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Currently have E2S1 archer and E1S5 (DDD) Sparkle so I plan to pull Rin's E0S1 after I get E1 Gilgamesh for my Saber team. So like the title, is building her with like 150 speed (my Sparkle is 169) and like 100/120+ or smth crit ratios worth all the hassle in relic farming and rerolls? Or is 2pc 2pc speed to just get as high speed as possible the better route?

I know Rin's mdps or damage potential really comes from her eidolons but, at E0S1, is her damage so negligible that 2pc 2pc speed is justifiable over building her like a proper dps? If it helps I plan on getting her E2S1 sometime in the future so all my fate units are E2S1 but she will be stuck at Archer's team since I don't have Cerydra aswell.

So I plan to get E1 Gil to upgrade my E2S1 Saber and I plan to round that team off with E2 Mblade plus HuoHuo.

I already have relics planned for them but I needed help with the Planars, for context my Saber uses her old Scholar set with Salsotto while my Gil will plan to use Duke. And if it helps my MBlade just uses the usual Smith then Bone Collection set.

Here are my options and ideas but I don't know which would be best

1. City

- Attack plus teamwide CD

- Will I not be overcapping on Attack due to Duke and his already loaded kit plus City along with it?

2. Lushaka

- Energy Regen plus Saber Attack Buff

- Does Gil really care for energy regen? Like I know he has a big energy cap on ult but does he care for energy regen stats or does his traces do the work (sorry if it sounds stupid I don't know how energy regen thing works with the fixed regen and all that stuff)

3. Izumo

- Attack plus CR

- Since both Saber and Gil are destruction, as an alternative if I want to hit stat requirements easier is it worth it or not really unless it has insne stats?

4. Salsotto

- CR plus Fua/Ult Damage

- I'm curious here, since Gil's ult and Saber's ult will now count as FuAs as well, will Salsotto's Damage boost apply two times? Like since their ults will count as both FuA and Ult due to MBlade's E2? And if so is that worth or are other options better?

Substats;

Orb: I assume the same with most DPS which is Damage > Attack but whichever has better subtats?

Rope: Energy Regen or Attack?

Edit: Just found out about Cosmic Life Science Institute's kit so there's that too. I guess it automatically is better than Salsotto or Izumo but how does it fare against City's Attack plus Teamwide CD

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As of right now, I run E2S1 Saber with E1S1 Sunday, Rmc/Ruan Mei/Mblade (whoever's free), and E0S1 Dhpt.

I plan to get the free Gil as my Archer's already E2 and seeing as Saber/Gil team is the best performance for both of them, I will be investing into Gil's E1 to improve their performance and then run them with E2S5 (Tutorial) Mblade with Hh for the most part. What relics are the best for this team? I've already seen that Gil's best set is Duke with E2 Mblade and as I have no more plans of getting Ashveil or Aventurine SP he will be staying on this team for the most part so is Duke still Gil's best set? As for Saber, I have her on Wavestrider but seeing as the team will have no buffers should I opt back for Scholar or will Eagle be better? If Saber runs Eagle, do I still go Duke for Gil or do I also Eagle? My Mblade already has a good Smith set with Bone so I don't plan on changing it to Eagle Vonwacq convo anytime soon for the most part so am I mainly having concerns with Saber's relics.

As for substats, I assume Gil runs no speed and just amp his attack so that he hits like a nuke when he does ult and Saber with no AA also runs no speed? Or is there still a breakpoint I should hit

I have not been a relic optimizer for the longest time and have been running E0 Sparkle (recently E1) at 145 speed on Sacerdos with my E2S1 Archer and have been getting solid clears. I want to rebuild my Sparkle and do it properly with Rin releasing around the corner.

Is 200 speed necessary or no? And is it alright to run her on pseudo 200 speed instead? What's the point of having a hyperspeed Sparkle with Archer? 2nd what are my targets OUTSIDE of battle with E1? Do I keep the build with Sacerdos? Do I switch over to Eagle? And how much of a factor does DDD play? I used to just run her with Past and Future but I've seen majority run her with S5 DDD which I do have a copy of on my benched Ruan Mei. Also I assume I shoukd switch my Broken Keel to Lushaka's? So how do I go about building her?

On another note though, I just want what's best for my Archer for the most part. I've seen that teams want Rin to be faster to apply her Ult before Sparkle pulls Archer through the order but I'm fine with running a 134 or 143 Rin so I don't mind how fast Sparkle needs to be

So since V5 is basically the version of Gil we'll be getting on release, I've come to accept that we have been severely disappointed and is Hoyo basically saying fuck you for giving us god-tier free units in Archer and DHPT recently, so they've decided to not have that happen again in the worst way possible with the way they handled Gil's kit (which is basically just RMC's fault and will pretty much doom any Energy based DPS/Teams for the future)

I still want to use him as I've loved fate for a long time now even way before I've started playing HSR and Gil being a favorite of mine, it'd be a disservice to just bench him.

Anyways, is Saber really his BIS team by a mile? How do Ashblade comps compare?

I have E2S1 Saber who currently runs with E1S1 Sunday and E0S1 DHPT but I also have E2S0 MBlade. As of today I have 150 pulls saved and my two main routes are to leave Gil at E0S0, slap Fall of the Aeon on him and run him with Saber Sunday Dhpt so that I can fully save for Ashveil's Rerun plus Aven SP. (RMC is being used as EMC on the Eva team along with HuoHuo so that's why that Saber team will be left like that)

2nd Route is to Abandon Saber, Run Ashblade wheelchair and fully invest on Gil next patch to get the free LC at 200 pulls while getting his eidolons.

I can't decide what to prioritize rn, I just want to use Gil and have a fun time playing his team. I'm in no rush to build a new team at all and don't care for that since I already have break premium, Eva, and Archer so I have flexible lineups for endgame content. I'm just curious to what everyone else will/would do with their Gil