u/MuchPiezoelectricity

Why?

Im an illusory character seen and witnessed by a non illusory infinity. Go ahead and post your illusory questions below

You are the light of the world and everything in it.

Your light fills the works and shows the world what it means to be one with it.

You just use this time early my friend. Yes this time to heal your friends and your family relations

You must use this time to use your light to show others where there own light shines from in their own lives.

Their light shines forth from their true nature of the universal flow that dwells within each and every human being.

However, I have to make a post about how I need help to do so. So therefore… I need to help myself come back.

How?

Here’s the thing that I need your help with though..

How?

How do I take this and make myself available to others?

How do I reach as many as I can without simultaneously harming or inflicting myself upon others?

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Thank you for your questions and helpful advice. I was informed of a short sightedness that I knew not.

This forum is not for giving assistance as a topic on the forum. I can only do that in responses and comments.

I shall follow the rules

What do you need?

Please correct my understanding

All words only do one thing

They allude to…

They don’t conclude

All words do is bring us into (im going to coin a new term here) “allusions” not to be confused for “illusions”

They are closely related but there is a subtle difference

To claim something as an illusion is to deny it

To claim something as an “allusion” is simply to say it just draws and alludes to an idea being true, yet it never lands or “concludes” that it’s true

I know this will sound like dribble and word garbage. But curious if it holds any weight with anyone else?

Recently I went to go see the movie the oddysey

About 40 people were in the theatre,

And each one of them watched A DIFFERENT movie

How did that happen and how did I recognize that!?

I thought to myself, “this is a movie fraught with some of the deepest wisdom I’ve encountered yet.”

Another person saw a movie play out, where “how dare Helen of Troy be black, how dare a transgendered woman pretend to be a man” but this was only their thoughts they were watching

Another saw a movie that said “I want to grow up to be a film director too one day…. I can do better than this”. What they were watching was the thought and not the movie.

Another saw a movie that said “this is a crazy beautiful film, that cyclops is huuuugeee, it kind of looks like a giant Sméagol.” Again… a thought and not the movie

After the movie ended and I waited in line for the restroom, I heard a family talking to one another, grand parents father, and children.

They all stood together and asked
“What did you think of the movie?”

And one by one they answered

“It wasn’t what I thought it would be”

I’m sorry my loved ones.

It was ONLY. what you thought it would be.

Here is the place to be

Now is the time to be it

Don’t go too deep into there

You get the idea.

There is nowhere better than here

Quiet is not quiet

Silence is fullness of life.

Thinking is blindness of life

Don’t need to get pulled by it.

I have clutched on to the power of now for 10 years as if it has been my personal bible, and while I always felt I was getting close, it never sealed the coffin. It never brought me to where I ultimately am now.

Not because the teaching was bad, but because it was unclear. The words are written from the perspective of someone who is already living from this clarity. One who is not in clarity will read the same sentence and take away a different interpretation.

This is the failure point

Now that it has finally happened, I want to share with you a few pitfalls of “the power of now”

Much love to Eckhart for being a frontiersmen on this journey, without him conciousness would not have developed to where it has.

“You are not your thoughts” is an incorrect statement.

The issue with this is the word “you”

When Eckhart speaks of “you” he is referring to the spatial undefined awareness which perceives thoughts”

When you read the word “you” you instantly reference your egoic identity. Your identity based in thoughts. Therefore you begin a process of the “ego trying to break free of the thoughts that create it.

“I cannot live with myself any longer, maybe only one of them is real”

This is an incorrect statement from the level of the seeker.

“Both “I” and “myself” and the thought “I cannot live with myself” are all illusory and only based in thought.

There is no thought which can allow you to know the experience of being without thoughts.

You can only experience what you are in the absence of thoughts
Even thoughts that say “ this is what I am”

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to message me

Good luck
P.S. - it’s more beautiful than could ever be imagined

You are not thinking thoughts

You are reading scripts

Jesus did not die for our sins

He died because of them

And in that recognition is the only hope we have to understand.

There is something within us that kills those who tell us:

You are gods in forgetfulness. You are gods trapped. And the kingdom of heaven is inside you and has and always will be yours.

There is something within us that kills those who aim at setting the prisoner free. Setting us free.

We kill it, and we worship it, and then we paint it in gold, and wear gold crosses on our necks.

God, all of you. Gods wearing the symbol of the messenger of God on their own necks.
Worshipping the messenger, and killing each other for the right to do so.

Our sins are not what we know sin to be.

Our sins are simply this and only this.

An inability to see the truth. An inability to see past the veil of our minds enough, just enough, to not kill those who try to set us free. An Inability to Not worship an externality, and attack our own brothers and sisters with our worshipping.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do. Expressions of God murdering expressions of God.

We are one

My father and I And YOU

The ego is more or less not a thing any more, and thoughts are also completely seen through.

But it seems I’m not able to sleep more then a few hours before I wake up with a lot of energy,

Not sure if I should go along with it or try to sleep more even though I feel awake because I know being tired can really mess one up in regards to awakening experiences

Any tips?

Added edit: there seems to be a lot of (as Eckhart would put it) pain body manifestations from my having written here that the ego has gone. From this perspective what this appears like is a lot of individuals attempting to suppress the claim because somehow it is triggering within their own experience. It’s noticed that a type of resistance/pain to the suggestion that such a thing can take place is occurring frequently. If you fall into this category I invite you to bring awareness into whatever it is that is raising resistance to the suggestion that the illusion of this iteration of an ego is being witnessed actively

Holy shit!! The trees! The effing trees are absolutely amazing!

Here’s a contribution to the discussion:

Why is it that seeking doesn’t work when trying to become enlightened and why do we also insist on using seeking as the method?

In our normal day to day… seeking is how we do pretty much anything. If we want something… we set out to go get it, and then when we obtain said thing, we have a confirmation that the seeking is done. In other words… the transition from seeking to the cessation of seeking is the point at which us (the subject) is in perceptual possession of the item of desire (the object)

This is what we are trained to do and this is what we know how to do. But in the case of trying to seek for enlightenment or self realization this method cannot work because the roles are completely reverse.

The thing that is seeking is actually the object of awareness, and the thing the object is trying to find is the subject.

In other words… it’s like asking the gold nugget to somehow find the one who will pick it up. It’s a total dead end.

So let’s put this within another analogy:

The thing that the subject is trying to reach out and grab is actually itself. But it gets a little bit confused along the way.

It’s a lot like using your right hand to try and touch your right hand. At most all the hand can do is try to experience itself. So it tries to focus inward on what it’s like to be a right hand. Only the problem is. This right hand has a lot of shit stuck all over it. The hand is covered in tape, gum, tar, sand, and feathers. And yet it’s confused about why when it tries to experience itself as a bare hand … it can’t. And worse yet… the thing that wants to experience itself as the bare hand… is the tar on the hand and not the hand itself!

the experience just ends up getting nowhere and sometimes makes suffering worse.

In this analogy, the sticky things covering the hand are thoughts and identities and beliefs. All of these Coverings have altered the experience of being the bare naked right hand… and one of those coverings is even the belief that it must find something called enlightenment in order to be free of itself.

In other words… the bare right hand when covered with thoughts beliefs and misperceptions…. IS the subject of awareness trying to find its Object (the true self or experiential bare hand)

So what do we actually have to do?? How is a right hand supposed to reach out and grab hold of itself?

We remove all of the sticky tar coverings and beliefs and thoughts it’s holding onto until the hand is bare once more, and the experience of the bare hand returns. In its removal of stuck objects it also returns to itself which has no desire to seek anything.

What this means is… you don’t seek. Seeking makes you the object and not the subject that you are. AND! You don’t think. Thinking makes you the subject once again. AND! You don’t “I” … adding “I” thought and “I believe….” And “I’m struggling” are all just thoughts that put you back in as the object and not the subject over and over and over.

You drop everything. And “i” mean… everything,

Hope this jibberish helps

Can anyone advise me on how to get out of the spiral loops when it comes to thinking about thinking, or thoughts that arise about being aware of thoughts type of thing.

It feels like chasing my tail and also makes me feel like there’s no way of arriving at what it is I’m seeking for. Like it doesn’t even exist so why try, or that I’m just wasting my time believing that if I chase my tail hard enough some freedom from anxiety will happen. It’s actually giving me tons of anxiety.

I had a work accident which has put me on short term disability for a few months while I heal. I’ve been using this time as a boot camp to focus on improving my health and diving deep into meditation and clearing away the illusory thinker.

I’ve hit a new level in my life understanding and the deep stillness I can reach in meditation, and while it seems like I’m able to connect with the ineffable silence that feels more real than “I” do … it seems to come lately with a visitation of a late evening panic attack. I’ve had these type of episodes before (and they absolutely crippled me)… and they began after a cataclysmic awakening in 2019 which bought me a ticket to a 3 day psyche hold.

The weird thing is that these panic attacks start with intrusive thoughts like “what if I lose control of my mind and body?” “What if I tip into a psychosis?” And these thoughts start to intensify my physical sensations of panic….

But… this time it’s so different because that inner stillness is also simultaneously present, and it seems like I have a tool in my tool belt which allows the storm to just ride out and clear. There’s even the thought that “what if I can’t get out if this and end up permanently mental ill” and yet, there is a patient watcher that also just bides its stability. And then like magic in a few hours that intense panic can completely disappears as if the storm stops and I’m peaceful again and thinking thoughts like “ah I’m back in the saddle and have control of this horse, I’m so proud of myself” and all the physical manifestations flip 100% back to contentment and comfort. Whereas before a panic attack of this intensity would have me emotionally beaten and exhausted for weeks

Has anyone else encountered this? It’s like I’m not sure if this is a developmental stage that needs to be passed through or something else is going on, but it’s a bit wild and at times pretty intense.
Is shadow work and mind attacks a real thing? Does touching the peace somehow also mean a follow up refractory mental attack?

A fish that swims against the river comes to know the river

A fish that flows with the river becomes it.

This pointing emphasizes the barrier of “knowing” as an act in opposition to what life is presenting.

And how is it we come to know a “thing?”

We come to know it with thoughts, “knowing” only exists within the framework of thoughts.

Without the projection of words and language against the backdrop of unified perceiving, there is no separation that occurs which allows for a thing to be known.

Only pure unfiltered experience