The 'Revenge Game' Myth: What 11 years of fantasy data says about players facing their former teams

The 'Revenge Game' Myth: What 11 years of fantasy data says about players facing their former teams

QBs weren’t as revengeful as the skill players, but when they were, their fantasy numbers averaged nearly seven points above their seasonal average output, which could be the difference maker in your weekly matchups.

When it came to positional players, just under half of those studied over the last 11 seasons scored more fantasy points against their former employers than their average in that given season.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 18 hours ago

Seahawks RB Zach Charbonnet placed PUP list (reminder - players on the PUP list are eligible to return to practice at any point during camp)

With training camps starting to open up later this week a reminder - there will be news about players going on PUP. Right now it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Players on the PUP list are eligible to return to practice at any point during camp.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 3 days ago

We've updated subreddit rules with a policy on Gen AI content, updates to Rule 1, self promotion, and tools/resources shared on the subreddit.

While the r/fantasyfootball rules and self-promotion guidelines have had a tweak here and there over the years, it's been too long since we did a wholesale review and update. But now we have.

You can find our updated rules across all forms of Reddit (if you see something not updated, please let us know). All new subscribers receive a welcome message outlining key rules. In short, if you're participating in the community, we expect you've read and understand the rules.

A brief overview of the changes:

  • Rule 1, Rule 3, and Rule 5 are still the "holy trinity" of the community. Those are areas we see the most violations, and we want to ensure expectations are clear so the community can continue being the largest, best space on the internet for talking ball
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Starting this week we'll have recurring posts highlighting some of the key rules. If you're here in July, it means you're likely a regular and will see these posts several times. We appreciate your patience - in the coming weeks traffic will explode and new users will be streaming in. We want to make sure this place remains the best spot for fantasy football discussion on the web, and the guidelines allow us to do so.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 4 days ago
▲ 7 r/BestBall+1 crossposts

Justin Herzig of Establish the Run and ffin60, one of the top best ball analysts + players in the world, will stop by next Thursday 7/30 for an AMA!

Justin Herzig runs the https://ffin60.com/ newsletter and is a best ball analyst for Establish the Run.

Rolling Stone called him the best fantasy football player in the world (I know, you won your competitive work league and you're actually the best).

Next week he'll stop by r/fantasyfootball for an AMA on best ball strategy this season, player values, and anything else on your mind. Look for the AMA around 1 p.m. Eastern.

This is not the AMA post. And more AMA news is just around the corner ...

u/My_Chat_Account — 4 days ago

Eric Froton of Yahoo Fantasy will be joining r/fantasyfootball next week for a college fantasy football AMA. Drop in Tuesday, July 28 to learn about the game and get strategy insights from the best in the biz

I imagine dynasty / college football overlap might be strong so hopefully this interests some of you.

Eric Froton is a three-time college sports writer of the year and is a college fantasy analyst at Yahoo! Sports.

With college fantasy football back on a major platform for the first time in years, seems like a good chance to get one of the biggest names in the game to answer questions on strategy, players to target, and more.

Froton's AMA will be live next Tuesday, July 28, with a start time of approx 1 p.m. Eastern on /r/fantasyfootball.

Appreciate the mods here supporting this. The Reddit community reputation is very strong, and we'll announcing more great AMA news in the next couple weeks!

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u/My_Chat_Account — 5 days ago

Eric Froton of Yahoo Fantasy will be joining r/fantasyfootball next week for a college fantasy football AMA. Drop in Tuesday, July 28 to learn about the game and get strategy insights from the best in the biz

Eric Froton is a three-time college sports writer of the year and is a college fantasy analyst at Yahoo! Sports.

With college fantasy football back on a major platform for the first time in years, seems like a good chance to get one of the biggest names in the game to answer questions on strategy, players to target, and more.

This is not the AMA post. Froton's AMA will be live next Tuesday, July 28, with a start time of approx 1 p.m. Eastern.

More AMA news will be announced this week and the AMAugust unveiling is just around the corner.

u/My_Chat_Account — 5 days ago

A tale of positive regression and collegial disrespect - Why Zay Flowers and Lamar Jackson are set to feast this season

There's nothing curious about this case. Zay Flowers especially has been an offseason hype darling. While we haven't seen his ceiling yet (topped 15 PPR points only four times last year in weeks 1-17), his YPRR and target rate on routes have been incredibly strong. But volume has been a sticking point. And history + math tell us that's about to change.

Baltimore only averaged 24.8 pass attempts per game last year. That's the second fewest of any team over the last decade. Luckily, teams that run the ball as much as Baltimore did last season don't tend to do it again.

According to analysis by John Daigle of Establish the Run, six teams in the past 10 years have averaged fewer than 27 pass attempts per game. Each one threw more the next year by a good amount (+6.1 attempts/game on average).

  • The 2018 Seahawks went from 26.7 to 32.3 attempts (+ 5.6)
  • The 2020 Ravens went from 25.4 to 36.2 attempts (+ 10.8)
  • The 2022 Bears went from 21.9 to 30.2 attempts (+ 8.3)
  • The 2022 Falcons went from 24.1 to 31.2 attempts (+ 7.1)
  • The 2022 Titans went from 26.7 to 29.1 attempts (+ 2.4)
  • The 2024 Eagles went from 26.4 to 29.2 attempts (+ 2.8)

If the Ravens regress to their recent baseline (they've averaged 27.8, 29.1, and 28.1 attempts per game between 2022 and 2024) we've seen it trnslate to fantasy success. Lamar was the fantasy QB6, QB3, and QB1 in PPG in those years (more on him in a minute).

Over a 17-game fantsy season an extra 5 or 6 passes per game give a nice boost to Flowers (and Mark Andrews, don't sleep on him). With Flowers' already elite target share, that extra volume can boost him into the top tier of fantasy wideouts. Especially if Declan Doyle adds more motion to the offense, letting Flowers thrive on explosive plays.

But don't buy Flowers alone. Stack him with Lamar Jackson, who's back in a familiar disrespect cycle that we know the ending to. The NFL Top 100 list is being unveiled, and Lamar sits way down at a (not) nice #69. The two previous times Lamar was outside the top 50, he didn't just come back strong - he won the NFL MVP. Once he finished as fantasy QB1, the second he was QB4 total / QB3 in PPG.

Don't overthink it. Invest in the Baltimore offense, and start planning your January celebration.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 10 days ago

Top-drafted WRs have played more games than top-drafted RBs in 8 of the past 11 seasons. But RBs have stayed healthier during each of the past two years in a row.

Data via Ryan Heath, Fantasy Points.

Is this year a "regression to the mean" situation where we should be targeting WR hard (particularly in 3WR, PPR formats)? Or is the play to still go hero/heavy RB and cross our fingers that we're just in an age of RB health?

u/My_Chat_Account — 11 days ago

What should our focus be for Dalton Kincaid in 2026: his historic efficiency or concerning volume?

Bills TE Dalton Kincaid has been a frustrating fantasy player, which isn't news if you've had him at any point in his three-year career. He's yet to top 700 yards receiving despite playing 12+ games each season. As a first-round NFL pick in a time we're seeing TE break out sooner ... that's concerning.

But Brandon Gdula recently highlighted in the Late-Round Newsletter some fantastic per-route efficiency. Does his underlying data make him a strong value at TE this year?

Kincaid led all TE in fantasy points per route this season (minimum 175 routes). Looking at the past decade, Kincaid's year was one of the most efficient TE seasons we've seen!

Highest PPR points per route, season (since 2016, min. 175 routes)

  1. Mark Andrews (2019): 0.77
  2. George Kittle (2019): 0.69
  3. Dalton Kincaid (2025): 0.63

2025 wasn't an outlier. Looking at career averages, Gdula notes Kincaid ranks 8th among TE since 2016 (min. 750 routes). And this is an impressive list to be on.

Player Career PPR Points Per Route
Mark Andrews 0.53
George Kittle 0.53
Travis Kelce 0.47
Brock Bowers 0.46
Rob Gronkowski 0.45
Darren Waller 0.44
Sam LaPorta 0.44
Dalton Kincaid 0.44
Jordan Reed 0.43
Trey McBride 0.43

You're screaming at me already - we don't get points in fantasy football on a per-route basis. And there's the problem - Kincaid's average snap rate last year was a paltry 37.5%. Is Kincaid's 2024 torn PCL an injury that bothered him throughout 2025 and impacted his availability in games?

Kincaid can handle a high-volume role when healthy - he's had several games in his career with a 75%+ snap rate. And last year it seems that Kincaid maximized his time on the field, according to PFF charting data.

  • 14.6 Yards Per Reception (Ranked 1st among all qualified TEs)
  • 2.70 Yards Per Route Run
  • 81.9 Overall PFF Grade (Ranked 3rd among TEs)
  • 149.2 Passer Rating When Targeted (Ranked 1st)

If he's fully healthy and can maintain his efficiency in Buffalo's high-powered offense, his TE10 ADP price tag could be one of the biggest values we find. An overall TE1 or TE2 season isn't out of reach if things fall the right way.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 16 days ago

History shows fantasy RBs rarely survive bad teams. (This is a De'Von Achane and Jeremiyah Love post.)

Avoid RB on terrible teams! You've heard your favorite fantasy analyst say that, and deep down you know it's true. An offense stalls, a team is in negative game scripts, and rushing value dries up.

But we all probably think we can point to exceptions every year. Data shows there are fewer exceptions than you might think.

Dwain McFarland of Fantasy Life dove into the numbers and found that from 2016 to 2025, only three fantasy RB managed to top 15+ PPG while playing on teams that won fewer than five games.

Player Team/Season Snap Share Target Share PPG
Christian McCaffrey 2019 Panthers 93 24 22.2
Saquon Barkley 2018 Giants 83 21 18.4
Melvin Gordon III 2016 Chargers 75 10 16.1

That's it. That's the list.

To be a fantasy stud in a dumpster fire of a team environment, these three leveraged a near monopoly of a backfield (75-90% snap share). CMC and Barkley had elite target shares that protected them from bad game scripts. Meanwhile Gordon had a strong workload with tremendous goalline touches that offset his lower target share.

According to Vegas projected win totals - two teams are projected for fewer than 5 wins this season.

1. De’Von Achane (Miami Dolphins, 4.5 Projected Wins)

Achane certainly has the path to be the 4th on the list above - he's explosive and has a massive role in the passing game which gives him runway to return elite fantasy value regardless of how bad the Fish stink.

2. Jeremiyah Love (Arizona Cardinals, 4.5 Projected Wins)

Here the backfield split is a bit less known, including Love's role in the passing game, so Love could have his ceiling capped. Betting heavily on talent has burned us in the past in this kind of team environment.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 17 days ago

Are there any reliable sellers for a variety of international soccer jerseys?

I was a longtime Jenna customer - loved being able to browse NBA throwbacks from different teams and amass a bit of a collection.

DHGate has seemed a little tougher to navigate, as have soccer jerseys in general. And it's hard to discern on this subreddit who is shilling for their own seller vs who has a good selection, good quality, and some level of rep.

Are there any reputable sources for soccer jerseys? I of course know asking this is just opening the door to people shilling their own stuff ...

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u/My_Chat_Account — 18 days ago

"Mobile QBs hurt pass-catching RBs" - a half-true statement for the wrong reasons

"Mobile QB won't target RB in the pass game" is one of those statements that gets passed around draft season that we just take as truth. Just like "fade rookie TE" or "target 3rd year WR" - it sounds right, we can craft a mental narrative around it or maybe we heard it on a podcast once, but there's often very little backing presented. After all - if a play breaks down, a mobile QB is going to take off running rather than wasting time with a checkdown to a RB in the flat. Right? Sort of.

Jared Smola of Draft Sharks looked at data covering 2021-2025 seasons, and this overall narrative has a ton of nuance, and that we're likely looking at the wrong metric.

Smola looked at the correlation between QB rushing attempts and RB target share by season. Correlation of negative one means a perfect opposite relationship, and 0 means absolutely no relationship at all.

Season Correlation Coefficient for Target Share
2021 -0.26
2022 -0.12
2023 0.06
2024 -0.12
2025 -0.33
Overall -0.15

That overall correlation means almost no relationship at all. A running QB does not automatically dry up the target percentage for the RB.

Looking at QB scrambles instead of total rushes makes the relationship even weaker. The correlation across all five seasons between quarterback scrambles and running back target share is -0.06 - aka statistical noise.

To look at this from a volume perspective, Smola bucketed teams by quarterback rushing attempts to see how much the average running back target share actually changes.

QB Rush Attempts Avg. RB Target Share
0-40 rushes 18.6%
41-80 rushes 17.8%
80+ rushes 17.3%

Here we see a slight downward trend, but only 1.3% from the lowest rushing QB to the heaviest ones (this has nothing to do with Jared Lorenzen, tho). Smola saw the same general flat trend bucketing by scrmables - where QB with 41+ scrambles yielded a 17% target share, compared to 17.9% for QB with fewer than 20 scrambles.

Of course, target share only tells part of the story. So Smola looked at raw target volume as well. And here the relationship starts to emerge.

The correlation between quarterback rushing attempts and total RB targets over the same season comes out to -0.30. For QB scrambles versus total running back targets, the correlation is -0.20. While these are still not massive, overwhelming relationships, they are noticeably stronger than what we saw with target share.

QB Rush Attempts Avg. Total RB targets
0-40 96.9
41-80 92.2
80+ 81.2

Teams with the most QB rushing attempts saw about 16 fewer total running back targets.

So that adage is half right. Mobile QB don't reduce a RB target share, or refuse to check down. However offenses who have running QB likely throw fewer passes overall, so the pie is smaller for RB to take a slice from.

Don't fade elite RB because their QB can run. Don't use a broad brush to paint all mobile QBs. But knowing overall play tendency and projected passing volume can give us a better sense on who to target and who may be overvalued.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 18 days ago

Josh Jacobs is a massive value right now based on the likely legal path forward around his off-field issues

Before his late May arrest, Josh Jacobs was a 2nd/3rd round pick in best ball drafts. Lately he's been routinely falling to the 5th. Fantasy analyst and practicing attorney Drew Davenport said recently on Late Round Perspectives that the off-the-field issues are serious, but he believes there's a very high probability Jacobs plays the full season for the Packers this year.

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I am not a lawyer; Davenport is. This post is just a recap of the details Davenport shared.

Obviously many managers don't want to deal with this headache for many reasons, and that's totally your call. The game is supposed to be fun, and for some folks it's not fun to need to cheer for people who allegedly do shitty things.

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Wisconsin has a "mandatory arrest" policy. Jacobs was booked and quickly released without formal charges. Many stats have mandatory arrest laws that apply at the exact time of an incident to separate parties, but in Wisconsin police have up to 28 days to execute a mandatory arrest after a domestic complaint is made.

Because a neighbor called police regarding the disturbance, law enforcement was required to make an arrest once probable cause was established. The DA has a higher standard of proof and wasn't ready to do so, so Jacobs was immediately released.

The delay favors Jacobs. Right now the DA is likely taking time to review the case. The longer this drags out, the more likely it is that prosecutors lack a provable case or the victim doesn't choose to move forward. That could suggest that the defense has "exculpatory information" that's making the state wonder if they can prove the case in court.

Davenport outlined two paths forward, both have Jacobs on the field this season.

If charges are declined, the NFL may issue a fine but Jacobs should avoid a suspension.

If charges are filed, Jacobs' defense team can push proceedings into the 2027 offseason. The NFL has historically let legal processes play out before handing out personal conduct suspensions.

Looking strictly at value, the Jacobs discount is an opportunity for those willing to jump that real-life legal issue / fantasy football hurdle. Jacobs is the undisputed lead back in a strong offense. He had 13 TD last year and a track record of performance, and right now he's at a 2+ round discount due to legal uncertainty.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 21 days ago

Why the Taylor/Travis Love Story could have you saying “I Do” to Kelce in your fantasy lineup this year

Based on the title you think there will be a Blank Space where actually analysis should be but I promise that’s not my End Game.

Taylor Swift is a boost for Travis Kelce’s fantasy production over the past three seasons.

Metric With Swift In Attendance Without Swift In Attendance
Receptions/Game 6.8 5.7
Receiving Yards/Game 76.3 48.2
PPR Points/Game 14.43 10.52
Target Share 24.1% 19.8%

Swift’s presence correlates with an additional 3.9 PPR points per game. With the state of the TE position this year, that production boost needs to be considered; don’t just Shake it Off.

There’s another layer to consider here though - Taylor mostly attends Chiefs’ home games. So Kelce is a better target in best ball or DFS when we can really take advantage of the bump. Don’t overpay for him in home leagues because of the hype or else you’ll have a Cruel Summer.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 21 days ago

Parker Washington is Liam Coen's latest slot WR fantasy cheat code

The way Liam Coen utilizes slot WR is one of the most consistent volume funnels in football. Credit Ryan Heath of FantasyPoints for the data here:

  • 2021 (Kentucky): Wan'Dale Robinson — 102.6 receiving YPG
  • 2022 (LA Rams): Cooper Kupp — 22.4 FPG (~WR1)
  • 2024 (Tampa Bay): Chris Godwin — 19.7 FPG (~WR2)
  • 2025 (Jacksonville): Parker Washington — 17.5 FPG (8 healthy post-bye games, including playoffs)

Coen comes from Sean McVay's coaching tree so it's no surprise the love of the "power slot". Coen has had this same philosophy in all his offenses - NFL or college. His system isolates the slot in the middle of the field on high-percentage, schemed throws.

Enter (again) Parker Washington.

During Coen's first year as the Jaguars' head coach, once Christian Kirk was traded to Houston, Parker Washington completely locked down the slot role in Jacksonville. He finished the year with a team-best 58 receptions for 847 yards and 5 touchdowns - and most importantly for us, 17.5 FPG.

DraftSharks ADP data has Washington off the board at the top of the 7th (late 6th in best ball). Feels like an absolute smash at that point, and probably someone we should leave virtually every draft with.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 23 days ago

Theo Gremminger and Ian Hartitz have both joined RotoWire for the upcoming season

Theo announced his departure from FantasyPoints a week ago. Ian's departure from FantasyLife was announced today.

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u/My_Chat_Account — 24 days ago

If I told you in advance that drafting a specific player gave you a 60% chance of making the fantasy playoffs, where would you draft him?

ESPN managers who've drafted Josh Allen have made the playoffs at basically a 60% rate over the past 4 seasons (data via Dwain McFarland, Fantasy Life)

2025: 58%
2024: 58%
2023: 62%
2022: 59%

This is based on 10-team leagues w/ 4 playoff teams - so any drafted player essentially has a 40% chance

I know the mantra is "wait on QB", but that also requires you picking the correct late-round QB (or being the first to grab the waiver wire golden boy) to truly take advantage. Remember just 12 months ago when Justin Fields was the hot late-round QB we were all going to grab to win our leagues?

Allen enters this season as the all-time NFL leader in career fantasy points per game (22.1 PPG) and has never finished below QB2 overall. Even with the opportunity cost of being drafted in the top 30 overall, his consistency, high floor+ceiling, and ultimately the fantasy playoff rate show he's worth it.

This year his ADP sits in early round 3 in a 10-teamer. You biting?

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u/My_Chat_Account — 30 days ago