u/MudOld239

After the war a lot of them started to speak mainly Ukrainian. How did it affect the language?

The thread goes from arguing over evacuation policy to debating whether dead civilians are propaganda, collateral damage, or evidence of Western hypocrisy—with accusations of apologism and personal insults thrown in along the way.

A post showing the aftermath of an incident in Kramatorsk sparks an argument over civilian evacuations, responsibility for deaths, and whether Ukraine is keeping people in danger for PR reasons.

One commenter questions why civilians are still in the city:

>Awful. Kramatorsk should have been evacuated months ago. What are these people still doing there?

Another argues that Ukraine has a propaganda incentive not to evacuate:

>Evacuating Sloviansk and Kramatorsk would contradict the propaganda bit that Ukraine is winning the war. These people were sacrifised for PR reasons.

The discussion turns to whether the victims were civilians or military personnel. One commenter predicts the response:

>People here gonna say they wearing military uniforms

Another replies:

>Others called them civilians. Guess we will never knows.

A different commenter argues that the attack was probably accidental:

>It's obviously unintentional, you would never a target a bus in the middle of the road with a weapon like this, the sheer timing+precision+luck involved would be next-level. It's just collateral damage, which is always sad to see, but is inevitable in any major war.

Another commenter asks whether a frontline city should stop being attacked if its residents refuse to evacuate:

>What do you actually do when a large portion of the civilian population of a frontline city refuses to evacuate? Do you stop attacking completely? Do you continue and accept the loss of civilian lives?

The argument then shifts to Western hypocrisy over civilian casualties. One commenter brings up the Middle East:

>and no one in the west gave a shit when the middle east got turned into a mass grave either. only once they got told by the media to do so in the case of UA.

A reply asks why Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place, prompting a response accusing the commenter of performative moral outrage:

>nobody did that here. you are just over the top dramatic because you want to present yourself as the "good western Samaritan"

Another commenter suggests that Ukraine deliberately keeps civilians in danger as human shields:

>does anyone have the quote to zelensky saying that if they evacuate a city it becomes easier to capture cause russia doesnt have to avoid civilians? Basically forcing these people to stay there to be used as some kind of shield. This whole war is just horrible. Nasty screw up here on russia's part too.

The response:

>Classic Putin apogologist – straight up inventing theories without any evidence

The thread also features a particularly callous description of the victims as an example of weapon effectiveness:

>Seems to be proof that fabs are very effective at deleting people in a large radius. Unfortunately this time it was civilians.

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