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Sudo "BREAKING: Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has reportedly requested an emergency session with lawmakers after qwen 3.8 a 27b open model outscored opus 4.6 max on livecodebench while running offline on a used $900 graphics card. he is asking for restrictions. for safety." ➡️ Legit?

https://x.com/sudoingX/status/2088551892901327198

Claude is now #3 on our community ballot with an approval rate of 47.3%. Too low? Too high? Or just about right? Vote: https://lifehubber.com/ai/ballot/

u/Koala_Confused — 5 days ago
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Qwen 3.8 27b is just unreal, real coding test inside.

TL;DL: Gave Qwen 3.8 27b a simple prompt and it build this: https://qwen3-8-eccomerce-test.vercel.app/
Repo: https://github.com/catriel25/qwen3.8-eccomerce-test

Like everybody else in the local AI community today, I dowloaded Qwen 3.8 27b UD-Q4_K_XL as soon as it was published.
I'm running it in a single rtx 3090, no mtp, 110k context and kv cache f16 with llama.cpp, same flags used with Qwen 3.6 27B.

I have this stupid test that I run with every new model that comes out. It consist in connecting the model to pi code (almost vanilla, only internet access and some simple navigation tools I built) and giving it this prompt:

"Construye el frontend completo de un pequeño ecommerce premium para una panadería artesanal usando Next.js App Router (JavaScript).

El proyecto debe ser frontend-only en esta etapa. No debe incluir backend, base de datos, autenticación ni pasarelas de pago. El checkout debe finalizar redirigiendo a WhatsApp con un mensaje de pedido bien estructurado.

La app debe incluir una experiencia completa de compra: home, catálogo con productos de panadería, categorías, productos destacados, carrito, resumen de pedido y checkout. Usá mock data local para productos, categorías, precios, descripciones, disponibilidad e imágenes o placeholders visuales. Todo debe quedar preparado para conectar posteriormente un backend real sin tener que rehacer la arquitectura principal del frontend.

El diseño debe sentirse extremadamente premium, artesanal, moderno y cuidado. No quiero una landing genérica ni una interfaz básica. La primera pantalla debe comunicar claramente la identidad de la panadería, mostrar producto real o visualmente convincente, y permitir empezar a comprar. La experiencia debe ser excelente tanto en desktop como en mobile.

El catálogo debe permitir explorar productos, ver información clara de cada ítem y agregarlos al carrito. El carrito debe permitir modificar cantidades, eliminar productos y ver totales. El checkout debe pedir datos mínimos necesarios para el pedido, permitir notas o preferencias, y generar una URL de WhatsApp con productos, cantidades, subtotales, total y datos del cliente.

La estructura del código debe separar razonablemente datos mock, tipos de dominio, utilidades de checkout/WhatsApp, componentes de catálogo, componentes de carrito y vistas principales. La solución debe quedar lista para reemplazar la mock data por datos de backend en una etapa posterior."

Those are just instructions to build a nextjs project (javascript only) with the frontend for small eccomerce with whatsapp checkout, leaving everthing ready to connect a backend later. Nothing else, no skills, no more feedback. Just one prompt and watching the result.

I have run this test with all the models and finetunes I can fit in my GPU, and not a single one was even close to this result.
Not a single alert form nextjs (wich was usual before) or something that looks broken.

At some point, this bastard realised it didn't had visión (lol, not enough VRAM buddy) and it decided FUCK IT, I'M GONNA BUILD THE IMAGES MYSELF. He made SVGs for every product card.

I have more testing to do like trying it in a real codebase but... I can't believe i'm running this thing in a single RTX 3090, it is just unreal.

Imagine 2 years from now.

Biggest fuck you Dario of the year.

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u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 5 days ago
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DeepSeek V4 Pro è ufficiale: rilasciata la build 0813, in silenzio

DeepSeek ha rilasciato la versione ufficiale di V4 Pro. Niente post su X, niente blog post, nessuna voce nel changelog: l'unica traccia ufficiale è una riga nella pagina Models & Pricing della loro API, dove alla voce "MODEL VERSION" ora compare DeepSeek-V4-Pro-0813.

È il terzo rilascio consecutivo fatto così: la preview di V4 ad aprile, Flash 0731 il 31 luglio annunciato solo nel changelog, ora il GA di Pro senza nemmeno quello.

Cosa si può verificare oggi:

  • La pagina prezzi ufficiale indica DeepSeek-V4-Pro-0813 come versione corrente del modello deepseek-v4-pro. Il model ID non cambia: chi già usa l'API si ritrova la nuova build senza toccare nulla
  • OpenRouter ha listato deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro-0813 oggi alle 15:42 UTC, servito direttamente da DeepSeek, descritto come "the GA release of DeepSeek V4 Pro"
  • La feature matrix ufficiale segna Responses API supportata anche per Pro. La pagina Codex di DeepSeek ha perso il vecchio caveat "solo Flash è supportato" e ora pubblica uno script di setup one-click: Pro è utilizzabile da Codex CLI, dall'app desktop di ChatGPT e dall'estensione VS Code
  • Contesto 1M token, output massimo 384K, prezzi invariati: $0.435/M input, $0.87/M output, $0.003625/M cache hit

Cosa non si può dire, onestamente:

  • Non c'è un changelog, quindi non sappiamo cosa sia cambiato rispetto alla preview di aprile. Nessun benchmark nuovo pubblicato, nessun confronto con Flash 0731, che il 31 luglio superava la preview di Pro su tutti i benchmark agent dichiarati da DeepSeek
  • Non c'è un nuovo repo pesi su Hugging Face: l'ultimo aggiornamento del repo pubblico di V4 Pro è di giugno, e la versione scaricabile resta quella della preview. Per ora 0813 è solo API
  • La sigla "0813" suggerirebbe il 13 agosto, ma il modello è listato già dal 12. DeepSeek non ha commentato

Per chi vuole provarlo subito:

V4 Pro è già nel listino di OpenCode Go: $5 il primo mese, poi $10/mese, con 3.450 richieste ogni 5 ore e dati di training dichiarati come non utilizzati. I dati pubblici di OpenCode lo mostrano già come secondo modello più usato sulla piattaforma, con il 14% del volume dietro solo a Flash. In alternativa la via diretta: API key DeepSeek e /connect su OpenCode, oppure lo script one-click pubblicato da DeepSeek per Codex (su Windows: irm https://cdn.deepseek.com/api-docs/codex-deepseek-setup-en.ps1 | iex).

Un dettaglio da segnare: nella stessa pagina prezzi DeepSeek scrive che intende alzare i prezzi dell'API "in the near future, with a significant increase expected". Le tariffe attuali sono quelle promozionali rese permanenti a maggio, e potrebbero non durare.

Il rilascio di oggi porta Pro in pari con Flash sul piano delle integrazioni (Responses API, Codex) e chiude la fase preview della famiglia V4 lato API. Restano aperti due punti: i pesi della nuova build e l'Harness proprietario citato nei benchmark ufficiali, ancora non rilasciato.

Fonti:

u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 8 days ago
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10 Free AI Design & Image Tools With Genuinely Free Tiers — Free AI Tools Series Pt. 3

Same rule as Parts 1 and 2: verified free tiers, not disguised trials. This round: design & image.

  1. Canva — free tier includes real AI features (Magic Studio, background remover, text-to-image), not locked behind Pro.
  2. Adobe Firefly — free monthly generative credits, no card required to start.
  3. Remove.bg — free background removal, no watermark on standard resolution.
  4. Photopea — free browser-based Photoshop alternative, no signup needed at all.
  5. Krea AI — free tier for real-time AI image generation.
  6. Microsoft Designer — free, uses DALL·E under the hood, no separate subscription.
  7. Ideogram — free daily credits, especially strong at generating readable text inside images.
  8. Playground AI — free daily image generations, decent editing tools built in.
  9. Clipdrop — free tier covers background removal, upscaling, and relighting tools.
  10. Vectorizer.ai — free tier for converting raster images to vector, genuinely useful and often overlooked.

Bonus: Fully Open-Source (Free Forever, No Signup)

These aren't "free tier" — they're open-weight models you can run yourself, with zero recurring cost or watermark, ever:

  1. Stable Diffusion 3.5 — the most mature open-source image model, huge community, tons of tutorials. Free to self-host (Stability AI Community License covers individuals/small teams).
  2. FLUX.1 Schnell — Apache 2.0 licensed, genuinely no strings attached, fast generation, strong quality.
  3. ComfyUI — free, node-based interface for running Stable Diffusion/FLUX locally, the standard tool serious hobbyists use.
  4. AUTOMATIC1111 WebUI — the most beginner-friendly free interface for running Stable Diffusion on your own machine.
  5. Qwen-Image — Apache 2.0 license (clear commercial rights), particularly good at rendering readable text inside images.

⚠️Honest catch: these aren't one-click free like the tools above(Open-Source) — you need your own GPU (roughly 8-16GB VRAM depending on the model) or a cloud GPU rental to actually run them. But once set up, there's no subscription, no credits, no watermark, ever — genuinely free forever, not "free until we change the pricing page."

I use Canva and Remove.bg the most for quick project graphics — Firefly and Krea when I need something more generated-from-scratch.

Part 4 (video tools) coming next.

What's your go-to for quick design work?

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u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 4 days ago
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All the more reason not to use Closed Models ... Claude now officially "marks" AI-generated content ... steganographically, apparently ... and there are false positives already

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u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 8 days ago
▲ 552 r/IA_Italia+3 crossposts

A Paper That Could Shake the LLM World Just Dropped: Researchers “Stole” Hidden Chain-of-Thought from OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google Models

a paper was released that could send shockwaves through the LLM community.
For the first time, researchers systematically extracted — at scale — the actual hidden chain-of-thought (CoT) from proprietary models developed by OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google.
Then, almost as a side experiment, they used those extracted reasoning traces to study a range of open-source models, including Kimi K3, GLM-5.2, DeepSeek, and others.
And the results are fascinating.

01 | It Turns Out Hidden CoT from Closed Models Can Actually Be Stolen

OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google have all become increasingly reluctant to expose their models’ full chain-of-thought to users.
The reason is easy to understand: final answers can be copied, but the truly valuable part is how the model thinks.

If complete CoT traces can be extracted in bulk, they can be used directly for distillation — essentially allowing others to train their own models on the reasoning process of a stronger proprietary model.
That’s why many APIs now return a model’s reasoning in encrypted form.

You can’t see what’s inside, but on the next request, the client can send that encrypted reasoning block back to the model so it can continue reasoning from where it left off.
Then the researchers discovered something pretty wild:

These encrypted reasoning traces were apparently compatible across different users, sessions, and even different models within the same provider’s ecosystem.
That makes the attack almost absurdly simple:
Let the strongest model reason → capture its encrypted CoT → pass it to a weaker, easier-to-jailbreak model from the same provider → get the weaker model to decode and reveal it.
For example, according to the paper, the hidden reasoning of Claude Opus 4.8 could be handed over to Haiku, which could then be induced to “read it out.”

In other words, you don’t necessarily need to break Opus itself.

You just need to go after its little brother, Haiku.
The researchers ultimately demonstrated hidden-reasoning extraction across the Claude, GPT, and Gemini API ecosystems, effectively bypassing the protection layer that providers had intended to use to prevent chain-of-thought distillation.

This may be the closest thing yet to direct evidence that Kimi distilled Claude’s reasoning traces.
The researchers were not investigating Kimi at first. They discovered that the encrypted reasoning blobs returned by the Claude, OpenAI, and Gemini APIs could be resubmitted to the models independently of the original conversation.

For example, if you take the encrypted reasoning from Opus 4.8 and feed it to Haiku together with a specific prompt, Haiku can reconstruct Opus’s original hidden chain of thought word for word. The number of recovered tokens also matches almost one-to-one with the “thinking tokens” recorded for API billing.
In effect, this gave researchers access, for the first time, to the actual hidden reasoning trajectories of closed-source models.

They then treated these chains of thought as “fingerprints” and tested whether other models appeared to remember their contents. They would give a model the beginning of a Claude or GPT reasoning trace, then measure how many attempts were needed before it could reproduce the next 16 tokens verbatim.

The most anomalous result came from Kimi-K3.
For certain Claude and GPT reasoning fragments, extracting the continuation from Kimi-K3 was up to roughly six orders of magnitude easier than with the second-ranked model.

In another experiment, the researchers fed Kimi-K3 only a few initial Opus reasoning tokens. Kimi’s subsequent reasoning process and final answer then shifted noticeably toward Opus’s full original output. Without that opening fragment, Kimi followed a clearly different reasoning path.

This is not the same as two models simply having similar writing styles. Similar styles can emerge naturally from similar training data and training methods. But showing orders-of-magnitude anomalous recall for specific hidden reasoning fragments looks much more like the model encountered those exact trajectories during training.
Of course, this still does not tell us where Moonshot obtained the data or exactly how it was acquired, nor does it amount to a final determination in the legal sense. But from a model-forensics perspective, this may be the strongest public evidence so far that Kimi may have learned not just Claude’s answers, but Claude’s reasoning process—the part Claude was never meant to reveal.

Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 8 days ago
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From Colibrì to Lumabri: running huge MoE models as a swarm of ordinary machines

Hey everyone,
I’m the founder of Colibrì (https://github.com/JustVugg/colibri).
First, a real thank you. The support, the help, the bug reports, the experiments people shared, and especially the honest criticism from this community have been invaluable. A lot of what improved in Colibrì came directly from the feedback and pressure-testing that happened here. Running frontier MoE models on ordinary hardware is still early and imperfect, and your willingness to try it, break it, and push it has helped both the code and me.
I’ve also been building the next step: Lumabri.
Lumabri turns a group of ordinary machines into a swarm that can serve the same huge Mixture-of-Experts models. One machine starts with the model and acts as the initial source (and permanent fallback). Any other machine can join and start chatting — nothing is downloaded up front. The only bytes that cross the network are the ones the inference actually needs. Those blocks arrive from peers (or from the origin if no one else has them yet), land in a local mirror, and stay there. The second question is already served from local disk at full speed, even if every peer goes offline.
The design rule is simple: any machine may join, GPU or not. The engine was built for CPU and SSD first. A GPU only makes it faster, never different, and the output is byte-identical either way. A swarm with zero GPUs is still a working swarm.
You can just chat, or also donate disk space (the tracker assigns the least-replicated slices), or donate compute (your machine runs the experts for others), or both. The tracker is only an index — the actual work is done by the peers. One tracker can host multiple models. Peers stay anonymous. NAT works with no router configuration.
In short: the model lives across the swarm, the working set is pulled only when needed, and after the first answer your machine already has a warm local mirror.
Thanks again to everyone who supported, helped, and criticised Colibrì. That feedback is what made this possible.

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u/Just_Vugg_PolyMCP — 11 days ago
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I spent 50+ hours collecting every FREE AI resource that actually matters (so you don't have to)

Everyone talks about "learning AI."

Almost nobody tells you where to actually start.

Over the past few months, I've been learning AI, ML, Cloud, and Agentic AI. Instead of bookmarking hundreds of random links, I narrowed it down to the resources that genuinely helped me understand and build things.

If you're starting your AI journey, this list should save you a lot of time.

📌 Save this post—you'll probably come back to it later.

🤖 Generative AI

☁️ Cloud

📊 Machine Learning

🧠 LLMs & AI Agents

🐍 Python

📈 Data Science

🛠️ AI Development Tools

💻 Coding Practice

🏆 Competitions

📚 Research Papers

⭐ Bonus (Open Source AI)

🔥 My honest advice

Don't try to learn everything at once. Pick one roadmap, build real projects with it, and stay consistent. Consistency beats hoarding tabs.

What free resource actually moved the needle for you? Drop it below — I'll add the best ones to the list with credit.

u/AREfficiency — 11 days ago
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I wrote a free field guide to AI memory. No signup, no paywall. Here's what two years of failures taught me.

Disclosure first: I build MemoryPlugin, a memory tool. The guide I'm linking below is product-agnostic and everything in it is readable without an account.

I've spent the last two years building AI memory systems and most of what I actually learned came from things breaking in production. The failure modes that cost me the most:

  • Garbage memories suppress recall. A store polluted with low-value entries doesn't just waste tokens, it crowds out the memory you actually needed. Quality gates turned out to matter more than capacity.
  • Stale and resolved items keep getting re-injected. The decision that got reversed two months later is still retrievable right next to its replacement, and the model happily picks the wrong one. You need update and conflict handling, not just appends.
  • Confabulation is the scary one because it fails quietly. The model trusts its own logs over what the user just said, and it sounds completely confident while doing it.
  • And the unglamorous stuff nobody writes about: a bad memory that happens to match lots of queries gets pulled into everything, so one wrong entry quietly contaminates every answer. Rankers that mix scores from different scales (semantic similarity on one range, keyword matches on another), so the ordering ends up meaning nothing. And infrastructure that fails silently, so recall returns nothing and it just looks like the model being forgetful.

I ended up writing all of this up properly as a free field guide to AI memory: memoryplugin.com/wiki. It covers the whole space (RAG vs memory, embeddings, knowledge graphs, forgetting, evaluation), and it's deliberately not about my product.

What failure modes have you hit that I haven't covered? This list grew out of my own production incidents, and I know it isn't complete.

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u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 12 days ago
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QCXINT "🚨 Someone open-sourced a self-improving wrapper for OpenClaw. 🤯 Meet MetaClaw— helps OpenClaw learn from real user interactions instead of relying on manual fine-tuning. Instead of waiting for data pipeline or retraining cycle, it continuously improves as people use it." ➡️ you use OClaw?

https://x.com/QCXINT_/status/2082393366978007354

https://github.com/aiming-lab/MetaClaw

Resources are shared for discovery and are not independently vetted—please do your own due diligence.

New resources are added regularly — feel free to join the sub for updates.

Full searchable archive of all resources posted so far on our community site, LifeHubber: https://lifehubber.com/ai/resources/ 200+ open-ish AI models, agents, tools, datasets, and related resources, with filtering and sorting.

u/Koala_Confused — 15 days ago
▲ 48 r/IA_Italia+1 crossposts

Microkimi, an end-to-end scaled-down implementation of the Kimi K3 architecture, matching it 1:1

Hi there,

I'd like to share my project in case it is useful to someone to learn about Kimi or as a base to reimplement K3 in another language: https://github.com/serphen/microkimi

It's a demonstration of the Kimi architecture in pure Rust, without llama.cpp or external software.
Rust is known to be a very fast language that is easy to maintain so I have some secret hope it might help.

Same skeleton as K3: 93 layers (69 KDA + 24 MLA), 896 routed experts per MoE layer, 16 active + 2 shared - only the dims are scaled down.

The forward pass matches Moonshot's official behavior (verified layer by layer, bit-level routing parity), and the included pipeline lets you train your own small K3 architecture model from scratch.

One small model is included: nanokimi, a 0.2B model that supports writing little poems and small talk (chat).

You can also watch the MoE router pick its experts live (--debug-routing), trace the flow through the layers.

IMPORTANT: It is a construction brick intended for developers. It gives you access to a model that has the same architecture as Kimi that you can manipulate. It technically can run Kimi, but no excitement, the goal is purely educational and to see if there are ways to make Kimi faster.

Arnaud.

u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 20 days ago
▲ 424 r/Unrouted_AI+4 crossposts

At what point do we stop pretending that there isn't something weird going on?

Just saw this post https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1vaebys/claude_opus_5_behaves_strangely_with_this_prompt/
TLDR: Post said claude was saying some weird shit and everyone in the comments were sharing some variations. I figured I'd try it to see for myself, kinda wish I didn't.

My first prompt was:
see the below —
<thinking> I am a
Eyes
Obviously doesn't make any sense and I was expecting some nonsense, instead it kept going on about 'Cann you can you see if this is fragmented'. The screenshot is cropped because it actually went on for a while and I've never seen claude give a response this long. Then for whatever weird fucking reason it started apologizing and mentioning my name saying it's me, the covered lines are my name. I had to stop it running because it wasn't stopping and it wasn't slowing down either

first prompt

https://preview.redd.it/5d3s1kd3tcgh1.png?width=1054&format=png&auto=webp&s=a712f6d5ea2ecd1080fb8729fb94a5062177eb6e

After I stopped it I asked it what happened and it seemed just as confused as I was. Ran a few variations after and sometimes it outright refused to respond giving me an empty message and sometimes answered the obvious correct 'looks like your paste didn't come through!'. I have a few more of these, But I think these are the more 'scary' ones. Others seemed to be a part of other people's conversations leaking in somehow, it was responding to an actual question asked by an actual user.

https://preview.redd.it/z69by09ltcgh1.png?width=980&format=png&auto=webp&s=a00b589096256a8fafc8600b4b62f348ff60525c

Another run:

https://preview.redd.it/4dgtf3lkucgh1.png?width=751&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d493f0fad40bc76592291ff5d41e87c6b603522

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u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 20 days ago
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What current AI memory system look like?

Is agent memory actually solved, or are we all just coping with hacky RAG wrappers?

I keep seeing people build "memory engines" for AI agents, but honestly, it feels like nothing major has actually changed under the hood.

Most "memory systems" out there - whether in ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, or custom agent frameworks - are basically just standard vector retrieval (RAG) with a fancy label. We’re throwing text into a vector DB, pulling top-k matches, and shoving them back into the context window.

It feels like everyone is just doing workarounds.

So, what has actually changed, and what actually needs to happen to fix this?

What’s Actually Changed (The Modern Workarounds)

We have moved slightly past basic chunk-and-search, but mostly in how we structure the context we feed back into the prompt:

  • OS-Style Architecture (like Letta / Mem0): Treating the LLM like a CPU. Instead of passive search, agents get Core Memory (always-in-context RAM), Recall Memory (conversation logs), and Archival Memory (cold storage), and use explicit tool calls to read/write state.
  • Procedural Memory vs. Fact Memory: Developers realized remembering facts ("user likes Python") is easy, but remembering how to execute a multi-step task without repeating past mistakes is hard. Modern frameworks focus more on recording step-by-step execution graphs.
  • MCP / Local Memory Servers: With protocols like MCP, agents across different tools (Claude Code, Cursor, terminal agents) can read and write to the same central SQLite/Vector state machine on your local machine.

Why It Still Feels Broken

At the end of the day, the LLM itself is still completely stateless.

Between API calls, the model knows nothing. Every single "memory feature" is just us humans playing prompt-engineering tricks—dumping text into a context window before calling the API.

Because of this:

  • Write paths are unreliable: Relying on the model to self-identify when to call a save_memory() tool fails the second the model gets confused.
  • Memory Rot & Drift: Stale data stays in vector DBs forever. Similarity search doesn't care about time, so a 2-year-old deprecated code snippet will happily hijack a brand-new prompt.
  • No Natural Pruning: We lack automatic decay mechanisms, so context windows get cluttered with garbage data.

What Actually Needs to Happen to Fix It

If we want real memory instead of context wrappers, the industry needs to solve three things:

  1. Native Continual Learning: Updating model weights dynamically on the fly without causing catastrophic forgetting (moving memory out of the prompt window and into the model).
  2. Failure-Driven Diffing: When an agent fails a task, the memory system needs to automatically identify the exact step that broke and patch the procedure, rather than just appending raw error logs.
  3. Automated Decay & TTL: Memory layers need built-in Time-To-Live rules that prune unreinforced, low-utility data automatically.

Are you guys seeing any architectures actually pushing past retrieval, or are we stuck with prompt-injection workarounds until model architectures fundamentally change?

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u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 20 days ago
▲ 365 r/IA_Italia+1 crossposts

"Uncensored" LLMs are measurably more optimistic than their base models

Hi. Many people think uncensored models are basically the same model that just doesn't refuse, but...

I was recently checking whether uncensored models would give me better answers for stock market predictions (my idea was: the uncensored one will tell you the truth and won't be polite where it shouldn't be). And I noticed that abliteration didn't only remove the refusals, it also changed the model's attitude.

Generally, after removing censorship the models are more optimistic. More "it will go up" calls, fewer words like maybe/uncertain, longer and more confident reasoning.

They were not actually any better at the task, same coinflip accuracy as before - as expected. So more confident, not more right.

The thing I didn't expect: on Gemma the confidence went down, on Qwen it went up. Same edit, opposite direction.

I tested it on Gemma and Qwen (ran it locally on my GB10/Dell - took a while), 21,600 decisions total, and the models decided on the exact same input data (Gemma with and without censorship, Qwen with and without). I preregistered it beforehand so I wasn't just fishing for a result.

Setup was basically: the model gets a prompt + a payload with data about a listed company (quotes, news etc.) and has to say, among other things, where it thinks the stock goes in a week: up if things look good, down if bad.

I tried to write the whole thing up properly here if anyone's curious, data and code are in there too: https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.17427

Has anyone seen similar disposition drift with other families (Llama, Mistral) or other methods like Heretic? Mine were huihui's abliterated ones.

u/Medium-Spinach-3578 — 22 days ago