Vidio sam objavu da se pomalo ubacuje prikaz iz 2025. i da neke ulice još nisu potpuno naštimovane, ali sada kada sam gledao razna mjesta po Crnoj Gori, izgleda da novog Google Street View-a ima svuda (osim na negdje gdje nije bilo moguće ući), čak i na autoputu.
Don't know if it would be the same word for farspeaker (telephone) contact and the one for rine (touch).
1. Eeseland
Rootloring (Etymology)
From Anglish ^(*1)Eese + land.
^(*1) - Eese is a forthputed (proposed) Anglish word for Aesir.
Retching (Explanation)
I mimmer (remember) that Snorri Sturluson bringed up (probably with fernish (ancient) sway (influence)) that Eese (Aesir) were descendants of Woldborough (Troy), which was set (located) in northwestern Ontholeland (Anatolia), called "Assuwa" (most likely root of the word "Asia").
Some also try to theed (connect) the Eese (Aesir) to Synde-Evelandish (Indo-European) theeds (tribes) coming from east to eftstow (replace) the Wanes (Vanir), which were ere-Synde-Evelanders (pre-Indo-Europeans).
Lore from Wikilearer (Wikipedia) (link):
>Snorri Sturluson and Saxo Grammaticus proposed that the term "Æsir" instead derives from "Ásiamenn ("Asians"), and the idea that the gods originated in Asia, later migrating into Northern Europe. This is however not supported by modern scholars and attributed to medieval scholarship on the matter and an attempt to connect the Scandinavian peoples with Classical antiquity and Christianity rather than a reflection of actual Germanic mythology.
Lore from Wikilearer (Wikipedia) (link):
>On a similar note, Marija Gimbutas argues that the Æsir and the Vanir represent the displacement of an indigenous group by a tribe of warlike Indo-European invaders as part of her Kurgan hypothesis.
2. Mornland
From English morn + land.
Retching (Explanation)
In Serbo-Croatish I made the word "Jutrinje" ("Yutrinye") for Asia, which staffly (literally) means "morn(ing) land". Asia is set (located) in the east from where Sun starts rising, being over against to Eveland (Europe).
Description
I wanted to make the name "Matija" (Matthew in Slavic languages) to be from a PIE root.
The root comes from "*méh₂-meh₂" (mom) and "tata-" (dad), echoing the baby talk. Since kids get half of genome (obviously PIE people didn't know this) from both of their parents, I thought this was a good idea for the root of the name.
The PIE word could be explained by how he gets some traits from his mother and some from his father.
Etymology
-> PIE: *Méh₂-ta/*Méh₂ta
-> PBS: *Mā́ˀ-ta/*Mā́ˀta
-> PSl.: *Ma-ta/*Mata
-> SC: Ma-ta/Mata
The name "Mata" already exists in some Slavic languages, so I thought this could work. I don't know how "*Méh₂ta" would end up in other IE language groups, but someone could try.
Since baby talk is universal, especially "mama" and similiar forms, the name could be made to be even older, maybe something like Wanderwort.
P.S. This was just a fun experiment I tried. I know that the word is of Hebrew origin.
Description
I wanted to make the name "Matija" (Matthew in Slavic languages) to be from a PIE root.
The root comes from "*méh₂-meh₂" (mom) and "tata-" (dad), echoing the baby talk. Since kids get half of genome (obviously PIE people didn't know this) from both of their parents, I thought this was a good idea for the root of the name.
The PIE word could be explained by how he gets some traits from his mother and some from his father.
Etymology
-> PIE: *Méh₂-ta/*Méh₂ta
-> PBS: *Mā́ˀ-ta/*Mā́ˀta
-> PSl.: *Ma-ta/*Mata
-> SC: Ma-ta/Mata
The name "Mata" already exists in some Slavic languages, so I thought this could work. I don't know how "*Méh₂ta" would end up in other IE language groups, but someone could try.
Since baby talk is universal, especially "mama" and similiar forms, the name could be made to be even older, maybe something like Wanderwort.
Reconstruction
1. Ustanova (institution)
-> SC: u-stan-ov-a/ustanova
-> PSl.: *vъ(n)-stanъ-ovъ-a/*vъstanъovъa
-> PBS: *(?)-stāˀn(as)-(?)-āˀ/*(?)stāˀn(?)āˀ
-> PIE: *h₁ón-stéh₂-no-(m)-ew-(os)-eh₂/*h₁ónstéh₂noeweh₂
2. Trovjeda (neologism I made)
-> SC: tro-vjeda/trovjeda
-> PSl.: *trь-věda/*trьvěda
-> PBS: *tri-waid-āˀ/*triwaidāˀ
-> PIE: *tri-wóyd-eh₂/*triwóydeh₂
More info
The letters in brackets are the ones I think are lost during development in PIE and PBS.
The question marks are the PBS elements I couldn't find.
Someone told me that threefold in PIE is "*trey-", but Wiktionary gives me "*tri-".
Please correct me.
Someone told me that PIE "*reh₁ís" (with change to "*róh₁ís" or "*roh₁ís") can get through PBS "*rā́ˀjis" to PSl. "*rajь" , but the problem is morphology aka gender, since "*(e)-ís" is feminine ending and "*rajь" is masculine.
In this case could "*(H)róh₁ís-éh₂" -> "*rā́ˀjisa" -> "*raja" work? But, I don't know if "*-ís-éh₂" would work or it would be "-í-éh₂"? And would it be "ó" or "o" during phonetic change?
I wanted also to ask can the noun just change the gender during development from PIE (feminine) to PBS (masculine) to PSl. (masculine) with the added "j" consonant?
If there is someone who knows more could you please help me?
P.S. Link to the previous post:
Zanima me kako se tretira ovaj prefiks na hrvatskom.
Na primjer u Crnoj Gori mi koristimo "pre-" za većinu riječi: prepisati, previše, prevođenje, prevoz itd. Ali takođe imamo i "prije-", u smislu prijesto ili prijestonica.
Zanima me da li se u hrvatskom koristi "prije-" uvijek ili ima nekih limita, a to zavisi od toga kako zvuči (previše > prijeviše, prepisati > prijepisati) ili od nečeg drugog?
Wiktionary gives:
PIE: *méh₂tēr
PBS: *mā́ˀtē
PSl.: *mati
There are words like: "*materinь", "*materinьskъ" and "*materьinstvo", but there wasn't a page for "*materь", so I wanted to know if it's a borrowing because some words for family members lost the "-(ē)r", like:
"*bʰréh₂tēr" (brother) -> "*brā́ˀtē" -> "*bratrъ"/"*bratъ" "*dʰugh₂tḗr" (daughter) -> "*duktḗ" -> "*dъťi"
I saw that it's borrowed from Latinish (Latin) "-arius", so I wanted to know if there is another word for it.
I saw that there is a mention of the three-god system existing among the PIE people, with:
- Day-sky god (*Dyḗus or *Dyḗus ph₂tḗr),
- Night-sky god (*Worunos or *Werunos) and
- Binder-god (between night and day).
Here is a mention of this deity from Wikipedia:
In the three-sky cosmological model, the celestial phenomena linking the nightly and daily skies is embodied by a "Binder-god": the Greek Kronos, a transitional deity between Ouranos and Zeus in Hesiod's Theogony, the Indic Savitṛ, associated with the rising and setting of the sun in the Vedas, and the Roman Saturnus, whose feast marked the period immediately preceding the winter solstice.
Don't know if it's different but there is already "*H₂éwsōs" representing dawn. Could this binding god reperesent setting of the Sun?
This is an interesting deity, so I would like to know if there is something more to learn about it.
What do the experts think about the attributes of this deity. As far as I know there are two theories, about what is he deity of:
Fire and blacksmithing (maybe equivalent of Greek Hephaestus and Roman Vulcan).
Sky and/or sun and/or creation (maybe equivalent of Greek Uranus and Roman Caelus).
This theory is probably supported with the name Svarozhich (little Svarog), who is either other name for Dazhbog, a different deity or a name for the lower gods (Svarozhichs?).
Is it possible that he is a later evolution of "*dȋvъ" ((sky) god) like how Kresnik is in Slovenia, maybe during exchange with Iranian people? I also saw some connecting the Sanskrit word "svarga" and Svarog, like in the Swedhuism (a PIE reconstructed religion):
Swélcṃs
The bridge to the Otherworld: a rainbow or the Milky Way. “The Sun’s Path." Descendants: svarga, and Svarog.
In Slavic languages there is a word derieved from "*rajь" which means paradise, but in Slavic mythology there is also a place called Iriy/Vyrai/Vyriy/Irij. Are these two words somehow connected?
Here's what I found.
WORD "*rajь"
Etymology of the Proto-Slavic word "*rajь", according to Wiktionary:
>Probably borrowed from an Iranian language, from Proto-Iranian *raHíš, from Proto-Indo-Iranian *raHíš, from Proto-Indo-European *reh₁ís (“wealth, goods”).
PII word "*raHíš" means: wealth, property, goods. I don't know how did it change it's meaning in Slavic and Lithuanian languages to mean "paradise"?
Wiktionary in Russian has another theory for "рай" (translated in English):
>A number of etymologists, without any basis, associate the Slavic *rajь with рой, ре́ (similar to край: крови́ть) and assume here an ancient meaning of "sea, current." The fact that no traces of the use of рай as a "river, current" have survived in Russian hydronymy speaks against this latter etymology. They also identify рай with the Russian рай "distant noise, rumble."
WORDS "*jьrъ", "*jьrьjь"
I couldn't find the etymology page of the PSl words "*jьrъ" and "*jьrьjь", on Wiktionary, but there is one for PBS "*jáuˀrāˀ" (body of water (lake, sea), marshland).
>No Slavic descendants are safely deduced. Superficial match to the related i-stem is dial. Russian вырь (vyrʹ, “wirlpool”) (for the development Proto-Balto-Slavic *jū- > Proto-Slavic *vy- compare the pronoun *vy (“you”)). The fabled names for “Otherworld, Elysium” in a handful of Slavic languages:
(Listed names)
>have been also suggested as possible cognates, however, with lesser certainty. These mythonyms could alternatively be *vъ- prefixed variants of the Iranian borrowing *jьrьjь (“Aryan realm”) (whence Russian ирей (irej), Ukrainian ірій (irij), Serbo-Croatian ириј, Czech irij), which Early Slavs believed to be the place where birds migrate during winter. Other theories also exist.
>Derksen qualifies the existence of Slavic descendants as "highly uncertain".
Page for Iriy on Wikipedia says:
>The etymological reconstruction of the word, supported by preserved beliefs, allows us to connect the Iriy with the oldest Slavic ideas about the other world, which is located underground or beyond the sea, where the path lies through water, in particular, through a whirlpool. The pagan Slavic peoples thought the birds flying away to Vyrai for the winter and returning to Earth for the spring to be human souls.
>This term is sometimes said to be derived from rai, the Slavic word for paradise, but this is probably a folk etymology. It could be derived from the Proto-Slavic *rajъ in connection with the Persian rayí (wealth, happiness). Similarities to other languages have also been found, for example: the Greek éar (spring), Sanskrit áranyas (alien, distant), or the Proto-Indo-European *ūr- (water), but none of these three theories have found common recognition or approval.
MY THOUGHTS
I see that there are proposed theories which connect the words "*rajь" and "*jьrъ", "*jьrьjь" to water and whirpools somewhere beyond the world. Could it be possible that "*jьrъ", "*jьrьjь" was word which Proto-Slavs used for the otherworld, but through the exchange between Slavic and Iranian tribes, the similiar sounding PI word *raHíš ended up taking over?
ATTEMPT AT PBS AND PSL. RECONSTRUCTION FOR PIE "*reh₁ís"
I also wanted to try to see how would "*reh₁ís" end up in PBS and PSl.. I found a similiar PIE word "*reh₁t-" (post, beam, pole), but I couldn't find PBS and PSl roots, just a descendant words in OCS: "ратище" ("ratište") and "ратовище" ("ratovište").
My attempt:
PIE: *reh₁ís
PBS: (?)-is
PSl: *raь
I'm probably wrong, but I don't know if "*reh₁-" with "h₁" laryngeal would produce "*ra-" in PBS and PSl. descendants, and how the "-ь" would affect the word. Please correct me, I'm really curious about this word.
The names I think I saw were:
My ween (idea) is "worketing".
Rootloring (Etymology)
From English work^(*1) + -et^(*2) + -ing.
^(*1) - Sibword (cognate) of organ.
^(*2) - Sibword (cognate) of -ise.
My weens (ideas) are to brook (use) "instell" for "institute" and "instelling" for "institution".
Prometheus Brings Fire by Heinrich Friedrich Füger.
SIMILIAR MYTHS OF THE THEFT OF FIRE
In Greek (IE) mythology there is Prometheus who stole the fire from Olympians and gave it to the humans. As a result he was chained to Caucasus mountains, and an eagle is sent every day to eat his liver.
In Georgian (non IE) mythology (in one version) there is Amirani who stole the fire from metalsmiths and gave it to the humans. As a result he was chained to Caucasus mountains, and an eagle is sent every day to eat his liver.
In Vainakh (non IE) folklore there is Pkharmat who stole the fire from Sela and gave it to the humans. As a result he was chained to Caucasus mountains, and a falcon is sent every day to eat his liver.
In Vedism and Hinduism (IE) there is Mātariśvan, which is one of the names of Agni, who stole the fire from Sela and gave it to the humans.
SIMILIAR MYTHS OF THE PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN WORSHIP OF FIRE
The last one I mentioned, Mātariśvan or more importantly his name, Agni, etymologically comes from the proposed PIE deity called *H₁n̥gʷnis. The PIE word *H₁n̥gʷnis is ancestor of some words for fire in IE languages:
Some of the deities which were connected to this words were:
Enji in Illyrian and Albanian mythology.
Agni in Vedism and Hinduism.
(Possibly) Ugnis*^(1) in Lithuanian folklore.
(Possibly) Uguns*^(1) in Latvian folklore.
(Possibly) Ogonĭ*^(1) (Svarožič) in Slavic folklore.
MY THOUGHTS
In Georgia, near the border with Russia, there is a dormant stratovolcano called Mount Kazbek or Kazbegi. With it's height of 5,054 meters (16,581 ft) above at sea level.
Mount Kazbek is associated in Georgian folklore with mentioned Amirani, who was chained on this mountain in punishment according to the legend. PIE people homeland, according to most researchers, was north of Caucasus, on Pontic steppe, but I think that there could have been a chance that they tried to connect their fire deity *H₁n̥gʷnis to some of the ones that were part of the Caucasian folklores. There were some words which were probably borrowed from early Caucasian languages by PIE people, like:
Some of these interpretations of the mythical theft of fire were probably lost, and just remained words for the "alive"*^(2) fire and somewhere for a deity connect to fire, like in: Illyrian, Albanian, Lithuanian, Latvian and Slavic languages.
P.S. I'm an enthusiast in early Proto-Indo-European myths and linguistics, not an expert, so I'm sorry if I interpreted something wrong during my research.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
*^(1) From Wikipedia (link)
>Early modern sources report that Lithuanian priests worshipped a "holy Fire" named Ugnis (szwenta), which they tried to maintain in perpetual life, while Uguns (māte) was revered as the "Mother of Fire" by the Latvians. Tenth-century Persian sources give evidence of the veneration of fire among the Slavs, and later sources in Old Church Slavonic attest the worship of fire (ogonĭ), occurring under the divine name Svarožič, who has been interpreted as the son of Svarog.
*^(2) From Wiktionary (link):
>Two main terms for “fire” are reconstructible for Proto-Indo-European: *h₁n̥gʷnís and *péh₂wr̥. They are usually considered in semantic opposition. The first term is usually masculine and refers to fire as something animate and active (compare Agni, the most prominent Old Indic deity), whereas the second term is neuter and refers to fire as something inanimate and passive, i.e. as a substance.
