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How Jon's status and personality would change in AU where Jon [supposedly] is son of Ned and Ashara and has a twin sister? Probably he is more proud, as he knows both his parents are highborn, and he and his sister are very protective of each other.

I specifically ask about alternative conversation with Tyrion. Would it go completely differently? I think Jon and his sister wouldn't be able to hear his advice, only an insult to their sibling.

What do you think about the version which I wrote?

***

Accompanied by the wolf cubs they crossed the deserted yard, climbed the steps to the tall doors of the great hall and suddenly noticed a person, sitting on the railing to the side of the entrance, in the shadow.

It was the Imp, an ugly dwarf, about four feet tall, with a large head of strange shape, with an especially bulging forehead, his hair was light mixed with black, and eyes of different colors — green, and black looked at them with interest.

— Good evening, my lord Lannister, are you tired of the feast? his sister greeted him politely.

— It is too hot there, too noisy, and I have already drunk too much wine, — the dwarf said. — I long ago understood that vomiting on one’s own brother is impolite. — do you know who I am?

— You are the queen’s brother. — Jon answered

— Yes, my greatest achievement, I should remind her of that more often. — he smirked sarcastically. You are Jon Snow, and this beautiful lady is your twin, you are Ned Stark’s bastards, are you not?

Jon flinched at the unexpected rudeness and felt a chill run through him. No one except Theon Greyjoy, and the king today, had called them that to their face. He clenched his teeth and frowned, and took Dyanna by the hand, saying nothing. She was silent as well.

— Did I offend you? — Lannister asked. — Forgive me, dwarfs are not required to observe tact. Generations of fools and jesters give me the right to dress badly and say whatever comes to mind. — He grinned. — But you are bastards.

— Lord Eddard Stark is our father, — Jon admitted stiffly. Lannister looked him in the face.

— But Lady Stark is not your mother.

— Our mother is lady Ashara Dayne! — his sister declared proudly.

— What a pity that your noble parents never married. — he continued mockingly — Allow me to give you some advice, bastards, — Lannister said. — Never forget what you are, for the world will certainly not forget. Make your origin your strength. Wear it like armor, and then no one will be able to hurt you.

Jon was in no mood for advice. He could have sent the Imp to the ground with one blow, as he would have done with Greyjoy, but unfortunately attacking a guest, especially one from the royal family, was unacceptable. Dyanna’s hand squeezed his in comfort.

— Are these animals called wolves? — as if nothing had happened the dwarf continued, as though he had not just insulted them.

— Direwolves.

The gray and white pups came closer, Ghost nudged Jon’s free hand with his nose, watching Tyrion Lannister carefully with a cautious eye.

— May I pet them? — the dwarf asked and already reached out his hand to Star, but quickly pulled it back when she bared her fangs with a growl.

— You should not, if we were not here, they would tear off your hand and rip out your throat — Jon said. For now things were not quite like that, but everything was still ahead ...

— If you want to pet someone, my lord, — then there is a kennel in the castle — Dyanna said.

— And there you may also give your advice to the dogs — Jon concluded.

No longer paying attention to their rude guest, he turned away, pushed the door open and pulled his sister into the hall, toward the light, music and delicious smells.

— Be carefull, I might find the conversation there far more stimulating — the dwarf kept mocking as they walked away — the dogs are not so easily offended, especially by the simple truth.

— Father is absolutely right not to like the Lannisters, — Jon said.

Dyanna nodded and hummed in agreement.

— But we must not let such people spoil our evening, — she replied, though she did not sound as carefree as she wanted to seem, and her hand trembled slightly and was cold.

Jon hoped that the rest of the feast would fix that.

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Do reactions feel valid? Do Tyrion and Jon feel in character? Who is to blame for the falling out? Does it work as a foreshadowong for future rivalry in the wot5k?

What do you think of alternate first interaction between Tyrion and Jon, i

How Jon's status and personality would change in AU where Jon [supposedly] is son of Ned and Ashara and has a twin sister? Probably he is more proud, as he knows both his parents are highborn, and he and his sister are very protective of each other.

I specifically ask about alternative conversation with Tyrion. Would it go completely differently? I think Jon and his sister wouldn't be able to hear his advice, only an insult to their sibling. What do you think about the version which I wrote?

***

Accompanied by the wolf cubs they crossed the deserted yard, climbed the steps to the tall doors of the great hall and suddenly noticed a person, sitting on the railing to the side of the entrance, in the shadow.

It was the Imp, an ugly dwarf, about four feet tall, with a large head of strange shape, with an especially bulging forehead, his hair was light mixed with black, and eyes of different colors — green, and black looked at them with interest.

— Good evening, my lord Lannister, are you tired of the feast? his sister greeted him politely.

— It is too hot there, too noisy, and I have already drunk too much wine, — the dwarf said. — I long ago understood that vomiting on one’s own brother is impolite. — do you know who I am?

— You are the queen’s brother. — Jon answered

— Yes, my greatest achievement, I should remind her of that more often. — he smirked sarcastically. You are Jon Snow, and this beautiful lady is your twin, you are Ned Stark’s bastards, are you not?

Jon flinched at the unexpected rudeness and felt a chill run through him. No one except Theon Greyjoy, and the king today, had called them that to their face. He clenched his teeth and frowned, and took Dyanna by the hand, saying nothing. She was silent as well.

— Did I offend you? — Lannister asked. — Forgive me, dwarfs are not required to observe tact. Generations of fools and jesters give me the right to dress badly and say whatever comes to mind. — He grinned. — But you are bastards.

— Lord Eddard Stark is our father, — Jon admitted stiffly. Lannister looked him in the face.

— But Lady Stark is not your mother.

— Our mother is lady Ashara Dayne! — his sister declared proudly.

— What a pity that your noble parents never married. — he continued mockingly — Allow me to give you some advice, bastards, — Lannister said. — Never forget what you are, for the world will certainly not forget. Make your origin your strength. Wear it like armor, and then no one will be able to hurt you.

Jon was in no mood for advice. He could have sent the Imp to the ground with one blow, as he would have done with Greyjoy, but unfortunately attacking a guest, especially one from the royal family, was unacceptable. Dyanna’s hand squeezed his in comfort.

— Are these animals called wolves? — as if nothing had happened the dwarf continued, as though he had not just insulted them.

— Direwolves.

The gray and white pups came closer, Ghost nudged Jon’s free hand with his nose, watching Tyrion Lannister carefully with a cautious eye.

— May I pet them? — the dwarf asked and already reached out his hand to Star, but quickly pulled it back when she bared her fangs with a growl.

— You should not, if we were not here, they would tear off your hand and rip out your throat — Jon said. For now things were not quite like that, but everything was still ahead ...

— If you want to pet someone, my lord, — then there is a kennel in the castle — Dyanna said.

— And there you may also give your advice to the dogs — Jon concluded.

No longer paying attention to their rude guest, he turned away, pushed the door open and pulled his sister into the hall, toward the light, music and delicious smells.

— Be carefull, I might find the conversation there far more stimulating — the dwarf kept mocking as they walked away — the dogs are not so easily offended, especially by the simple truth.

— Father is absolutely right not to like the Lannisters, — Jon said.

Dyanna nodded and hummed in agreement.

— But we must not let such people spoil our evening, — she replied, though she did not sound as carefree as she wanted to seem, and her hand trembled slightly and was cold.

Jon hoped that the rest of the feast would fix that.

***

Do reactions feel valid? Do Tyrion and Jon feel in character? Does it work as a foreshadowong for future rivalry in the wot5k?

What do you think of alternate first interaction between Tyrion and Jon, in AU where Jon [supposedly] is son of Ned and Ashara and has a twin sister?

Jon is more proud, as he knows both his parents are highborn, and he and his sister are protective of each other. I think their conversation with Tyrion would go completly different, and they wouldn't be able to hear his advice, only an insult.

***

Accompanied by the wolf cubs they crossed the deserted yard, climbed the steps to the tall doors of the great hall and suddenly noticed a person, sitting on the railing to the side of the entrance, in the shadow.

It was the Imp, an ugly dwarf, about four feet tall, with a large head of strange shape, with an especially bulging forehead, his hair was light mixed with black, and eyes of different colors — green, and black looked at them with interest.

— Good evening, my lord Lannister, are you tired of the feast? his sister greeted him politely.

— It is too hot there, too noisy, and I have already drunk too much wine, — the dwarf said. — I long ago understood that vomiting on one’s own brother is impolite. — do you know who I am?

— You are the queen’s brother. — Jon answered

— Yes, my greatest achievement, I should remind her of that more often. — he smirked sarcastically. You are Jon Snow, and this beautiful lady is your twin, you are Ned Stark’s bastards, are you not?

Jon flinched at the unexpected rudeness and felt a chill run through him. No one except Theon Greyjoy, and the king today, had called them that to their face. He clenched his teeth and frowned, and took Dyanna by the hand, saying nothing. She was silent as well.

— Did I offend you? — Lannister asked. — Forgive me, dwarfs are not required to observe tact. Generations of fools and jesters give me the right to dress badly and say whatever comes to mind. — He grinned. — But you are bastards.

— Lord Eddard Stark is our father, — Jon admitted stiffly. Lannister looked him in the face.

— But Lady Stark is not your mother.

— Our mother is lady Ashara Dayne! — his sister declared proudly.

— What a pity that your noble parents never married. — he continued mockingly — Allow me to give you some advice, bastards, — Lannister said. — Never forget what you are, for the world will certainly not forget. Make your origin your strength. Wear it like armor, and then no one will be able to hurt you.

Jon was in no mood for advice. He could have sent the Imp to the ground with one blow, as he would have done with Greyjoy, but unfortunately attacking a guest, especially one from the royal family, was unacceptable. Dyanna’s hand squeezed his in comfort.

— Are these animals called wolves? — as if nothing had happened the dwarf continued, as though he had not just insulted them.

— Direwolves.

The gray and white pups came closer, Ghost nudged Jon’s free hand with his nose, watching Tyrion Lannister carefully with a cautious eye.

— May I pet them? — the dwarf asked and already reached out his hand to Star, but quickly pulled it back when she bared her fangs with a growl.

— You should not, if we were not here, they would tear off your hand and rip out your throat — Jon said. For now things were not quite like that, but everything was still ahead ...

— If you want to pet someone, my lord, — then there is a kennel in the castle — Dyanna said.

— And there you may also give your advice to the dogs — Jon concluded.

No longer paying attention to their rude guest, he turned away, pushed the door open and pulled his sister into the hall, toward the light, music and delicious smells.

— Be carefull, I might find the conversation there far more stimulating — the dwarf kept mocking as they walked away — the dogs are not so easily offended, especially by the simple truth.

— Father is absolutely right not to like the Lannisters, — Jon said.

Dyanna nodded and hummed in agreement.

— But we must not let such people spoil our evening, — she replied, though she did not sound as carefree as she wanted to seem, and her hand trembled slightly and was cold.

Jon hoped that the rest of the feast would fix that.

***

Do reactions feel valid? Do Tyrion and Jon feel in character? Does it work as a foreshadowong for future rivalry in the wot5k?

What do you think of alternate first interaction between Tyrion and Jon, in AU where Jon [supposedly] is son of Ned and Ashara and has a twin sister?

Do reactions feel valid? Do Tyrion and Jon feel in character? Does it work as a setup for future rivalry in the wot5k?

Accompanied by the wolf cubs they crossed the deserted yard, climbed the steps to the tall doors of the great hall and suddenly noticed a person, sitting on the railing to the side of the entrance, in the shadow.

It was the Imp, an ugly dwarf, about four feet tall, with a large head of strange shape, with an especially bulging forehead, his hair was light mixed with black, and eyes of different colors — green, and black looked at them with interest.

— Good evening, my lord Lannister, are you tired of the feast? his sister greeted him politely.

— It is too hot there, too noisy, and I have already drunk too much wine, — the dwarf said. — I long ago understood that vomiting on one’s own brother is impolite. — do you know who I am?

— You are the queen’s brother. — Jon answered

— Yes, my greatest achievement, I should remind her of that more often. — he smirked sarcastically. You are Jon Snow, and this beautiful lady is your twin, you are Ned Stark’s bastards, are you not?

Jon flinched at the unexpected rudeness and felt a chill run through him. No one except Theon Greyjoy, and the king today, had called them that to their face. He clenched his teeth and frowned, and took Dyanna by the hand, saying nothing. She was silent as well.

— Did I offend you? — Lannister asked. — Forgive me, dwarfs are not required to observe tact. Generations of fools and jesters give me the right to dress badly and say whatever comes to mind. — He grinned. — But you are bastards.

— Lord Eddard Stark is our father, — Jon admitted stiffly. Lannister looked him in the face.

— But Lady Stark is not your mother.

— Our mother is lady Ashara Dayne! — his sister declared proudly.

— What a pity that your noble parents never married. — he continued mockingly — Allow me to give you some advice, bastards, — Lannister said. — Never forget what you are, for the world will certainly not forget. Make your origin your strength. Wear it like armor, and then no one will be able to hurt you.

Jon was in no mood for advice. He could have sent the Imp to the ground with one blow, as he would have done with Greyjoy, but unfortunately attacking a guest, especially one from the royal family, was unacceptable. Dyanna’s hand squeezed his in comfort.

— Are these animals called wolves? — as if nothing had happened the dwarf continued, as though he had not just insulted them.

— Direwolves.

The gray and white pups came closer, Ghost nudged Jon’s free hand with his nose, watching Tyrion Lannister carefully with a cautious eye.

— May I pet them? — the dwarf asked and already reached out his hand to Star, but quickly pulled it back when she bared her fangs with a growl.

— You should not, if we were not here, they would tear off your hand and rip out your throat — Jon said. For now things were not quite like that, but everything was still ahead ...

— If you want to pet someone, my lord, — then there is a kennel in the castle — Dyanna said.

— And there you may also give your advice to the dogs — Jon concluded.

No longer paying attention to their rude guest, he turned away, pushed the door open and pulled his sister into the hall, toward the light, music and delicious smells.

— Be carefull, I might find the conversation there far more stimulating — the dwarf kept mocking as they walked away — the dogs are not so easily offended, especially by the simple truth.

— Father is absolutely right not to like the Lannisters, — Jon said.

Dyanna nodded and hummed in agreement.

— But we must not let such people spoil our evening, — she replied, though she did not sound as carefree as she wanted to seem, and her hand trembled slightly and was cold.

Jon hoped that the rest of the feast would fix that.

My fic is Glorious Bastards.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/75293991/chapters/196807711

This is from the end of chapter 6 (Jon 1).

Premise: At the end of Robert’s Rebellion, Ashara Dayne gives birth to a child – Dyanna Snow, the daughter of Eddard Stark. This time the fate takes a different turn: it is the mother who dies, while the child lives.

In my Vale-supports-Starks AU, I am planning to use ser Lyn as the first sword in Robb’s battle guard. He is self-serving, dishonorable, glory-seekin and greedy for the spoils of war, but he is also an excellent knight, so Robb keeps him around, even if he may cause trouble.

We know very little about him, but do you think Lyn is truly among the best fighters, or is his reputation is a bit overblown? If he had been with Robb at the Whispering Wood, could he have given Jaime a challenge and held him off long enough for more men to join and capture him?

I don’t think Lyn was ever loyal to Littlefinger, rather he served him because he payed well. If given the opportunity to join a war, Lyn would take it instead, as he could earn more through loot and ransoms, also gaining glory and more reputation.

What is your opinion on all of this characterisation?

In my Vale-supports-Starks AU, I am planning to use ser Lyn as the first sword in Robb’s battle guard. He is self-serving, dishonorable, glory-seekin and greedy for the spoils of war, but he is also an excellent knight, so Robb keeps him around, even if he may cause trouble.

We know very little about him, but do you think Lyn is truly among the best fighters, or is his reputation is a bit overblown? If he had been with Robb at the Whispering Wood, could he have given Jaime a challenge and held him off long enough for more men to join and capture him?

I don’t think Lyn was ever loyal to Littlefinger, rather he served him because he payed well. If given the opportunity to join a war, Lyn would take it instead, as he could earn more through loot and ransoms, also gaining glory and more reputation.

What is your opinion on all of this?

If Ned turned out to be a political genius and started undermining Lannister power and filling the court with his own allies, so Tywin would feel his positions are threatened?

Ned for example could bring to court a lot of Northmen, Riverlanders, Valemen; take away warden of the East title from Jaime and gave it to Yohn Royce; appoint loyal men to the offices in goldcloacks; kick out of the city a large part of queen's guard with excuese that thay are too expensive; cut the crown spendings and start to repay the debts; ... ect

Catelyn is not kidnapping Tyrion, Ned asked her to visit Riverrun, so she wasn't at crossroads.

So what Tywin would do if Lannister power at court was being undermined by the new Hand, but he hadn't have a cause for war? Would Tywin still attack RL and try to lure out and kill Ned and pretent it were bandits? Would he come to court and try to restore his influence? Remember that he is ego-maniac who is obsessed with pride and not always rational.

When Robert planned to send assassins after Dany Ned resigned as Hand and planned to leave, but got caught into a trap set by Jaime and coordinated by Littlefinger. Jory and 2 guards were killed and Ned's leg was broken, which likely was a major factor in his ultimate demise.

Do you think that if Daenerys problem wasn't present and Ned remained the Hand would it stop Jaime from attacking him, in response for Tyrion's arrest?

And if Jaime still attacked him with the similar result would Robert change his reaction?

Who are the most infamous traitors in history of westeros, who can be used as archetypes by the characters in story?

By that I mean historical figures, not from the main series like Theon or Walder Frey, some equivalents of Brutus, Judas, Guy Fawkes.

Tyrion's plan with falce envoys worked out and Jaime was able to get to King's Landing before the battle of Blackwater. What would be his reaction on his siblings' plan to use wildfire against Stannis?

Would he oppose because of the danger and mad king association? Would he tell why he actually killed Aerys?

Or would he just not really care? He is still reckless arrogant two-handed Jaime, after all.

Tyrion's plan with falce envoys worked out and Jaime was able to get to King's Landing before the battle of Blackwater. What would be his reaction on his siblings' plan to use wildfire against Stannis?

Would he oppose because of the danger and mad king association? Would he tell why he actually killed Aerys?

Or would he just not really care? He is still reckless arrogant two-handed Jaime, after all.

The line "Love is the death of duty" is always praised as one of Maester Aemon’s most profound reflections; however, to me it feels fundamentally misguided, as reality suggests the opposite.

Upon closer consideration, the statement reveals a certain lack of authenticity. Duty is most usually owed to one’s family or one’s country - the things that are also the objects of one’s love. In such cases, love does not stand in opposition to duty; rather, it reinforces the obligation to protect and preserve them.

In truth, this quote applies properly only in the context of the Night’s Watch - an artificial institution with no real analogue in the world. In reality, no one swears lifelong vows to defend all of humanity while entirely renouncing familial ties and personal loyalties.

Extending this reasoning further, I would argue that both Aemon’s and Jon’s decisions to join the Night’s Watch were ultimately wrong and led to negative consequences.

Had Aemon chosen to become king or to serve as an advisor to Aegon V, he might have significantly strengthened the realm and better prepared it for the eventual threat of the dead. Instead, he spent his life at the Wall, effectively removed from the political sphere, while his family and dynasty collapsed. This sacrifice was made to prevent a purely hypothetical risk - that he might be used as a rival claimant against his brother, somehow against his will.

A similar argument can be made for Jon. Before taking his vows, he had an opportunity to return to Winterfell and support Robb. In doing so, he might have contributed to preserving his family and preventing the fall of the North, enabling a stronger resistance against the Others when they will attack.

The Night’s Watch itself is a decayed and ineffective institution - corrupt, under-resourced, and incapable of sustaining itself, let alone fulfilling its intended purpose. Investing life in trying to reform such an organization is pointless, particularly when the ultimate confrontation with the White Walkers would require the unified strength of the entire realm regardless.

The stories of Aemon and Jon, alongside the downfall of the Targaryens and the Starks, illustrate that loyalty to one’s family and homeland outweighs abstract duty to humanity. Love is not the death of duty; it is its most powerful motivating force.

Daenerys was taken hostage shortly after her birth, and raised by Ned Stark in Winterfell (not married to Jon or Robb).

Robert still eventually dies, the war still starts and Stannis proclaims himself the king. What would be his intentions towards Dany?

Would he not care? Would he order the Starks to handle her over to him? Would he want to burn her alive or just keep her around to use in some way?

Daenerys was taken hostage shortly after her birth, and raised by Ned Stark in Winterfell (not married to Jon or Robb).

Robert still eventually dies, the war still starts and Stannis proclaims himself the king. What would be his intentions towards Dany?

Would he not care? Would he order the Starks to handle her over to him? Would he want to burn her alive or just keep her around to use in some way?

Is there any fanfics where Tyrion is judged or at least called out for one of many ill deeds which he actually commited?

Preferably it should have an actual process, and Tyrion realising that he is guilty, and everyone hate him not just for being a Lannister or a dwarf, as it was in his previous trials.

He can be judged by Stannis/Renly/Starks/Targaryens for either supporting Joffrrey's reign, marring Sansa, killing Shae or whatever else he had done.

It is very annoying when in 1000th time in a fanfic he gets a pass for being funny, when in reality he is quite a vile person.

Is there any fanfics where Tyrion is judged or at least called out for one of many ill deeds which he actually commited?

He can be put on trial by Stannis/Renly/Starks/Targaryens for either supporting Joffrrey's reign, marring Sansa, killing Shae or whatever else he had done.

It is very annoying when in 1000th time in a fanfic he gets a pass for being funny, when in reality he is quite a vile person.

This is both discussion and request.

I am interested in this scenario and trying to write a fic about it myself. I attempted to read a few of them, but almost always they are short and unfinished, or the focus is on the OC sister, while Jon is just a sad, boring guy who fucks off to rot on the Wall and is never given a though again.

What I am looking for is a story where the twins genuinely and deeply care about each other (and knowing ASOIAF fanbase, are not paired together, because they are normal and sane people).

Also, whether or not you know fanfics like this, feel free to share what such a change may bring and how the plot may go.

I am planning to write natural progression of the story with this change. Jon probably never joins the NW, when Ned departs south twins may go to one of northern houses to serve as a squire and lady-in-waiting. Later twin is staying in WF, and Jon goes south with Robb.

What do you think? How to make this idea go in interesting direction?

This is both discussion and request.

I am interested in this scenario and trying to write a fic about it myself. I attempted to read a few of them, but almost always they are short and unfinished, or the focus is on the OC sister, while Jon is just a sad, boring guy who fucks off to rot on the Wall and is never given a though again.

What I am looking for is a story where the twins genuinely and deeply care about each other (and knowing ASOIAF fanbase, are not paired together, because they are normal and sane people).

Also, whether or not you know fanfics like this, feel free to share what such a change may bring and how the plot may go.

I am planning to write natural progression of the story with this change. Jon probably never joins the NW, when Ned departs south twins may go to one of northern houses to serve as a squire and lady-in-waiting. Later twin is staying in WF, and Jon goes south with Robb.

What do you think? How to make this idea go in interesting direction?

I am interested in this scenario and trying to write a fic about it myself. I attempted to read a few of them, but almost always they are short and unfinished, or the focus is on the OC sister, while Jon is just a sad, boring guy who fucks off to rot on the Wall and is never given a though again.

What I am looking for is a story where the twins genuinely and deeply care about each other (and knowing ASOIAF fanbase, are not paired together, because they are normal and sane people).

Also, whether or not you know fanfics like this, feel free to share what such a change may bring and how the plot may go.

Daughter of Eddard Stark and Ahara Dayne survives, Ashara still dies, the girl is raised in WF.

Overall information: the OC looks mostly looks like her mother, she aims to be a perfect lady to compensate her bastardy. She is close with both sisters, but more with Sansa, because they share interests. Catelyn more or less tolerates her.

In the beggining of GoT Ned takes her to KL alongside Arya and Sansa, what can this potentially change?

Darry incident with direwolves. OC probably isn't playing with Arya herself, but can free Lady and her own wolf, for example after overhearing that Cersei wants them dead.

She is taken south to find her marriage, who it can be? Maybe Edric Storm, though he is too young.

What she can do while at court? Be Sansa's lady in waiting and hang out together, or not being really invited to all events because she is a bastard?

With which people at court she would interact?

Ned Dayne is her cousin, and likely will come to talk to her, probably Beric Dondarrion with him.

How her conversation with Barristan may look like?

Does Jaime feels something about her being Arthur's niece, or doesn't care?

Would Ned still send the same people after the Mountain? Maybe if he knows that 12 y.o. Edric Dayne is going he has to let Loras go as well?

I think she can make Sansa not to go to Cersei when Ned wanted his daughters to leave, but would it actually change anything? LF and goldcloacks were already planning to betray Ned, and he already told Cersei that he knows.

What would happen to her if she is captured? She will be treated even worse than Sansa, but how worse? Is it certain death or Cersei/Tyrion want to leave her alive for a time? Or maybe Barristan may save her? Or Hound?