u/Rakayum

Obligatory, I am not a doctor, I am self medicating, this is not advice, I can’t condone my method.

For anyone who hasn’t been following I’ve taken a sort of radical “brute force” approach which has allowed me to stave off cravings and withdrawal.

Recap with corrections
Day 0-kratom in the morning, 10mg Valium to sleep
Day 1- woke up in full withdrawl. 4mg suboxone for the first time, best day
Day 2- 10mg Valium morning, 10 at night
Day 3 - completely sober
Day 4 - adderall in the morning, long productive day, 10mg Valium to sleep, didn’t work, another 10, nothing. Meal>hot bath>Non thc CBD. Sleep
Day 5- sober all day, exhausted all day, tough one, ended up missing the gym because I was just so tired and drinking a couple beers, smoked cbd and I was OUT.

Issue: I don’t drink for the specific reason that even a small amount of alcohol gives me debilitating long lasting hangovers. I believe I slept 9-2:30am, drank one more and slept until 9. Despite drinking a ton of water I still woke up feeling like complete ass.

Solution: as a (sadly) experienced drug user I knew what to do, and took a 2mg Xanax bar. Dangerous shit, haven’t taken any in weeks but hangover was cured.

Side note: i am diagnosed with general anxiety so Xanax and klonopin affect me quite differently than others. Brain fog gone, normal appetite, clear thinking, motivation, they make me what I consider to be normal, but I NEVER take Xanax more than once a week. I know the Valium is a benzo but they are definitely different.

Ate a huge breakfast, gathered my bouldering gym gear together and went rock climbing for the first time in maybe 2 years?

Now this is where I made a questionable decision, while the Xanax had my head right it didn’t exactly have me feeling energized, so I took an adderall on the way to the gym, probably should’ve just grabbed an energy drink but what’s done is done. (Don’t mix drugs don’t do drugs)

It kicked in right when I was done with my warmup and I was UNSTOPPABLE. For anyone who knows bouldering I was able to complete a v4 despite not climbing for so long. Did some bicep work and once the endorphins hit combined with my favorite hobby and what was in my system I was euphoric. I didn’t go home, I went and washed and cleaned my car, ran a couple errands, went home and did all the laundry and ate. Then headed to my project (job basically) to meet some buyers and work.

Problem is, about the time I got there it felt like something unplugged and my motivation switched right off. I attribute this to the adderall comedown which is usually terrible for me but the Xanax counteracted most of it. Still I powered through and got a lot done. By the time I got home about 8:30 I felt more or less fine. 9pm right now and I plan to eat soon, head to the gym and do some cardio. Hot bath after, some cbd, and hopefully I’ll sleep.

Tomorrow id like to try sobriety but i anticipate it being a rough day as the suboxone will be nearly fully eliminated from my system. CBD has been helping. The non thc kind. Alcohol was a mistake, but I can’t say for sure I won’t drink again at some point during all this. I’m aware I’m treading dangerous ground putting all this stuff in my system but I’ve kicked any substance I ever ended up hooked on quite easily except for kratom/7oh so I’m not worried about getting hooked on anything.

The big lesson I learned today is that I need to start exercising in the morning not at night. And definitely am getting back into rock climbing id actually forgotten how much I loved it and it was my favorite thing to do.

Sorry for the long one, but thanks to everyone who comments and engages its been a huge source of strength through all this

Obligatory, I am not a doctor, I am self medicating, this is not advice, I can’t condone my method.

For anyone who hasn’t been following I’ve taken a sort of radical “brute force” approach which has allowed me to stave off cravings and withdrawal.

Recap with corrections
Day 0-kratom in the morning, 10mg Valium to sleep
Day 1- woke up in full withdrawl. 4mg suboxone for the first time, best day
Day 2- 10mg Valium morning, 10 at night
Day 3 - completely sober
Day 4 - adderall in the morning, long productive day, 10mg Valium to sleep, didn’t work, another 10, nothing. Meal>hot bath>Non thc CBD. Sleep

Every day since day 1 I have: engaged in some form of heavy exercise, taken a walk in the sun followed by stretching, a hot bath at night and more stretching.

Please correct me if I’m wrong here.

The dose of subs is now around 100+ hours old, half life has definitely expired. My research indicates that it will affect me for about 50 more for a week total, meanwhile the chemical it metabolizes into “norbupenorphrine” will stay with me for about 2 weeks total since the initial dose. Effectively meaning my opiate receptors are at least slightly being touched.

Today was tough. Noticeably less motivation than I’ve had the last few days. Exhausted for the first half of the day, emotional.

Craving…anything, but today’s goal is sobriety and besides a bit of Cbd and a cigarette I’m okay. It’s definitely bearable.

Things got better when I forced myself to get up and go do stuff. I haven’t been able to force myself to do anything in over a year when not using so i guess that’s progress.

As for the soon to be end of my day I’m going to the gym to lift heavy and do some cardio. Hopefully sleep comes tonight. The difficulty level of my situation has definitely increased but i feel a strange sense of determination somewhere in there.

I really wanted to thank everyone who’s been commenting on my posts i realized yesterday just how much of a source of strength this community has been.

Tomorrow I’ll probably end up using something to stave off cravings even if it’s just a couple of beers. But hey maybe not.

BUT a couple people have asked me to update so I will, if I am in violation in any way please just remove the post I guess. I made my post history here public for anyone who feels like seeing what is apparently still working for me.

That said I am not a doctor, I am self medicating, this is not advice, I can’t condone my method but by golly I’m 4 days off Kratom or 7 for the first time in a year and have been able to mitigate withdrawl I’d say 90% or more.

Quick recap. Day 1 24 hours after my last dose of Kratom in full withdrawal, I took what I can only describe as a life changing 4mg dose of suboxone, 24 hours of feeling completely normal, slept normal. Day 2 10mg Valium in the morning and 10mg at night. Day 3 completely sober.

Day 4 today. Didn’t sleep much last night. Today I took adderall at 11:30 am and headed to my project where I spent a solid 5+ hours focused and hard working. Tbh, I hate adderall and uppers in general because of the comedown. Despite that i can safely say I have had zero opiate craving of any kind. It’s been over 72 hours (80) since the dose of suboxone, and my research indicates that once metabolized the leftover byproduct can stay in you for a week, so my goal is to wait the 150 hours before I even think about taking another (smaller) dose of suboxone, but I don’t want it to come to that. As many of you nice people warned me suboxone can be highly addictive so unless I end up back in opiate withdrawal I don’t see any reason to take it.
Same of course goes for the Valium, definitely lets me sleep and eliminates RLS but I know all too well how addictive benzos can be.

Tomorrows goal is complete sobriety like day 3 and I think if i can do that and don’t have any kind of withdrawl I’ll feel a lot more confident about the situation.

I’m not exactly proud of my approach, but I’ve been desperate and unable to quit or handle withdrawl, depression, anehdonia, rls, insomnia, etc. There’s a ton of room for error in what I’m doing but I finally have hope for the first time in over a year.

Edit: every day since day 0 I have taken a long walk in the sun followed by a stretching session. every day since day 1 I have engaged in some form of heavy exercise, mostly lifting weights and a bit of high bpm cardio. Hot bath at night before bed, epsom salt in it, stretching session after.

Timeline is as such.

Night before day 1., 10mg of Valium to sleep.

Day1: woke up in full withdrawl, cravings, rls, horribly depressed. Tried 4mg suboxone for the first time in my life and the entire next 24 hours was amazing, I felt as if I had before I ever touched Kratom.

Day2: no suboxone today, 10mg valium about 3pm, 10mg more at 2am to sleep.

Day 3: now about 48 hours no suboxone. Still not feeling any cravings for the most part. Didn’t sleep too too much but I don’t want to take any more Valium today. Wondering if I should try maybe 1-2mg of suboxone today depending on whether I feel withdrawal from Kratom/7oh later on.

It’s now been nearly 72 hours since my last dose of Kratom and well over a week since I had 7 last. Was using the leaf to get past 7 withdrawl.

I still feel pretty normal definitely not as amazing as that first day of suboxone but still, does this mean I’m getting better that quickly or is it just the long half life of suboxone? Used Kratom for a year and 7oh about 3 times in that period, for a month or less at a time.

Yesterday I posted the title sans Day 2, and got a lot of replies so thank you to everyone who contributed. Thought i'd give an update.

it has now been over 48 hours since i last took kratom, 36 hours ago i took 10mg valium to fall asleep suffering horrible withdrawls and RLS, the whole nine yards, resulting in me taking 4mg suboxone 28 hours ago.

yesterday was quite simply one of the best days ive had in over a year. I wasn't high, I just experienced no withdrawal and no cravings, I felt as normal as i had before i ever touched the stuff. More than that was the motivation and energy, no task was beyond doing or even worth a second thought, i just got up and did whatever i had been putting off. That night i went to the gym, and got home about 11pm, in bed at 12, and slept, real restful sleep until about 10am. This morning i felt about 1/2 to 1/3 as good as yesterday, so i decided to take another valium instead and it helped tremendously.

A major thing i did yesterday based on the comments was to do a lot of research on suboxone and unfortunatley came to the conclusion that, knowing me, I could easily become hooked on this stuff, so i've decided I'm not taking any today, and if tomorrow is getting rough i'm going to cut one of the 4mg strips in half and take only 2mg to see how that works.

I'm wondering how accurate all this sounds for anyone who's experienced anything simliar in their road to recovery.

I’ve been taking Kratom for about a year now, tried tapering and gotten down to like 5gpd, but unfortunately always end up increasing, last month I lapsed back into 7, quit and am currently using leaf to get over that. It’s been maybe 4-5 days since my last 7 dose and 20g on the first day helped me not feel terrible, a little less each day and I was able to sleep at least.

Yesterday I took about 14g, 7 in the morning, 7 in the afternoon. That day a friend gave me 2 suboxone strips and some Valium 10mg. I went about my day and after getting home from the gym at about 12am and in bed at 1 the symptoms started pretty bad, unable to sleep and my whole body feeling the need to constantly stretch. So I took a Valium and it was lights out, but I woke up drenched in sweat and still feeling pretty terrible.

SO, today I took one full strip, buprenophine 4mg and naloxone 1 mg…and I feel perfectly fine. No cravings. No symptoms, not even any Anehdonia, fatigue , or depression which are the main things that bring me down.

I have one left and am wondering how long they last? I guess I’ll find out but when I do should I take the other one? Or just half? Or just tough it out until tomorrow and maybe take half a Valium if I can’t sleep. I don’t want to trade my Kratom problem in for another substance but it’s very pleasant not having to take Kratom or even want to

i dont want to break rule number 4 but I'm kinda just seeeing if anyone with a keen eye is availalbe to standby while i see if this will happen, it might take a little while idk yet and sorry in advance for wasting anyoens time. I've gotten pretty decent at the identification process over the years but definitley want a second set of eyes.

if there is some kind of active chat channel for this please direct me there

EDIT: found the discord lol =b