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I've been developing a speculative theoretical framework called RUFT (Relational Universe Framework Theory), investigating whether physical reality can emerge from a more fundamental structure of distinguishable relationships.

The central hypothesis is that space, time, matter, and physical laws may not be fundamental, but instead arise from stable patterns of information-preserving interactions.

1. Distinguishability as a Foundation

Two physical states are operationally distinct only if some possible interaction can distinguish them.

This suggests that physical identity may be fundamentally relational rather than spatial.

2. Emergence of Spacetime

RUFT proposes that stable information transfer and persistent relational records could generate effective causal ordering and locality without assuming an underlying spacetime geometry.

Under this hypothesis, space and time emerge from the organization of relationships rather than existing as fundamental backgrounds.

3. Physical Laws as Stable Structures

The deeper hypothesis is that physical laws may correspond to robust mathematical structures that remain stable under relational dynamics and coarse-graining.

Rather than assuming geometry and causality, RUFT attempts to investigate their emergence from more primitive constraints.

4. The Fundamental Question

If physical reality emerges from distinguishable relationships, what determines which relationships are physically realizable?

Could consistency, composability, and information preservation constrain the possible laws of nature?

The ultimate question is whether the structure of physical reality can be derived rather than assumed.

RUFT remains speculative. The next step is computationally testing whether locality, causal structure, and effective dimensionality emerge from initially non-spatial relational networks.

I'm interested in criticism from researchers familiar with quantum foundations, causal sets, information theory, and emergent spacetime.

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I've been developing a speculative theoretical framework called RUFT (Relational Universe Framework Theory), investigating whether physical reality can emerge from a more fundamental structure of distinguishable relationships.

The central hypothesis is that space, time, matter, and physical laws may not be fundamental, but instead arise from stable patterns of information-preserving interactions.

1. Distinguishability as a Foundation

Two physical states are operationally distinct only if some possible interaction can distinguish them.

This suggests that physical identity may be fundamentally relational rather than spatial.

2. Emergence of Spacetime

RUFT proposes that stable information transfer and persistent relational records could generate effective causal ordering and locality without assuming an underlying spacetime geometry.

Under this hypothesis, space and time emerge from the organization of relationships rather than existing as fundamental backgrounds.

3. Physical Laws as Stable Structures

The deeper hypothesis is that physical laws may correspond to robust mathematical structures that remain stable under relational dynamics and coarse-graining.

Rather than assuming geometry and causality, RUFT attempts to investigate their emergence from more primitive constraints.

4. The Fundamental Question

If physical reality emerges from distinguishable relationships, what determines which relationships are physically realizable?

Could consistency, composability, and information preservation constrain the possible laws of nature?

The ultimate question is whether the structure of physical reality can be derived rather than assumed.

RUFT remains speculative. The next step is computationally testing whether locality, causal structure, and effective dimensionality emerge from initially non-spatial relational networks.

I'm interested in criticism from researchers familiar with quantum foundations, causal sets, information theory, and emergent spacetime.

I'm exploring a speculative quantum-gravity/pregeometry idea and I'm specifically looking for people who know enough physics/math to tell me where it fails, not people to simply agree with it.

The basic intuition is that maybe the fundamental object isn't a particle, field, or even spacetime point.

Call the primitive thing a "spark" for intuition:

R_a -> R_b

where R is some underlying relational state and the arrow is a physically meaningful, distinguishable change.

The word "spark" is NOT meant literally. I mean the smallest possible event/change in a relational system.

The idea I'm exploring is:

distinguishability

↓

primitive event/change ("spark")

↓

propagation

↓

causal order

↓

quantum correlations

↓

emergent locality

↓

distance / dimension

↓

geometry

↓

holonomy / curvature

↓

gauge fields

↓

stable topological excitations

↓

matter

↓

backreaction on the relational geometry

↓

gravity

Then gravity feeds back into how the underlying events propagate.

A few things make me think this is worth investigating rather than being purely philosophical:

1. Causal-set theory shows that causal order plus volume information can recover Lorentzian geometry in appropriate continuum-like situations.

2. Quantum information gives us quantitative notions of distinguishability between quantum states, including information-geometric metrics.

3. There are approaches where entanglement structure can encode/reconstruct spatial geometry.

4. Quantum cellular automata/information-processing models have been shown to recover the Dirac equation from assumptions such as unitarity, locality, homogeneity and isotropy, and related work derives Weyl/Dirac/Maxwell dynamics in appropriate limits.

5. String-net/topological-order models demonstrate that gauge bosons and fermion-like excitations can emerge as collective/topological phenomena rather than being fundamental particles.

6. There are entanglement-equilibrium arguments connecting quantum information to Einstein's equation under specific assumptions.

I'm NOT claiming these results prove my idea. They are separate research programs and I may be connecting things that absolutely cannot be connected.

The question I'm trying to get to is much more specific:

Could there be a minimal microscopic dynamics involving only distinguishable relational states and local/composable transformations from which causal structure, quantum correlations, geometry, gauge structure and particle-like excitations all emerge?

For example, imagine a relation/distinguishability kernel

K_ij

describing how distinguishably/causally related two primitive states are.

The system evolves by

K(t) -> K(t+dt)

under some minimal rule satisfying things like:

- preservation of physically meaningful distinctions

- finite propagation

- composability of transformations

- quantum/unitary consistency

- no predefined spatial coordinates

- no predefined particles

- no predefined metric

Then measure whether the system spontaneously develops:

- locality

- causal cones

- a stable effective dimension

- an emergent distance

- a metric

- curvature

- stable topological defects

- gauge-like degrees of freedom

- relativistic field equations in a continuum limit

The "rotation" idea I originally started with has evolved into something different. I'm now thinking rotation may be a macroscopic manifestation of cyclic relational transport/holonomy rather than something fundamental.

Likewise, a particle might not fundamentally be a little object. It might be a stable self-maintaining pattern of relational changes/topological information.

And "electricity" might not be fundamental either; electromagnetic behavior could potentially be an emergent gauge structure associated with the propagation/holonomy of the underlying relational dynamics.

The biggest problem I see is circularity:

How do you define quantum subsystems/correlations without already assuming locality?

How does distinguishability become physical distance rather than merely a metric on abstract state space?

What selects the physically meaningful factorization of the underlying quantum state?

How do you get 3+1 dimensions robustly rather than just choosing them?

How do you recover Lorentz invariance?

How do you get actual U(1), SU(2), SU(3), fermions, masses, etc. rather than generic toy excitations?

And how do you get Einstein's equation rather than merely something vaguely geometric?

Those are the kinds of objections I'm looking for.

If anyone knows existing work that is mathematically close to this, especially work I may be missing, I'd really appreciate references.

Even better: if there's a known theorem showing that this type of construction cannot work, I'd like to know that too.

I'm less interested in "this sounds like X" and more interested in:

1. What is the closest existing formalism?

2. What is the correct mathematical object for the primitive "spark"?

3. What conditions would make geometry emerge?

4. What is the minimal model that could actually be simulated?

5. What is the first genuinely falsifiable prediction?

6. Where is the hidden assumption in this framework?

I'm trying to turn the intuition into mathematics, so serious criticism is welcome.

I've been developing a theory that starts from a really simple question: what if we're assuming “things” exist too early?

Maybe the most fundamental layer of reality isn't particles, fields, space, or even time. Maybe it's processes and relationships between processes.

A process changes another process. Different contexts reveal different distinctions. Some patterns persist while others disappear.

Eventually, what we call an “object” could just be a persistent pattern of relationships.

So instead of:

things → interactions → change

maybe it's:

process → distinction → relation → persistence → object

Then something even stranger happens.

If information can propagate between persistent structures, you can get causal order. If causal structure becomes sufficiently stable and local, maybe what we call distance and geometry emerge from it. Space and time wouldn't necessarily be the foundation — they could be the large-scale appearance of deeper relationships.

Then stable excitations of that structure could appear as matter, while the structure's response to those excitations could appear as gravity.

So the rough picture I'm exploring is:

processes → distinctions → persistent patterns → causality → geometry → spacetime → matter → gravity

I'm also wondering whether quantum behavior could emerge from the composition of alternative processes, rather than quantum mechanics being the absolute starting point.

I know this overlaps heavily with process philosophy, ontic structural realism, quantum foundations, causal emergence, and emergent spacetime ideas. I'm not claiming I've solved any of this.

The part I'm actually trying to figure out is much more fundamental:

What if the universe isn't made of things that interact?

What if “things” are what interactions look like when a pattern becomes stable enough to persist?

Has anyone else felt like DMT or DXM took them somewhere that felt like a completely different dimension?

I’m fascinated by how people describe certain psychedelic/dissociative experiences as feeling less like “being high” and more like going somewhere.

Different environments, entities, impossible geometry, strange beings, a sense that another reality is unfolding around you, or the feeling that you temporarily left normal reality entirely.

The weirdest part is how convincing it can feel while it's happening.

Do you think these experiences are:

1. The brain generating an extremely convincing alternate reality?

2. Some kind of altered perception of reality that we don't understand yet?

3. Something genuinely external/dimensional?

4. Something else entirely?

And if you've experienced it, what did the “other place” feel like?

So I just threw 150 seeds in about 20% Alch

Plan on letting it sit for a few days, no crushing.

Will it work?

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Abstract

This paper proposes Rotational Unified Field Theory (RUFT), a speculative framework suggesting that fundamental reality may emerge from a deeper rotational and informational structure underlying spacetime and physical fields.

RUFT proposes that the universe can be modeled as a dynamic informational field where rotational relationships, topology, and energy distribution generate the structures we observe as matter, forces, and spacetime itself.

A central hypothesis of RUFT is that extreme gravitational systems such as black holes may represent regions where the underlying informational geometry becomes highly compressed, causing ordinary physical laws to appear unified or transformed.

1. Introduction

Modern physics describes reality through separate frameworks: quantum mechanics explains microscopic behavior while general relativity explains gravity and spacetime. A major unresolved problem is creating a unified description connecting these systems.

RUFT explores the possibility that both quantum phenomena and gravitational effects emerge from deeper rotational patterns within an underlying field.

The core idea is:

Reality may not be made of objects interacting inside space, but rather patterns of information and energy creating the experience of space, time, and matter.

2. The Rotational Field Hypothesis

RUFT proposes that fundamental structures are based on rotational states.

A hypothetical RUFT field can be represented as:

R = f(I, θ, T, E)

Where:

R = rotational field state

I = information density

θ = rotational/topological configuration

T = temporal evolution

E = energy distribution

Stable rotational patterns could correspond to particles, forces, or larger cosmic structures.

3. Black Holes as Information Compression Regions

RUFT proposes a speculative interpretation of black holes:

A black hole may not only be a region where gravity becomes extreme, but a region where the underlying informational structure of reality becomes compressed toward a different state.

As matter collapses:

- Energy density increases

- Spacetime curvature increases

- Information becomes concentrated

- Rotational structures may approach a critical transition point

The singularity may represent not an actual infinitely small point, but a breakdown of our current mathematical description.

In RUFT, a black hole could be interpreted as a transition zone where many physical laws become expressions of a deeper unified rule.

4. The Universe as a Black Hole-Like Structure

Another speculative possibility explored by RUFT is whether the universe itself shares characteristics with a black hole.

If spacetime emerged from a larger informational structure, the universe could potentially resemble a self-contained gravitational system where:

- Expansion represents evolving geometry

- Matter represents stable information patterns

- Cosmic horizons represent limits of observation

This idea does not claim the universe is literally a black hole, but explores whether similar mathematical principles could describe both cosmic-scale and black-hole-scale behavior.

5. Emergence of Physical Laws

RUFT suggests that what we call physical laws may be higher-level patterns emerging from a deeper unified structure.

At extreme conditions, such as near black hole horizons or the beginning of the universe, separate forces may merge because they are different expressions of the same underlying rotational information field.

6. Predictions and Future Research

For RUFT to become a scientific theory, it would require:

1. A mathematical formulation

2. Connections to existing physics

3. Testable predictions

4. Comparison with observations

Possible research areas:

- Black hole information behavior

- Quantum gravity

- Spacetime emergence

- Topological physics

- Information theory

Conclusion

RUFT proposes a speculative view that reality may emerge from deeper rotational and informational principles. Black holes may represent extreme examples of these principles, acting as regions where spacetime, information, and physical laws approach a unified state.

While RUFT remains hypothetical, it provides a framework for exploring questions about the origin of matter, consciousness, spacetime, and the possibility that the universe is governed by a deeper informational structure.

Keywords

Rotational Unified Field Theory, quantum gravity, black holes, information theory, spacetime emergence, topology, unified physics

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Abstract

This paper proposes Rotational Unified Field Theory (RUFT), a speculative framework suggesting that fundamental reality may emerge from a deeper rotational and informational structure underlying spacetime and physical fields.

RUFT proposes that the universe can be modeled as a dynamic informational field where rotational relationships, topology, and energy distribution generate the structures we observe as matter, forces, and spacetime itself.

A central hypothesis of RUFT is that extreme gravitational systems such as black holes may represent regions where the underlying informational geometry becomes highly compressed, causing ordinary physical laws to appear unified or transformed.

1. Introduction

Modern physics describes reality through separate frameworks: quantum mechanics explains microscopic behavior while general relativity explains gravity and spacetime. A major unresolved problem is creating a unified description connecting these systems.

RUFT explores the possibility that both quantum phenomena and gravitational effects emerge from deeper rotational patterns within an underlying field.

The core idea is:

Reality may not be made of objects interacting inside space, but rather patterns of information and energy creating the experience of space, time, and matter.

2. The Rotational Field Hypothesis

RUFT proposes that fundamental structures are based on rotational states.

A hypothetical RUFT field can be represented as:

R = f(I, θ, T, E)

Where:

R = rotational field state

I = information density

θ = rotational/topological configuration

T = temporal evolution

E = energy distribution

Stable rotational patterns could correspond to particles, forces, or larger cosmic structures.

3. Black Holes as Information Compression Regions

RUFT proposes a speculative interpretation of black holes:

A black hole may not only be a region where gravity becomes extreme, but a region where the underlying informational structure of reality becomes compressed toward a different state.

As matter collapses:

- Energy density increases

- Spacetime curvature increases

- Information becomes concentrated

- Rotational structures may approach a critical transition point

The singularity may represent not an actual infinitely small point, but a breakdown of our current mathematical description.

In RUFT, a black hole could be interpreted as a transition zone where many physical laws become expressions of a deeper unified rule.

4. The Universe as a Black Hole-Like Structure

Another speculative possibility explored by RUFT is whether the universe itself shares characteristics with a black hole.

If spacetime emerged from a larger informational structure, the universe could potentially resemble a self-contained gravitational system where:

- Expansion represents evolving geometry

- Matter represents stable information patterns

- Cosmic horizons represent limits of observation

This idea does not claim the universe is literally a black hole, but explores whether similar mathematical principles could describe both cosmic-scale and black-hole-scale behavior.

5. Emergence of Physical Laws

RUFT suggests that what we call physical laws may be higher-level patterns emerging from a deeper unified structure.

At extreme conditions, such as near black hole horizons or the beginning of the universe, separate forces may merge because they are different expressions of the same underlying rotational information field.

6. Predictions and Future Research

For RUFT to become a scientific theory, it would require:

1. A mathematical formulation

2. Connections to existing physics

3. Testable predictions

4. Comparison with observations

Possible research areas:

- Black hole information behavior

- Quantum gravity

- Spacetime emergence

- Topological physics

- Information theory

Conclusion

RUFT proposes a speculative view that reality may emerge from deeper rotational and informational principles. Black holes may represent extreme examples of these principles, acting as regions where spacetime, information, and physical laws approach a unified state.

While RUFT remains hypothetical, it provides a framework for exploring questions about the origin of matter, consciousness, spacetime, and the possibility that the universe is governed by a deeper informational structure.

Keywords

Rotational Unified Field Theory, quantum gravity, black holes, information theory, spacetime emergence, topology, unified physics

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Abstract

This paper proposes Rotational Unified Field Theory (RUFT), a speculative framework suggesting that fundamental reality may emerge from a deeper rotational and informational structure underlying spacetime and physical fields.

RUFT proposes that the universe can be modeled as a dynamic informational field where rotational relationships, topology, and energy distribution generate the structures we observe as matter, forces, and spacetime itself.

A central hypothesis of RUFT is that extreme gravitational systems such as black holes may represent regions where the underlying informational geometry becomes highly compressed, causing ordinary physical laws to appear unified or transformed.

1. Introduction

Modern physics describes reality through separate frameworks: quantum mechanics explains microscopic behavior while general relativity explains gravity and spacetime. A major unresolved problem is creating a unified description connecting these systems.

RUFT explores the possibility that both quantum phenomena and gravitational effects emerge from deeper rotational patterns within an underlying field.

The core idea is:

Reality may not be made of objects interacting inside space, but rather patterns of information and energy creating the experience of space, time, and matter.

2. The Rotational Field Hypothesis

RUFT proposes that fundamental structures are based on rotational states.

A hypothetical RUFT field can be represented as:

R = f(I, θ, T, E)

Where:

R = rotational field state

I = information density

θ = rotational/topological configuration

T = temporal evolution

E = energy distribution

Stable rotational patterns could correspond to particles, forces, or larger cosmic structures.

3. Black Holes as Information Compression Regions

RUFT proposes a speculative interpretation of black holes:

A black hole may not only be a region where gravity becomes extreme, but a region where the underlying informational structure of reality becomes compressed toward a different state.

As matter collapses:

Energy density increases

Spacetime curvature increases

Information becomes concentrated

Rotational structures may approach a critical transition point

The singularity may represent not an actual infinitely small point, but a breakdown of our current mathematical description.

In RUFT, a black hole could be interpreted as a transition zone where many physical laws become expressions of a deeper unified rule.

4. The Universe as a Black Hole-Like Structure

Another speculative possibility explored by RUFT is whether the universe itself shares characteristics with a black hole.

If spacetime emerged from a larger informational structure, the universe could potentially resemble a self-contained gravitational system where:

Expansion represents evolving geometry

Matter represents stable information patterns

Cosmic horizons represent limits of observation

This idea does not claim the universe is literally a black hole, but explores whether similar mathematical principles could describe both cosmic-scale and black-hole-scale behavior.

5. Emergence of Physical Laws

RUFT suggests that what we call physical laws may be higher-level patterns emerging from a deeper unified structure.

At extreme conditions, such as near black hole horizons or the beginning of the universe, separate forces may merge because they are different expressions of the same underlying rotational information field.

6. Predictions and Future Research

For RUFT to become a scientific theory, it would require:

A mathematical formulation

Connections to existing physics

Testable predictions

Comparison with observations

Possible research areas:

Black hole information behavior

Quantum gravity

Spacetime emergence

Topological physics

Information theory

Conclusion

RUFT proposes a speculative view that reality may emerge from deeper rotational and informational principles. Black holes may represent extreme examples of these principles, acting as regions where spacetime, information, and physical laws approach a unified state.

While RUFT remains hypothetical, it provides a framework for exploring questions about the origin of matter, consciousness, spacetime, and the possibility that the universe is governed by a deeper informational structure.

Keywords

Rotational Unified Field Theory, quantum gravity, black holes, information theory, spacetime emergence, topology, unified physics

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Abstract

This paper proposes Rotational Unified Field Theory (RUFT), a speculative framework suggesting that fundamental reality may emerge from a deeper rotational and informational structure underlying spacetime and physical fields.

RUFT proposes that the universe can be modeled as a dynamic informational field where rotational relationships, topology, and energy distribution generate the structures we observe as matter, forces, and spacetime itself.

A central hypothesis of RUFT is that extreme gravitational systems such as black holes may represent regions where the underlying informational geometry becomes highly compressed, causing ordinary physical laws to appear unified or transformed.

1. Introduction

Modern physics describes reality through separate frameworks: quantum mechanics explains microscopic behavior while general relativity explains gravity and spacetime. A major unresolved problem is creating a unified description connecting these systems.

RUFT explores the possibility that both quantum phenomena and gravitational effects emerge from deeper rotational patterns within an underlying field.

The core idea is:

Reality may not be made of objects interacting inside space, but rather patterns of information and energy creating the experience of space, time, and matter.

2. The Rotational Field Hypothesis

RUFT proposes that fundamental structures are based on rotational states.

A hypothetical RUFT field can be represented as:

R = f(I, θ, T, E)

Where:

R = rotational field state

I = information density

θ = rotational/topological configuration

T = temporal evolution

E = energy distribution

Stable rotational patterns could correspond to particles, forces, or larger cosmic structures.

3. Black Holes as Information Compression Regions

RUFT proposes a speculative interpretation of black holes:

A black hole may not only be a region where gravity becomes extreme, but a region where the underlying informational structure of reality becomes compressed toward a different state.

As matter collapses:

- Energy density increases

- Spacetime curvature increases

- Information becomes concentrated

- Rotational structures may approach a critical transition point

The singularity may represent not an actual infinitely small point, but a breakdown of our current mathematical description.

In RUFT, a black hole could be interpreted as a transition zone where many physical laws become expressions of a deeper unified rule.

4. The Universe as a Black Hole-Like Structure

Another speculative possibility explored by RUFT is whether the universe itself shares characteristics with a black hole.

If spacetime emerged from a larger informational structure, the universe could potentially resemble a self-contained gravitational system where:

- Expansion represents evolving geometry

- Matter represents stable information patterns

- Cosmic horizons represent limits of observation

This idea does not claim the universe is literally a black hole, but explores whether similar mathematical principles could describe both cosmic-scale and black-hole-scale behavior.

5. Emergence of Physical Laws

RUFT suggests that what we call physical laws may be higher-level patterns emerging from a deeper unified structure.

At extreme conditions, such as near black hole horizons or the beginning of the universe, separate forces may merge because they are different expressions of the same underlying rotational information field.

6. Predictions and Future Research

For RUFT to become a scientific theory, it would require:

1. A mathematical formulation

2. Connections to existing physics

3. Testable predictions

4. Comparison with observations

Possible research areas:

- Black hole information behavior

- Quantum gravity

- Spacetime emergence

- Topological physics

- Information theory

Conclusion

RUFT proposes a speculative view that reality may emerge from deeper rotational and informational principles. Black holes may represent extreme examples of these principles, acting as regions where spacetime, information, and physical laws approach a unified state.

While RUFT remains hypothetical, it provides a framework for exploring questions about the origin of matter, consciousness, spacetime, and the possibility that the universe is governed by a deeper informational structure.

Keywords

Rotational Unified Field Theory, quantum gravity, black holes, information theory, spacetime emergence, topology, unified physics

So.. I'm 24. I have a warrant out for probation.. non crazy. I have a job. Take the bus. See my girlfriend. Things are weird in my life. I found enlightenment while I was locked up and in solitary confinement for a year. I found who I was naturally and felt hope in my heart. It just seems like I lost all that I guess. I smoked weed and do DXM sometimes. Could be that. And my phone. I always feel a push towards psychedelics because I want to feel more again. How can I do this while sober? Are breakthroughs possible thru meditation? I make music it's fun. I just don't know exactly where my life is headed at this point..

I've been thinking about something lately, and I'm curious if anyone knows of physics or philosophy that's similar.

What if the Big Bang singularity never actually "went away"? What if we're still inside it?

Instead of thinking of the singularity as just the beginning of the universe, imagine it's the fundamental reality itself. Space and time wouldn't exist before it—they would emerge from it.

My thought is that maybe the singularity isn't a point in space. Maybe it's an infinitely deep informational activity. Space is just the geometry that emerges from that activity, and time is simply the ordering of change within it.

I've also been wondering if rotation could be more fundamental than we think. Maybe stable rotational patterns create geometry, then geometry gives rise to light, matter, stars, and eventually black holes.

Another idea I can't stop thinking about is "infinite depth." If black holes can somehow lead to new universes (a speculative idea, I know), then reality could be an endless recursive structure: universes containing black holes, containing universes, and so on. But it wouldn't be separate universes—it would all be one underlying singularity expressing itself at different levels.

So instead of:

Big Bang → Universe

it would be more like:

One singularity → activity → space and time emerge → matter → black holes → deeper expressions of the same singularity.

I'm not saying this is physics or that it's true. It's just a thought experiment I've been exploring, and I'm wondering if there are existing theories or papers that go in a similar direction, or if there are obvious problems with the idea that I'm missing.

I've been thinking about something lately, and I'm curious if anyone knows of physics or philosophy that's similar.

What if the Big Bang singularity never actually "went away"? What if we're still inside it?

Instead of thinking of the singularity as just the beginning of the universe, imagine it's the fundamental reality itself. Space and time wouldn't exist before it—they would emerge from it.

My thought is that maybe the singularity isn't a point in space. Maybe it's an infinitely deep informational activity. Space is just the geometry that emerges from that activity, and time is simply the ordering of change within it.

I've also been wondering if rotation could be more fundamental than we think. Maybe stable rotational patterns create geometry, then geometry gives rise to light, matter, stars, and eventually black holes.

Another idea I can't stop thinking about is "infinite depth." If black holes can somehow lead to new universes (a speculative idea, I know), then reality could be an endless recursive structure: universes containing black holes, containing universes, and so on. But it wouldn't be separate universes—it would all be one underlying singularity expressing itself at different levels.

So instead of:

Big Bang → Universe

it would be more like:

One singularity → activity → space and time emerge → matter → black holes → deeper expressions of the same singularity.

I'm not saying this is physics or that it's true. It's just a thought experiment I've been exploring, and I'm wondering if there are existing theories or papers that go in a similar direction, or if there are obvious things I'm overlooking

I've been thinking about something lately, and I'm curious if anyone knows of physics or philosophy that's similar.

What if the Big Bang singularity never actually "went away"? What if we're still inside it?

Instead of thinking of the singularity as just the beginning of the universe, imagine it's the fundamental reality itself. Space and time wouldn't exist before it—they would emerge from it.

My thought is that maybe the singularity isn't a point in space. Maybe it's an infinitely deep informational activity. Space is just the geometry that emerges from that activity, and time is simply the ordering of change within it.

I've also been wondering if rotation could be more fundamental than we think. Maybe stable rotational patterns create geometry, then geometry gives rise to light, matter, stars, and eventually black holes.

Another idea I can't stop thinking about is "infinite depth." If black holes can somehow lead to new universes (a speculative idea, I know), then reality could be an endless recursive structure: universes containing black holes, containing universes, and so on. But it wouldn't be separate universes—it would all be one underlying singularity expressing itself at different levels.

So instead of:

Big Bang → Universe

it would be more like:

One singularity → activity → space and time emerge → matter → black holes → deeper expressions of the same singularity.

I'm not saying this is physics or that it's true. It's just a thought experiment I've been exploring, and I'm wondering if there are existing theories or papers that go in a similar direction, or if there are obvious problems with the idea that I'm missing.

To simplify it....Quantum RUFT: the universe is a unitary wavefunction on a relational graph, and spacetime is the emergent geometry of quantum interference patterns. Does this make sense in a way? Just looking for questions from you guys. If u want any math or more just comment. Thanks.

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