Second Year Challenges and Success

Second Year Challenges and Success

No real tips or tricks here but it was the closest appropriate flair. Just sharing that persistence and learning work. I'm in my second full year with bees (well third, I tried 45 years ago when I was a boy), and after a successful first year and overwintering I decided to add a second hive this spring. For reference I'm located in SE PA west of Philly. The photo is my small bee yard located in a native plant meadow area we planted on our property to eliminate a small sea of grass.

I shared here how I ran into some troubles along the way--or just the usual bee stuff, but challenging in the first year. My overwintering hive struggled while my nuc from GA really took off gangbusters. The old queen in my overwintered hive was not laying well and the hive numbers were low, so I took a gamble and replaced her. Well, they killed the new queen. Meanwhile the nuc was crowded and I discovered swarm cells, so I split them to try and prevent a swarm. Less than two weeks later I learned I failed to give the nuc enough room in time and they swarmed. I am convinced I missed a first swarm while I was away for a weekend, as the swarm I caught about ten days later clearly had a virgin queen (it was a cast swarm). The nuc now was queenless, but there were about half a dozen supercedure cells still left so I left three in that hive and moved the other frame with queen cups to the hive that killed their purchased queen.

This left me about six weeks ago with four hives, only one of which had a queen, two with sealed queen cups, and the split which I bought a queen for. So three hives all needing new queens and virgin queen from my swarm. My options were limited so I had to just trust that the queens would mate and start laying. I left them all alone for two weeks to give the queens time to hatch and mate and start laying. Two weeks ago I checked and the virgin swarmed queen was laying and so was the split with the purchased queen--there was plenty of visible larvae and lots of cells with shining jelly at the bottom. The other two had signs of laying with tiny bits of white royal jelly in a lot of cells--without my reading glasses I couldn't see any eggs!

Today I checked and all of the hives are doing great. The nuc is built back up and storing away honey in the frames I extracted a few weeks ago. The re-queened hive from last year is going gangbusters and also putting away honey. The split with the purchased queen has good numbers finally and is pulling out most of the frames in their deep, so I added a second one for growth room and to help with this heat wave. Finally the cast swarm has really taken off, she seems to be a great queen. They've pulled all of the lower deep frames and laid up some honey and in the second deep about three quarters of the frames have been started to be pulled with lots of honey and some brood in the lower parts of a few middle frames.

The moral of the story is...just keep at it! Manage the bees the best you can and then trust them to do what's best and raise new queens. Obviously I had to step in to limit the number of queen cells, and swapping them between hives helped me get more queen-right hives. Right now I'm at where I wanted to be next year, with four hives all of which are doing well. I am now thinking I might add two more next spring!

u/Pogonia — 1 day ago
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True "Mandarin" Garnet

Seeing another post here I thought I'd share a photo or a what a true mandarin orange spessartine garnet looks like. The best of the best are a rich orange with no brown hues or yellows--just ORANGE. This 2.74-carat gem is faceted in my award-winning "Testudo" brilliant oval design; the rough was from a find in Nigeria back around 2015.

u/Pogonia — 7 days ago

Spring Harvest and Queen Update

I pulled 7 deep frames from my two biggest hives to harvest--I probably could have pulled a little more but I wanted to leave the bees enough to get through any dearth as our local flow slows down for summer. The color is amazing...we had a great local honey locust bloom this spring and I suspect that is what the honey is mostly comprised of.

In a hive update, I had ended up with two big hives with no queens, and a swarm that I think was a cast swarm with a virgin queen, and a split where the queen didn't make it--so it was looking bleak. I bought a queen for the split and after a week I saw larvae and a lot of cells with white royal jelly at the bottom, so presumably a lot of young larvae. In the other three that have/had virgin queens they all should have just started laying and when I looked I did see a lot of cells with white royal jelly at the bottom, so I am assuming a lot of very freshly-hatched larvae. I couldn't see eggs but without my reading glasses that's pretty hard for me to see, so I'm going to go with the royal jelly in the bottom as a sign of laying. Hopefully I'm right, if so I'll have gone from one hive starting the spring to four now.

u/Pogonia — 30 days ago
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Back in the 911 fold after a 13-year break

Back between 2008-2013 I drove a 997.1 4S that I loved, as I lived in SoCal and my daily commute was up and down some twisting canyon roads. When I moved back east I switched over to a Cayenne Turbo for winter driving but got tired of an SUV so since 2018 I've been driving Audi's. Alas, the RS7 I love is now discontinued and my current RS7 lease is up in a few months so I was on the hunt for something new.

I test drove an M5; too big and heavy. So Saturday I decided to go drive a Panamera as my next best RS7 replacement option. I had given up on a 911 as supplies are so tight and getting an allocation is near impossible. When I walked in the dealer, right next to the Panamera I was interested in was this newly-delivered GTS. That was all it took....and I walked out with it. Never thought I would like white and never would have ordered it, but I actually really like the look with the gloss black exterior options; she looks like an Imperial Storm Trooper. So happy to be back in a 911!

u/Pogonia — 1 month ago

Well they did it

I had also split this swarmed hive into a nuc a week ago in the hopes I *might* suppress the swarming urge, but that seems to have been a failure. I decided to move the nuc to a deep today and I couldn't find a queen and it looks like the queen cell I thought I was giving them was a dud as it hasn't hatched and it should have at least 3-4 days ago. My question: Do order a queen for that small nuc or just let them die out and swap their combs back into the three hives I now have?

Now for the rest of the swarming story; it was my first swarm as this is only my second year with bees--and last year I started right after swarm season with a swarmed split from a local beekeeper.

I had asked about this hive a few weeks ago--it was an overwintered nuc from Georgia that just exploded here in SE PA after I got it in late March, and was clearly ready to swarm. For a bit I thought the queen had died as I couldn't find her anywhere, but clearly not--I went out today and there was a swarm just finishing settling on a tree near the hive--luckily only about six feet off the ground.

I managed to get them into a new deep and stole two frames of empty drawn comb from my other weak hive that I am trying to requeen using supercedure cells from the hive this swarm left. I checked both of those hives quickly and found hatched queen cells in both--by my math they should have hatched anywhere from Thursday through Saturday. We've had pouring rain since Wednesday--over six inches in the last few days--so today was the first opportunity for swarming and likely the first for any mating flights for the queens.

Now I'm just going to wait ten days to give the queens time to mate and start laying.

u/Pogonia — 1 month ago

Confirming my choice

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Obligatory: Second year beekeeper, located in SE Pennsylvania.

So I posted here first about two weeks ago with a weak hive with a struggling older queen. The consensus was to re-queen, which I had planned on. I bought a new queen and apparently they just didn't like her: four days after putting her in there, they had chewed through the candy plug and she was nowhere to be found in the hive. Checked again a few days later, still not there and they were making supercedure cells.

Meanwhile, I have a nuc I got from Georgia back in March and it just was going nuts. I had added a second brood box only about two weeks after they got moved into their first full brood box from the nuc box, and they pulled that all in a week and in two weeks had stuffed it with brood. I found charged queen cups about ten days ago but still had a queen in there and they hadn't swarmed, so as part of the management of the weak hive, I had moved two frames of capped brood over there to reduce the swarming urge if possible.

Well, when I checked the attempted re-queen it was also time for the weekly check on the nuc and...dang it, I couldn't find a queen at all. I couldn't find any eggs at all and there were now supercedure cells in the nuc. A lot of them. Like a dozen. I squashed a bunch but left 6-8 in case I needed them. I thought maybe I missed the queen, so three days ago I checked again. No queen and a few more supercedure cells and lots of small empty queen cups on the bottoms of the frames. No eggs visible either and very few young larvae so it seems if there was a queen she hadn't been laying for quite a few days.

I made a command decision then to move over one of the frames with nearly-capped supercedure cells to the weak hive to let them raise a new queen with the better genetics of the nuc. Today I checked again, and those are all capped, so I'm hoping they can raise a new queen. The nuc still is STUFFED with bees, and there were a few more charged supercedure cells I had probably missed the other day.

Based on this, I decided to use my nuc box to start a third hive, and pulled one of the frames with three supercedure cells, two other frames of brood and two of honey and made a new nuc that I located about six feet away with the weak hive in between it and the hive I pulled it from. I shuffled around the brood and honey frames in the two-deep nuc to put three capped supercedure cells in the middle of the bottom deep with brood on either side and honey on the outer two, and then moved the remaining brood in the upper box all to the center, and replaced the absent frames with new unpulled frames of foundation. I squashed the uncapped supercedure cells and I put the two honey supers back on that hive as they have started filling a frame in each super.

So now to my questions. I've either missed the queen in the nuc multiple times AND she's not laying or apparently she died, as I don't think they swarmed. Just way too many bees in there. I don't think she was a young queen as she had paint on her that was mostly rubbed off so I think she was a split queen not a fresh one from late last year. So now I have three hives all without queens. Not what I wanted.

Am I right to have put about 3 capped supercedure cells into each one? Based on what I've read, I don't want a lot more than that to avoid having serial queens hatching and swarming. What do I do now? If I have the timing right, the queens will all be hatching in about a week. I'm planning on just leaving them alone for 8-9 days to give them time to hatch. Or do I need to check closer to the hatch date and if I see a good hatched virgin queen, do I do something else? Any advice appreciated!

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u/Pogonia — 2 months ago

I'll preface this with my location--SE Pennsylvania, just near the DE border. So I started last year with a split from a local beekeeper. It has struggled and I'm requeening that one this week (I had asked about it here last week).

Now to my other hive, started this spring from a nuc from Georgia. I got that the last week of March and put them in a new 8-frame deep around April 1. Within a little over a week they had pulled all three new frames of foundation, and at two weeks they had filled them up so I added a second deep. Its now about 5 weeks with the second deep, and as of about ten days ago they had almost totally pulled and filled the second deep with brood and honey in the outer frames, but with room to add more. I added a super a week ago.

Today I was in the other hive to find and squash the queen (The Queen is dead, long live the Queen!) as the new one arrives tomorrow. While doing that I decided to check in on the other hive, which I had last checked three days ago. They were so busy with bees streaming out I figured it wouldn't hurt. Three days ago there were maybe 3-4 queen cups that I squashed. All on the bottoms of the frames. One had an egg.

Today...wow. I think I squashed 10-11 queen cups. All on the bottoms of the frames, and some of them were quite long--but none were capped. About 2/3 of them had royal jelly and while I didn't see any larvae, I have to assume they had small larvae in them. At best they might have been a week old if I had missed them three days ago.

My question now is do I add a third deep? They haven't started pulling the comb in the super at all, which I found odd as they have pulled the brood comb super fast when I've put it in there. But I feel like they must feel crowded if they have so many queen cups.

Help! I have a few more 8-frame deeps so I can slap one on with no trouble, but I wonder what that will mean for them working on honey supers. We are just starting a high flow with honey locusts bursting into bloom everywhere in the last 48 hours.

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u/Pogonia — 2 months ago

OK, I'm a sort-of-second year beekeeper located in SE Pennyslvania. I had kept bees with a friend almost 45 years ago when I was boy and things have changed...a lot. But overall much is the same. However, I have a dilemma on my one hive that I haven't dealt with in the past.

I started last year with a local nuc that had the queen already in it. They did OK last year but were noticeably more aggressive than any other bees I've had. She seemed to lay pretty well, but they didn't put up a lot of honey or pull a lot of comb last year and I ended up feeding them heavily in the fall to make sure they made it through the winter.

This spring I added a new nuc from Georgia. They are going gangbusters. In a week they pulled three frames of brood comb in my 8-frame box, so I put another deep 8-frame on it and a week later they had pulled a LOT of comb in that box and were laying up honey and pollen in it. This weekend I checked again and now three weeks in the new queen has filled quite a bit of the upper box center frames with brood. The nuc is now at least as strong as the overwintered hive.

The overwintered hive in contrast didn't really do much in the last week when the honey flow was good and the new nuc was making big progress. And they are now even meaner...like bees swarming and banging off of my hat, and stinging my suit. One even managed to sting me through the suit. The brood pattern doesn't look as uniform as the new nuc either. Only 2-3 small queen cups at the edges of a few frames. And soooo spicy. I got attacked walking by the hive Sunday and today I just walked out towards the hives to look at whether I needed to trim any meadow plants in front of them and I was attacked by several of them and one stung my ear. They chased me a good 50 yards from the hive.

All of this is telling me it's time to squash that queen and get a new one. If I'm wrong, tell me. I'd like some recommendations on where to get a queen and any links to show the best way to re-queen so I get this right.

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u/Pogonia — 2 months ago