinct advantage in MOC by allowing you to get 3 Aha's in cycle 0 of wave 2. After doing some thinking, I realized there are other ways to achieve this as well.
First, let me explain the basics of how this is even achievable in the first place. A few basics that I hope most people know
- Cycle 0 is 150 AV in MoC
- Aha's progress does not reset between wave resets (unlike units)
- AV needed to act = 10000/Speed
So, the trick is to get Aha to act very early on in Cycle 0. The only way to do this is to end Wave 1 RIGHT before Aha was about to act. So, you either need an enemy to act right before aha, and then use ults to kill them and end the wave (unreliable), or you need to have a unit act right before aha. It is important to note that the unit must act shortly before aha. If they act too much before aha (for example 18 AV before), then on cycle 2 Aha will act at 18 AV, and he wont have enough AV left (132) to act two more times.
A big problem is due to Aha's usual speed in a 3 elation comp. You'll usually have a Yg around 200ish speed, EMC around 160-200 speed, either base eva at 109-121 speed, or speed boots eva at around 134 speed. This ends up giving you an awkward Aha speed of 143-148ish. Yg and EMC are way too fast to act right before Aha, eva is too slow, and your 4th slot (probably huohuo) will likely also be way too fast.
Solution 1: Faster-than-aha eva
This kind of happened by coincidence for me, because I had a chest with one speed roll and E1 huohuo. My own aha runs at 148 speed, and my eva is at 148.5 speed. So If i end wave 1 on eva's turn, Aha will act at nearly 0AV on cycle 2, and act again at 68 AV and for a third time 135.5 AV.
This is great! Having 3 aha instants is awesome. However, this does introduce a significant drawback - Fast eva. Why is fast eva detrimental? It's not just the CB dropoffs that people talk about. Its also HL falling off when you need it most (end of cycle where ult windows open up the most), and awkward sacerdos uptime if you arent careful. With careful play, this is manageable, and I think having a third Aha instant often will outweigh this drawback.
But then as I was looking at someone else's speed tuning, I realized there are actually quite a few other options:
Solution 2: YG with Vonwacq
As long as YG is 30% faster than Aha's speed, you can get a THIRD YG turn before Aha's turn. You would have to end the wave on YG's turn, which may be difficult to do with a YG basic, so you may have to Eva Ult. Sometimes this would be a waste if enemies were almost dead, but sometimes it would be not much overkill
Why 30%? Because with vonwacq Yg basically needs to cycle through 2.6 natural tuns before aha cycles through 2 turns.
2.6/2 = 1.3, so 30% faster is what YG needs to be.
To make it more complicated, but maybe more easily understandable conceptually:
2.6 * 10000/YG < 2 * 10000/Aha
Again, be careful that YG isnt TOO much faster than aha, as that would lead to too much of a gap between YG and Aha's turn, and this gap is the AV that Aha starts at on Wave 2.
If you have good vonwacqs, I think this is actually the BEST solution to this problem. There is essentially NO drawback to this solution, as lushaka's 12% attack is almost worthless. And, if this allows you to run atk boots eva AND maintain the 3 ahas, its super worth it.
I had always had my YG at 200 speed on lushaka, so I thought Von wasnt too useful - if im already getting a turn every 50 AV, theres no point to a 40% advance since It wont lead to extra turns. I failed to consider the ORDER of the turns.
Solution 3: EMC with Eagle + Vonwacq
In this case, the assumption is that you cant get YG to that high of a speed, and so obviously you wouldnt be able to get EMC to that speed either. But, a lot of people are running EMC with eagle anyways, so this is an easy adjustment. In this case, since eagle provides a 25% advance, you only need EMC to take 2.35 turns before Aha's turn, which means EMC only needs to be 17.5% faster than Aha. Very easily achievable, but I dont think eagle nor vonwacq is the best set on EMC, as you'd be missing out on 46-48% cdmg for Eva running this setup
The math would be:
2.35/2 = 1.175, 17.5%.
Solution 4: Extremely fast 4th unit (welt, huohuo, etc), or Very slow 4th unit (to get 2 turns before aha)
Now that you understand the logic, you basically need your 4th unit to end up acting right before Aha. There are many ways to do this. Make em fast to take 3 turns, make them slow to take 2 turns. Use von/eagle, dont use von/eagle. Very flexible here. I think this is less optimal than Solution 2
Final thoughts: This is really only useful for MOC due to how wave reset works in this mode. Try it yourself (or dont), I think it's a nice tech to be aware of. I personally slightly preferred faster-than-aha eva simply because of this, but if I can get my hands on a good set of vonwacq I'm for sure switching to slow eva.
Cautions: This assumes that your yg and emc are generally fast, hence 143-148ish Aha speed. If they are WAY too slow (like a yg at 160), then this whole thing falls apart because aha will be too slow in general to get that sweet 3rd turn. Also, if your team is running that slow, then 0 cycling is probably out of the question anyways
Was able to get this with baby herta back in the day but she cant even clear anymore lol
E0s1 eva, e0s1 yg, e6s1(yg) emc, e1s0 huohuo
Had to run yao at like 214 speed, emc at like 210 or something, in order to make aha 150 speed to get 6 actions within 400 av. Eva herself was at 152 speed. Not idea but hey it worked out
Replacing huohuo for e1 tribbie = easy 0c
Replacing eva with e1 = easy 0c
Hi all. Wanted to provide a small update. I actually made a rednote account just to ask directly. To clarify, uncle MOMO is the one who said eva doesnt have future teammates, NOT uncle WHY. However, I was told that uncle momo responds in uncle why's comment section, so i asked my question there instead.
Translation:
Cheese6A (me): uncle, sorry my chinese is bad (american). wanted to ask, you* said eva really wont have new teammates in 4.x? Pearl wont even be on her team? On english forums, I can only secondhand read your comments, so I wanted to ask directly
Uncle Why: Following and drinking soup is fine (drinking soup seems to refer to making use of other supports even if they were not tailor made for them, kinda like riding coattails or something)
*had been trying to get momo to respond, was told that Why doesnt actually respond in comments
Anyways, possibly good news.
61 emc (yao), 10 tribbie, 01 yao, 10 huohuo
As shown yao is not well built
Who even needs sw999 or eva at this point?
It seems like there just isnt a real consensus on which is better. What are your guys' thoughts between these two builds?
Not a super great clear mind you, but a clear is a clear. Tried multiple teams, two favorite are:
E6s1 emc, e0s1 yao, e1s0 tribbie, e2s1 dhpt (8 cost)
E6s1 emc, e0s1 yao, e1s0 tribbie, e1s0 huohuo (6 cost)
Both these teams clear in 5 cycles, but the dhpt team is a bit faster with 70 av left instead of like 25 av.
Obviously shit is super shilled towards elation, but this is a decent clear time for a team without a real dps
Hp inflation is making life miserable....
madam herta is so washed
(Please ignore yaos buff uptime, silly mistake)
