Lily lovebraids could survive the cloud and here's why

Lily lovebraids could survive the cloud and here's why

summary: lots of math to find out her weight is a total of 500lbs, cloud is steel and 1.2 tons, no blood splatter allows for finding materials, finding how much weight she could take if done right, and looked into psychology. if you have questions please drop them in the comments so I (ordinary sound) see it, as I'm open to answering questions.

The estimations:

I have a theory regarding lovebraids. She isn't dead, these toys are like 10-20 times stronger than a human, even in durability, so what if she isn't dead, just knocked out. The cloud appears to be made of steel with a shell being the cloud, which is hollow. By doing math we can equivalent that to about 37 tons at most, which makes sense given her weight.

So taking lily’s base weight and assuming it’s about 300 pounds, yet her in game model appears to be about 5'4 in height, which seems about the average, then calculating the mass of the smaller braids which I used the mass of horsehair cause that’s what the game says it is, and I assume were 2 inches in diameter and 50-60 ft in height due to being like MML who can stretch hundreds of feet.

Added that all up (accounting for less mass due to them being braids) gets to about 100

Now the big braid is about 3x the diameter so 6 inches, and same height

So new calculations get it to about 300 lbs (a big jump) So adding it all up: 300 + (100x2) + 300 = 800lbs So cloud weight is justified.

So the cloud falls about 100 feet from the air and watching the cloud fall we can see it took about 1.5 seconds for the cloud to hit the ground onto her. Using some kinetic energy calculations that gets to around 7.63 mj or energy.

Now we leave behind the past of estimations and enter the nightmare of the things that this ordinary sound does. Math warning

The actual math/science:

Let's start by calculating the cloud: earlier I thought It was 37 tons, and boy I'm wrong. You see it's 12ft wide, 10ft deep, and 5ft thick, which we can then deduce it's about 85% hollow. But hold on, that's only the steel top, what about the cloud itself? Well you see how they've been breaking reminds me of fiberglass, so I think their fiberglass for that reason. This makes the weight now 1,200 to 1,500lbs. A much more realistic number. This makes the mega jules now .132mj of impact. And while that may seem soft, that's actually the equivalent of a 35mph car crash, which would kill anyone with a blood splatter, but notice how there's no blood?

So by taking the weight of lily being 800 mostly from the braids, we also know the weight of the steel cloud being 1.2 tons, we have to find specific materials and methods to survive said cloud, and it would make sense to find the odds of survival. It was said lily has an artificial skeleton, so for the odds of survival we'll go with a grade 5 titanium skeleton. Now the reason we had to go grade 5, is because grade 4 titanium still buckets under weight, even PEEK wouldn't have higher than a 70% chance. The titanium skeleton has an MPa of 950 tensile and a yield of 880 MPa. The odds drop half of the survival odds with grade 4, 480MPa yield and 550MPa tensile.

Let's start with Aerospace grade plastic PEEK, she becomes an unkillable doll, with the percentile of 98% of survival, she walks away unscathed, well not mentally, there isn't much in terms of damage that would happen in this case except maybe 2-3 white stress marks. 100MPa yield and 170 MPa tensile.

Now let's go to Polyethylene. Polyethylene would leave the occasional stress mark, cracks in a couple spots, but she would survive, however damage would be garenteed, likely locking up her joints. If it's high density the odds are 70-80%, while low density Polyethylene would only give a less than 30% chance. High density 26MPa and low density 10MPa.

For reference on the materials I used, the average doll is made of abs plastic, so if she was made of it, she has a 40% chance at absolute most of survival. The result is most of the external plastic shatters, some parts being stuck in her. This is even with a truss structure internally, meaning regular doll plastics she's in absolute pain. 40MPa yield and 45MPa tensile.

Now let's do silicone. silicone alone wouldn't help as much as it should here, but we can make the hands and lower half of the head silicone for the movements. why don't we make her all silicone? because the resulting damage leaves her ribcage, skull, and upper arms and legs exposed, however in standard machining processes it's normal to combine polycarbonate and silicone. if we went full silicone shed be in excruciating pain after it. the following damage of all silicone would be exposed skull, exposed ribcage and heart, damaged upper arms and legs, and even more damage to the lower limbs. 0MPa yield and 11MPa tensile

Finally we go into polycarbonate. If Lily lovebraids was made of polycarbonate, which is the realistic option, there's spider web like cracks, small chips, and white marks, however she comes out 85% survival rate, however. The polycarbonate will absorb the initial weight of the 37.5 ton cloud, while the grade 5 titanium skeleton bares the static weight, better known as the sustained weight. so PC still seems reasonable. 62MPa yield and 72MPa tensile.and would have to be about 5-10mm thick.

so by knowing the .132 MJ, we can do the math and find the clouds peak impact (tensile) is 132 MPa, polycarbonate and grade 5 titanium get us above the number, from there we have to calculate the static weight, which is about 1.32MPa static weight. Grade 4 is under the initial impact (tensile) so the polycarbonate doesn't have enough structural integrity to be supported by the skeleton if said skeleton is weak, causing her to pop open like toothpaste being drove over by a land rover discovery, that polycarbonate has likely shattered and big bloody mess. However, because there was no blood, meaning scientifically she has survived however she's currently pinned, so she must use her hair to literally become a jack, and pull her doll body out.

Bring the hair into the equation, so because she could break herself whenever unless it was a titanium alloy skeleton, this would increase survival but would also have a higher chance of hurting at least one crucial organ. now considering the fact she's a giant doll essentially, she would need shock absorbing ball joints to move, which would also protect the joints from this surprisingly. I want to take a look at bridges for a second, their trusses are what keep them up, so likely inside the joints is many triangles to increase durability. Her skeletal structure specifically the ribs is also an arched torso, which makes it so the weight is distributed more so along the cage.

now let's do some math and calculate her exact weight. we know now her skeleton is grade 5 titanium which one cubic inch weighs .160lbs/in³ and a non dried calcium skeleton weighs 3500grams or nearly 20lbs. And we know she's 5'4.

Vskeleton= mass | density= 3500g | 1.9g/cm³ ≈ 1842.1cm³

Vskeleton= 1842.1cm³ | 16.387cm³/in³= 112.4in³

Weight=112.4in³ × 0.160lbs/in³ ≈ 17.984lbs

This gets us the final weight of 17.984lbs for her skeleton alone. the average weight of a healthy 5'4 persons insides excluding skin and skeleton is about 95lbs, the exact is 94.5 but I'll spare the numbers. now let's calculate the polycarbonate/silicone skin: body size average, and the silicone makes 5% of the weight here, while the polycarbonate makes 95%

BSA = 0.007184 × weight⁰.⁴²⁵ × height⁰.⁷²⁵

BSA ≈ 1.66m² ≈ 2,565 square inches.

polycarbonate: 2,437 in² × .394 in.× 0.0434lbs/in³ = 41.7lbs

Silicone: 128in² × 0.394in × 0.0452lbs/in³ = 2.3lbs

Total weight for the doll body: 156lbs.

This feels... Off, doesn't it? Well that's because most of these materials also weigh about human amount in weight, just they would make a person incredibly tanky, and nearly impossible to kill... And now we bring the cloud back into play. you see I messed up earlier, and I'll admit it, it's not 7.63mj, it's less. you see the dollhouse only looks to be about 40-50ft tall, and during the chase we climb about 15-25ft on the clouds before dropping one on her, so let's estimate about 65ft because if we kept the 100ft estimation that got us 7.63mj of force and 37 tons, that would make the steel into a dust and would break a lot more, also lily lovebraids would have died there then and a puff of dark red smoke, not catnaps, thats blood smoke. This makes the impact .132mj judging by how it broke and the lack of blood from lily, which actually makes it more survivable for her. but why does she survive? Well let's set some variables:

Cloud mass (m): 1,350lbs ≈612kg

Polycarbonate: 72mpa

Grade 5 titanium: 950mpa

F = KE | D

F = 132,000j | 0.1524 ≈866,141.7N

Impact force (Fpeak) = 866,141.7 × 2 ≈ 1,732,283N

Impact area(A) = 2,565in² × .35 = 897.75in² ≈ 0.579m²

Force is calculated as force divided by area (σ = F/A) σ = 1,732,283N | 0.579m² ≈ 2,991,853N/m² = 2.99mpa So we have to see if polycarbonate(72mpa) and grade 5 titanium (950mpa) can survive 2.99mpa, and sure enough the polycarbonate is 24x stronger than the mpa required.

the braids weight is next. Remember, the smaller 2 braids are only 2 inches in diameter while the big braid is 6 inches diameter, and for basically the entire game only extend a max of 20ft. I'm not calculating them breaking the catwalk in the final chase because we don't know how big the darkness is, so it's just gonna be me doing up to 20ft.

Smaller braids:

Radius (r) = 1 inch, height(h) 240 inches

V = π • (1²) • 240 ≈ 753.98in³

753.98 × 2 = 1,507.96in³

1,507.96in³ × 0.0469 lbs/in³ × 0.75 = 53lbs combined making each horse hair, add in the biological stuff into her braids to allow them to move and we get: 61.8lbs for the combined weight of the 2 braids.

Main braid:

Radius (r) = 3 inches, height(h) 240 inches

V = π • (3²) • 240 = π • 9 • 240 ≈ 6,785.84in³

6,785.84in³ × 0.0469 lbs/in³ × .75 = 238.7lbs. account for biological stuff internally and we get: 278.2lbs So add it all up:

278.2lbs + 61.8lbs + 156lbs + 8lbs for the clothing = 504lbs. Which means Lily's a little heavy

now 500lbs to 1,350lbs seems big, until you realize polycarbonate is tanky af. I know people won't read the math for this, but essentially stand in the middle of a bell, and let someone hit it, it's gonna hurt, your gonna be paralyzed for a bit, but that's basically what happens to lily here. She won't suffer any broken legs (it's fckin titanium that's never gonna break) she might be paralyzed for a bit or longer, but she survived with spiderwebbed cracks that won't give, lotta dust, and a bruised ego

The conclusion: science finds a way to say screw you beliefs, she isn't dead until we say she is. to the people who say "cope" then deny the listed facts. "oh a dev said it" devs like to be secretive! "oh she's dead" wheres the blood splatter, that's the only scientific way to prove she's dead. if you have questions feel free to ask, I have time

so her design would likely be a spider web like cracks across the entire body, small clips here and there, and white stress marks. that's it

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 10 days ago
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Poppy playtime AU for chapter 6

Reference links (please read em): 1353: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoppyPlaytime/comments/1th50nk/poppy_playtime_fan_character_1353_the_doctors/ Lily lovebraids: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lilylovebraids_fans/comments/1u6f2l3/proving_lily_isnt_insane_by_using_psychology/ proving she didn't die: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lilylovebraids_fans/comments/1sctd1o/its_that_time_again_were_proving_lily_lovebraids/

So call me crazy, but chapter 6 shouldn't be the last, but it should be the scariest, this chapter should be about getting closer to beating the prototype,
Chapter 6 AU Name: failsafe

Act 1: the game starts with us back in the server room, where the doctor asks us what happened to 1322, 1468, 1170, 1172, 1222, and giblet says their all dead, to which the doctor calls us synthetic idiots, as he's angry we killed our only leverage to kill the prototype. He takes over glowby, and we start on our journey, doing tutorial puzzles, and hitting ruined smiling critters, the doctor says without leverage we need to play it smart, we might be able to rust him with the boilers, so we start heading there. they head halfway down but hear mechanical footsteps, calculated yet agile from a metal character. from a vent along the way you can spot a mechanical skeleton slip back into the vent. The player does a power puzzle to open a door. A cloaked humanoid form amalgamation of primary huggy toys fur but some critters with the hair on the head of a human and a single eyed metal mask with a blood red pentagram, wearing gloves and boots, comes from the shadows, he shoots a makeshift crossbow at the butcher and gets him down, as he points his finger at you, wrong side outimals drag you away as you black out. They set you up in a room, where using the yellow hand you burn the ropes, and run as the cloaked figure watches. Stitch:"no, let him run, it's always more fun when they cower to the devil. " eventually the player makes a shortcut through sweet street, it's dark this time, and toys now litter the street here, so we have to turn on the power to sweet street. Giblet tells the doctor this is where we killed lily lovebraids, and the doctor gets suspicious, and demands us to take him to the death site. After doing the puzzles like the original, We arrive and find a mangled cloud, and find a blood trail going into a vent. We leave sweet street, closer to the boiling room, and have to hide as the prototypes coming. Act 2: we see the prototype is getting ready for something, dragging a struggling huggy wuggy behind him "quiet 1170, before I MAKE YOU wrong side Out, MY hunters have taken 1172, YOU WILL BE forced into the HELL you HAVE CREATED foR mE" and continues taking huggy away. We do some puzzles, cross a ravine, and have to use a battery to open a door to a hallway. We then have a tape we find of experiment 1353: the doctors plaything. A kid from play care the doctor actually cared about, as this kid was special, as it had an abnormal intelligence, able to make a machine from anything. however coming down with cancer, it was do or die for the doctor, to save the one kid he cared enough about, he chose to turn Alex into 1353, however 1353 was different from other experiments, he respected it, and because he wasn't a toy, wasnt brainwashed. Eventually even becoming the doctors right hand man until 1353 couldn't find him. Continuing down the halls, however we're stopped, as something comes crashing through the ceiling, a more mechanical being, with a skull for the head, constantly hiding in a cloak, and a spear in his left hand. "So your the butcher I've heard so much about" the doctor asks if that's 1353, to which the machine responds yes and takes down the cloak. The two engage in some conversation and 1353 tells the doctor the prototypes plan, the better place isn't a better place, it's a prison, the poppys grow from the kids, and hands Harley access to those cameras, seeing for himself, his plan is to eventually find a way into a child like body, and kill every experiment who tries to not help. The protoype suddenly starts coming so we have to hide, and 1353 tells the prototype we're heading toward shelf ventilation block d5, for dynamite to explode the better place, the prototype says to go defend poppy, make sure she doesn't get in trouble. We start running the other way, and the protoype starts heading up. Behind a wall we see a big arm of an amalgamation of toys go behind a wall. eventually we see lovebraids braids, then the body. just as giblets starting to make a plan to kill lovebraids, the doctor says we need her alive, the more help we can get the better. So we lose her, do some puzzles, and the floor drops from under us as stitch laughs, walks away, now we have to survive a wave of outimals. We complete it and enter the scrap yard, and hear a four footed plastic click clack in the distance somewhere, and at the end of a hall, we see a fleshy hand disappear behind a wall.

Act 3: the hallway to the scrap yard is blocked by rubble, so we have to take the vent. Once there we have to pry bars open to get inside, and once inside it's filled with dead toys, failed experiments, and more, including an abandoned railroad to the compactor, when we try to scan the blue hand to open a door, 2 smaller amalgamation called maws rise from the scrap. the maws are prototypes hunters, typically 6-8 feet tall, while common they are 4 legged monsters created by the Prototype with a barbed toothed tail, the skin is mini huggy Fur and smiling critter corpses all painted either red, black, gray, or blue. Wide headed mouth with 2 huggy style eyes on the top of The head. Teeth and claws razor sharp. We're chased down the abandoned railway with one on our tail, the other blocking certain paths, eventually we crush one of the maws in the trash compactor. The other maw stands there, another maw approaches and sees the body, the one who was blocking paths nods at the new approached one and they head out. We continue on our path, and have to do a couple of puzzles. In the scrap where 1353 sits in, there's a note about an olm toy numbered 1362 that got rejected called wibbler, but they moved him to the sanitation district to clean sewers, the child that became it is named Blake corvid and suffered 83 days of conditioning tapes was blind, becoming animalistic in mindset, still is blind after his toy conversion, and can't speak, in one scrap pile mommy long legs upper toso and Head sit in a scrap pile, proto took one of the arms. Eventually meeting up with 1353 again, who tells us where the Omni hand has been taken to the salvage rooms. Giblet asks if there is anyway to kill the prototype. "Yeah, there is. The prototype is no god, he's just a boy that forgot how to die. They're all dead, they just don't know it yet. Also whats up with prototypes favorite punching bag over there, you guys didn't damage her right... Actually why am I asking of course you did something, even if its self defense. well now your going to fix what you broke for once in your misery before this factory falls into deeper hell, she's scaring the others and making them hate her because she won't shut up about being 'not perfect' anymore, so take care of it, Look if you want to get to the boilers, quickest path is through the sewers." 1353 says. we continue on, 1353 collapsing into the corpses. We do a power puzzle and enter an open room, until we get chased by a damaged lily in an open room, she's flying across the walls with her braids, and another chase down a hallway, completing a fast power puzzle and closing the door, blocking her out. We can see stitch walk by welding a pan. He points his finger, and the player has to keep the light on a swarm of outimals for 30 seconds as the cloaked figure walks away, it's the character stitch from before. Eventually we have to hide in a vent, a heavy dull orange 4 legged thing with a long body walks by the vent, then from the mouth a fleshy hand snakes into the vent, feels around, and keeps walking.

Act 4: we've reached yet another hallway, this one leading to backup power room #128. In a hallway we see candy/lily dissociating as she stares at a wall, a wrong side outimal lunges only for reapers arm to come throgh a vent and take it away. Opening a way into the sewer pipes, this section is dry sewers, scratches on the walls, bite marks at bars, some broken in, a fleshy hand disappear into the darkness, dragging dog days head before a crunch sound, a blood trail, hoppy hopscotch bitten in half, multiple dead toys, click clacks down one unaccessable pipe, and more. Eventually we enter a room, we do a power puzzle to get in, we find a mask and oxygen tank, and head back into the sewers and go down into the waters of the fully filled sewers, the entire thing is full. Stitch:"ah good, the degenerate escaped. You survived, that just means I get to play longer. You think the doctor and the prototype were the only ones with pets? Wrong!" And on one of the barred off paths of the sewers gets attacked by a 30 foot long dull orange olm with black external gills, the outside looks like plastic toy, where inside its jagged tooth mouth sits 2 stitched in fleshy arms that function like grabbing tounges positioned on the bottom jaw, the inside of the mouth is blood red with a ribcage like build on the top and bottom. "Meet what I call, the great devourer...his toy names wibbler... He's 1362, a rejected toy the company made, I took the broken, and make them a weapon! Prototype let me have this one." Wibbler breaks the bars down, and returns into the darkness. the player has to complete a puzzle of finding the parts to fix a flood door in the dark while being silent or they'll alert the olm. Occasionally if your near a barred off path in the sewer, if you use them as safety wibbler will break through and kill you, and if you escape through silence he roams before going through another path, every time you let one be broken, there's more spots for wibbler to crawl out of, and his interval from one tunnel to the next is 6-10 seconds in between. Eventually we clean the sewers out and flush them out, and walking to a specific section we see wibbler disappear into one of the sewage tunnels. We continue walking, doing a pipe puzzle to flush out rooms, and nearby we hear click clacks of wibbler, who walks down the hall, if we're in a vent we have to move really far down it, as his mouth arms feel around in there to some extent, if it grabs you it rips you out, slamming you into the other wall, then eating you. These next 5 hallways wibbler is right above us on the ceiling, when he sniffs, we have to stop moving, because he moves when he sniffs, if you hide hide in a corner he'll stop, tilt his head 45°, stare at you for 7.5 seconds, and if you don't keep moving, open his mouth slightly, his hands come out and look like they're resting on the bottom and top jaws, ready to attack, waits 2.5 seconds, pulls them back, open wide, and lunge at you. round 2 in the underwater sewers, all the same rules from the first underwater section, but this section is shorter, and rather than draining it, we just have to open a door with 5 modules that need to be pressed for the door to Open while wibbler hunts us, during this section he's also more aggressive, and if you hide near one, he'll wait ate one of to openings for 5 seconds, then launch his mouth arms at you and drag you in. Eventually we get through, gas puzzle, burn some things and enter a giant room with multiple sewage tunnels. Wibbler crawls out of one, into another, then reach es your level and starts a chase. These pipeways you're in split into multiple, so wibbler will use those to try and kill you. Eventually he'll grab you so you need to act fast with the yellow hand and burn his mouth, then continue running. Eventually we get to a room and have to act fast on a puzzle to get a thing to slam down onto wibbler who's trying to get through a barred pipe, you got 15 seconds before he breaks in, and the puzzle takes a bit. Eventually the hydrologic press is on, and once he breaks inside nearly crushes him but he breaks it and chasses us down some halls. Eventually we close a door and block wibbler out. We see a plastic mountain lion tail disappear behind a wall

Act 5: The player ends up in a room full of hooks and bodies, about 28. In this stalker section when the lights are on you get 3 batteries to open the door, while stitch is actively pestering you with a crossbow or throwing you into walls, with the occasional wrong side outimals. the player finally reaches a safe spot, and opens the wall with a pressure hand, making room for the room to be a power puzzle, which will open a metal door. Players must have to go through 4 dark hallways, and pull the switches to light the way, otherwise they get killed by a wrong side outimals, the twist is more than half of them are dead, the occasional purple hairs on them. The first in order to light it up, we have to grab power and place it into a receiver, the second is find the switch, the third is the same as second but there's outimals dead everywhere, and the fourth is a power puzzle while being hunted. In the next room we see lily cleaning her braid before scattering off into the vents. We continue moving, having to grab a key from a desk, unlock a door, and we enter the dorms, a gory mess of toys everywhere, and the occasional alive one, some run, some stay and fight, even hearing poppy sobbing on one of the glowby in one of the dorms. We have to do a unique puzzle in the dorms, to eventually open the door and continue on. We're now in a room with a conveyor belt, we have to pressure hand to get it started, power on the salt crusher, and crush salt crystals without crushing a key card, we use said key card to open a door, there's also a note about how it's a repurposed salt factory. We nearly fall out of a vent and near prototype, only for the reaper to grab us and pulls us back in, 1006 stabs at us before getting smoke bombed the room, and salt on his muscles. We keep going, do a power puzzle from the vents, hear 1006 from afar wants his hunters sent, and the vent breaks as we drop into a maze of hallways and vents with 4 maws. the goal is to get 4 hand scanners to open a door with 7 hiding spots in the halls. We get the door open, do a power puzzle, salt puzzle, walk some halls, into the vents, and the vent breaks and we fall out. "YOU MONSTER, YOU BROKE US!" Lily shouts before doing a boss fight of zapping her with the yellow hand 3 times, while using batteries to release cages and get gas canisters to slow her down, eventually accidentally she drops a rock on her braid, reaper from a distance comes to see if she's ok, looking like he wants to help, but knows somethings coming, she removes the braid from the rock without removing the braid from her head, but She's now clenching her braid with her hands, crying, so we leave, the click clack is heard in the distance. We have to hide in a vent as wibbler walks by, the hands aggressively check the vent, punch down on it in frustration nearly breaking the vent, a dememted series of clicks from its mouth before a screech, the vent gives out and we fall trough. before it continues on its path. In the distance there's a humanish scream of rage mixed with a Mountain lion.

Act 6: we've landed in a pile of human bodies, we keep moving down some halls, eventually finding a low poly shell of a mountain lion head but covered in blood and scratches. Stitch over speakers:"you think wibbler is the only rejected toy I adopted? Let me eventually introduce you to 1364, the phantom one." As we walk we find out we're in the material testing section of the factory, where they would test materials and test them with poppy gel, on the desks are multiple broken mountain lions head with a number for a code puzzle and the material, but they're all broken, all various materials. We find a note about 1364: morphic. The kid was Johnny oaths being turned into a rejected mountain lion toy, he's tan, but his head plates were interchangeable so they could test materials. His outer shell head would have been low poly so they coud switch plates and keep it going. In a puzzle room we get a tape, upon playing it we found out morphic purposely broke its heads layers to show it's fleshy and muscle covered skull with human eyes, using its claws to strip the toy parts right off its head. Eventually stitch would find it and paint its legs black. We then see it in the distance walk past the hallway, Eventually we hear a humanish scream of rage. We meet up with reaper, who as we fight off toys, literally punches a hole through the wall, the toys retreat, and he waves us through. As we move we hear reaper fighting something back there, and losing against wibbler? We enter another hallway, and there morphic is, his body is tan mountain lion with black painted legs, fleshy skull with the human eyes, pentagram on the head and 2-3 plates from his old head on it. He turns his skull head to face us, some of his skull still has the plates but most of it doesnt, and crunches on the bigger body baby long legs, having it cry before he drops it, and stomps on it. The lights then go out, and when they come back on, morphic is gone. But the room is locked, so from the shadows morphic lunges at us, we have to hide in a vent otherwise he'll kill us, but if we hide he'll hit the wall and break through it, buying enough time to scan a hand and get out before he gets out and chase us. We run down halls as morphic breaks through some windows, but others he just hits his head on and can't break. But the ones he can he chases for a bit before breaking through one and re disappearing into the shadows. We then see wibbler bleeding from the mouth as there's footprints from reaper walking away. The chase with the mountain lion continues, now he's breaking through windows, walls, and the ceiling, this goes on for 5 halls. The chase continues until we lose him. We enter a vent, and in it We see lily lovebraids in a room, spider webbed cracked that won't give from the cloud from chapter 5, and now her body bleeding from a scratch from morphic, and reapers near her. Reaper:"so you got a little cut, big deal. Your still surviving, ain't ya?" Lily/candy:"SHUT!" She pins him to the wall by a braid. Candy:"you don't know what it's like! To be damaged, to not be PERFECT anymore! (Switch to lily) We aren't a wrong side, reaper! So why don't you go die in a furnace!" She lets him go. Reaper:"hate me all you want, girly pop. Point is you ain't killing Prototype, guy is infinite, guy can regenerate, and more. At most you could do a 5 second paper cut. Plus, like you gotta learn to fight. You see that can over there? Secondary braids, strike it fast." She strikes it super fast and the can explodes from being crushed. Reaper:"see? That's how you're gonna survive down here, just... Just don't do the pin again, or atleast don't with the main braid, I've got some bent steel to fix now."

Act 7: we fall into one of the maintenance sectors, walk down a hallway, stitch behind glass with 5 outimals."be real with me, why are you here? It can't be to write wrongs, it can't be to destroy our heaven...maybe your conciseness finally got the better of you? You are a confusing one, aren't you?" The player has to do a battery puzzle, with 4 batteries to open doors, however the players have to listen to the doors overwise if they open the wrong one they'll get swarmed by outimals. "So you are smarter than the rocks beneath your feet...I can't let you follow through with poppys plan, even your own allies won't, the only part I agree with the reaper." The player continues down the halls, and have to power a hand scanner to open a Door, where we see stitch sitting behind another window. "There is nothing for you here, not now, not anymore. But you, you Truly are pathetic. Shall we see how you fare?" He punches the window, shoots you with the crossbow, and this next section is a series of power puzzles. You have to do 3 complex power puzzles to keep the outimals at bay, eventually we escape, multi puzzles, and pull a lever to open a door. We go down a hallway and morphic throws himself through yet another wall, the chase just picked back up as stitch sighs. Morphic lunges at the player multiple times during the chase, we have to drop stuff on him, but it doesn't matter except for slightly slowing him down from being faster than the player, but every time he'll break through the barricade or break through a wall in front of the player and lunge. Eventually we successfully lose him...until we have to scan the blue hand and he launches through the wall next to the door. The chase continues but it's even more intense now. We get cornered by morphic until reaper takes us from the ceiling into the vent as morphic hits his head on the wall. He takes his own way, and points for us to go a different way, so we do and eventually get out of the vents, and we see the shadow of the lion, until it passes by and it was just a little catnap toy... Then from right behind the player morphic approaches and does a sniff, before returning to the shadows...then we see him bar his teeth, and lunge at us. The chase is long and unlike the other, while he's still able to break through walls, he also disappeares into darkness, and can break the bars just like wibbler could, however while there is still an end point, it's a multipath maze so he can take different paths every time. The chase doesn't stop, he'll break through bars, floors, ceilings, walls, and more. After that we do the hallways stff where he breaks windows, and we have to drop stuff in him to slow him down. Eventually we get corned but reaper grabs us and throws us into a different hallway as morphic breaks through the wall where we were. We go down the hallway with reaper, try hand scanning a door, but reaper kicks it in. We get to a wall behind glass, pull a lever, and the hydrologic walls begin moving in as morphic tries to break through the glass, reaper is at the hole, on fire, and won't let morphic leave until morphic is crushed, and before reaper can be crushed he steps back. the door unlocks and we keep moving. As we go down a hallway we heatr a skittering of a giant rat, (this is a cutscenes) so we have to hide in a vent as we see his shadow. It's a bigger body touille the rat nightmare critter in the design of catnap, but with hands and the rat tail. We see as he grabs a Medium sized baba chops, wraps it in its tail, and walks away. (Cutscenes over) We then do a power puzzle and a gas pipe puzzle.

Act 8: we hear wibbler so we hide in a vent, but don't see him because if we go too deep his arm breaks through the vent and rips us at him. We get back out and do a power puzzle, a burning+freeze poppy gel+ shock in one, then we do a code puzzle. We then see 4 of the Prototypes hunters which are maws, attacking a bigger body catbee, They finish their meal, then all 4 lunge at the player. We get a short chase where 2 chase us, one blocks certain paths off, and another breaks vents so we can't move forward, their kinda slow, eventually making it into a couple hallways. We find a tape of how the Prototype made them after the hour of joy, using the same method for the small toys of being clones. Then a note about the graphing process of these maws, and how prototype calls them experiments 1506. We walk past a window into a flooded cave, floating in it is wibbler for 18.5 seconds, before darting at the window cracking it badly, screaming at it as his arms punch it, before swimming away. We keep moving, finding a keycard, we eventually reach a safe room, about to grab a key, but the click clack is hearnd nearby, but stitch frying pans us. "He's been waiting for you to come home, heretic, so don't keep the demon waiting." Stitch drags us somewhere as we black out. We wake up in a water filled sewage tunnel, specifically in the dry section, the way out has been barricaded. We have 60 seconds to get the pathway to the lower waterlogged section via a puzzle, at the other side click clack slowly getting closer, at 26 seconds there's a crunch sound. At 10 seconds Wibbler arrives and tilts it's head 58°, then 45°, opens its mouth a little bit, the arms come out, breaks through the other side bars, starting a chase, and this time, he's beyond angry. the player has to run under water, wibbler breaking through barred off sewage tunnels, occasionally losing us and refinding us, he's fast underwater, Nothing stops him from coming. Sometimes he'll do the stalking movements from before,going from one tunnel to another, before then refinding you. We escape the waters, but still in sewage tunnels, and wibbler grabs us, we have to yellow hand burn his mouth and keep running as he screams in pain. He sniffs us out occasionally from the ceiling, we have to run until he sniffs again. Eventually through medium size rooms we see he's chasing us, in tunnels he dead ends some of them, and sometimes tries to reach at us with the hands. We then reach an underwater sewer tunnel section where we have to turn 4 levers on to open a door, all while the angry olm is hot on our tail sometimes, other times he's confused and going around and breaking bars, again you can't cheese his sections. We escape again into a pitch black hall, click clacks in the hallway, so we have to hide in vents only lit up by glowby while he feels them out, one final sewer tunnel chase where he nearly corners us outside of water. Eventually we bait him into an industrial grinder where we see his organs, his plastic being crushed, and a lot of blood, it starts with his mouth arms behing crushed, he tries to pull away, but gets dragged in more and more, crushing him up. finally killing the olm once and for good.

Act 9: the players leave the grinder room, do a power puzzle to turn on the lights, then a pipe puzzle to direct the water to the boilers to heat it, then gas timing gig to get the gas concentrated, then a pressure hand to a glass window. There's a note about how all of the small toys are clones Then players have to jump a ravine, however a humanoid form amalgamation of primary huggy toys fur but some critters with the hair on the head of a human stops you from making it, it's called the stitch wraith, and the main named stitch still has his mask on. It hits the player with a frying pan, sending them into the rejects pit. The bottom of the pit is filled with dead toys, and 7 stitch wraiths rise from the piles and chase the player down a hall, we pressure hand a puzzle, so when one lunges, it gets impacted by a metal door flung open with it ripped open, so the metal goes straight through it. Eventually we kill 2 wraiths, one with a big plastic Axe made of pianosaurus, using a switch to light a gas canister and explode them, 4 more and they're stalking from the vents, 1 lunges and chases you with a double bladed axe, eventually getting the axe stuck and pressurizing it, sends the axe into its head. The next one rips a door off the wall, throws it at the player, and forces a retreat, where as this one's slow, it has a mechanical arm, as it walks down the hall, you have to use various puzzles like the gas hand, pressure hand, and flare and to keep closing doors, until we fill enough pressure in a jammed shoot it launches the stitch wraith into a wall, killing it instantly. The next one has mommy long legs arm equiped with sharp claws, so it's tearing up the halls with it, lunging, getting the element of surpirise, and more until we grind it up via the braid arm into an industrial grinder, while the stitch is on fire. The final one who isn't the main uses smoke bombs and gets the element of surprise, this is more skeletal and plastic, but we ment him down, still not enough, so we crush it with a press, and it dies. Lily watches from a distance, before the eyes going small, she lunges with a braid, misses, and grabs The reapers cloak, she takes the cloak, and freaks out at the sight of him having exposed organs, some burned, some scarred. Reaper:"oh, oh ok. Butcher I'll see you in a bit, I have to grab a new cloak, yeah you can keep that i have like 10 more." Ghost just walks out, and it grossess lily out, but she keeps the cloak.

Act 10: the player gets to the lift, takes it, and it opens to a medium size room, where the main one awaits. "So you are poppys angel, the playtime butcher, whatever. but to me, a simple mindless pathetic synthetic infection. call me stitch, (he takes the mask off, and with one hand shatters it, revealing his messed up face.) or for you, your demise. Your flesh will look nice stitched into my rot. " He lunges with a rusted scrap piece, right before the butcher leaves through a door, stitch shoots a makeshift crossbow at the butcher, making it so while stitch is weak right now, the player has to get back up before stitch can remove the scrap from the Wall. The door closes shut, as the player has to gas hand stitch, and pressure hand him into a wall, breaking it an zapping him, the more fried he gets the closer to death he is, while he can shoot back, smoke bomb with a dagger scrap, or battle axe made of scrap. Eventually he gets knocked out from the zaps. The Prototype reaches through a wall to grab stitch, who reaches his long legs hand out, only for the reaper without a cloak to crash through crushing the Prototypes hand and bending the long legs fingers Out of place, before then throwing knife pins stitch to the wall, breaks a wall, and we run down it. Stitch wakes back up, reapers got a plan, and the chase begins as reaper disappears. The chase is like all 7 but combined into 1 2.5 minute chase. At the end stitch and reaper have a duel, candy tries to strike the player but stitch throws a throwing knife and pins her braid. Stitch:"go back to your delusions dollfsce, he's mine! Or can you not decide who to be?" "Shut the hell up you stitched together FREAK!" Reaper said "Hmm, I could...NAH!" Stitch shoots him with the crossbow before a cinimatic fight scene. Eventually as reaper has stitch pinned, the butcher need to pressure hand his back, causing him to ignite, "GOD! PROTOTYPE HELP!" Stitch writhes in pain. Candy unpins herself. "SYNTHETIC INFECTION!" He finally gets back up, and has his outimals chase you out of the room. The player continues down the halls, having to do a pressure puzzle, where we find out the stitch wraith were orphans converted into monsters by the Prototype, because if he can't leave, nobody can.

Act 11: the player enters a room full of vents. Stitch over speakers:"Now where do you think your going, (he laughs) I can't let you leave, and I can't let you hurt my God! He was testing me, now, it's your testimony of pain (he laughs again) the flesh is rotting...but the soul spoiled years ago. The ghost won't save you, but my GODS divine intervention Will! (laugh) judgement day, the scraps are hungry. This road wasn't paved with good intentions, but I'll make sure you BURN IN HELL mother( speaker glitches out)" wrong side outimals start pouring out of the vents, the more that come, the harder it gets. You have to survive for 1:20, if the player is hit 4 times without healing...death, and the player survived. Stitch:"RAHH! YOU pathetic (breathing heavy) THIS IS YOUR END! I'll personally kill you, you insignificant SWINE!" 2 vents close, and as the player takes the only open one, stitch rips you out, and throws you at the other wall, beginning a chase where he'll shoot you if you get too far, stab you if you get too close, and you have to pull pipes down to buy time, ignite Red smoke to lose him for a second. At the end of the hall stitch grabs you, holds you over one of the boilers, and drops you onto a lower catwalk. "Messed up the calculations. I'LL DRAG YOU TO HELL!" he says angerly. He jumps down, the player pressure hands him off, but he climbs back on the catwalk some of his skin burned off, revealing the muscle underneath. He now runs faster than the player, using a battle axe, players have to drop pipes on him to slow him down as he cuts through them, release salt onto him, and more, players have to grab a meat hook with the pressure hand, and pressure hand it through his face, prototype using the long legs arm tries to help remove it. then before he can get off of it, gas hand him and the Prototype pulls away, and finally yellow hand burn a gasoline can, exploding it. From there when the dust settles we see his body mostly blown to bits. Prototype drags stitches body Away, or whatever is left.

Act 12: the player does puzzles, and we see a cloaked lily walk down a hallway, an outimal was about to strike, but seeing the cloak stops and runs away. We do a couple more puzzles, Once done we enter a hallway, multiple in fact. The crazy lily love braids found us, this time she's cloaked, with a tank top and sweat pants, with the candycat head tied to her waist, "I JUST WANTED FRIENDS, AND YOU HAVE TO RUIN ME?!" Lily says. "YOU'LL PAY FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE TO US!" Candy says. so we have to do a chase, of her breaking the floor, flying wall to wall, chasing us on her feet, and more, doing everything in her power to kill you, only for at the end, 1353 with a new cloak turns his lights white and get scratched by a braid, its barely visible and he can get it out. "That's enough, doll face. Killing him doesn't get you friends, it gets you a deal with the devil in a bloodbath." lily retreats back into the vents. He ushers the player inside, and quickly also comes in, from there he lights a smoke bomb in the vents, to get her to retreat farther. The reaper tells the player he's got business to attend to with the prototype, and that he has to go. The player scans their blue hand to open a door. As he enters, vents open, and ruined nightmare critters come out. the player must use his gas hand to temporarily knock them out, once we've knocked out enough, the door opens. Behind a wall: lily:"are we-are we the bad toys here?" Candy:"don't say that, we just need to kill the human and we're free." Lily:"but...but I only wanted friends." Candy:"he took away your only chance to leave this and be apart of the better place, he dropped the cloud on you." Lily:"why hasn't the freak tried to kill us yet?" Candy;"i...dont know, let's focus on killing the butcher and getting into the better place." Lily:"ok...but why did he let us keep his cloak?" Candy:"shut it, he has to be testing us, he has to be under the Prototype." the player will get chased by a swarm of white smiling critters. The player must do a find gear puzzle and forge the gear to access the elevator, and has to take an elevator up, and cross a ravine, they are now closer to the boiler.

Climax (act 13): We've reached near the hallway of the boiler, but 1353 is thrown through a wall by the 1006. "YOU LIED to me 1353" 1006 says. "I did what I had to, you won't listen to reason! And now your mad because your plan is crumbling, i tried to give you the blueprints for a lack of starvation, AND YOU SPIT IN MY FACE! Now you only have yourself to blame!" 1353 says. "YOU have no UsE to ME anyMORE" the 1006 exclaims. "Why is that because unlike you, I have a spine of compassion. You rule with fear oliver, wake up, because if you don't, nothing can last forever." 1353 says. The two duel it out before the prototype badly damages 1353, popping his arm out and disloacating it in 3 spots, and the occasional drop of blood. then prototype stares at us and starts the next chase, where we have freeze him to slow him down, pressure hand to bring down a pipe, blue hand to swing over pits, and more, with some good timing in between. We eventually get to the boiler room, pipes going up from boiling water, and a boss fight starts, the goal is to continue destroying the platforms he's on, and drop him into the lava, and using batteries to close vents that wrong side outimals crawl from. Maintain heat with the pressure hand, power puzzles when they happen, and using the yellow hand to freeze him and burn him. Eventually bringing him down into the boiling water, his lower legs begin to rust, and his mask cracked even more from hitting it, The protoype screams in pain, giblet throws gas on him and burns him alive, now revealing a part of a skeletal jaw and losing a little bit of clothing, revealing part of a ribcage, he runs out in pain. We finally lost him. ( the player has to returns to where the 1006 nearly killed 1353 to progress, they'd see a note saying 1353 isn't dead, but they'll meet again.)

Act 14: we do a couple more puzzles, head to the salvage room, and find the Omni hand with a single charge. Eventually we crawl through a vent where we hear and see the prototype telling chum that it was his plan to get the butcher to kill lily, she wouldn't fit in the better place, and chum gets back to work. We reach a hallway to the bigger bodies stitchery, lily comes smashing through the wall, "YOU, I was supposed to go to the better place, AND YOU RUINED IT!" The doctors confused but we run through the halls, gathering more and more information on what happened as we run from her, floor breaking, walls shattering, and in a vent above the reapers cloak goes in, from the start of the chase to here there's a blood trail, We reach it and scan the Omni hand, and as lily lunges toward us, the stitchery grabs her braids, and we pressure hand her into a chair, and it locks down on her and her braids, reaper pins a braid with the butt of the spear to weaken her. Lily maliciously to ghost:"we know why giblets all wrong side outed, but why do you have no skin, boney!" Reaper pokes his head down:"damn... I guess she's not worth fixing after all." Lily:"wait wait I'll be good!" Reaper:"will you though?" Lily/candy:"nah!" We now have to get the proper screws and replacement limbs from a catalog and put them into a shute for the doctor to use and repair her, aswell as using a red gas every now and then to calm her. her screams turn into soft groans, and once done, she looks almost good as new and exclaims how the prototype was going to let her go to the better place, the doctor starts laughing and lily asks what's so funny, ghost pulls his spear back and heads out, and does a big long sigh. Lily/candy: wait wh-" "Why would the protoype care about you, to him, your a pebble in a mountain, worthless to him. He left you to rot under that cloud Gracie, if he cared he would have came to you." The doctor said. "Because he's testing me, he said I could be the leader for the better place." The doctor takes over a screen and asks if she's seen the insides, which lily says no. The doctor starts showing what the inside of the better place looks like, kids with poppys growing from there, poppy in a new case, and a torn open kid and toy, showing the operation of turning one into a toy, outimals from chapter 5 being produced to near hundreds, and three maws guarding the case, One cam with 49 maws and another 2 being made on operating tables with organs suspended as we speak, one where huggy and kissy are being tortured, then shows the audio log of the prototype saying hes glad she's dead. She starts laughing maniacally, laughing into sobbing, then breaks the screen with her hair, her eyes are bloodshot like when we meet her, then the game cuts to black, and ends

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 7 days ago

Proving lily isn't insane by using psychology

(I think I got everything correct but I could be mistaken) Everything we'll be covering: the past, structural dissociative identity disorder, starvation to the system and fluid switching, why she isn't delusional, introjection and why candy exists, the future of her system (and what mob would do), the mental walls and layers, could she become Gracie again, the braid effect, when she met giblet, prisoners of war.

The past:

So to get you caught up, if you don't know Gracie green was an adult employee who conditioned the toys was captured by the Prototype and suffered 122 days of the torture she inflicted, causing Gracie so much trauma, tied with the fact she wasn't in her body anymore, she was in a doll body now which started her mental breaking, eventually creating lily as the innocent main personality, then 400+ days of isolation. we aren't sure what happened during that time, but we can assume that this was when candy was made, since candy is the remnant of Gracie green taken a new identity as candy. Then she's been isolated for 8 years on sweet street with only the rare visitor.

Structural dissociative identity disorder or primary structural dissociation?:

So let's begin on say the doll house before the tea party. She's mentally fractured and in a state of forced co consciousness which was deduced by the way she acts. Their at the stage where they can hear each other's thoughts and speak one at a time, in something known as co-fronting. Candy is a remnant of Gracie green, while lily is the more fronting personality. This happened due to the facts of A. She was no longer a human body, and had additional limbs, B. Significant trauma which broke Gracie into two halves, and C. Hundreds of days of isolation. It's not likely a structural dissociation of the personality in the secondary or tertiary levels, also known as DID or dissociative identity disorder, however after doing a lot of research, it physically can't be structural DID, and it's not OSDD, but then what is it? you see OSDD and DID have to happen at the age of 6 to 9, but Gracie was like mid thirties. The difference between her and realistic structural DID and OSDD is both have multiple alters, but she has a lily and she has a candy, and it also happened much later on for her, mid thirties. This means she has something known as primary structural dissociation, where the mind splits into exactly ONE ANP and ONE EP.. As someone's who met a couple, candy and lily seem like a healing primary structural dissociation case, a co conscious state. I've met one who blacks out, the other says something random, and it goes back to the main. Also fun fact, it's not like Jekyll and hyde, the aggressive side is actually the protective side, meaning candy and lily had been extremely tortured to the point where candy won't lower her guard for anyone. Fun fact, the Prototype forced candy to take control with that one smack he did, as that was physical trauma to the body, and candy would attack the first thing she would see, which in this case was us. That's why she has the chase at the end before we hit her with a 37 ton cloud...yes I found those numbers in previous research. God that was way too much research to prove a point of her not being a psycho.

Starvation to the system and fluid switching:

The Prototype gave her the bare minimum to eat, therefore never letting candy actually...what's the term...calm down. See because of the starvation she was in a constant state of alert. Hunger would have also made a major impact in who's surfaced, making her more unstable. Starvation shrinks the brains gray matter, especially the ones that are in emotional regulation, however by looking at her in game, while yes she talks to candy a lot through the mouth in a form of ventriloquism, candy also doesn't get an immediate outburst of rage the second we see her, the only time candy is at the body is the chase. Therefore she had to be fed more than the bare minimum. Meaning she was getting enough food to keep the ANP (apparently normal part. Aka Lily lovebraids side) stable enough. Notice how during Lily's crashout during the chase she says "this is all your fault!" And at the roof section "(sad sounding/lily) if I can't go to a better place (angry sounding/candy) you can't either!" This was the candy personality at play, or the emotional part/protector. Meaning lily the childlike personality was feeling what is known as a fluid switch. It means that her mental walls weren't just thin, they were dissolving under the stress of the chase. However this wasn't the only showing of the fluid switch, this happens at the end of the lights off section before the tea party: "(angry/candy) no no No! (Manic/lily) You can't leave. The party hasn't even started." By using this we can also figure out that when Lily said "you weren't talking to anyone, were you?" After we retrieve the crumpets from the basement, by using this evidence of the darker tone here, we can find out that was actually candy that said that. I just want to use one more dialogue to prove my point: (anger/candy) shut it! You've always been a bad toy (manic/lily) when he gets here, he'll see it too!" She says this to poppy over the glowby. During the toy collection section for the 3 toys at the tea party that was all lily. A lot of dialogue in game when Lily talks to us is mostly just her, but those were some parts I was able to identify when candy and lily speak. Candy is likely the one playing with the braids when shes in her idol pose, where one holds the candycat head while the other nips at it, all while the main braid sits back, this is called a dissociative trace, where while the body stays still, candy and lily use the braids in a self soothing almost, where they play via the braids as a means of interacting with each other. The fact the one braid nips at the candy cat head is either lily simply playing with it or the fact candy is also actively awake, possibly both.

Why she isn't delusional:

Now let's go jump back into the game and into the tea party scene, we saw how Prototype stabbed the candy cat head and suddenly lily wouldn't talk to her anymore, why? You might think that it's because candy doesn't exist, she never existed...right? But what if I told you the silence makes sense for if she was DID. In structural DID or primary structural dissociation where there's 2 personalities, a protector personality is sometimes tied to a physical object, this is actually the biggest part about her PSD case here. in fact this proves the 'shes just insane and isolated personality' argument falls apart. isolated people to the point of imagining toys as living breathing objects often ditch that when they meet someone as the brain registers that person as their new anchor, lily continues to talk to candy even when she stands in front of us. And it isn't delusional companion syndrome because that's actually what Ms delight is with barb, barb doesn't speak, theres no ventriloquism at play, nothing, meanwhile lily ventriloquism candy alive to speak, in delusional companion syndrome they never ventriloquist the toy to life, but is rather a voice in their head, but as lily gets her own thoughts as was shown in the chapter, it's a safe bet it isn't delusional companion syndrome. and when said object is gone? because they weren't healed to the point where they speak internally, lily is currently fronting while the protector knows what's coming and a little anger bleeds into lily at the moment, hence the sulk. She knows Prototype will do this, get candy plays along so the ANP doesn't shatter, and the EP can protect her by displace rage to you. Also fun to point out how lily enjoyed playing with us until prototype showed up, while behind doors when Lily was alone candy absolutely wanted us dead.

Introjection and why does candy exist:

Now there are people who think candy is an imaginary friend, someone she vents her bad thoughts through, and to that i say: Ever heard of introjection? Essentially both can be true, where she was so lonely she tried to create an imaginary friend. I also should have gone more into detail on candy's existence but it seems like the protector (candy) was more so modeled itself to be somewhat like Gracie, and usually the EP never normally have names, so why does candy? because candy is created by introjection, and most introjects take the name or a similar name of toy they're bound to be able to ventriloquist from, sometimes the names temporary, other times the names permanent. but getting back on track she was so lonely she tried to create an imaginary friend but because her mind was fractured and/or damaged with no contact, candy became a split personality who took the suppressed trauma. So because candy is basically Gracie with a different name in a way, yet still different, this is why sometimes she sounds mature then goes right back to childlike. However even still candy isn't a full 1:1 to gracie, she's more like a distilled version, see candy has the philosophy of "Gracie is dead, no longer her" because she's got the memory of Gracie, but is completely different. because of knowing this we also know the rhyme and reason candy attacked us, the protector personality even still would submit to the abuser, in this case the prototype, for survival reasons. Essentially lily doesn't know he's a bitch of a spider faced fucker (I despise the Prototype if it wasn't obvious) but candy does, yet her survival instincts force her to play along. This means candy experienced a displacement of rage, where rather than targeting the abuser, she goes for the 'safer' option that turned out to be the most destructive option. Prototype likely knew what he was doing, first he creates lily, isolates her and makes candy, then stabs the candy cat head to silence the closest thing to Gracie, even if its not her anymore, while still retaining Lily's loyalty, this way candy can't warn lily to get out of there, and force her into abuse of chasing us. but hold on, why does candy have her own thoughts? normally the EP in primary structural dissociation is just a trauma loop, right? (Ie. Military veterans or people who have been in car accidents) Well when the EP is forced to front for prolonged time (ie. Isolation, Human trafficking, multi year abusive relationship) the EP becomes a highly complex EP, maturing from a trauma loop to a genuine different person, turning something from a reflex into a person in a mind. Why does this make sense? We know candy wants to kill us but lily wants to be friends with us. The complex EP tend to have different perspectives than the ANP, example: candy:"we should kill them" lily;"noo, we can't. If we kill all our friends then we end up alone".

The future of her system (what would happen, but knowing mob likely won't let her heal safely):

So lets say Lily gets up, I recommend you read that link for the context but we proved lily wasn't dead. now the blunt force killed the mental walls, so lily is likely going to hate the fact she was Gracie, and over time that sweet is gonna go sour. Candy was essentially protecting lily, but because of the cloud we dropped, she can't anymore. So while candy and lily would still be separated, they'd be a lot more united in the fact they're forced to hear each other think at that stage. This is a process called blending, and if she wants to be stable again. Candy, who's the protector personality, would have to try and become a caretaker for the innocent personality, who in this case is lily, however for a very long time it's gonna be candy only, lily is going to be out for a while, but there's also the odds she doesn't get knocked out, or there's another odd that lily is just dead mentally leaving Candy... But we have a tool, you see I had done the research and found out her hands and lower face are made of silicone, with the body being polycarbonate, and grade 5 titanium skeleton. Why does this matter? This means she survived the 37 ton cloud from a crap ton of math, however the body (specifically the polycarb) will have spiderwebbed cracked that won't give because polycarb is amazing, but this actually shields lily from the pain as the brain focuses on one thing immediately and that's survival, only when the brain thinks Lily's ready will it give her the memories. "But Lily's childlike, she'd never be ready" well since the body isn't dead, cracks won't give but do hurt, lily can eventually reawaken and let candy front while lily watches, this way lily slowly mentally ages up and eventually she can co front with candy and blend. Whys this important? Well that's when the brain gives the memories as a way of saying "hey, don't be her". However this is MOB entertainment, they wouldn't let her heal happily, so what would happen? Well it would start with all candy as the fronting personality, but due to trauma of outside of sweet street lily gets ripped out of her mental safe zone, why? The EP isn't used to being alone, and needs the ANP there. This forces a co-front where she'd speak like one person, but is two personalities on The inside. Their mental state would be external layer and the layer where they can hear eachother think, this means neither has private thoughts, and because they don't have an anchor person, she doesn't get her private thought layers, forcing each other to hear each other. Now we already know they're like sisters in a body with how she externally speaks to herself, and more. This is the only thing keeping her from full blending into one bitter and terrified personality, is the fact both personalities like each other. This means if/when we see her, she'd hate us, she'd be crying while trying to kill us while also being afraid. Internally candy would be trying to help lily while killing us, so I wouldn't be surprised if we get a soft moment with her until she notices us. But back to psychology, lily would hate her body and herself after the cloud, becoming a wildcard because nobody deserves her trust after the prototype, giblet, and now the player all hurt her. But if she hears someone wanting her dead she'd go into crying in a ball in the corner, this is where the player *could* try to recruit her... But don't count me that mob will let us be happy for more than two seconds

The mental walls and the layers:

So candy would have to become a sister of sorts to lily...oh wait she already acts like one in chapter 5...that explains why lily sometimes laughs for no reason, ok...that also explains why they talk so much. So because of that it seems like lily had already started bleeding into candy through the healing phases, of not even having to hear the thing that made her laugh, yet she laughs anyway, This implies lily was already healing in a way. now let's talk, when candy and lily co-front the body, both are active, you might think that then means neither personality can just... leave, right? well it doesn't entirely work like that, in putting it into simpler terms so it's easier to understand, let's use Minecraft. the body is a shared server, however each personality also has their own private server. How? Well when one personality decides to step out, they aren't going into the void, rather each personality has their own mental safe place where they could go, this leaves the other personality to full front, with no additions in speaking from the other personality, and when in a blended state both personalities can hear each other think in real time, have internal conversations, and speak externally as one. This is when personalities will sometimes go into their private spaces, putting up the mental walls so the fronted personality thinks about things without hearing the other personalities thoughts, and vise versa for the other personality. So when she's stable this is how structural DID work. They have 3 layers, the external layer where she speaks like one person, the internal communication layer where the personalities can talk, and then the third layer where they have private internal thoughts so the other cant hear. This is actually what we want lily to become, as right now it's private thought layers, rare bleeds into each other, and the external layer

Could she become Gracie again?:

The short answer is no. Shes dead, and once lily knows she's her without healing beforehand, she'd scream and cry for a bit before either wanting to make wrongs right with candy and everyone she's accidentally abused like giblet, poppy, or us while under Prototype to prove she isn't Gracie anymore, the second path is becoming overly attached to the first person who validates her or helps her for not looking at her as Gracie, and third is becoming more of a wildcard. But we could get close, we know Gracie liked rock music, so while you might think lily would be more into pop, in her in game and future state she'd be actually into rock, for her it'd be like a good memory she doesn't remember.

The braid effect:

So some people think when they were playing her braids were moving separately, and to that I say your sometimes right, but first those braids actlually help us answer the question of why can't she be Gracie again, and that's because while the brain is adaptive and could maybe learn extra limbs, the fact she isn't in her skin, has additional limbs, and more now is what perma killed Gracie and made lily and eventually candy. But basically because those braids are what we're holding the candy cat head, candy was controlling that braid fro ventriloquism and to somewhat show in the real world, so when candy had her anchor object stabbed, this caused her to be forced out of control of the braid, and lily had to take control of it.

When she met giblet for the QnA:

this is after the lily lovebraids and giblet answer questions video: by using psychology we could deduce the EP hasn't been spawned from isolation yet as it's only lily speaking, so this probably takes place about 80-100 days in, however this could also be after the 400+ days, since in psychology the EP (candy in this case) is typically tied to a physical object to ventriloquist into words, since she didn't grab the cat head candy couldn't speak. with the post being dated to may 7 2004 on the video, this means candy exists at this time, but rarely bleeds into the emotions and is in fact tied to a physical object so she can ventriloquist into words, just like a structural dissociative identity disorder. But let's talk about lily here during the giblet&lily Q&A. She knows why giblet got wrong sided, yet still adds a little bit of malice to her words, not even candy blending into those words those were just lily's words, her whole "i want friends" narrative falls apart when you realize she tried twice to dig up giblets trauma for being wrong side out, and she insults him twice. Maybe on some of those insults especially the last one maybe candy added a little malice to her words, but the rest of it is all lily. literally during the question about friends, which was the first question, lily said this:" do wrong siders even get to have friends?" so she knows giblet is wrong side out, she knows a lot about it. example with lily adding a bit of malice to it to giblet:" you know, why'd you get wrong sided, why'd they (likely candy adding the anger here:) kick. You. Out!", but this one does support my case that lily doesn't know she's being abused by Prototype, and it's when giblet reads her the question of why does she like prototype, and giblet likes that question. lily:"what's there to say? He's amazing!" Then she goes on to ramble about in the conditioning room where her mind snapped was when she was "all better" then the "gift" of the dollhouse and isolation, and more. When we use structural dissociative identity disorder, the ANP (in this case lily) takes some parts of the personality of Gracie, so she's not all cheery, she just puts on a show but in reality might not be as manic when others aren't around, while the EP (in this case candy) takes the trauma and memories so lily can exist.

Is her mental state realistic?/prisoners of war:

so after doing a lot of research, it's not structural DID, and it's not OSDD, but then what is it? you see OSDD and DID have to happen at the age of 6 to 9, but Gracie was like mid thirties. The difference between her and realistic structural DID and OSDD is both have multiple alters, but she has a lily and she has a candy, and it also happened much later on for her, mid thirties. This means she has something known as primary structural dissociation, where the mind splits into exactly ONE ANP and ONE EP. but normally the EP is a trauma loop, unless it's prolonged trauma, which makes the EP become a complex EP, hence why candy can exist. But you wanna know the crazy part? It's not that she's a multi braid limb doll, no. It's the fact almost everything I've described here is actually accurate to prisoners of war, and highly traumatized people, meaning if we strip her of the braids, the doll body and slap her in a human body, this is actually fully realistic of real life trauma cases. And even more impressive I used a lot of methods that people used to find out if they are DID by doing way too much research. there are analyst who use the vocal stuff, the object talking, and more to figure out if someone is a primary structural dissociation, and MOB genuinely fed me good here with enough in game dialogue and how she acts to the point where this isn't a coincidence, she isn't some crazy doll, she is essentially a prisoner of war (they split into a child alter and like their abuser, while the EP holds the trauma, however without introjection the EP doesn't have a name) given the ability for introjection to happen. Genuinely at this point is this a theory or a whole on psycho analysis... this all started because my attention deficit disorder was bored 3 months ago, and I didn't stop digging, I hit history psychology books to see how prisoners of war acted, I hit my local library for Jekyll and hyde to see the difference between her and that story, hit the internet and re-read multiple articles to make sure the facts align with each other, I mean heck this took me god knows how long of sleepless nights...

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 21 days ago
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I was bored so here's Lily lovebraids psychology [updated!!!]

Alright this took me a while to update, but here it is! I'm glad they finally have the Q&A video out, as that helps me with what type of case she is. Tell me what you guys think! its got newly updated facts, relooking at my previous work, and more.

So to get you caught up, if you don't know Gracie green was an adult employee who conditioned the toys was captured by the Prototype and suffered 122 days of the torture she inflicted, causing Gracie so much trauma, tied with the fact she wasn't in her body anymore, she was in a doll body now which started her mental breaking, eventually creating lily as the innocent main personality, then 400+ days of isolation. we aren't sure what happened during that time, but we can assume that this was when candy was made, since candy is the remnant of Gracie green taken a new identity as candy. Eventually becoming the 1468 we love.

So let's begin on say the doll house before the tea party. She's mentally fractured and in a state of forced co consciousness which was deduced by the way she acts. Their at the stage where they can hear each other's thoughts and speak one at a time, in something known as co-fronting. Candy is a remnant of Gracie green, while lily is the more fronting personality. This happened due to the facts of A. She was no longer a human body, and had additional limbs, B. Significant trauma which broke Gracie into two halves, and C. Hundreds of days of isolation. It's more likely a structural dissociation of the personality in the secondary or tertiary levels, also known as DID or dissociative identity disorder. As someone's who met a couple, candy and lily seem like a healing DID case, a co conscious state. I've met one who blacks out, the other says something random, and it goes back to the main. Also fun fact, it's not like Jekyll and hyde, the aggressive side is actually the protective side, meaning candy and lily had been extremely tortured to the point where candy won't lower her guard for anyone. Fun fact, the Prototype forced candy to take control with that one smack he did, as that was physical trauma to the body, and candy would attack the first thing she would see, which in this case was us. That's why she has the chase at the end before we hit her with a 37 ton cloud...yes I found those numbers in previous research. God that was way too much research to prove a point of her not being a psycho.

The Prototype gave her the bare minimum to eat, therefore never letting candy actually...what's the term...calm down. See because of the starvation she was in a constant state of alert. Hunger would have also made a major impact in who's surfaced, making her more unstable. Starvation shrinks the brains gray matter, especially the ones that are in emotional regulation, however by looking at her in game, while yes she talks to candy a lot through the mouth in a form of ventriloquism, candy also doesn't get an immediate outburst of rage the second we see her, the only time candy is at the body is the chase. Therefore she had to be fed more than the bare minimum. Meaning she was getting enough food to keep the ANP (apparently normal part. Aka Lily lovebraids side) stable enough. Notice how during Lily's crashout during the chase she says "this is all your fault!" And at the roof section "(sad sounding/lily) if I can't go to a better place (angry sounding/candy) you can't either!" This was the candy personality at play, or the emotional part/protector. Meaning lily the childlike personality was feeling what is known as a fluid switch. It means that her mental walls weren't just thin, they were dissolving under the stress of the chase. However this wasn't the only showing of the fluid switch, this happens at the end of the lights off section before the tea party: "(angry/candy) no no No! (Manic/lily) You can't leave. The party hasn't even started." By using this we can also figure out that when Lily said "you weren't talking to anyone, were you?" After we retrieve the crumpets from the basement, by using this evidence of the darker tone here, we can find out that was actually candy that said that. I just want to use one more dialogue to prove my point: (anger/candy) shut it! You've always been a bad toy (manic/lily) when he gets here, he'll see it too!" She says this to poppy over the glowby.

During the toy collection section for the 3 toys at the tea party that was all lily. A lot of dialogue in game when Lily talks to us is mostly just her, but those were some parts I was able to identify when candy and lily speak. Candy is likely the one playing with the braids when shes in her idol pose, where one holds the candycat head while the other nips at it, all while the main braid sits back, this is called a dissociative trace, where while the body stays still, candy and lily use the braids in a self soothing almost, where they play via the braids as a means of interacting with each other. The fact the one braid nips at the candy cat head is either lily simply playing with it or the fact candy is also actively awake, possibly both. If any licensed professionals would like to chime in and help with the psychological aspect, much appreciated.

Now let's go jump back into the game and into the tea party scene, we saw how Prototype stabbed the candy cat head and suddenly lily wouldn't talk to her anymore, why? You might think that it's because candy doesn't exist, she never existed...right? But what if I told you the silence makes sense for if she was DID. In structural DID where there's 2 personalities, a protector personality is sometimes tied to a physical object, this is actually the biggest part about her DID case here. in fact this proves the 'shes just insane and isolated personality' argument falls apart. isolated people to the point of imagining toys as living breathing objects often ditch that when they meet someone as the brain registers that person as their new anchor, lily continues to talk to candy even when she stands in front of us. And it isn't delusional companion syndrome because that's actually what Ms delight is with barb, barb doesn't speak, theres no ventriloquism at play, nothing, meanwhile lily ventriloquism candy alive to speak, in delusional companion syndrome they never ventriloquist the toy to life, but is rather a voice in their head, but as lily gets her own thoughts as was shown in the chapter, it's a safe bet it isn't delusional companion syndrome. and when said object is gone? because they weren't healed to the point where they speak internally, lily is currently fronting while the protector knows what's coming and a little anger bleeds into lily at the moment, hence the sulk. She knows Prototype will do this, get candy plays along so the ANP doesn't shatter, and the EP can protect her by displace rage to you. Also fun to point out how lily enjoyed playing with us until prototype showed up, while behind doors when Lily was alone candy absolutely wanted us dead.

Now there are people who think candy is an imaginary friend, someone she vents her bad thoughts through, and to that i say: Ever heard of introjection? Essentially both can be true, where she was so lonely she tried to create an imaginary friend. I also should have gone more into detail on candy's existence but it seems like the protector (candy) was more so modeled itself to be somewhat like Gracie, and usually the EP of a dissociative identity disorder or OSDD never normally have names, so why does candy? because candy is created by introjection, and most introjects take the name or a similar name of toy they're bound to be able to ventriloquist from, sometimes the names temporary, other times the names permanent. but getting back on track she was so lonely she tried to create an imaginary friend but because her mind was fractured and/or damaged with no contact, candy became a split personality who took the suppressed trauma. So because candy is basically Gracie with a different name in a way, yet still different, this is why sometimes she sounds mature then goes right back to childlike. However even still candy isn't a full 1:1 to gracie, she's more like a distilled version. because of knowing this we also know the rhyme and reason candy attacked us, the protector personality even still would submit to the abuser, in this case the prototype, for survival reasons. Essentially lily doesn't know he's a bitch of a spider faced fucker (I despise the Prototype if it wasn't obvious) but candy does, yet her survival instincts force her to play along. This means candy experienced a displacement of rage, where rather than targeting the abuser, she goes for the 'safer' option that turned out to be the most destructive option.

So lets say Lily gets up, I recommend you read that link for the context but we proved lily wasn't dead. now the blunt force killed the mental walls, so lily is likely going to hate the fact she was Gracie, and over time that sweet is gonna go sour. Candy was essentially protecting lily, but because of the cloud we dropped, she can't anymore. So while candy and lily would still be separated, they'd be a lot more united in the fact they're forced to hear each other think at that stage. This is a process called blending, and if she wants to be stable again. Candy, who's the protector personality, would have to try and become a caretaker for the innocent personality, who in this case is lily, however for a very long time it's gonna be candy only, lily is going to be out for a while, but there's also the odds she doesn't get knocked out, or there's another odd that lily is just dead mentally leaving Candy... But we have a tool, you see I had done the research and found out her hands and lower face are made of silicone, with the body being polycarbonate, and grade 5 titanium skeleton. Why does this matter? This means she survived the 37 ton cloud from a crap ton of math, however the body (specifically the polycarb) will have spiderwebbed cracked that won't give because polycarb is amazing, but this actually shields lily from the pain as the brain focuses on one thing immediately and that's survival, only when the brain thinks Lily's ready will it give her the memories. "But Lily's childlike, she'd never be ready" well since the body isn't dead, cracks won't give but do hurt, lily can eventually reawaken and let candy front while lily watches, this way lily slowly mentally ages up and eventually she can co front with candy and blend. Whys this important? Well that's when the brain gives the memories as a way of saying "hey, don't be her".

So candy would have to become a sister of sorts to lily...oh wait she already acts like one in chapter 5...that explains why lily sometimes laughs for no reason, ok...that also explains why they talk so much. So because of that it seems like lily had already started bleeding into candy through the healing phases, of not even having to hear the thing that made her laugh, yet she laughs anyway, This implies lily was already healing in a way. now let's talk, when candy and lily co-front the body, both are active, you might think that then means neither personality can just... leave, right? well it doesn't entirely work like that, in putting it into simpler terms so it's easier to understand, let's use Minecraft. the body is a shared server, however each personality also has their own private server. How? Well when one personality decides to step out, they aren't going into the void, rather each personality has their own mental safe place where they could go, this leaves the other personality to full front, with no additions in speaking from the other personality, and when in a blended state both personalities can hear each other think in real time, have internal conversations, and speak externally as one. This is when personalities will sometimes go into their private spaces, putting up the mental walls so the fronted personality thinks about things without hearing the other personalities thoughts, and vise versa for the other personality.

this is after the lily lovebraids and giblet answer questions video: by using psychology we could deduce the EP hasn't been spawned from isolation yet as it's only lily speaking, so this probably takes place about 80-100 days in, however this could also be after the 400+ days, since in psychology the EP (candy in this case) is typically tied to a physical object to ventriloquist into words, since she didn't grab the cat head candy couldn't speak. with the post being dated to may 7 2004 on the video, this means candy exists at this time, but rarely bleeds into the emotions and is in fact tied to a physical object so she can ventriloquist into words, just like a structural dissociative identity disorder. But let's talk about lily here during the giblet&lily Q&A. She knows why giblet got wrong sided, yet still adds a little bit of malice to her words, not even candy blending into those words those were just lily's words, her whole "i want friends" narrative falls apart when you realize she tried twice to dig up giblets trauma for being wrong side out, and she insults him twice. Maybe on some of those insults especially the last one maybe candy added a little malice to her words, but the rest of it is all lily. literally during the question about friends, which was the first question, lily said this:" do wrong siders even get to have friends?" so she knows giblet is wrong side out, she knows a lot about it. example with lily adding a bit of malice to it to giblet:" you know, why'd you get wrong sided, why'd they (likely candy adding the anger here:) kick. You. Out!", but this one does support my case that lily doesn't know she's being abused by Prototype, and it's when giblet reads her the question of why does she like prototype, and giblet likes that question. lily:"what's there to say? He's amazing!" Then she goes on to ramble about in the conditioning room where her mind snapped was when she was "all better" then the "gift" of the dollhouse and isolation, and more.

so basically in summary of everything we've talked about, candy is tied to a physical object, and only when Lily picks it up can candy take control on the voice but not the full body, but secretly candy is awake, and since lily was torturing giblet, candy had no need to front at this time because proto hates giblet, so to her this would get her on the good graces of Prototype. Now candy is more hyper vigilant in the mind after giblet escaped, hence why she didn't want us to leave when she blended into lilies words because she didn't want us to leave because if we left candy would have to live in fear of the Prototype. Candy was created by introjection, hence why shes named candy instead of "the aggressive one" as without introjection the EP never normally has a name. furthermore candy was the one who fronted during the chase until the cloud, when they confronted. lily taking the body and candy taking the braids, since candy also takes the physical pain unless it's major, that's why they were squirming as lily was accidentally hurting candy without knowing.

But you wanna know the crazy part? It's not that she's a multi braid limb doll, no. It's the fact almost everything I've described here is actually accurate to prisoners of war, and highly traumatized people, meaning if we strip her of the braids, the doll body and slap her in a human body, this is actually fully realistic of real life trauma cases. And even more impressive I used a lot of methods that people used to find out if they are DID by doing way too much research. there are analyst who use the vocal stuff, the object talking, and more to figure out if someone is a structural dissociative identity disorder, and MOB genuinely fed me good here with enough in game dialogue and how she acts to the point where this isn't a coincidence, she isn't some crazy doll, she is essentially a prisoner of war (they split into a child alter and like their abuser, while the EP holds the trauma, however without introjection the EP doesn't have a name) given the ability for introjection to happen. Genuinely at this point is this a theory or a whole on psycho analysis... this all started because my attention deficit disorder was bored 3 months ago, and I didn't stop digging, I hit history psychology books to see how prisoners of war acted, I hit my local library for Jekyll and hyde to see the difference between her and that story, hit the internet and re-read multiple articles to make sure the facts align with each other, I mean heck this took me god knows how long of sleepless nights... I'm on a decent sleep schedule now!

In summary of lily's existence, she isn't scary, and no surface level digging is going to help you. But when you hit the books, you realize what she is, you keep looking and you feel sorry for her, the fear comes from her well being and wanting her to be ok when you pull the layers back.

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Poppy playtime chapter 7 AU

Read the Chapter 6 au first so you can learn about the characters: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoppyPlaytime/comments/1tjrg6q/my_version_of_chapter_6/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lilylovebraids_fans/comments/1stwttr/i_was_bored_so_heres_lily_lovebraids_psychology/ I used my Psychology of lily/candy for writing lily lovebraids

Chapter 7 Name: psychotic ambition

Act 1: the game starts in the surgery room with lily on the bed, doc on the glowby, and giblet nowhere to be seen. Harley:"listen up, I need you to find 1353, based on everything I have, we don't have everything required to kill 1006." Lily:"k-kill the Prototype?!" In a vent we can see reapers disbodied arm crawl back in after it left an earpiece, lily uses a braid. Candy aggro:"you expect us to help you? After what you did?!" Harlrey:"help? Why this was implied, otherwise I would have let the playtime butcher (the player) kill you...now get moving." The player then does the tutorial, and heads to the compactor in the scrapyard and gets the flare hand back, as we have to make this one by using the molding machines by finding a box of pellets and going to a molding machine, this flare hand is purple. We eventually find reaper in the scrapyard fixing his main arm with the rusted arm attached to himself. Reaper:"I'm kind of busy, what?" Doctor:"your shift isn't over." Reaper:"I'm aware Harley, but I'm currently fixing my main arm. What do you need?" Doctor:"information." Reaper:"literally we killed stitch and morphic together, by now you should know I don't know how to kill him...but I know someone who can. First we need to turn on the power to get to the maintenance scectors, then take a maintenance tunnel to the north wing jail cells, 170 feet up... But he's dangerous." The player then leaves to do a power puzzle with lily, candy wants to kill the player but lily won't allow it. She helps us with a code puzzle to open a door by finding one digit, then a second. Lily:"ghost says he's got business for Me." Candy:"but if you stop for a second, I front and kill you where you stand, clear?" Lily:"a little less aggressively, but she will, and I'm not going to stop her because you dropped a metal cloud on me!" Lily heads back and the player has to fight off a pack of ruined nightmare critters through the vents. We do a power puzzle, pressure hand a glass window into a break room, where we learn of experiment 1319, a psychotic child named Jason who was turned into stellar spark and went through 74 days of conditioning, we find out he didn't kill for food. On a tape we hear prototype worried because spark killed 87 toys in one day, 4 of them were bigger bodies, and plans on a meeting with other leader toys to lock spark away, so reaper did the dirty business. we scan a blue hand before reaching the maintenance sectors.

Act 2: we reach the maintenance sectors, and see the bigger body touille the rat who's basically skin and bones like catnap was runs by a hallway, we do a power puzzle, and see touille looking at us before scurrying away, we keep moving and have to do a find a battery puzzle, which was on the other side of glass we had to blast open with the pressure hand. Touille pins us to the floor, takes the yellow hand from us and wraps it in his tail, then with one hand grabs us, and throws us away before continuing moving. We do a flare hand section to keep ruined smiling and nightmare away, before we then have to use meathooks to pry a metal door open, but we get into a stalker section with touille where to get by we have to explode barrels to distract him without him seeing us, he'll check everywhere in 6 connected rooms, even vents, his check spots wil always be random so you can't hide forever. The goal here is to get 4 digits of a code, but the order isn't said so it'll take longer to figure out, the good part is you can temporarily close the door if you put a battery in, but you also need said battery for power and freeze puzzles so it makes it tough. Eventually we get the door open, touille breaks the door down and we get chased by toulle and linger at by ruined nightmare critters, mostly touille, but with 4 types of touille toys it's evident that playtime co used them to experiment on an experiment, the live tests before anything major. Eventually we get into a vent, touille reaches for us, but if we're far enough down he can't get us. We move down the vents, having to flare off ruined nightmare critters like baba chops toys or Maggie makos, but because their ruined their more terrifying. We head through the maintenance tunnels where we occasionally get jumped by mini huggies, have to do a gas puzzle, and open the door where we see mommy long legs upper torso and head on a stitchery bed, we keep moving, get jumped by touille, he gets us on the ground, notices something, and runs off. We keep moving and find reaper sitting there, lily changed into a tank top and shorts, still with the cloak though. lilies head on his lap as reapers in a hoodie and sweatpants, Lily's looking up. Giblet waits in the corner because he's scared. Reaper:"touille hunted you as well I take it? He's claimed this is his sector...don't worry though, he's dumb enough to follow the prototype. (On the elevator now, dialogue continues when player gets on, reaper carries lily) We're meeting up with the hollow one, twins he likes to play mind games so you and giblet stay near the elevator. Me, the doctor, and the butcher will interegate spark, ok?" Giblet:"I'm not a hero bu-" candy:"shut up! We're getting a headache over here." Reaper:"giblet if you say I'm not a hero one more time I will rip your organs through your mouth, toys like you are gonna get us killed here. (She gets down, and flicks reaper with a braid) As much as I hate him, we need sparks knowledge to kill touille, the prototype, and more. But we do it while he's caged, he's a serial killer, but he's a smart one." He then flicks her back, giblet looks confused, Harley sighs.

Act 3: we walk out, lily/candy still wants to go with reaper and for the first time, reaper looks... Nervous? We go to a control panel, where on a security camera we see sparks cell and him keeping his heartbeat low and drawing. We help reaper get the door open into the north wing jail cells. We walk past 2 cells with just bars with crazy toys like bobby bearhug and pianosaurus, then we get to one with a titanium door and a peep hole. Spark: The head is two big black holes for eyes like catnaps but smaller to the head size with 2 slightly bigger than catnaps inner eyes inside, like catnaps head even with the big mouth, his color is dark blue with light blue hands and belly. He's a humanoid toy with a catnap inspired style head minus the ears and necklace. 5 fingers per hand, and his feet are just toeless dark blue feet, and a much smaller smile, his eyes glow blue when he's excited so he uses calm music to keep his heartbeat low, and a much more demented design. He wears gray boots, a wristband, and his in game look is much dirtier. Reaper:"I know you're in there spark, we come for information on how to kill touille in his home, the maintenance sectors." Spark:"right you are, Alex. Tell me, how does the world feel when you can't even touch the people you love?" Doctor:"enoug-" spark:"Lets stick to the arrangements, Harley sawyer I tell you what you want to know but you tell me what I want. It's quid pro quo, simple? Now let me say it again, how does the world feel when you can't even touch the people you love?" Reaper:"it hurts, there. Now tell us how to kill touille." Spark:" so much honestly, but you didnt specifiy (eyes start to glow blue) which version of the truth you wanted. (Eyes go back off) You want to kill touille? You don't do it with a spear, you kill it with its own hunger. Harley, quid pro quo. Why did you select me, Jason smith, for the biggger bodies initiave? Was it the eyes, my efficiency, or the way I smiled when I ripped emilies eye out, forcing me into isolation as you turned her into one of the ms Delight sisters, specifically experiment 1184 D?" Harley:"it was leiths choice!" Spark:"LIES! You know it was you who did this, I mearly wish to know the truth about me. For Emily's case it was her survival, but what is my case Harley saywer, experiment number 1354, the doctor." Reaper:"tell us the info first, and make it actually useful info...tried to tell you Harley, coming here was a dangerous move." Lily/candy:"we're gonna go over here and into the control room (angerly) we don't need him revealing more to me." Spark:"very well, smartest thing the shattered mirror has said and done...now tick tock Harley sawyer." Harley:"we needed someone who could police the bigger bodies without remorse." Spark:"was that so hard? The rat has a taste for flesh and status, but you don't get the game master to lose to his own game, you make him lose to a different game." Reaper:"well I'm gonna regret this but how? How do we kill him." Spark:" I'll bite (teeth literally come out of his mouth, Razor sharp before retracting into his mouth) this time the meat bag from the surface. You killed the Prototypes enforcer, the dough of safe haven, the cat of playcare, the queen of the game station, but have you killed the dark one?" The players camera shakes left and right meaning no. Spark:"of course, (eyes blue) one killer at a time I suppose, (eyes off) the rat king won't falter easy, play your cards, maybe you'll get a royal flush. But I need something before we keep this characde up, it lies on the marketing sector. A mere switch flicked "

Act 4: we re meet up with lily in the control room. Reaper:"this is why we didn't have giblet interact with him." Giblet:"what happened?" Reaper stares red eyed at giblet, candy stares at him tiny eyed. Doctor:"we got systematically destroyed and he probably would have turned you into a crying ball of inside out skin or used you to free himself after breaking you." Reaper:"no offense gib, but mentally you're weak, he was bad enough to make lily...candy... I'll call them the twins, anyway he forced them into the control room without even saying a word to her." Lily:"it's bad enough I have some memories of Gracie now (giblet gets scared at that name, reaper seems to not care), but I don't need someone to say them out loud." Reaper:"speaking of that, you good?" Candy:"we're decent." Reaper:"honestly? Good. He takes weakness and uses it, so for your sake, leaving was the right call." Candy:"it doesn't feel right, I mean Gracie broke your jaw, (starting to panic) and we don't want to be her again." Reaper:"look at me, firstly I forgive you, second you aren't your past, and third it's became the reason I can survive down here, hiding in this skull I have 3 smoke bombs ready, a card deck, and daggers. if I had a jaw I couldn't remove my skull to get them, now could I? It's fine to still be twins you know." Candy:"lily is currently crying internally, so if the butcher makes a wrong move, I get to kill him." Reaper:"not yet, he may be a psychopath I think, but he's on our side. Plus that's all he knows about him, even stitch tried to find a nerve, and failed...alright let's do this, butcher and doctor you'll go back to the maintenance sectors (hears something in the vents) never mind, touille decided he hasn't had enough I guess. twins, gib, your with me. We're gonna go rewire some doors to make sure he gets the ability to run and get to certain parts." The player leaves the room, does a power puzzle with the blue and red hands To open a door, then has to light a gas canister With the flare hand to explode a cracked wall. Lilies braid comes through a vent, holding a battery and lets us grab it from her so we can progress.

Act 5: we enter the caves again, their salt caves. We walk among a catwalk, and on a 2 way split on a section we can see there's a statue of scrap like the Prototypes except rather than being by catnap for prototype, it's by touille for himself who's placing a rat tail on it until you get close then he runs away. The statue has a lot of toys on it in his shape, even having a small body baba chop head where his would be, it's the head of the nightmare critter the doctor uses in chapter 4. On one of the statues hand there's the yellow hand, completely damaged. we go through the first door, and into the creative rooms where they designed toys, the door closes behind us, we find a keycard in one of the 3 rooms we have access to, and go into another room via door. Tape:" today we are testing experiment 1284 or touille the rat on his cognitive morality function. Touille do you know what those are in front of you? (Touille:"toys.") Good, so it speaks. Rarely anyway, anywho touille you have to find out which toys are alive and which are inanimate, find the inanimate. Begin test (touille after 8 seconds:"C.") correct." in front of you is 3 toys, each tied into a door, if you open the door, you rip the toy in half. The door with the battery in it has a regular toy on it, the others have alive toys on them, The way you tell is by shooting the toy with a flare, if it burns slightly and slightly moved in pain, it's alive, these are morality tests. If we get it wrong he'll break through a cracked wall and kill us, if we get it right he lets us continue. We open the door with the battery, and go through a hole in the wall. We end up in another room of the morality test he set up, but with 5 toys and 1 is inanimate. Touille sits behind a boarded off door watching us here. We get the battery and open a door, touille slams a fist on the floor, then releases his gray smoke from his mouth, and the next section is a stalker section like act 2 where we have to find a code to open a door without a specific setup in 7 rooms. The 3 digits have lights on them that will go out for 20 seconds after being on for 20 seconds, and touille will check everywhere randomly, even under desks, the goal here is to open a safe and get a big blue battery to open a door. Any flare hand shot alerts him, but you also need to do it to get a mini damaged nightmare critter off your tail, meaning you have to shoot, and hide before he gets to you.

Act 6: We get the blue battery, pull a switch to give power to the marketing sector, and escape back into the caves with his statue, touille walks over to our exit and shakes his head in disapproval, then walks back inside. The other walkways light lights up "to: marketing sector." We walk in, and it's a bunch of marketing stuff, things like backdrops and more in this room for marketing toys. Toiulle's tail comes from a vent, leaves a tape, and heads back into the vent. Upon putting the tape into glowby, we find out the prototype scavaged the remains of The delights, and found 3 delights had their brains in tact, prototype had stitch kill 1 and use that ones parts to fix the other 2, then shocked them alive, he keeps the cleaner one in his better place while he let catnap have the other, and catnap already had one so he gave it to touille. We then see Ms delight, broken face, 1 eye, eyepatch over the other eye, and ditched the teacher look for a torn up straight jacket with the arm stuff shorted to become a shirt. She passes the hallway. Ms crude over speakers (this Ms delight. She sounds like the ms delights from chapter 3):" well look what the rat dragged in. Is that... Oh... Aw man, your still alive? Touille has gotten weak, or did you out spite him?" We open a door, Ms crude hits us back with a wooden bat with metallic plate on the hitting part and slams the door shut. We do a power puzzle and only then does she attack us, this section is a chase secquence whenre sometime we have to close doors, she breaks them after a bit, we jump ravines but she meathooks to the other side, eventually we crush her but she doesn't die and instead heads back, we flip the switch and take the long way to the north wing, where the Prototypes hunters called maws found us. Maws are a smaller amalgamation typically 6-8 feet tall, while uncommon they are 4 legged monsters created by the Prototype with a barbed toothed tail, the skin is mini huggy Fur and smiling critter corpses all painted either red, black, gray, or blue. Wide headed mouth with 2 huggy style eyes on the top of The head. Teeth and claws razor sharp. Anywho we get chased by 8 coordinated maws, 3 chasing us down halls, 2 cutting us off on paths so we have to take vents, one breaking hand scanners, one breaking vents, and one sometimes running at us head on from the dark and forcing us to take another path, and all of them are fast.

Act 7: reaper:"alright here's the plan. Twins you stay here, giblet doesn't believe he's that bad, so we're taking him to the cell to prove to him that spark is that bad." Lily/candy nods in understandment, and we head to his cell. Spark:"ah good, you brought me another one." Reaper:"save it Jason, we flicked the switch, found out there's a Ms delight, how do we kill touille?" Spark:"surely you understand how this game works? Quid pro quo, giblet. You're skin is inside out, and judging by your actions you let someone get hurt, someone get stolen, correct? All actions have consequences, I'm assuming the inside out skin, the very veins that pump blood through you now exposed evermore were a consequence, am I correct?" Sparks eyes are currently glowing blue, happy to deconstruct giblet. Giblet on the verge of tears hides behind reapers leg. Giblet:"i-i tried to save poppy. Twice. *Sniffle* and the prot- prototype. He-he turned me inside out!" He begins softly crying. Sparks eyes glow brighter before the deep breaths and the eyes re-dim. Spark:"to kill the king you must be the jester, but you poison his ego, the rat holds the keys to the plague, but what will you do?" Giblet:"you were right, he is a monster." Reaper:"well you didn't believe me before... Alright cannibal one more question, what did that switch do? And I know the game, so what is it!" Spark:"hold your horsepower you mechanical being, impatient are we? (He leans close to the door) how did it feel, seeing your own rotting corpse in the mids of the scrapyard knowing that boy is dead, and your the remnant of a once happy child?" Reaper white eyed:"it hurt, it hurt that I couldn't get the life i once wanted." Spark eyes glowing:" good plaything. the switch is the key to damage the rat, but next you have to lay the trap. Only when the rat is dead, flick a switch." Reaper eyes red:"one more thing, spark. You know the dark one, who is he?" Spark:"fine (teeth slightly exposed) not a wise one are you? Flesh bag, do you remember every toy you killed? The way Marie payne screamed in agony as she was grounded? The way matthew/jack/kevin begged when he lost everything? The way gracie green and her split personality of misfortune screamed before you dropped a metal cloud on her? The way you let theodore get stabbed by his god? Do you feel anything? Any pain in any slaughter, or are we one in the same, do you feel the pleasure in the slaughter?" The player steps away, sparks eyes glow bright blue. Spark:"so you do feel pain? What a shame, truly. Due to the flesh one from the surface lack of speech, you know of him, a strong one, weather a poster, or a physical encounter."

Act 8: we start heading back to the control room. Reaper:"you know gib, the inside out is a scar of trying, and down here, it's better than doing nothing." We head back to the control room. candy:"that bad huh? What'd that freak say?" Reaper:"stuff." Lily:"that bad huh?" Giblet:"he dismantled me with one sentence, so yea, that bad." Reaper:"gib he's playing mind games, don't let him win, simple. There's a reason we all agreed to lock him away, and know you've seen why... But, now do you see why I didn't want you to meet him? He plays mind games, but you wanna be tough? Don't let him touch you mentally, take the trauma and use it to barter like I did... something about his plan to kill touille makes me feel like this is a trap...it's useful, but I know how he acts."candy:"is he that bad?" Reaper:"one time he manipulated a tiny Simon smoke to let him out by giving the toy the know how to kill any small toy, problem is he got the toy to open his cell, 93 died that night." Lily:"93?! (Beginning to hyperventilate) Oh my God, this is it. I'm gonna die here." Reaper comes over and pats her on the back gently. Reaper:"we're not going to die, lily. We won't let him escape, and if he does, we'll put him back in a cell because he's nearly impossible to kill. Butcher, you'll handle the rat, if he gets out I'll take her so she stays safe. Gib, can you be tough?" Giblet:"m-maybe." Reaper:"good, you'll need to help the butcher here, Harley I need you to access the bigger body logs and send me 1319s weakness. If he escapes I need to know how to recage him against his will, got it?" Candy/lily is currently staring at the floor dissociating, reaper holds one of her braids gently in his hand. Reaper:"it's gonna be ok twins." We head out, a door opened so we do a power puzzle, pressure puzzle to open a door, and toulile set up another morality test, but this one's different. 20 lockers, one battery in a locker without a toy on it, and 14 alive toys, he watches behind a barred off walkway, but he doesn't kill you here, rather in the stalker section coming up if you ripped a toy in half he uses the smoke and gets much faster and aggressive, but inside of 8 randomized lockers there's a nightmare critter waiting to lunge, it only takes 2 shots and you die. We get the battery, touille rolls his eyes and heads back, we do a puzzle, then another, then Prototypes hunters called maws found us. Maws are a smaller amalgamation typically 6-8 feet tall, while uncommon they are 4 legged monsters created by the Prototype with a barbed toothed tail, the skin is mini huggy Fur and smiling critter corpses all painted either red, black, gray, or blue. Wide headed mouth with 2 huggy style eyes on the top of The head. Teeth and claws razor sharp. Anywho we get chased by 8 coordinated maws, 2 chasing us down halls, 2 cutting us off on paths so we have to take vents, 2 breaking hand scanners, 1 breaking through either floors or walls rarely, and one sometimes running at us head on from the dark and forcing us to take another path, and all of them are fast. We barely managed to kill only a single one via grinder close call, and all 7 remaining and 5 new ones walk away. we open a door to the maintenance tunnels.

Act 9: We enter the maintenance tunnels, and in blood we see "obey the rat", "rat king" with a crown, "dead die here", and a bunch of human corpses lining the walls. We get jumped by a ruined smiling critter who tries to take our flare hand, but we shoot it and make it burn on the ground in pain, touilles tail takes the toys body back into the shadows, and the sound of a bandage wrap being applied is heard. We keep moving, and the path splits in 2 with one vent overhead of each. The left path overhead vent is rattling, and if we go down that path we get attacked by a ruined critter and lose 1/4 HP and touille walks into that path and blocks it, forcing us to the the right path, this happens 4 more times. We pull a lever, a door closes, something runs at it and hits it. A different door opens, we walks in and the room has a white handprint, schematics for 1353 and his arms, notes on 1353 having a collaborative design so he wouldn't break stuff when grabbing stuff. On a table there's a mechanical lower arm with schematics for touch sensors to detect what it touches and make the brain feel it. We grab a battery and keep moving. We go down a hallway, and see wibblers mouth tongue arm, upon looking closer we see touille dragging the arm for a statue. We see a mural of catnap and touille ready to pounce together. We do a code, open a door, and see touilles head disappear behind a wall at the end of the hall. We enter a hallway, see "food reserves of the rat king" and enter the room. Walls covered in dead toys, as ruined smiling/nightmare critters feast, stop, look up, and then look at the player, and we have to shoot the flares now to get them to go away. as we have to survive 26 toys, each we hit they run away and into a crack in the wall. We then open a vent once it's all cleared out, and head in.

Act 10: We enter the next stalker section with 7 rooms, 4 code pieces, a battery to lock ourselves in to find the correct way the numbers go, and various lore pieces for after we get through here. When we enter we see touille on a throne of scrap with toys bowing to him, he notices us, hisses at us as the toys enter the vents, and goes a different dierection for this so the stalker section can begin. The lore notes we find here are: 1. How his human name was Justin arlow and had a superiority complex and scored higher on everything than his classmates. 2. How when he was Justin he created a gang featuring theodore and they bullied Marie payne, Emily shocker, and Alex. 3. How he trained rats to torment Marie payne, but nick, Noah, and Alex protected the girls from his rats. The doctor saw this and had Justin ordered to become the very thing he used for torment, a rat, and had him sent to conditioning for 74 days. Anyway we do the stalker section, hell flood rooms with smoke, on long halls he'll lunge, he'll hiss and 4 ruined critters are released for them to hunt us, sometimes he'll move stuff with his tail, basically nowhere is safe forever. We get the code, close the door, and use the code to open another door. We get into the door, and find Preston Willard from the tape, with the catbee head, bron leg, boogie bot arm on the small toy, The one who's paralyzed in his own body. this room we're fighting off a wave of small ruined critters. After that we enter another room and find out catnap and touille respected each other but hated their own toy lines of bigger bodies like dogday or baba chops, and both follow prototypes league, just touille isn't a full blown devout. we get chased by 11 coordinated maws, 1 chasing us down halls, 3 cutting us off on paths so we have to take vents, one breaking hand scanners, 1 breaking vents, 1 breaking puzzles, one sometimes running at us head on from the dark and forcing us to take another path, and 2 breaking through walls, and one in the vent section the smallest of the pack chasing us through vents with this one at 3 feet tall, and while the rest move like dogs when they run, the 3 footer chases like a salamander in the vents despite being the same build as a 6 footer just downscaled. all of them are fast. After a long chase we lose them.

Act 11: we keep moving down some hallways, and we get one last morality test. 10 toys, all alive, 12 lockers. We have to find the one random one with the battery, every one we get wrong we get lunged at by a surprise ruined critter or the one breaks off the door and runs. We have to scare off the ones who aren't attached to the doors via flare while avoiding the ones with nails through their hands+feet that are attached, every one we get wrong touille steps one foot closer until he's at the Boarded up doorway, fail 5 times, he kills us. We get the battery, and move onto the next room where at the end of the hallway we see 9 maws charge down the hallway, we keep moving into a bigger open room, giblet walks in through a Vent with gasoline, in the middle of the room is a statue made of scrap meant to depict touille nesting around catnaps bigger body head, giblet pours gasoline on it, touille watches from door slightly ajar. The player uses the flare hand on it once giblets poured it and backed up near the vent. As it burns, touille:"PUT. IT. OUT. ONE WARNING!" Touille is getting more angry as it burns. Eventually the player scans their hand as breaks the door down and begins a chase through the maintenance tunnels, sometimes he'll disappear through a big vent before the path splits in 2-3 ways. Only one way is safe as while all have overhead vents, only 1 doesn't rattle at each section, and if you get close to one that rattles he'll either gdrag youup with his tail and eat you, or grab you with his arm, jump down, and then eat you. Other parts of the chase he's on the players tail, and sometimes he'll come from a 2 split way that he isn't in a vent of so there isn't rattling, breathing out his non flammable smoke, and chasing you from there that way and forcing the player to run down the other path as he approaches. The chase keeps going, sometimes we have to jump ravines, but eventually we get to a suspended catwalk, under the spot we entered the catwalk from there's a grinder, touille walks in. we bring a metal box down on his tail, pinning it but not taking the catwalk Down. We drop a heavy duty magnet down on the catwalk breaking it and ending us up on the lower level, touilles tail falls into the grinder as he tries to claw his way out. We have 25 seconds to find a battery and put it into a slot on the outside of the grinder oftherwise he escapes and kills us. We put the battery in, and he begins to be dragged into the grinder, eventually killing touille but his head flies out of the grinder, decapitated and leaking blood. Reaper over speakers in the room:"your near [glitch] the switch, it's in a circuit room nearby, then meet me at the cell of [slight glitch] spark, forget the control room. We're waiting at his cell, he's complicate now.." We had to the circuit room, and pull the switch.

Act 12: we begin making our way back to the control room by doing a power puzzle, battery, code, and gas puzzle before taking the elevator with giblet on it. The elevator stops shortly after as reaper walks on and it continues heading Up. Reaper:"so? How'd it go?" Giblet:"decent...hey why'd you want us to go to his cell?" Reaper:"huh? I've been radio silent taking care of Simon smoke, I've kept a private comm to the twins earpiece, why?... hey gib, tell me the switch you saw him flick in marketing wasn't THAT switch?" Giblet:"... It was the one at the end of a hallway." Reapers eyes go white:"we're screwed." The elevator stops, lily gets on, shivering, she's missing one of her two secondary braids. Lily:"he's loose." Reaper:"body count?" Candy:"20 something in the first 10 minutes." Reaper:"oh...well if we kill him, prototype wins before we even start, but if we knock him out somehow... We need red smoke, then we relock him away. I'm not gonna trust what Harley told me in case that was spark... But how do we lock-" the elevator opens to see the mess of 30+ dead small toy corpses and spark feasting on a screaming one, he looks back at us, teeth exposed, eyes glowing. He drops the toy, and begins running at the elevator like a professional athlete, reaper is rapid fire pressing the door close button and it closes just in time for a thud to be heard. Candy:"so make that about 60 kills." Reaper:"told ya, he's a cannibal...watch I garentee you he's gonna soon calm himself down so his eyes don't glow... He's totally gonna do that, ok in that case lily you're with me, giblet stay in the vents, deep in them and help the butcher get through, we need the red stuff." Candy looks at the player pissed off:"this is all your fault, your the reapson he's free, your the reason we're missing a braid!" Reaper:"ey. Candy don't forget you make a deal with the devil if you kill him." Candy:"*sigh* you're no fun, ghost." Giblet:"I'm not a hero, but i-" reaper pulls a dagger out, lovebraids looks pissed off at giblet, tossing a knife up from the hand and the main braid catching it, before it tosses the knife up again from the main braid and catches it in the hand, the one remaining secondary wrapped around her back, slightly shivering due to that one being controlled by lily. Reaper:" finish that I'm not a hero stuff or I slit you down the middle, you have no idea how annoying that is." Giblet readies his shock cane, candy and reaper put their knives away, shocked that giblet has stones. Giblet:"I was trying to say I'm not a hero bec-" reaper takes his head off, shakes it, 2 knives fall into his hand, he puts his skull back on, and candy replays with the knife. Giblet ears down in fear:"ok...I'll stop." lily:"finally he shut up for 5 minutes...the rat was the protector wasnt he?" Reaper:"the rat was a protector, yeah...fair warning, it does get bloody when you se-...oh." the elevator doors opened to reveal a mountain of bodies of small toys, pianosaurus tore in half, bobby bearhug in her cell crying in the corner while sparks door is open. Candy:"1,2,3,4,5,10,20,50, 85 bodies in this room give or take here." Giblet:" I'm not a h-" reaper and candy toss daggers at giblet and purposely miss, then grab their knives. Candy:"if he doesn't shut up I'm gonna guy him and use him as a knife block." Reaper:"a knife block? Meat shield seems better, but then again... He would be good target practice." Candy:"oh definitely, (lily/candy) gib get moving, we need...what was it?" Reaper:"red smoke bombs."

Act 13: we head out to find spark, we leave the jails, body piles everywhere. Giblet goes to make red smoke bombs. We have to use flares to light the next hallways because it's pitch black with no sound until we get lunged at by spark from the shadows when a flare is lit. He slams the player into a wall as the lights flicker on and we find out we've been walking through piles of bodies. Spark:" you did so well in the labyrinth of misrery. Tell me...(Eyes begin to glow as his teeth extend slightly) Did his neck snap like a toy? (He tosses the player to the ground) Or did it snap like a poor orphan boy who lost his way? You felt that spark of adrenaline at the sight of him being ground up, didn't you? (He picks the player up) Because I felt it when you flicked that switch. I felt you...(Eyes glow bright and teeth extend more) Choosing me." The room fully lights up, revealing a mix of old human bodies and new toy bodies tallying up to 108 bodies. Spark:"you were always a harder one to break, weren't you? (He throws the player farther) Well now...this dance isn't gonna end itself, now is it?" The lights go out again. Spark:"don't be shy, flesh puppet. the world knows you're a Sadistic monster like me." We run down a dark hallway dimly lit hallways, for an ambush chase, the knives of reaper and candy pinning ruined critters to the walls. Spark:"don't bother with the smoke meat bag. I told the inside out one you got pleasure from the kill. He stopped making the Red smoke bomb and started breaking down, wondering when his nightmare will ever end." The next section of the run is we have to flare hallways before deciding to run in them, if we don't see spark then run through it, if we do look for the other, and the darklness slowly creeps towards the player until spark can kill the player with either a knife Or a bite. We hear Ms crude screaming in pain as the lights flicker on after s bit, and she's missing the eye that was under the eyepatch and a Chunk of her upper arm is gone, there's spark, eyes glowing, teeth exposed, blood covered mouth. She sits there trying not to move, her bat broken in half. Giblet slams a mask onto the player, and throws a red smoke bomb. Spark:"tisk tisk tisk." He puts a gas mask on aswell. Spark:"now...let's see what's under that skin of yours, shall we? Is it the fear of knowing you stand before the one thing you can't kill, or is it the trauma that kept you going through the dark, as you begged for this endless dance to be over?"

Act 14: When the smoke settles he takes the mask off, and a chase begins where he's faster than you, smarter than you and stronger than you, making this chase very difficult. The chase has him cutting the player off at split sections, smoke bombs so it's harder for us to see, a vent chase where he still cuts us off, and a dark section where he waits in the shadows. As the chase goes on, it gets harder, eventually he'll throw stuff at us. Eventually He corners us, grabs us, throws us to the ground, and gets right in the players face. Spark:"even when you don't admit it, we're one in the same. When you killed Marie payne, you felt the joy of knowing she was dead. When theodore got stabbed in the mouth by oliver ludwig after offering himself up, you felt the adrenaline of knowing he was dead. We're one in the same, difference is reaper was right, i'm a cannibal. Yet I don't regret a single choice." The player pressure hands spark off and accidentally stabs him in the eye, he gets up and has a scrap metal piece stabbed in his eye accidentally caused by us. Spark:"au contraire my flesh covered puppet, I take pleasure (eyes blue) in the pain. A sensation I haven't felt in decades of isolation. In fact, I'll bite (he grabs the player and pins them to the wall) give me your worst." Reapers spear pins him to a wall through the skin. Spark:"that's not funny, Alex." The player then runs for their life to the marketing wing to shut the switch off. The chase has him cutting the player off at split sections, smoke bombs so it's harder for us to see, a vent chase where he still cuts us off, and a dark section where he waits in the shadows, a section where he tries to meat hook us. As the chase goes on, it gets harder, eventually he'll throw stuff at us and do a sprint at us forcing us to use the blue hand to magnet up. We shut the switch off, and get thrown through a wall by spark. The final chase occurs, The chase has him cutting the player off at split sections, smoke bombs so it's harder for us to see, a vent chase where he still cuts us off, and a dark section where he waits in the shadows, a section where he tries to meat hook us. As the chase goes on, it gets harder, eventually he'll throw stuff at us and do a sprint at us forcing us to use the blue hand to magnet up. He throws us to the ground near the north wing jail cells, completely distracted on us lily uses her braids to put an explosive barrel near a red pipe. We shoot the barrel, it explodeds and breaks the pipe, flooding the room with red smoke. Spark:"this isn't over meat bag, this dance will never end." He falls unconscious, candy:"is it over?" Reaper:"god I hope so...did we get any info on how to kill the prototype?" Giblet:"something about poison his ego, and make him play a different game." reaper hoists spark over his shoulder, takes him to the cell, lily slams it shut once spark is in there. Lily:"god he's a jerk." Reaper:"he's a cannibalistic psychopath. Big difference." Some ruined smiling and nightmare critters come in and begin eating the corpses. Reaper:"and the cycle of life continues." Giblet:"how are there so many of them?" Reaper:"...you wouldn't want to know."

Prototype's hunters (maws): a smaller amalgamation typically 6-8 feet tall, while common they are 4 legged monsters created by the Prototype with a barbed toothed tail, the skin is mini huggy Fur and smiling critter corpses all painted either red, black, gray, or blue. Wide headed mouth with 2 huggy style eyes on the top of The head. Teeth and claws razor sharp. Their leaderless packs consist of 2-12 maws, usually with one 3-4 foot maw to handle vents. Their design is semi salamander like mixed with a little wolf. Intelligence: medium. Speed: average. Attack: yes. Feral Y/N: yes. Purpose: enforce prototypes word. Location: anywhere Prototype calls. Fatality rate: 70% experiment: 1506

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 11 days ago

I have a question with an antweight robot system

So I want to build an antweight combat robot, that's a melty brain. Previously I've built other robots such as short serket, which is an antweight hammer-saw using an audrino nano, can anyone help me with instructions for building an antweight melty brain?

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u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 1 month ago

Poppys plan wouldn't work and i can prove it with math, physics, and a lot of science.

So before I begin here, I just want to say poppy is a doll, not a smart doll, but a doll that's huffing a lot of copium here, and probably a little red smoke. anywho here's 4 ways she can't blow up the factory, and the only things she could try.

Dynamite: the average weight of dynamite is .5 lbs, for the entirety of the game station and chapter 2, that's roughly 100,000 sticks. Now the playcare and everything else is a different section, so I'm actually gonna show my math here. From my math there's about 400 load bearing pillars that would have to be 32 feet in diameter. The salt/limestone constant is (C=0.4) so we take 0.4x32³=0.4x32,768=13,107.2lbs per pillar. 400x13,107.2=5,242,880 sticks of dynamites. 5,242,880x2=10,485,760 sticks of dynamite! So unless poppy shits dynamite, the most she can explode is a power outlet With a knife.

Red smoke: now if poppy lit the smoke, at first you might think your doomed by a golden goose who thinks blowing up the factory is a good idea, but chapter 3-5 have... Big caves, the only reason aside from sweet street And lily lovebraids that I'll take ch5. Now since the pipes are metal, likely steel or titanium, they hold the red smoke. Whys this important? Well lighting the smoke makes it travel through the pipe looking for the nearest big escape, and to blow the factory up the pipes would have to have 100 exit points into the factory, and we haven't even seen 10. So it travels into the caves, meaning you'll destroy the better place and more. Meaning all you've done here is remove the red smoke from the factory. Prototype bouta become peptotype, so Prototypes city in the underground caves gonna be ash.

Boiler: so let's say poppy plans to use the boilers next, these boilers would have to be 250 feet tall to do the entire factory and house 11 million gallons of water. And at that height there'd be 5-6 inches of reinforced walking that's blast proof because it's a boiler... But there is no 250 foot boiler here, so rather it's more likely there's 32-35 boilers like an ACTUAL factory, so we'd only take out a section of the factory if we blew one up, and safety valves and broken pipes would actually prevent the others from a chain reaction... The only thing going pop if the boiler goes is poppy.

Poppy gel: now this one I'm skeptical on, as this one might have a shot to do it... Ok i doubt she could do it. But since I don't have much to go off, let's use the in game visuals. So some puzzles we explode tiny test tubes of poppy gel with HEAT... Let's never mind the fact we could have just opened the lockers instead of exploding it which makes no damn sense, but this isn't my rant post. Now in a concentrated heat to a concentrated spot, it explodes. However in the labs we know unconcintrated heat causes an explosion into mass growth of foamlike what we saw. So at most she'd make the labs and growth areas, the caves, and like 500 feet in a circle covered in gel, but it won't destroy the factory. And since it seems to be toxic wto whatevers in it, let me say this... KICK THE BABY.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 1 month ago

What if lily found out she was Gracie [a sequel to my other various work]

warning: this one is much more depressing than my other work except for one outcome. So before I begin I'm going to be splitting it into 2 sections, if she found out before and after the cloud, I recommend you read this first to get updated on this. short answer is 2/3 paths of learning she is her are bad.

I recommend you read this to learn that lily is a healing case of structural DID, because that's what we'll also be using here to find our answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/Lilylovebraids_fans/comments/1stwttr/i_was_bored_so_heres_lily_lovebraids_psychology/

Before the cloud: (somehow the more dangerous path)

A: Picture it like this, in the show knights of guinivere, the villain daughter who pulled on guiniveres insides at the beginning was forced to grow up, and didn't care about much. She lost her child like innocence and became bitter. This is exactly what would happen to lily lovebraids but more extreme here, while candy would either disappear entirely or cry in the back of the mind knowing she failed the only person she was supposed to protect. Lily would eventually grow to hate candy and force her only into a singular braid at most she could control, so candy would become the guinivere here, but she can't leave lily is the difference. there is no balcony for candy to jump off, there is nothing and i mean NOTHING candy can do. So in the end lily becomes a persecutor personality and constantly abusing candy mentally, so essentially lily becomes the allied mastercomputer while candy becomes Ted from the book I have no mouth. Candy might have a slight chance of taking the mouth rarely, but that's it.

The way to helping her after this is someone who wouldn't care about who she was before, but someone who will be there for her. If this anchor person could help lily, then candy would no longer be a prisoner of the mind, but would become dependent-no-obsessed with the anchor person.

B: Now something else could happen here, and it's worse: candy could try to take the memories from lily, and externally the body would drop to its knees, clawing at its own skull, screaming in both rage and mental pain. Internally it turns into a warzone, lily losing her innocence and candy trying to help in the only way known how. In that path it's a losing battle for both personalities, making lily hate herself, candy, Prototype, and everyone. But more importantly would be left a weeping mess that candy might force into the back of the mind so she can take control of the body.

The way to healing here is an external person basically saying she isn't her past, not judging her, And more. This takes longer to do, but will result in a more stable system.

After the cloud: (WHY is this the better path?!?!?!)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lilylovebraids_fans/comments/1sctd1o/its_that_time_again_were_proving_lily_lovebraids/

So fun fact, In that link we proved what her damage would be, spiderwebbed cracks with white stress marks after the 37 ton cloud fell on her. Now, why is this good? Because the ANP (that being lily) is physically grounded with the pain and thus the brain won't flood her with Gracie memories meaning lily is stuck mentally as a child, and has to cower in the back of the mind as candy takes full control due to the never ending pain. But eventually lily will mentally grow up in the environment of the factory outside of sweet street, and only once the brain deduces she's mentally old enough to know, it'll slow leak lily with Gracie memories as a sign of "hey. Don't be her and your good." Which would make candy&lily separate themselves from Gracie's past, eventually lily would co-front with candy as a new survivor... But of course during this path until lily is ready, candy is a caretaker mentally and physically for lily, hearing eachother internally, so they'd rarely use the candy cat head for ventriloquism, and for most people she'd speak like 1 person. This is the much more superior path for them mentally.

This path is the only one where candy can help lily heal, and no external person is needed.

Conclusion: somehow the cloud is good for her sake, as it gives her time to heal. If she found out it turns into either a warzone or candy is locked away. so untimely, we helped lily in a dark and twisted way when the cloud fell on her. there is no pink fluffy unicorns for he finding out, only despair and hate.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 1 month ago

The Prototype is NOT a prototype

alright I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate, so bring it on. Firstly let's look at him for a second: a 26 foot tall jester spider. And yes, he's always been a six legged half baked character because he had these legs long before the hour of joy. There's nothing that says hes a prototype on him. if he was a prototype to bring poppy back who's only 1 foot at the very most, then his design should have looked like it. the mask was always his, always a jester, but he's a good design...just not a good design for a prototype. The Prototype looks bio mechanical so I'll take mechanical principles here: firstly if he's meant to be a prototype for poppy, then the design should have been 2 legged for testing how to make something at a small scale walk, not 6 spider legs that make me look short. Second if he was literally 1 digit away from poppy, then you shouldn't have needle fingers at this stage, finger tests are always before, and speaking of that, why's there only 1 human turned Prototype? When we Prototype we go through multiple designs, like this fits if it was about experiment 999 about in that spot because then they would make more prototypes refining it until they got to experiment 1007 (poppy I believe) and then what's the purpose of the hands he took? The "oh he's too weak" bullshit answer doesn't work here! It's not intimidation, only the long legs arm is used once, and why is it when we froze him he didn't reach for us with the long legs arm? The huggy and kissy arms are completely fucking useless and don't match previous arms.

So with 1006 if we take ACTUAL principles here, then he should only be 3-4 feet tall, not claw arms, face matching poppy nearly, and more. Not a 26 foot tall spider, that wouldn't make sense going form Goliath to little shit. And let's talk poppy for a sec, she mentioned being took apart and put together? Thats what I'm calling bullshit because the PROTOTYPE MODELS ARE LITERALLY MADE TO BE TORN APART! THATS THE ONLY REASON WE PROTOTYPE IN ANY DIVISION! like if he was 1006A I could understand it because then at about 1006B could be smaller, 4 legged, more humanoid fingered, and about 10 foot tall, then 1006C is basically 2 legs to fully get the leg concepts, after that 1006D should be 3-4 feet tall, 2 legged, normal armed, poppy like face. and let's talk design, a Prototype is never made to look good, all Prototype models are basically hollow skeletons, not hey here's a jester with a GOLD spine. Like seriously they had to have made multiple prototypes, there's no way 1006 was the only prototype because that's not how this works. and then somehow he was never found all that often? being stealthy? that's not how any of this works. you could say the lie of he's a jack in the box, but that actually makes his case mathematically worse because the size to body ratio means his box was 10 FEET TALL! so unless he broke himself off the box, and crawled around like Jackie did from FNAF secret of the mimic, I don't fucking buy his ass was sneaky because there is no stress marks on the gold parts that suggest he did. Unlike the rest of the fandom I don't give him the rule of cool, I give him the rule of get your shit together mob.

Next we get to those legs, let's talk. their supposed to be "built by him later on" cool...so where the fuck does the ribs come from on the front? where does a red front come from? why does the spider half have tendons on the legs while the arms are pure mechanical? where does the spider half begin to make sense he built it? why the fuck does he have a gold skeleton supporting his "tube" that connects him to the spider body? the movement there makes sense for a tube...but the logistics of tube to gold spine external make no sense if the tube could already support his 500-800 pound upper half...don't ask me how much math that took to get the answer to. and all of your arguments of he made it himself fall apart when you look at the torso, it's all symmetrical. why are all 6 legs identical then? if he built himself, then those legs should be mismatched. and why when he was planning the hour of joy did he STILL have those legs? minus the huggy, kissy, and mommy arms, he's still looks the exact damn same. don't care what material those legs are made of, but it would take a day to forge EACH legs parts per, not even adding on assembly time, how the fuck did he do that stealthily? let's go over the mechanical part of building a 26 foot spider then a 1 foot doll. it's mathematically not easy to make a bigger mechanical being.

Battlebots, let's look at something popular why the fuck not? I've met bloodsport, tombstone, and huge. They all prototype their new designs on the 1LB weight class, then the 3LB weight class. Wanna take a guess how heavy the final design is? 250LBS! If anything by using your logic here, that means poppy would be the Prototype to the prototype. I've done first robotics for 4 years of my life, when one of our teammates tried to go big prototype he costed us $25,000 and we instantly kicked him from the team, because his design was physically impossible and he would have kept going. We prototype at the small scale before building the full 115lbs bot. My literal mass of text isnt a feel good about 'oh poor ollie' it was HOW It makes no sense, and I don't mean with the consciousness because that's for a different time, it was about how he physically can't be a literal prototype because we know 814 was a rat killed and tried to bring back, that's a 200 gap I don't care about because we have no evidence that those 200 were mechanical. In fact if they figured it out with Ollie, then they should have made more prototypes to eventually make poppy. so if anyone now says he built his legs, give me the facts of how he built 6 identical legs with TENDONS on each leg, Plus did the whole world forget the tape they posted to their YouTube channel where he caught doctor newman? HES GOT THE LEGS! Look I don't care if it makes sense about orphan to monster, or the poppy gel, but I do care about that this literally can't be the prototype to poppy. If he's the Prototype to reanimating a soul, then it should have been specified in his name, and not just be called prototype. But because he's only called prototype, this implies he's the whole prototype. Like seriously, accept the prototype makes no sense, or that he's a fraud, because he makes ZERO sense.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago

What if lily was escaping sweet street?

So we know lily lovebraids was 'isolated' but what if I could prove she could leave. Look at the room behind the bookshelf, bam! There's a stash of glowby pens and a glowby. Now let's go to the outimal section where we get glowby, there's glowby pens and arrows where to go. Almost like we were being baited to sweet street. Look at what lily says to poppy: "Shut it! You've always been a bad toy! When he gets here, he'll see it too" she says it through the only other glowby in the game, so my theory is what if she was listening to us through our glowby, baited us, and more. Theres a hole in the dollhouse covered by a poster, so that's where she maybe escaped. And let's look, the outimals don't know how to write with pens because they don't have hands, so who could have wrote all the arrows throughout the game, why it could only have been lily. meaning she likely heard all of giblets "I'm not a hero" and probably got annoyed by that due to the constant "I'm not a hero" or heard all of the tapes through our glowby. Another reason I believe she could have been escaping is how else would she know we killed mommy long legs? how else would she know we killed doey?

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago

Anyone here good with Morse code?

I can only make out one word maybe and that's ash, can anyone help? Think it's in the long spiderweb

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago

Does mommy long legs make sense, here's the answer

[short answer: possibly] This is a collaborative effort between ordinary-sound (me) and no-possibility to prove mommy long legs makes some sense.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571

And

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the physics/materials: (The no-possibility section)

Mommy long legs weight

Main parts: made of polycarbonate

Limbs: low density polythene

Her height appears to be 8-12 feet tall

The head has her brain and is like 3 ft cubed. Plus her hair, wkull and voice box make it likely 29 lbs. including about 23 pounds of cm thick polycarbonate (52 lbs all together).

Lower torso has a volume of about 3 ft cubed, (v=4/3 πr³ giving us a diameter of 2.68) pretty much all her organs and a good bit of meat and fat so imma throw a rough guess of of 50 lbs. plus the polycarbonate is likely 37 pounds, (165 lbs all together).

The upper torso is like 4.5 ft cubed. (2.4 ft wide, 1.1 foot deep, 2.5ft tall) Heart is the only thing inside other than like 16 pounds of meat. The heart is likely 2 times larger to pump all that blood so 1.5 lbs. plus a pound of esophagus. Then finally about a cm thick of polycarbonate “skin” which is like an extra 23 pounds (75 lbs all together).

The stretchy parts that connect the torsos and head must carry the esophagus, so that plus veins plus low density polythene; then I guess the limb is 4 inch in diameter and a max stretch of 20 feet. All together that gets us 6.8 lbs of neck. (300 lbs including the one that connects the torsos)

The limbs are like 200 feet in length but half as dense, so plugging that into a calculator gets us 147 lbs per limb (588 lbs all together)

Hands and feet likely weigh 8-9 pounds each (8+8+9+9=34lbs)

So adding it all up 52+75+165+38+588+34=952lbs (Likely more if we up her limb reach, I just went with a low ball on the “stretch hundreds of feet” statement)

(Ordinary-sound note: these proportions do match up with her body in game...minus 200ft)

The biological: (the ordinary-sound section) [spoiler:the answer is no]

So we know the body is made of low density Polyethylene, with the torso segments being polycarbonate, but let's start with with the organ placements.

Head: the brain.

Upper torso: likely holds the heart and lungs

Lower torso: basically everything else.

Both torso segments likely have their own ribcages internally to protect the organs and keep them in place. And due to her size she likely has a bigger heart... Literally. Her upper torso seems about human size, while the lower torso is like 2x human lower torso, so we can deduce she likely has bigger organs All around.

Now we talk limbs. From the surface level they seem impossible, but what if they aren't? We know of veins, but how long do they get? 60k miles long, which explains how her body can expand and contract. However the average human heart can't stand that much resulting friction, so it's likely bigger. To prevent blackouts during stretching she needs auxiliary hearts. Now something that makes completely no sense biologically is a 10-15 foot arms can go to 200 feet. That can't even be mechanical because that's my field and I can tell you no mechanism can do that. At most it'll extend 20-30 feet, maybe 40 feet if we wanted to be a funny guy.

But how about the stretch? That's one of 2 solutions, 1. It's tissue underneath, allowing expansion and movement without bone as the outside acts ats its own bone. Now how do we give her stretch in the neck so she can breath? We make her a vacuum tube style throat inside, So her throats got telescoping cartilage rings to extend and contract. Her upper digestive track has to be like a telephone cord, a coil, so that way she can eat and stretch at the same time. Her nervous system must utilize Giant axons because at full stretch it'll take her a sec to process anything. For her to effortlessly stick to walls she likely has setae on her hands and feet, like a gecko. (tiny hair like things)

Connecting the upper organs and lower organs won't be easy, in fact quite concerning because I'm not even sure thids would work, but here's how we do it. Instead of straight blood vessels, veins, and arteries, it's likely in a helix shape like a telephone cord, the esophagus would have to go through multiple teleccoping pockets rather than a direct link, and with her Central nervous system closer to the lower abdomen is likely braided tighter with elastic tissue with a mini rib like spine to support it all.

The downside Is none of this could scientifically work without poppy gel, meaning without it the throat doesn't work, the helix don't work, nothing works and you just wasted your time making a dead body. Infact without poppy gel every toy is scientifically impossible. But with poppy gel that's exactly how it'd be. A lot of this stuff wouldn't work without poppy gel. So while it does make sense, on our world she and all other toys scientifically can't exist, but if we account for poppy gel acting as a graphing substance, she makes partial sense.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago

What smiling/nightmare critter would lily likely have as a pet?

I can already garentee she wouldn't have a baba chops, as candy would have PTSD from the tape, same with hoppy hopscotch and kickin chicken, meaning we have catnap, dogday, bubba bubbaphent, touille, maggie mako, Simon smoke, alligator gator, that pig one, poe, and more

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago

How do we think lily and candy would react to these songs?

Playing god by motionless in white (feat. Corey taylor)

Heart of fire by black veil brides

Nomadic by slipknot

The heresy by mushroom head

Gone sovereign by stone sour

Prayers for the damned by Sixx A.M.

Bleeders by black veil brides

Rise by Sixx A.M.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lilylovebraids_fans/comments/1stwttr/i_was_bored_so_heres_lily_lovebraids_psychology/ for the record I'm aware of her psychology.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago

So before anyone says 'oh he formed his opinion from Markiplier' I played it before mark. See I formed my own opinion on the game, I decently liked the bron segment, I liked the dollhouse section, despised the outimal section because somehow I glitched through the floor multiple times, I despised giblet because we won't shut the fuck up about being a hero because neither is our character. Hated chum chompkins because he contributed jack shit in my opinion, heck I'm fine to be called crazy but I liked the chapter 3+4 layout where we were introduced to big bad, boss 1, puzzles, boss 2, main chase. Huggy feels like he overstayed his welcome here because 78% of the chases was just huggy wuggy. I like him don't get me wrong, but I fucking despise most of the chapter being about a blue sour patch kid. Like I'm sorry, but giblets writing makes it so I physically can't replay it because "I'm not a hero" because WE GET THE POINT! Lily was basically meant to be the main antagonist for the chapter, and the prototype stole that spotlight and from that point on I couldnt keep playing the chapter willingly because that was a half baked death scene. Let's talk graphics, chapter 5 graphics was dogshit, most of it was gray, dull, or other and It makes no goddamn sense why! Most locations felt pointless, forgettable, or were so rage inducing that I nearly quit. Like chapter 5 was so much of a disgrace to the franchise no amount of money would ever make me replay the game, but it's also why I want 7-8 chapters, because if that was the second of last chapter, then I quit, because that's a goddamn disappointment to end a franchise on.

So if chapter 5 was the second of last chapter, I quit poppy playtime and I'm not coming back, that is a goddamn half baked disappointment and I despise the current writer. That wasn't writing that was an action movie made by a toddler! Let's not forget the glitches, chapter 4 was at least playable for me, but in chapter 5 I glitched through the floor 8 TIMES! 2 during the lily lovebraids segments, 3 times through the outimals section, once during the huggy section on the last chase, and a couple times during vent sections, then somehow I got huggy to fly during the free roam section with the kissy tapes before sweet street. Then while chapter 4 at least had SOME scary moments...chapter 5 fucking disappointed me with everything, there was no fear, there was no terror, nothing. Like chapter 5 was so bad except for sweet street it makes garten of banban look good! And I know damn well how shitty banban is, but at least banban isn't filled with "I'm not a hero." Every two goddamn seconds!...is it obvious how much I despise giblet? Look I want something to say positive about chapter 5, but aside from the facts of I liked how they accurately portrayed DID with lily lovebraids, and how the dollhouse section was actually fun, I have nothing else to say good about it. Let's talk writing, it was dogshit.

This feels like if AI had a brain tumor and a concussion and was asked to make a horror game, the caves visible that hey 'these are salt caves' but chapter 5 doesn't have the salt cave look! we went from salt caves to the devil's asshole taking off In space! Like go look at the caves real quick, and explain to me why there's a goddamn galaxy in the devil's asshole? (That's what I'm calling these caves) and that's not all, because why in the fuck is there Detroit 2.0 in these caves?? and how do i know what the caves should look like, how do I know what a salt cave is, how do I know they abandoned that look? BECAUSE I WORKED AT A SALT COMPANY! I know damn well how salt caves look, I know damn well chapters 3+4 got it mostly right, I know damn well without a light source their dark, not the devils asshole of chapter 5, and chapter 5 was a fuck you to my face! prototype calls it the better place, I call it the moment I quit if that continues to exist because that is bullshit! if they want to fix the franchise, delete the better place model from the game, because that was the first middle finger, delete the galactic asshole of the space area and make the caves darker, make the caves wet, and while it's too late for a new secondary character to join in, just delete giblets multiples of "I'm not a hero" and that would save the game in my eyes, and then id replay it. This is my opinion, everyone can have their own, you liked chapter 5? Good, but you don't need to say my opinion is wrong when I hate it. hate me all you want, but that's my opinion, I am a scientist and this felt like a shot to my skull because of how big of a shit show it was. atleast chapters 1-4 made sense. in fact go look at the better place model real quick, give me a damn good reason all of the lights are on that wouldn't seem like your trying to prove my point that the game has ditched its realism and is trying to talk down to me like my electrician degree doesn't mean jack shit. (I have multiple degrees because i was gonna be a NASA scientist)

if mob keeps the horridness of chapter 5 and brings it into chapter 6, and we go to the better place, fuck it I'm out. I didn't spend 5 years of my life in college to get slapped across the face by a game that used to be realistic. "oh but mob wants to go psychological horror" PSYCHOLOGICAL HORROR MY ASS, THIS IS PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE! the reason people play it is because of the living horrors like catnap or mommy long legs, not Gracie green but for every character. if anything from playing it twice and then and only then after playing it twice then watching marks review, he was too kind on it. and from seeing other streamers, I'm not alone. phosphor streamed the game, hated it, mark streamed it, hated it, can't remember if caseoh hated it but I watched his first. and unfortunately because of the art mob out out with all the toys being there, sure e fucking enough there's a city in the background. if that appears in chapter 6, I quit. I'm not even gonna get the game, I'd leave r/poppyplaytime for good if we actually went there, I'd burn my yarnaby plush, my huggy plush, and my catnap plush. I'm not shitting around mob, you got one chance, fuck it up, I walk. if we even step a foot in that Detroit but cave, I quit. I fucking despise cities in horror games because rarely can they get it right, and your astral cave hurts your case worse. so ditch the fucking city, there's other scientist in this community, as we all collectively agree if we step foot in a city, we walk. you make me touch a city, I quit, I quit, thats it, I'm done! I wouldn't touch a spinoff, I wouldn't touch a game where we came back, is quit the franchise entirely and go back to FNAF for horror, atleast they can keep the game from going into a drunken bliss. because atleast the goddamn mimic from FNAF is realistic AND RESPECTS ITS STORY! I took 3 years in engineering for fricks sake, and chapter 5 was like a blow from a shotgun in terms of this bullshit! check my reddit, ordinary sound. I have never once posted on r/FNAF because I don't like their story, but when I'm willing to go back to a story I dislike because you lost your footing, you need to know you fucked up, BAD.

I hate games with a shit load of dialogue because it doesn't just break immersion, it fucking destroys any chance for it. and why in the fuck are 2 of our allies helpless AND incompetent? one I garentee you is gonna sacrifice himself (giblet), and the other has a savior complex that would "blow up the hole factory" (poppy) because spoilers poppy, exploding the factory doesn't kill everyone, it forces them into a worse case in the US. overall if we walk into that city, I walk out. my conditions are set, and if that city is where we go, then I (u/Ordinary-Sound-571) will walk. I'd burn my shirts and plushies of the franchise, leave my scientific articles up for whatever remaining fans there are, and walk out and never come back. Playtimes over if we do. when chapter 6 releases I'll probably watch someone's playthrough like fusionZ because I feel scammed out of my money with chapter 5. if chapter 6 looks good in my eyes, then I'll buy it, if it's not and it leans into my criticism and what it shouldnt have, I don't just walk, I pull an Eric draven. "there ain't no coming back." that line is from the 1994 film "the crow" and it's sequels atleast respect it's story, with the amount of cutscenes there were, you might as well look at an action movie done right. even the crow: salvation respects it's story, and that's the weakest movie in the damn franchise! chapter 5 took the first 4 and said "fuck it." this went from a brutally honest reaction and thoughts to hating on it, at this point, it's valid! you wanna be an action movie disguised as a video game with the player as an anti hero? then look at the successful action movies like the crow, and even the weakest movie there can respect the first movies, so why can't you chapter 5?...I haven't even gotten to the puzzles but I'm too mentally burned out to give a shit.

Edit: got a mountain dew, now I tackle the puzzles...oh my God they're so bad at this point give me a drone and a red dude who wants pancreas (banban) because what the fuck. Puzzles are your main thing, so HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MESS IT UP?!😭 first why the fuck does exploding a beaker of gel open lockers? that's just lazy. why in the fuck does the ceiling open up at one section for a electrical pole to come down? at this point am I on an acid trip? this feels like a car company that forgot how to make its own engine, or twisted metal without the cars, or palworld without the pals, it's the main god damn thing! and the fact all we did was turn prototype slightly a shade of blue when we burned him, shocked him, froze him, hit him with a train, and more, that's not cool, that's a shit show of writing for devs who can't even respect the physics of their main villain. I get it, he's supposed to be god like, but for fucks sake, rust him, make him darker blue if you want that actual metal look, don't just slightly crack his mask, fucking destroy it! that long legs arm? make it melted, it's stretchy plastic, not polycarbonate! You know what, at this point if they keep Prototype being some Eldritch god as they are, I'm joining the critics and the people who say this is a kids game, because adult games respect their logic, not make engineers and scientist want a brain aneurysm and a milkshake. like there is no god damn explanation for the lack of damage to his mask, there is no excuse to why he gets up like nothing happened, there is no excuse to ANY of the magical horseshit that happened, it just happens and you expect long time fans to be ok?! The worst part is this used to be the most realistic mascot horror game yet! Now it's a goddamn disappointment and misery cocktail with an identity crisis. one chance MOB, I've already got a machine ready to burn my yarnaby plush first if chapter 6 is a disappointment, maybe I'll even post a video eventually to prove it.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago
▲ 20 r/PoppyPlaytimeLore+1 crossposts

We know the gel isnt said to be able to revive people, right? But firstly the brain would have died during surgery due to stress and especially since they're all kids. Meaning for certain characters like long legs and doey, so long as we found organs and new bodies or make new bodies for a brain transplant, we could revive specific people who we haven't seen what happened to the brain. Now looking into it mommy long legs would have been vacuum sealed essentially in her own shell, meaning the brain wouldn't decompose, plus the gel literally doesn't allow it. Now let's say the brain does die and thats not how poppy gel works, we could hypothetically genetically modify it in the labs below to make a type of gel that can revive stuff. Now long legs is the only one at the moment who I could justify this working on, because doey is a f$cking scientific anomaly, but yeah. Long legs could be revived. Ms delight could possibly be revived by the gel then. I don't need to prove it with lily, because I've proved in the past she isn't dead. Back on track I'll use Marie/mommy long legs as the demo here. It starts with the brain, if we hypothetically found her upper half, white it would be quite literally the upper torso and head without arms, it would make it so we could take the brain. Also just to clarify, in any case the brain would die doing this no matter what in biology, so the poppy gel latee is required. step two we find organs... where do we get organs? The freezer, steal some from another toy, or just grow some...or just...go check the break room, I'm sure there's a spare kidney. Step 3 we take the brain and organs, put them in a new body, sh!t load of poppy gel on there, close her up, let the stuff work it's magic, then like giblet shocked is alive, we shock her alive. step 4 add the negation formula. We want a-new-playmate mommy, not i-want-to-slit-your-throat mommy. (yes that was a slipknot reference, I've had that song playing on loop) So while it isn't specifically said, I'm on the belief it can revive anyone. I mean with the spot we were hit it looked like we got stabbed through the lungs by the Prototype. Like seriously we get stabbed, take a nap, and get dumped in raspberry jell-O, at this point death is an aggressive nap. so if we could survive that... I also didn't put as much research into the game lore about the gel here, but I think I got it right. doing more research we were dropped into what I believe is the treated gel or the restorative gel since we haven't became a monster yet from the main gel, so if we use the restorative stuff we could just...bring her back. however if I am right about poppy gel being able to fuse synthetic materials to be as limbs...this just got harder, but not impossible. if I got anything wrong about the gel, please do tell me. I didn't have much to work on in real life, but if we wanted to take real life principles, poppy gel is fucking brainEx from yale, where they revived pig brains but it was braindead, yet alive. Meaning poppy gel exists and/or is being made today for this stuff. Essentially using computer terms we could eventually find a way to revive the software since we've stopped the decay of the hardware. But yeah, because in the game we somehow turned a human mind into an AI, they probably already know how to do it...but can we stand a shit load of pent up trauma and PTSD that makes Corey Taylor's screams seem weak?

if you think I'm crazy, I've already proved lily would survive her death scene: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lilylovebraids_fans/comments/1sctd1o/its_that_time_again_were_proving_lily_lovebraids/

I have the power of science and attention deficit on my side...but seriously use the negation formula, we don't want the second best girl going rabid... oh wait, she already is.

u/Ordinary-Sound-571 — 2 months ago