PSA about Torrent PSU position

I was a happy Torrent user up until recently. All my monitored temps were great, I even experimented a bit with switching front fans for AP181 but found Fractals better all around. Acoustics were also great, everything seemed fine.

Come August of this year and a tremendous heatwave hits my location. Under AC my room temps werent dropping much under 30C. The system took this in stride, CPU and GPU temps remained well under the limits, 75C Tdie on CPU and 84C hotspot on GPU. The system was not tuned for airflow, all the fans had custom fan curves but they really werent pulled back too much, bottom fans were ~800RPM and fronts at about 650RPM. CPU is 9600X cooled by NH-D15 G2 (~800RPM) and GPU is Sapphire Radeon 9070XT Pure (~1500RPM).

It was all well and good on the things we all monitor, RAM and GPU RAM temps were also fine, VRM's, all you can read, but I didnt think about PSU temp nor could I read it. After a couple of days of hard gaming at elevated ambient temp my PSU, Corsair RM850x v2018 blew up violently and I was wondering what the hell went wrong. PSU's are rated at 50C ambient, at least this was, at full load, mine was doing 60% at best, at 30C ambient that really shouldnt be the cause. As I looked at the Torrent design I realized that PSU isnt fed true ambient (room) but case ambient. Once I changed the PSU I did some testing on the air that is circulating at the PSU vent opening with a temperature probe and its catastrophic to say the least.

With all case fans and all component fans running adequately fast to cool down all the components at 30C room temp well within their spec your PSU wont be cooled properly, it wont be cooled at all, it will be heated, substantially. Once I probed the air right under the PSU fan, dead center, while the system was running a decently demanding game, total system power 470W, the air temp was measured at 47C basically 5 minutes into the game, I stopped the test at 50C but thats about where it would find equilibrium. This is the "ambient" feeding your PSU in a default setup Torrent. I tried upping the front fans by a lot and even with completely destroyed acoustic profile (jet engine sounds) that "ambient" didnt drop under 44C.

If you have a more powerful system, that outputs even more heat, you are definitely shorting PSU lifespan by making it run at +15-20 over room ambient. If you live in a hot climate this is detrimental to your PSU. Furthermore, most cases consider PSU a closed system, this one doesnt, but it doesnt warn you of implications either.

There should at least be something about setting custom curves in the manual but even on default the problem isnt solved, its just becomes barely in spec, provided your ambient doesnt go over 30C. I checked, there isnt anything even hinting this. No warnings about PSU temps with any fan orientation or anything regarding minimum fan speeds. There really ought to be.

TL;DR Fractal owes me a PSU. Torrent case is feeding "case ambient" to your PSU which might be well over the safe limit if your true ambient (room) get a bit hotter (30C or over). It aint peachy on 25C either, barely in spec, at the edge of it.

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u/RealAlphaKaren — 7 days ago

Torrent with AP181

I was wondering for a while what would the effect of AP181 be in a Torrent case and since i couldn't find anyone doing this i decided to do it. Found two AP181 on discount and here are the results.

My baseline was default Torrent 18cm fans and swapped out 14cm fans for Noctua NF-A14s as i already had em from previous case. Opposed to that i put a full 18cm build with 2xFractal 18 and 2xAP181. Fractals were put in the corner position as they do not have the "waveguide" tech and just spray air around, AP181 were positioned on the front top and bottom back.

I'm in the middle of a heatwave and i turned off the AC so this is pretty gnarly scenario at 32.5C ambient, but that's kinda intentional. The setups are noise normalized at just shy under 30 dBA. For test the machine ran Doom Dark Ages Siege I segment on loop for 20 min when measurements were taken. The sound measurements were taken with B&K 2250 SPL meter 50cm in front of the case, dead center. Done multiple runs, the results were very stable. Peaks were recorded only if they were 2C over avg.

Just wanna say that there is no good 18cm fan out there. Fractal 18s can be controlled ok (cant stop em in pwm mode) but they have a clicking sound that can be heard on low speeds, they are also super noisy from mid to high speed. Similar situation with AP181, which doesnt have a clicking sound but the motor is shit and it whirs at low speeds. Also, if you go under 420 RPM they do start to click and shut down (marketing brochure claims 300 RPM as minimum). They scale noise much better being much quieter than Fractals at mid speeds. Sure, on max both of these sound horrible but Fractals even more so. They are far better on the low end (can be inaudible >20dBA) if there wasnt a clicking sound which does not add to the total sound level, just annoys you. AP181 whir is louder but its constant so it wont distract as much.

That being said AP181 does shine on medium settings, look at those CPU and RAM results, in a Torrent no less, a case with already top notch CPU cooling. 7C difference is no joke on a already well optimized system. It seems AP181 is much better at guiding air thru Torrents massive front and getting it where its needed. It also didnt do almost anything for the GPU, prob because of the short distance where "waveguide" tech doesnt really get to shine.

All in all, very interesting results. Next im gonna try NF-A14s all around when i borrow 3 more and see if that can at least keep up with the Fractal 18s result without the clicking noise. I doubt anything can come close to AP181 on CPU results, that thing rocks for covering distance in a big case.

EDIT: First two rows of results are sound measurements in dBA, forgot to mark that.

u/RealAlphaKaren — 11 days ago

Laminate floor boards separating a bit

The floor is Tarkket 10mm laminate boards which were installed last summer, about a year ago. They have been tempered prior to install and installed in pretty hot weather which is what were also having right now. This happened maximum a week or two ago. Nothing out of the ordinary happened at that spot.

The doorstep that is installed at the door is also a transition strip, theres expansion room under it but the doorstep was glued down with low expanding PU foam which might have closed that expansion space somewhat. I was kinda generous applying it but none of it leaked, less would have prob done the job. In any case, 3 of the boards that finish at the doorstep are separating just slightly, one is almost doing 1mm of separation, others are almost not even noticeable.

Whats the course of action here, should i remove the doorstep and then try to tap them back in or just fill the opening with colour matched caulk for flooring and call it a day? Has the locking mechanism already failed? The subfloor is decently flat, no squeaks, low/high spots, etc.

u/RealAlphaKaren — 3 months ago
▲ 4 r/tcltvs

55C6KS is a terrible TV for upscaled content

The first picture is TCL 55C6KS and the second picture is Samsung Q80T from 2020., the subtitles are from local cable brodcasted thru their streaming app, same thing when its connected with their box thru HDMI.

All the processing is turned off on both TV's. Samsung is giving a natural render, as you'd expect but TCL is using some sharpening algorithm even tho every "dynamic" and processing option is turned off. Tried movie mode, pc input, different HDMI's, Plex, Netflix... it all has a sharpening filter when upscaling from 1080p.

This is quite frankly unacceptable, is it like this on other TCL tv's?

u/RealAlphaKaren — 3 months ago
▲ 3 r/tires

New tires with slight bend?

Got these delivered from a reputable site, a large retailer, and they came with a slight bend, 2 out of 4. When i talked to support they said thats from transportation belts that they are fastened with and that will pop right back up when inflated. If not, they will exchange them but honestly i dont want to do a triple mount if i dont have to.

EDIT: Thanks everyone for reassurance, never got a new tire that looked like this.

u/RealAlphaKaren — 3 months ago