I will go first: Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Agatha, Blade trilogy, Ghost Rider, and all of the Sonyverse movies.defenders saga excluding daredevil and punisher (punisher im watching rn),agents of shild
PLS HELP ME......When I was in 8th grade, I realized what actual bullying was. Up until 7th grade, I had a pretty normal life. Growing up, I was always considered skinny, and for the most part, I didn’t think much of it because it was usually my family who pointed it out. I thought that as time went on, I would eventually put on weight.
Then in 8th grade, two guys started making fun of me. They would hit me with things, and when I tried to fight back, they knew I was skinny and provoked me even more. They would steal my stationery, and when I asked about it, they would act as if they hadn’t taken it. They only returned my things if I threatened to tell the teacher, and even then, they would mock me and call me a baby. From that point on, it was just horrible.
In 9th grade, I thought I had moved on because I found a good group of friends, but a few of them constantly made fun of me—only 2 or 3 out of the 6 of us, but it was still hurtful. Eventually, when I called them out, they said I was a crybaby and weak. They would hit me, and if I hit them back, they would threaten me, saying things like, "You don’t want to mess with me; if I hit you, it’s a joke. Don't cross the line." It was absurd to hear that. Whenever I stood up for myself, they would get offended and stop talking to me for a week, but when they made fun of me, I was expected to deal with it.
They always made me sit at the corner of the bench so they could talk easily; they treated me like backup. Eventually, I snapped and stopped talking to them. They acted as if they had no idea why I did this. When they found out I was upset about being treated as backup and made fun of for being skinny, they laughed it off, saying, "Being called skinny isn’t body shaming; it’s a joke." One friend stood up for me and a few apologized, but this ongoing cycle continued. I would get ignored, made fun of, and treated as backup when someone wasn't there. It made me question if being made fun of for being skinny really bodyshaming??
This went on for so long that I ultimately decided to cut them out of my life.
Two years later, I saw the same guy who caused me so much pain and trust issues. I looked at his Instagram, and it was full of him flexing his muscles and showing off his six-pack. I don’t know what happened, but maybe it was jealousy; I was furious because I found out he was living a great life. He had found a new group, was working out, and everything seemed to be going well for him while I was sulking and doing nothing. I blame myself for not being able to move on, but it just burns me up inside. “How come the one who caused me so much pain is living an amazing life, while I’m still here, struggling to move on?”
What if the events of Avengers: Endgame didn't just create a timeline?
What if Steve Rogers accidentally created a timeline where HYDRA discovered that Captain America had once claimed to be one of them—and that one moment completely changed the life of the Steve Rogers?
What if that single event eventually connected to Doctor Doom, incursions, the Fantastic Four, Loki and the collapse of the multiverse?
This theory is just for fun. It's probably a stretch than Mr. Fantastic himself but I thought it was an interesting idea.
In Avengers: Endgame Steve travels back to 2012. Recreates the famous elevator scene from Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
This time, of fighting the HYDRA agents he simply says:
"Hail Hydra."
Now here's where the theory begins.
According to the time travel rules established in Endgame Steve doesn't change the MCU timeline. Instead he creates (. Branches), into an entirely new timeline.
That means the Steve Rogers living in this reality isn't the same Steve who experienced Endgame. He has no idea that an older version of himself travelled back in time and said those two words.
Hydra does.
Whether someone secretly recorded the conversation documented it or simply reported it up the chain of command HYDRA now has knowledge that this version of Steve should never have given them.
That one tiny moment could end up changing everything.
# 2. HYDRA CAN USE STEVE'S WORDS AGAINST HIM
The events of **Captain America: The Winter Soldier** start to happen in this different timeline.
The thing is, HYDRA already knows something that they should not know.
At some point in 2012 Captain America said he was HYDRA.
This Steve Rogers never actually said that.
He does not remember it because it was the Steve Rogers from **Endgame** who went back in time.
HYDRA does not care about that.
Let us say they have some kind of proof.
Maybe someone recorded the conversation in the elevator.
Maybe one of their agents told them about it.
Maybe they made up parts of the story to make it sound true.
Whatever they did they now have proof to manipulate the situation.
Imagine HYDRA saying something like:
**"You said you were one of us. Now prove it."**
Steve Rogers would have no idea what they are talking about.
From his point of view he would be accused of something he never did.
This misunderstanding could completely change his life.
Of becoming the Captain America we know this Steve Rogers could spend years being hunted by HYDRA not trusted by governments and always trying to clear his name for something that was not even his fault.
That is where I think this idea gets interesting.
## Steve Rogers Does Not Become Bad. He Changes.
I do not think Steve Rogers suddenly becomes bad.
His values do not change.
His situation does.
He is still a person.
He adapts to the situation
He is still the Steve Rogers at heart which is why I think he would still be able to lift Mjolnir.
Surviving is a different story.
If Steve Rogers spends years with no friends on the run forced to make hard decisions just to stay alive eventually he will have to change.
Maybe he joins HYDRA.
Maybe he pretends to work with them.
Maybe he eventually becomes what people would call **Captain Hydra**.
Not because he believes in HYDRA but because he has to survive.
There is another thing that made me think of this.
If Steve Rogers spends years moving from place to place hiding from governments, HYDRA and eventually even Doctor Doom he would literally become a man without a home.
A **Nomad**.
Anthony Mackie recently called Steve Rogers a "Nomad,". While that is obviously not proof of anything it made me wonder:
**What if he does not just become a Nomad on Earth...**
**What if he becomes a Nomad across the multiverse?**
Again I know that is a stretch.
From this point, on everything starts to change.
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# 3. NO CIVIL WAR. AND THAT CHANGES THE ENTIRE MCU
This is where the butterfly effect really starts to take shape.
If Steves life changes much the events that lead up to Captain America: Civil War could also change.
Think about it.
Of the Avengers dealing with their own problems Steves situation alone could bring everyones attention to HYDRA. If HYDRA becomes a bigger problem much earlier the Sokovia Accords might never be the main issue.
I'm not saying they definitely wouldn't happen—this is where the theory starts to get really big—. Lets say they don't.
No Sokovia Accords.
No Avengers Civil War.
The Avengers never break apart.
If the team stays together then when Thanos finally comes he faces an Avengers team instead of one thats already split.
Would they win?
Maybe.
Maybe not.
I do think they would put up a much stronger fight than they did before.
Now here's where the theory gets more out there.
Lets say the Avengers either beat Thanos or at least survive the battle in a better position than they originally did.
Tony Stark has now seen just how dangerous the universe really is.
He knows threats like Thanos exist from avengers 1 , but when he finds more abt the infinity stones, he begans o wonder
If one threat like Thanos exists...
...whats stopping another one from appearing?
That thought could completely change Tonys way of thinking.
Of just getting ready for the next attack Tony starts thinking bigger.
"What if Earth doesn't have every resource it needs?"
"What if another universe has technology, knowledge or solutions that we don't?"
Knowing Tony protecting Earth has always been his goal.
He created Ultron because he wanted "a suit of armor around the world."
He built Iron Man suits after New York because he was scared of another alien attack.
So while I know this part is another stretch I don't think it's completely impossible that Tony would start looking into other timelines and the multiverse—not to take over but to learn from them and get Earth ready, for whatever comes next.
Unfortunately...
...that's exactly where things start to go wrong.
# 4. TONY STARK STARTS LOOKING BEYOND HIS UNIVERSE
If Tony Stark really does start researching timelines and the multiverse I do not think his goal would be to explore them just for fun.
His goal would be preparation.
Tony Stark has always been someone who thinks about what might happen
After what happened in New York he became very focused on protecting Earth from the big threat.
He created Ultron because he thought the world needed a way to protect itself.
Even though Ultron was a disaster Tony Starks intentions were always the same. To protect the people he cares about.
So after everything that happens with Thanos I think Tony Stark would come to a realization:
"If one universe has limits maybe another universe does not."
Maybe another universe has technology that's much better than what Tony Stark has.
Maybe another universe has found a way to save billions of lives.
Maybe another universe has already dealt with threats that the Avengers have not even seen yet.
I know this is an idea but I can see Tony Stark starting a project to study alternate realities. Not to hurt them or take from them but just to learn from them and get Earth ready for what comes next.
Here is where things go wrong.
Tony Starks research is not finished yet.
He is experimenting with something that nobody fully understands.
Somehow HYDRA finds out.
Whether it is through spies at Stark Industries, stolen research, hacked computers or secret agents HYDRA eventually gets its hands on Tony Starks work.
The problem is that HYDRA does not understand the technology well as Tony Stark does.
They are trying to recreate something they should not have.
Of carefully studying the multiverse they start using it for their own gain.
They take resources, technology. Maybe even people, from other universes.
That is where I think the trouble starts.
Universes are not supposed to interfere with each other all the time.
The more HYDRA takes from universes the more the universes become connected.
The more unstable the multiverse becomes.
One experiment leads to another.
Then another.
Until eventually the damage spreads beyond Earth.
Somewhere out there one of those experiments destroys the wrong universe.
Doctor Dooms universe.
.# 5. THE INCURSION THAT CREATES DOCTOR DOOM
This is where Doctor Doom comes into the picture.
Let us assume that the Doctor Doom we see in **Avengers: Doomsday** is not exactly the Doctor Doom from the Fantastic Four universe. I know this is probably not what Marvel is planning. Just think about it for a moment.
Because of HYDRAs use of Tonys unfinished technology that can affect multiple universes, strange events called incursions start happening across many realities.
One of these incursions destroys Doctor Dooms universe.
In the process Doctor Doom loses the person who means the most to him: his mother.
If you know Doctor Doom, you know he is not the kind of person who will simply accept something like this.
He wants to know what happened.
He wants to know who is responsible.
More importantly he wants to make sure it never happens again.
This also made me think about one line from the **Avengers: Doomsday** Comic-Con footage:
> **"What if the stolen lives aren't just metaphorical?"**
What if Doctor Doom really believes that people in universes are living lives that should have belonged to the people of his universe?
What if he believes other realities are surviving by taking things, possibilities and entire futures away from universes that are collapsing?
From Doctor Dooms point of view he is not the guy.
He is trying to fix reality.
He is trying to stop universes from suffering the same fate as his own.
So he starts investigating.
He travels across the multiverse studying universes that have experienced incursions and looking for one thing: the source.
Eventually his search starts pointing toward one recurring problem: HYDRA.
Eventually Steve Rogers.
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# 6. THE FINAL COLLISION
Now this is where the theory gets really crazy—. That is what makes fan theories fun.
Let us say Steve somehow discovers that Doctor Doom has traced the incursions back to his universe.
He realizes that if Doctor Doom finds him innocent people could get hurt.
So Steve runs.
Using Tonys multiversal technology he escapes his universe and starts traveling from one reality to another.
This is where I think the "Nomad" idea could fit.
Not just a Nomad without a country. A Nomad without a universe.
Again I know this is a stretch but it is a fun idea.
Eventually Steve arrives in the timeline where the original **Endgame** Steve is living peacefully with Peggy after returning the Infinity Stones.
Even though this alternate Steve blames him for everything that has happened he still refuses to let innocent people suffer because of it.
So he helps Steve, Peggy and their son escape before Doctor Doom can reach them.
The universe they flee to is the Fantastic Fours.
Unfortunately Steve soon discovers he is already too late.
One of Lateverian witches ( as we see tht the mask in post credit scene of f4 and trailer of doomsday dont match, but they match the lateverian witches we see in comic con display )has already kidnapped Franklin Richards.
Realizing he cannot stop Doctor Doom alone Steve comes up with an idea,
He tells reed and the others to go to HIS MAIN AVENGERS TIMELINE (THE PRESENT ONE)
Because despite everything that has happened he still believes in the Avengers.
Now let us stretch the theory further.
Maybe Doctor Doom has already traveled to the XMen universe.
At first he is simply searching for knowledge or answers.
Then he discovers the Phoenix Force.
He believes its power could help him reshape reality or prevent incursions.
So he captures Jean Grey.
Maybe he even kills her to get that power.
I know this is an assumption but we are already deep into fan-theory territory.
Meanwhile Sentinels begin hunting the remaining X-Men.
In the trailer we mainly see Charles Xavier and Magneto.
Maybe that is because they stay behind and sacrifice themselves so the rest of the X-Men can escape into another universe.
By coincidence—or maybe fate—that universe ends up being the Fantastic Fours reality.
At the time Doctor Doom finally catches up to Steve.
A huge battle breaks out.
Steve barely escapes with his life.
Furious Doctor Doom begins tearing through realities more aggressively causing even greater damage to the multiverse.
That is when the TVA notices. We see in the trailer tht loki seems to be at steves house maybe he travels there to figure something out
Loki realizes someone is reality itself.
He begins investigating the universe where all of this started and slowly uncovers the truth.
He realizes Doctor Doom is not another multiversal threat.
He is becoming a threat to every timeline that exists.
That is when every storyline finally collides.
* **Alternate Steve Rogers**
* **HYDRA**
* **Tony Starks multiversal technology**
* **Incursions**
* **Doctor Doom**
* **The Fantastic Four**
* **Franklin Richards**
* **The X-Men**
* **Loki**
* **The Avengers**
They are all connected by one chain of events that started with two words.
> **"Hail Hydra."**
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# DOOMSDAY
That could be the point where every timeline finally crashes into one another.
The biggest question is not whether Steve Rogers becomes evil.
It is whether one innocent action by one version of Steve Rogers creates a chain reaction that destroys an entire universe.
If that's even remotely close, to what **Avengers: Doomsday** is building toward then Captain America may not be the hero who destroyed the multiverse.
He may simply have been the domino.