Does a tragic ending disqualify a story from Romance genre? What genre is it then?

I've been told that if a romance story ends tragically, not necessarily with a protagonist's death, as long as the two don't have a happily ever after, it's not romance. I feel sad about this, 'cause tragedies are memorable, conventional happy endings are forgettable. Think about Titanic, La La Land, If Only, Great Gatsby, various Nicholas Spark adaptations, just to name a few. They're really profound.

And I wonder if you guys have read any, other than the classics. It could be that one lover sacrificed for the other; one willingly left for the benefit of the other; one or both traded their relationship for career, duty or other callings.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 6 days ago

Only do you realize how precious something/someone is when you've lost it forever?

This might not be a simple trope, but rather a deep, sophisticated literary theme, a great tragedy. It's not simply “unrequited love” or “missed opportunity”, but you once had easy access to something or someone, but you'd ignored it, you didn't give much thought, you took it for granted, you knew nothing about its true value until one day it's vanished and never coming back.

The most typical example is Eugene Onegin, a sweetheart who has a crush on a guy who keeps his options open by dallying with others; a while later he is still single with no partner, he remembers the sweetheart and returns to her, but she is already with someone else. This might be a stretch, but I feel the same way with the entire human civilization, it feels like everything great, the jewels of human achievements is slipping through our fingers, stuffs used to be public and free is now being privatized and commodified, the entire history is being rewritten, so I'm trying to preserve while I still can.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 1 month ago

Will/Should Quicksand and Landmine spells be improved?

4/6/8 quicksands/landmines pop up RANDOMLY on the whole battlefield, probably two most useless spells in H3. If the hex limited to a much smaller, compact area, they'd be much more practical, though, even OP. I'm thinking about 4/6/8 quicksands/landmines in an area of 7/14/19 hexes (2/3/2 in three rows, 2/3/4/3/2 in five rows, 3/4/5/4/3 in five rows) for Basic/Advanced/Expert Earth/Fire Magic. With clever positioning, you could lure a melee stack to traipse over multiple quicksands/landmines. In H5 there's no quicksand, but landmine is limited to a 5x5 area, and it works like a charm even as a Lv 1 spell.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 1 month ago

Is "Love Square" a thing?

We have couple M1 and F1, couple M2 and F2, and a whole stack of tangled mess from there. In a common scenario, F2 is M1's ex, childhood sweetheart, frenemy or other kind of close associate; M1 and F1 quarrel over some trivial matter, F1 is then being cold to M1; M1 gets frustrated, he contacts F2 for comfort, or F2 actively approaches him, either way they touch and kiss, innocently at the beginning, and then it gets totally out of control; M2 finds out the cheating, reports to F1, or vice versa, and the two of them hook up.

In a second scenario, M2 lusts for F1, which provokes M1's jealousy, they fight over F1, which provokes F2's jealousy, she goes after F1 for a fight. That was the conflict in A Midsummer Night's Dream, if I remember it right. The first scenario though is common in many old romance dramas on CW and ABC family, in the most extreme case there're TWO love squares going simultaneously, one among teenagers, one among their parents!

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 2 months ago

Leaving a goofy friend/pesky lover for a new fancy lover, mistake and regret, back to the old one?

A rare but powerful romance trope, kind of like love triangle, except the two lovers are NOT competitive for the lead, they could be total strangers, or they could be BFFs, that one willingly yields the love of the lead to the other. The key is the lead's own change of heart, he/she realizes it's a mistake, so back to the first lover before it's too late, complete reunion and redemption.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 2 months ago

Electric Age, a Love Triangle story written in Chiastic Structure

First of all a brief definiton of the term:

"Chiastic structure, or chiastic pattern, is a literary technique in narrative motifs and other textual passages. An example of chiastic structure would betwo ideas, A and B, together with variants A' and B', being presented as A,B,B',A'. Chiastic structures that involve more components are sometimes called"ring structures" or "ring compositions", also known as "bookend technique", as the story ends exactly where it began."

In this pattern, the whole work is structured in a symmetrical pattern, the first half mirrors the second half, the whole story turns a turn at the midpoint. And usually, the protagonist's rise goes hand in hand with the antagonist's fall, which shapes like an X, hence the term, Chiasm, from greek letter X, Chi.

I wrote a short story on the theme of New Money vs Old Money from the gilded age, embodied through the struggle in a love triangle. It's not just a general fit, but a precise five-segment reversal laid out in seven sections, in an A-B-C-D-C'-B'-A' structure; and within each section, each segment in the first half precisesly mirrors its corresponding segment in the second half. For example, B-1,2,3,4,5 to B'-5,4,3,2,1, respectively; C-1,2,3,4,5 to C'-5,4,3,2,1, respectively. I wrote it to make every segment match, so every segment in the first half precisely matches the corresponding segment in the second half,

For now it's just a summary, but it's neatly laid out in this structure, so you can see.

Part 1

a. Capriccio Morgan and Beatrice Lockhart are scions of "new money" industrialists. Beatrice’s parents planned for her marriage, but she yearned for an independent life, and she had a crush on Capriccio, investor and manager of municipal electrical power grid project. She once expressed her feelings for Capriccio, but he only treated her as a close family friend.

b. Capriccio was attracted to the prestige, culture and luxury of the aristocracy, and he was infatuated with Selene Beaufort, an "Old Money" countess. He wanted to fit in the peerage for a title by marrying her.

c. Capriccio met Selene at a soiree hosted by her family at their estate. He asked around on her availability; knowing she was single, he approached to greet and court her;

d. Beatrice heard about his romantic adventure, which greatly saddened and concerned her. She refused to lose him, so she went to him, hoping to convince him that he made a terrible mistake; however, he'd made up his mind to pursue Selene.

e. Beatrice followed Capriccio into the upper class society, she still desired him even though he didn't know. She had determined to discover this glamorous world, see if she could accommodate him and win him back.

 Part 2

a. Beatrice remembered Capriccio's admiration for the Old Money aristocracy, their elegance and style.

b. At an art gala, she tried to imitate their etiquettes, styles and manners, but it all felt performative and disingenuous. Also, it didn’t go unnoticed.

c. She made a silly remark on a painting which she knew little about, her misstep raised eyebrows. The guests laughed at her social faux pas.

d. Beatrice decided to shift the conversation to her concerned topics. She talked about social reforms, education for women and welfare for workers, money should be invested in these meaningful causes, it will improve the lower classes' living condition and earn respect for the upper class.

e. The guests marveled at her vision, then passed on. One gentleman though appeared to be interested at her opinions and ideals, he introduced himself to her, and complimented her with flatteries.

 Part 3

a. Beatrice and her partner left the gala for a tryst, partner attempted to be intimate with Beatrice against her will by hugging and kissing her, supposing she was "easy" with loose sexual mores. Beatrice was offended, she scurried off to a Capriccio's place.

b. Beatrice met Capriccio in private, she told him about that sleazeball's sexual advance, Capriccio was angry, he asked for the man's name and vowed to defend her honor;

c. Beatrice shifted to complaints against all the gentlemen who ogled at her, they all sought to take advantage of her, that man was not the only one.

d. Beatrice and Capriccio discussed aristocracy. Beatrice foresaw that the transformation by the machines, industries and commerce were permanent, the old aristocratic peerage will be rendered obsolete.

e. Capriccio agreed with the economic and technological progress, but he argued that a membership in the Old Money club was the purpose of the wealth made by the New Money. Beatrice left the gala in disappointment.

 Part 4

a. Beatrice met Selene in person for the first time at the opera house, where Der Rosenkavalier was the program for the night; She saw Selene was with Capriccio, while Selene saw the connection between Capriccio and Beatrice; they exchanged pleasantries.

b. "Der Rosenkavalier" –Marschallin, a nobel lady had an affair with a young count Octavian, who was tasked to deliver a silver rose as a token of love for her cousin Baron Och's wedding with Sophie, the daughter of a rich merchant; Sophie fell in love with Octavian instead, while Och behaved toward Sophie boorishly, enraged Octavian, they had a duel; Octavian set a trap that exposed Och's perversion, his engagement with Sophie annulled, and eventually the Marschallin realized that Octavian was in love with Sophie, and let them both go. The plot uncannily mirrored the love triangle between Capriccio, Beatrice and Selene.

a. Afterward, Beatrice saw the Marschallin in herself, she realized that she was better off alone and devoted in her calling, she didn't need a husband at all; Selene though felt insecure, she decided to push her relationship with him in more proactive and aggressive moves.

 Part 5

e. Selene invited Capriccio to a ball, she told Capriccio that this was the pivotal event to make acquaintance with the Old Money and elevate his status by showing off his wealth. He proudly replied that industries were booming, markets were growing, his family was visionaries of the future.

d. Selene countered that aristocratic traditions like this ball was also the future, they were cultural heritage, money couldn't buy nobility, it was cultivated. If he wanted to be transformed into a titled nobleman, follow her, she would teach him the essentials.

c. At the ball, Capriccio had drawn attention from other ladies, for he was a coveted catch; Selene felt jealous, she extended her arm for Capriccio to hold, declaring him exclusively hers.

b. She asked Capriccio if he still had feelings for Beatrice or any other lady. Capriccio reassured her that he loved her and only her.

a. They retreated to a private parlor. Selene drew Capriccio in, Capriccio was excited. Selene teased him for being "easy" with loose sexual mores, even though it was made up, and challenged him to be intimate with her; Capriccio was happy to oblige, they hugged and kissed, and they were off to a dinner.

 Part 6

e. Selene introduced Capriccio to the guests and prompted him to tell them his business and the latest news. The guests were intrigued.

d. Capriccio shared his vision of the electric age, how it would change the world for a brighter future, households lit up by glowing bulbs at night with no fire hazard from gaslight or candles.

c. The guests laughed at him, dismissing it as magic tricks for entertainment. Capriccio felt embarrassed.

b. He tried to shift the chat to their familiar topics on politics, latest events and fashions, but he had no affinity with them, it was just pretense.

a. He remembered Beatrice's remark on the decadence of the Old Money aristocracy.

 Part 7

e. Capriccio had determined that he was incompatible with Selene and her world. He realized that Beatrice was his true love, they belonged together, it was time to leave the upper class society for her.

d. He went to visit Selene to say goodbye, explained to her his decision, he and Beatrice belonged together; Selene was grieved, but she understood, and let them go. It dawned on her that she was the Marschallin.

c. He searched for Beatrice and inquired on her availability; knowing she was single, he went out and finally saw her at a girls' school, built and funded by Beatrice's family foundation.

b. He approached her for reconciliation. He thanked her for giving him a second chance, and he was impressed at her independent spirit and compassion. The kids at the school were poor and plain, but they were genuinely happy.

a. Capriccio saw her as his soul mate, he confessed his love to her, but now she hesitated, fearing that he would reduce her to a housewife, and she had to abandon her work. He promised his full support for her cause, and proposed to her for marriage.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 2 months ago

The Moon and the Sylph - a Gothic Love Story

Short story, a tragic long triangle of double unrequited love, the right girl's for the guy and the guy's for the wrong girl, who has no interest in any man at all. It's like a psychological thriller of a guy's obsession, featuring two Chopin piano pieces though, Waltz op 64. No. 2 and Nocturne op. 9 No. 2, you might've heard them before, very familair haunting tunes.

u/Resident-West-5213 — 2 months ago

Non-competitive, non-jealous love triangle?

This might be an odd ask, since stories featuring love triangle trope is almost universally competitive and jealous, and it can get very, very ugly and silly. So I wonder if there're any romance books that feature a non-competitive, non-jealous love triangle, in this type of story, the lead character usually hangs out with one suitor, goes for the other for novelty and excitement, then back to the first who really cares about them. Doesn't have to be this order though, the lead just sways between the two. It should totally focus on the lead's and the two suitors' character development, finally the more profitable or compatible one is picked over the other by the lead's own choice and agency. Austen's Emma and its modern adaptation, Clueless, are good examples.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 2 months ago

Four major types of love triangle trope

This trope has four major types, two are called "balanced" triangle, the lead is caught in a dilemma, torn between two suitors; they could go back and forth between the two, and it's NOT obvious to the audience, until later when both suitor's characters are built, and one appears to be more profitable than the other;

The other two are "IMbalanced" triangle, the lead is already in an established relationship with one, but a third wheel barges in, often an ex-lover, which often acts as the antihero and the villain. This type often ends up tragically, either third wheel is dead, or both the lead and the third wheel are dead, at least they're heart broken.

Here's a more detailed layout of the four types, a love triangle between lead A and suitors B and C:

  1. A is equally attracted to B and C, who are not necessarily rivals, they might be friends, siblings or strangers; usually C is prettier or richer or stronger or more popular, A chooses C first; while B has a unique quality or outstanding personality appealing to A, who feels more connected, has more in common with B, and B wins out; Example: Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph choosing princess Sisi over her older sister Helene, whom he was arranged to marry; or, A is with B first, but due to misunderstanding or A's lust or other petty matters, A goes to C for rebound, until A realizes this as a big mistake, they really cares about B, so A and B reunite and clears the air. Example: Elizabeth Bennet, Mr. Wickham and Mr. Darcy. Usually this is a guy with two gals, though.
  2. B and C are equally attracted to A, and they get into a heated rivalry for A's love, doing everything they can to spend more time with A, to please A and suppress the other. Usually this is one gal with two guys, and unfortunately, it's THE most common, most popular, if not ubiquitous type of love triangle, it's the central conflict in Twilight series, This Means War, the Summer I Turned Pretty, Enchanted, and many other soapy dramas.
  3. A and B are in love, C appears out of nowhere and begins to cause trouble between the two, aiming to take A away from B, usually due to some past grievances with B, now coming back for revenge. Example: Phantom of the Opera, also very common in Lifetime tv dramas. If this is done cleverly, C could be very sympathetic and charismatic, even as the villain; or C is just a side character, only exposed as the big villain at the end;
  4. A and C are in love, but due to social barrier or obligation, A is put in a relationship with B. It could be arrangement for financial or political reasons, but a common situation is that C mysteriously disappears, assumed to be gone forever, then miraculously coming back as an ex-lover of A, when A is already with B. Example: the Notebook and many tv dramas. Back in the old days, like a decade ago in the 10s, this could be the cliffhanger at the end of a season
  5. finale!

I'm asking this because recently I've written four short stories around love triangle trope, three on #1 and one on #4. #1 is my personal favorite, but it's extremely rare, #2 is the most common one, as I said, and it really annoys me. Maybe ladies are into it, but me a straight guy is a sucker for #1, and a bit of nostalgic for #4. I wonder if you guys have any recommendation for #1, it could be a “virtue vs appearance” or “superficial status vs emotional connection”.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 2 months ago

[Post-Apocalypse World] ATLANTIS The Sanctuary Continent

NOTE: this is an imaginary alternate earth, Atlantis is a seventh continent, Antarctica in this setting is only its southern tip; there're four powers representing the four cilivizations from the Old World, Samarian the Middle East in West Atlantia, Thalassia East Asia in Southwest region of North Atlantia, Caldria America in the Northeast region of North Atlantia, Altantia Europe in East Atlantia, a huge inland sea like the Mediterrenean Sea in the middle. The entire Old World was knocked out by EMP strikes, meaning no electricity any more, no more any 20th and 21st century technology; more than half of the population died, warlords took over, survivors fled to Atlantis.

ATLANTIS

The Sanctury Continent

"History did not end with the fall of the Old World. It merely found a quieter shore."
— Inscription above the Hall of Chronicles, Gloria

Chapter I — The Forgotten Continent

On most maps of the Old World, the South Pacific appeared as an endless expanse of blue separating Oceania from South America. Beyond New Zealand, nothing but scattered islands interrupted the ocean until the coast of Chile emerged on the eastern horizon.

Those maps were wrong.

In this alternate Earth, Antarctica was never the vast frozen continent known to history. Instead, it was only a comparatively small polar landmass, attached to the southern reaches of a far greater continent stretching across the southwestern Pacific. This immense land was Atlantis—the true seventh continent, hidden from history by distance, hostile seas, and one of nature's strangest wind systems.

Atlantis formed an enormous irregular ring around the Aurelian Sea, an inland sea nearly half the size of the Mediterranean. Sheltered by surrounding mountains and fed by countless rivers descending from the glaciers of South Atlantis, the Aurelian Sea became the cradle of every great civilization upon the continent.

The northern coast faced the Pacific Ocean behind the colossal Northern Atlantis Cordillera, a mountain chain rivaling the Andes in scale. Moist ocean winds released their rain upon the seaward slopes, covering them in dense temperate rainforest. Beyond the peaks, however, the air descended dry and hot, producing one of the greatest rain shadows on Earth. Northern Atlantis became a vast wilderness of mesas, salt flats, rugged rangelands, and mineral-rich deserts.

To the south, the land rose once again into permanent ice. Though almost uninhabitable, South Atlantis—known simply as Antarctica—supplied the freshwater upon which the continent depended. Its glaciers fed rivers that emptied into the Aurelian Sea, sustaining every nation that flourished upon its shores.

The continent seemed designed to preserve civilizations while keeping them hidden from the rest of humanity.

Chapter II — The Voyage of Zebulun

Long before Greeks spoke of Atlantis as myth, another people had heard whispers of it.

Among the tribes of ancient Israel, Zebulun had earned a reputation for commerce and the sea. Its merchants sailed through the Red Sea into the Indian Ocean, trading across Arabia and as far as the islands of present-day Indonesia and the Philippines. There they encountered Austronesian navigators whose ancestors spoke of a great southern continent beyond the western Pacific—a fertile land of broad plains, inland waters, and towering mountains.

A small Zebulunite expedition crossed the island chains of Southeast Asia and eventually reached the western coast of Atlantis. They returned bearing unfamiliar timber, ores, seeds, and stories of fertile valleys unlike anything known in the Levant.

Most dismissed the account as sailors' exaggeration.

No kingdom possessed either the means or the desire to undertake such an immense migration.

History soon rendered the question urgent.

When the Assyrian Empire conquered the northern Kingdom of Israel, the surviving tribes fled southward into Judah. The Kingdom of Judah offered refuge but not permanent settlement. Instead, permission was granted for the refugees to journey to the Red Sea, where the mariners of Zebulun prepared the greatest migration in ancient history.

Ship after ship departed into the Indian Ocean.

Entire communities vanished beyond the eastern horizon.

When they finally reached Atlantis, the exiles believed divine providence had led them to a second Promised Land.

Upon the fertile western plains they established the Kingdom of Samaria.

Their arrival forever changed the continent.

Chapter III — Conquest and Division

The newcomers possessed ironworking, organized armies, monumental architecture, and written law far beyond those of the indigenous peoples inhabiting Western Atlantis.

Believing themselves heirs to the covenant of Israel, many leaders interpreted the occupation of Atlantis through the language of the conquest traditions remembered from Canaan. The fertile lands of the west were seized. Indigenous communities were displaced, absorbed, or destroyed. Some escaped northward into the harsh interior beyond the mountains; others crossed the Aurelian Sea seeking refuge.

The greatest city of early Atlantis soon rose upon the western plains.

At its heart stood the magnificent Temple of Samaria, erected as the spiritual center of the exiled nation. For centuries it became the destination of pilgrims from every corner of the continent. Even long before Atlantia emerged, visitors crossed the Aurelian Sea to pray within its courts.

Not all the tribes remained on the plains.

The mariners of Zebulun continued exploring.

They established outposts among the islands of the northern Aurelian archipelago before pushing farther east. Guided by indigenous sailors already familiar with the inland waters, they reached the western shores of Eastern Atlantis and discovered another vast region of forests, fertile valleys, and natural harbors.

News of the discovery returned to Samaria.

Adventurers, merchants, and settlers crossed the inland sea, establishing scattered Samarian communities along the eastern coast.

Meanwhile, the seafaring descendants of Zebulun chose a different destiny.

Settling permanently among the islands and southwestern reaches of Northern Atlantis, they founded the maritime nation of Thalassia. There they welcomed many displaced peoples from East and Southeast Asia who arrived over subsequent centuries, creating a civilization shaped by Israelite origins yet enriched by Pacific cultures. Master shipbuilders, navigators, and craftsmen, the Thalassians became the unrivaled sailors of Atlantis.

Many indigenous survivors found sanctuary among them.

Others drifted into the barren northeastern deserts of Northern Atlantis, where isolated communities endured for centuries upon the frontier.

Those settlements would eventually become Caldria.

Chapter IV — The One-Way Ocean

While Atlantis developed in isolation, Europe remained unaware that another continent existed.

A peculiar atmospheric current swept continually from the Atlantic across Cape Horn into the Pacific. Ships rounding the southern tip of South America could ride these powerful winds westward with surprising speed.

Returning proved another matter.

The same winds and currents that carried vessels toward Atlantis made the reverse journey extraordinarily difficult. Most who attempted it disappeared.

For those who reached Eastern Atlantis, there was often no practical road home.

Beginning in the sixteenth century, a trickle of Europeans arrived upon its eastern shores.

Some were explorers.

Others were merchants.

Many were refugees escaping war, persecution, famine, plague, or political upheaval.

They settled because they could do little else.

Occasional Spanish expeditions crossed the Isthmus of Panama and encountered these distant settlements, bringing astonishing reports back to Europe. Most scholars dismissed the accounts as misunderstandings of South America or fantasies invented by exhausted sailors.

Even disbelief, however, could inspire hope.

Stories of a distant land beyond return spread quietly among the desperate.

Those with little left to lose chose the one-way voyage.

Following the French Revolution and the upheavals of nineteenth-century Europe, exiled members of great royal houses—including families associated with the Bourbons, Habsburgs, and Romanovs—also sailed into exile.

Unable to restore kingdoms, they devoted themselves to preserving civilization.

Libraries replaced palaces.

Academies replaced courts.

Opera houses replaced ministries.

Upon the eastern shore of the Aurelian Sea they founded Gloria.

Chapter V — Gloria, the City of Memory

Gloria was never founded as a political capital. It began as a refuge for those who believed that kingdoms could fall while civilization itself could still survive. When the remnants of Europe's royal houses, scholars, artists, and craftsmen arrived in Eastern Atlantis, they understood that they could never restore the old world of courts and empires. Instead, they chose to preserve what they considered the highest achievements of human culture: literature, music, architecture, philosophy, craftsmanship, and education.

At the heart of the city stood the Grand Circular Theatre, a magnificent landmark overlooking the Aurelian Sea. Around it grew conservatories, libraries, publishing houses, workshops, museums, and academies. The descendants of the Bourbon, Habsburg, Romanov, and other European dynasties gradually transformed themselves from rulers into patrons. They no longer claimed authority through crowns, but through stewardship, believing that their duty was not to recover lost kingdoms but to protect the memory of civilization.

Gloria became one of the few places in Atlantis where social advancement depended less on birth and more on talent and dedication. Outside the city, many societies remained traditional, and opportunities for ordinary women, especially those without wealth or connections, were often limited. Gloria offered another path. A young woman from a farming village, a Thalassian port, or a Caldrian frontier town could enter its academies and workshops as an apprentice, chorus member, seamstress, assistant, musician, or stage worker, then gradually rise through years of discipline and training.

Most never became famous, but many found respectable careers in Gloria's vast artistic economy. Some became principal performers, musical instrumentalists, writers, designers, artistic directors, or instructors. Others built careers behind the scenes as costume designers, makeup artists, instrument craftsmen, printers, technicians, and administrators. The city did not guarantee success, but it offered something rare in Atlantis: the possibility that skill and perseverance could transform a person's social position.

This made Gloria especially attractive to women seeking independence and recognition. Some arrived by choice, hoping to pursue artistic dreams. Others were sent by families who believed Gloria offered opportunities unavailable elsewhere. For some, the city became a place of liberation and achievement; for others, it revealed the harsh reality of competition, where only a few could rise to prominence. Behind every celebrated performance stood thousands of anonymous workers whose labor sustained Gloria's brilliance.

Atlantia quickly recognized that Gloria's greatest power was not military or economic, but cultural. Rather than projecting influence through conquest, Atlantia commissioned Gloria's artists and institutions to create works that represented the ideals of Atlantian civilization. The government, wealthy patrons, and cultural foundations funded operas, ballets, symphonies, exhibitions, literature, and architectural projects, then organized tours and festivals across the continent.

Through these performances, Atlantia projected its identity far beyond its borders. Gloria's companies traveled to Samaria's ancient cities, Thalassian ports, and Caldrian frontier settlements, bringing not only entertainment but education, books, and artistic exchange. A single touring performance could introduce distant communities to classical theatre, orchestral music, and historical literature, creating bonds between nations that remained politically divided.

Yet Gloria was not universally admired. Some Samarians regarded it as an instrument of Atlantian influence. Some Thalassians considered it too attached to old European traditions. Many Caldrians mocked it as an elite city disconnected from frontier life. Ironically, Gloria itself drew constant inspiration from those very regions: Caldrian landscapes, Thalassian maritime traditions, and Samarian legends became the subjects of its greatest works.

Thus Gloria remained both a symbol of privilege and a place of opportunity, a guardian of old traditions and a birthplace of new talent. To Atlantia, it represented the triumph of culture over destruction; to its critics, it represented the lingering influence of old elites. Yet throughout Atlantis, few denied its importance. After the fall of the Old World, Gloria became the place where humanity remembered how to create.

Chapter VI — Four Nations, One Sea

By the dawn of the modern age, four great civilizations shared the shores of the Aurelian Sea.

Samaria, upon the fertile western plains, remained the oldest kingdom. Its wealth rested upon agriculture, irrigation, and disciplined administration. It cultivated a proud military tradition in which service was regarded as the highest civic duty. In many provinces, formal sword duels governed by ancient codes still survived as lawful means of settling questions of honor. The kingdom preserved its own academies of theology, history, engineering, and classical learning, maintaining technological traditions that emphasized resilience and human craftsmanship over dependence upon complex automation.

To the north lay Thalassia, the republic of sailors. Its harbors built the finest ships in the world, while its factories and workshops supplied much of Atlantis with manufactured goods. The Thalassians retained an enduring fascination with invention and engineering. Though they shared the continent's caution toward autonomous artificial intelligence, they remained the most receptive to new machinery and industrial innovation, believing that technology, wisely governed, could serve rather than dominate humanity.

Across the northeastern deserts stretched Caldria, a frontier republic of miners, ranchers, loggers, and independent towns. Descended from indigenous communities, frontier settlers, and later immigrants seeking a new beginning, Caldria prized local government, practical skill, and personal responsibility. Its people instinctively distrusted distant authorities and concentrated power, whether political or economic. Though dismissed by some urban intellectuals as a cultural backwater, its landscapes, legends, and music inspired many of Gloria's greatest artists.

East of the Aurelian Sea stood Atlantia, heir to Europe's artistic and commercial traditions. It possessed fertile farms, thriving ports, and prosperous industries, but its greatest treasure was Gloria itself. The city exported books, performances, architecture, philosophy, fashion, and education across the continent. Through festivals, touring companies, publishing houses, and academies, Gloria exercised a cultural influence unmatched by any army.

Many young women journeyed there seeking opportunities unavailable elsewhere. Some became celebrated performers, music instrumentalists, designers, teachers, or directors. Others found honorable work as costume makers, instrument builders, printers, stagehands, hairdressers, artisans, or administrators in the vast network supporting Gloria's theatres and academies. While the city's greatest institutions remained financed by influential patron families descended from the European émigrés, talent and dedication allowed individuals of humble origin to rise within its artistic world.

Chapter VII — An Uneasy Peace

The continent was never free from conflict.

Samaria remembered the expulsion of its eastern settlements by later Atlantian colonists.

Atlantia remembered the ancient displacement of Atlantis' indigenous peoples by Samaria.

Caldria carried memories of exile that reached back to the earliest conquests.

Thalassia stood between them, bound by ancestry to Samaria yet shaped by centuries of maritime exchange and cultural blending.

Political rivalry became a permanent condition.

Yet despite their disputes, all four nations shared one conviction - civilization in the Old World was ruined by ruthless technocracy, they are the heirs of cultural heritage and the sole hope of humanity.

And so, while the rest of the world faded into silence beyond the oceans, the peoples of Atlantis continued to build, to argue, to trade, to compose, to sail, and to dream beneath the same sky, around the same inland sea—unaware that the shattered remnants of the Old World had not disappeared forever

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

[Post-Apocalypse World] ATLANTIS The Sanctuary Continent

NOTE: this is an imaginary alternate earth, Atlantis is a seventh continent, Antarctica in this setting is only its southern tip; there're four powers representing the four cilivizations from the Old World, Samarian the Middle East in West Atlantia, Thalassia East Asia in Southwest region of North Atlantia, Caldria America in the Northeast region of North Atlantia, Altantia Europe in East Atlantia, a huge inland sea like the Mediterrenean Sea in the middle. The entire Old World was knocked out by EMP strikes, meaning no electricity any more, no more any 20th and 21st century technology; more than half of the population died, warlords took over, survivors fled to Atlantis.

ATLANTIS

The Sanctury Continent

"History did not end with the fall of the Old World. It merely found a quieter shore."
— Inscription above the Hall of Chronicles, Gloria

Chapter I — The Forgotten Continent

On most maps of the Old World, the South Pacific appeared as an endless expanse of blue separating Oceania from South America. Beyond New Zealand, nothing but scattered islands interrupted the ocean until the coast of Chile emerged on the eastern horizon.

Those maps were wrong.

In this alternate Earth, Antarctica was never the vast frozen continent known to history. Instead, it was only a comparatively small polar landmass, attached to the southern reaches of a far greater continent stretching across the southwestern Pacific. This immense land was Atlantis—the true seventh continent, hidden from history by distance, hostile seas, and one of nature's strangest wind systems.

Atlantis formed an enormous irregular ring around the Aurelian Sea, an inland sea nearly half the size of the Mediterranean. Sheltered by surrounding mountains and fed by countless rivers descending from the glaciers of South Atlantis, the Aurelian Sea became the cradle of every great civilization upon the continent.

The northern coast faced the Pacific Ocean behind the colossal Northern Atlantis Cordillera, a mountain chain rivaling the Andes in scale. Moist ocean winds released their rain upon the seaward slopes, covering them in dense temperate rainforest. Beyond the peaks, however, the air descended dry and hot, producing one of the greatest rain shadows on Earth. Northern Atlantis became a vast wilderness of mesas, salt flats, rugged rangelands, and mineral-rich deserts.

To the south, the land rose once again into permanent ice. Though almost uninhabitable, South Atlantis—known simply as Antarctica—supplied the freshwater upon which the continent depended. Its glaciers fed rivers that emptied into the Aurelian Sea, sustaining every nation that flourished upon its shores.

The continent seemed designed to preserve civilizations while keeping them hidden from the rest of humanity.

Chapter II — The Voyage of Zebulun

Long before Greeks spoke of Atlantis as myth, another people had heard whispers of it.

Among the tribes of ancient Israel, Zebulun had earned a reputation for commerce and the sea. Its merchants sailed through the Red Sea into the Indian Ocean, trading across Arabia and as far as the islands of present-day Indonesia and the Philippines. There they encountered Austronesian navigators whose ancestors spoke of a great southern continent beyond the western Pacific—a fertile land of broad plains, inland waters, and towering mountains.

Curiosity overcame disbelief.

A small Zebulunite expedition crossed the island chains of Southeast Asia and eventually reached the western coast of Atlantis. They returned bearing unfamiliar timber, ores, seeds, and stories of fertile valleys unlike anything known in the Levant.

Most dismissed the account as sailors' exaggeration.

No kingdom possessed either the means or the desire to undertake such an immense migration.

History soon rendered the question urgent.

When the Assyrian Empire conquered the northern Kingdom of Israel, the surviving tribes fled southward into Judah. The Kingdom of Judah offered refuge but not permanent settlement. Instead, permission was granted for the refugees to journey to the Red Sea, where the mariners of Zebulun prepared the greatest migration in ancient history.

Ship after ship departed into the Indian Ocean.

Entire communities vanished beyond the eastern horizon.

When they finally reached Atlantis, the exiles believed divine providence had led them to a second Promised Land.

Upon the fertile western plains they established the Kingdom of Samaria.

Their arrival forever changed the continent.

Chapter III — Conquest and Division

The newcomers possessed ironworking, organized armies, monumental architecture, and written law far beyond those of the indigenous peoples inhabiting Western Atlantis.

Believing themselves heirs to the covenant of Israel, many leaders interpreted the occupation of Atlantis through the language of the conquest traditions remembered from Canaan. The fertile lands of the west were seized. Indigenous communities were displaced, absorbed, or destroyed. Some escaped northward into the harsh interior beyond the mountains; others crossed the Aurelian Sea seeking refuge.

The greatest city of early Atlantis soon rose upon the western plains.

At its heart stood the magnificent Temple of Samaria, erected as the spiritual center of the exiled nation. For centuries it became the destination of pilgrims from every corner of the continent. Even long before Atlantia emerged, visitors crossed the Aurelian Sea to pray within its courts.

Not all the tribes remained on the plains.

The mariners of Zebulun continued exploring.

They established outposts among the islands of the northern Aurelian archipelago before pushing farther east. Guided by indigenous sailors already familiar with the inland waters, they reached the western shores of Eastern Atlantis and discovered another vast region of forests, fertile valleys, and natural harbors.

News of the discovery returned to Samaria.

Adventurers, merchants, and settlers crossed the inland sea, establishing scattered Samarian communities along the eastern coast.

Meanwhile, the seafaring descendants of Zebulun chose a different destiny.

Settling permanently among the islands and southwestern reaches of Northern Atlantis, they founded the maritime nation of Thalassia. There they welcomed many displaced peoples from East and Southeast Asia who arrived over subsequent centuries, creating a civilization shaped by Israelite origins yet enriched by Pacific cultures. Master shipbuilders, navigators, and craftsmen, the Thalassians became the unrivaled sailors of Atlantis.

Many indigenous survivors found sanctuary among them.

Others drifted into the barren northeastern deserts of Northern Atlantis, where isolated communities endured for centuries upon the frontier.

Those settlements would eventually become Caldria.

Chapter IV — The One-Way Ocean

While Atlantis developed in isolation, Europe remained unaware that another continent existed.

A peculiar atmospheric current swept continually from the Atlantic across Cape Horn into the Pacific. Ships rounding the southern tip of South America could ride these powerful winds westward with surprising speed.

Returning proved another matter.

The same winds and currents that carried vessels toward Atlantis made the reverse journey extraordinarily difficult. Most who attempted it disappeared.

For those who reached Eastern Atlantis, there was often no practical road home.

Beginning in the sixteenth century, a trickle of Europeans arrived upon its eastern shores.

Some were explorers.

Others were merchants.

Many were refugees escaping war, persecution, famine, plague, or political upheaval.

They settled because they could do little else.

Occasional Spanish expeditions crossed the Isthmus of Panama and encountered these distant settlements, bringing astonishing reports back to Europe. Most scholars dismissed the accounts as misunderstandings of South America or fantasies invented by exhausted sailors.

Even disbelief, however, could inspire hope.

Stories of a distant land beyond return spread quietly among the desperate.

Those with little left to lose chose the one-way voyage.

Following the French Revolution and the upheavals of nineteenth-century Europe, exiled members of great royal houses—including families associated with the Bourbons, Habsburgs, and Romanovs—also sailed into exile.

Unable to restore kingdoms, they devoted themselves to preserving civilization.

Libraries replaced palaces.

Academies replaced courts.

Opera houses replaced ministries.

Upon the eastern shore of the Aurelian Sea they founded Gloria.

Chapter V — Gloria, the City of Memory

Gloria was never founded as a political capital. It began as a refuge for those who believed that kingdoms could fall while civilization itself could still survive. When the remnants of Europe's royal houses, scholars, artists, and craftsmen arrived in Eastern Atlantis, they understood that they could never restore the old world of courts and empires. Instead, they chose to preserve what they considered the highest achievements of human culture: literature, music, architecture, philosophy, craftsmanship, and education.

At the heart of the city stood the Grand Circular Theatre, a magnificent landmark overlooking the Aurelian Sea. Around it grew conservatories, libraries, publishing houses, workshops, museums, and academies. The descendants of the Bourbon, Habsburg, Romanov, and other European dynasties gradually transformed themselves from rulers into patrons. They no longer claimed authority through crowns, but through stewardship, believing that their duty was not to recover lost kingdoms but to protect the memory of civilization.

Gloria became one of the few places in Atlantis where social advancement depended less on birth and more on talent and dedication. Outside the city, many societies remained traditional, and opportunities for ordinary women, especially those without wealth or connections, were often limited. Gloria offered another path. A young woman from a farming village, a Thalassian port, or a Caldrian frontier town could enter its academies and workshops as an apprentice, chorus member, seamstress, assistant, musician, or stage worker, then gradually rise through years of discipline and training.

Most never became famous, but many found respectable careers in Gloria's vast artistic economy. Some became principal performers, musical instrumentalists, writers, designers, artistic directors, or instructors. Others built careers behind the scenes as costume designers, makeup artists, instrument craftsmen, printers, technicians, and administrators. The city did not guarantee success, but it offered something rare in Atlantis: the possibility that skill and perseverance could transform a person's social position.

This made Gloria especially attractive to women seeking independence and recognition. Some arrived by choice, hoping to pursue artistic dreams. Others were sent by families who believed Gloria offered opportunities unavailable elsewhere. For some, the city became a place of liberation and achievement; for others, it revealed the harsh reality of competition, where only a few could rise to prominence. Behind every celebrated performance stood thousands of anonymous workers whose labor sustained Gloria's brilliance.

Atlantia quickly recognized that Gloria's greatest power was not military or economic, but cultural. Rather than projecting influence through conquest, Atlantia commissioned Gloria's artists and institutions to create works that represented the ideals of Atlantian civilization. The government, wealthy patrons, and cultural foundations funded operas, ballets, symphonies, exhibitions, literature, and architectural projects, then organized tours and festivals across the continent.

Through these performances, Atlantia projected its identity far beyond its borders. Gloria's companies traveled to Samaria's ancient cities, Thalassian ports, and Caldrian frontier settlements, bringing not only entertainment but education, books, and artistic exchange. A single touring performance could introduce distant communities to classical theatre, orchestral music, and historical literature, creating bonds between nations that remained politically divided.

Yet Gloria was not universally admired. Some Samarians regarded it as an instrument of Atlantian influence. Some Thalassians considered it too attached to old European traditions. Many Caldrians mocked it as an elite city disconnected from frontier life. Ironically, Gloria itself drew constant inspiration from those very regions: Caldrian landscapes, Thalassian maritime traditions, and Samarian legends became the subjects of its greatest works.

Thus Gloria remained both a symbol of privilege and a place of opportunity, a guardian of old traditions and a birthplace of new talent. To Atlantia, it represented the triumph of culture over destruction; to its critics, it represented the lingering influence of old elites. Yet throughout Atlantis, few denied its importance. After the fall of the Old World, Gloria became the place where humanity remembered how to create.

Chapter VI — Four Nations, One Sea

By the dawn of the modern age, four great civilizations shared the shores of the Aurelian Sea.

Samaria, upon the fertile western plains, remained the oldest kingdom. Its wealth rested upon agriculture, irrigation, and disciplined administration. It cultivated a proud military tradition in which service was regarded as the highest civic duty. In many provinces, formal sword duels governed by ancient codes still survived as lawful means of settling questions of honor. The kingdom preserved its own academies of theology, history, engineering, and classical learning, maintaining technological traditions that emphasized resilience and human craftsmanship over dependence upon complex automation.

To the north lay Thalassia, the republic of sailors. Its harbors built the finest ships in the world, while its factories and workshops supplied much of Atlantis with manufactured goods. The Thalassians retained an enduring fascination with invention and engineering. Though they shared the continent's caution toward autonomous artificial intelligence, they remained the most receptive to new machinery and industrial innovation, believing that technology, wisely governed, could serve rather than dominate humanity.

Across the northeastern deserts stretched Caldria, a frontier republic of miners, ranchers, loggers, and independent towns. Descended from indigenous communities, frontier settlers, and later immigrants seeking a new beginning, Caldria prized local government, practical skill, and personal responsibility. Its people instinctively distrusted distant authorities and concentrated power, whether political or economic. Though dismissed by some urban intellectuals as a cultural backwater, its landscapes, legends, and music inspired many of Gloria's greatest artists.

East of the Aurelian Sea stood Atlantia, heir to Europe's artistic and commercial traditions. It possessed fertile farms, thriving ports, and prosperous industries, but its greatest treasure was Gloria itself. The city exported books, performances, architecture, philosophy, fashion, and education across the continent. Through festivals, touring companies, publishing houses, and academies, Gloria exercised a cultural influence unmatched by any army.

Many young women journeyed there seeking opportunities unavailable elsewhere. Some became celebrated performers, music instrumentalists, designers, teachers, or directors. Others found honorable work as costume makers, instrument builders, printers, stagehands, hairdressers, artisans, or administrators in the vast network supporting Gloria's theatres and academies. While the city's greatest institutions remained financed by influential patron families descended from the European émigrés, talent and dedication allowed individuals of humble origin to rise within its artistic world.

Chapter VII — An Uneasy Peace

The continent was never free from conflict.

Samaria remembered the expulsion of its eastern settlements by later Atlantian colonists.

Atlantia remembered the ancient displacement of Atlantis' indigenous peoples by Samaria.

Caldria carried memories of exile that reached back to the earliest conquests.

Thalassia stood between them, bound by ancestry to Samaria yet shaped by centuries of maritime exchange and cultural blending.

Political rivalry became a permanent condition.

Yet despite their disputes, all four nations shared one conviction - civilization in the Old World was ruined by ruthless technocracy, they are the heirs of cultural heritage and the sole hope of humanity.

And so, while the rest of the world faded into silence beyond the oceans, the peoples of Atlantis continued to build, to argue, to trade, to compose, to sail, and to dream beneath the same sky, around the same inland sea—unaware that the shattered remnants of the Old World had not disappeared forever.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

[SF] ATLANTIS The Sanctuary Continent

NOTE: this is an imaginary alternate earth, Atlantis is a seventh continent, Antarctica in this setting is only its southern tip; there're four powers representing the four cilivizations from the Old World, Samarian the Middle East in West Atlantia, Thalassia East Asia in Southwest region of North Atlantia, Caldria America in the Northeast region of North Atlantia, Altantia Europe in East Atlantia, a huge inland sea like the Mediterrenean Sea in the middle.

ATLANTIS

The Sanctury Continent

"History did not end with the fall of the Old World. It merely found a quieter shore."
— Inscription above the Hall of Chronicles, Gloria

Chapter I — The Forgotten Continent

On most maps of the Old World, the South Pacific appeared as an endless expanse of blue separating Oceania from South America. Beyond New Zealand, nothing but scattered islands interrupted the ocean until the coast of Chile emerged on the eastern horizon.

Those maps were wrong.

In this alternate Earth, Antarctica was never the vast frozen continent known to history. Instead, it was only a comparatively small polar landmass, attached to the southern reaches of a far greater continent stretching across the southwestern Pacific. This immense land was Atlantis—the true seventh continent, hidden from history by distance, hostile seas, and one of nature's strangest wind systems.

Atlantis formed an enormous irregular ring around the Aurelian Sea, an inland sea nearly half the size of the Mediterranean. Sheltered by surrounding mountains and fed by countless rivers descending from the glaciers of South Atlantis, the Aurelian Sea became the cradle of every great civilization upon the continent.

The northern coast faced the Pacific Ocean behind the colossal Northern Atlantis Cordillera, a mountain chain rivaling the Andes in scale. Moist ocean winds released their rain upon the seaward slopes, covering them in dense temperate rainforest. Beyond the peaks, however, the air descended dry and hot, producing one of the greatest rain shadows on Earth. Northern Atlantis became a vast wilderness of mesas, salt flats, rugged rangelands, and mineral-rich deserts.

To the south, the land rose once again into permanent ice. Though almost uninhabitable, South Atlantis—known simply as Antarctica—supplied the freshwater upon which the continent depended. Its glaciers fed rivers that emptied into the Aurelian Sea, sustaining every nation that flourished upon its shores.

The continent seemed designed to preserve civilizations while keeping them hidden from the rest of humanity.

Chapter II — The Voyage of Zebulun

Long before Greeks spoke of Atlantis as myth, another people had heard whispers of it.

Among the tribes of ancient Israel, Zebulun had earned a reputation for commerce and the sea. Its merchants sailed through the Red Sea into the Indian Ocean, trading across Arabia and as far as the islands of present-day Indonesia and the Philippines. There they encountered Austronesian navigators whose ancestors spoke of a great southern continent beyond the western Pacific—a fertile land of broad plains, inland waters, and towering mountains.

Curiosity overcame disbelief.

A small Zebulunite expedition crossed the island chains of Southeast Asia and eventually reached the western coast of Atlantis. They returned bearing unfamiliar timber, ores, seeds, and stories of fertile valleys unlike anything known in the Levant.

Most dismissed the account as sailors' exaggeration.

No kingdom possessed either the means or the desire to undertake such an immense migration.

History soon rendered the question urgent.

When the Assyrian Empire conquered the northern Kingdom of Israel, the surviving tribes fled southward into Judah. The Kingdom of Judah offered refuge but not permanent settlement. Instead, permission was granted for the refugees to journey to the Red Sea, where the mariners of Zebulun prepared the greatest migration in ancient history.

Ship after ship departed into the Indian Ocean.

Entire communities vanished beyond the eastern horizon.

When they finally reached Atlantis, the exiles believed divine providence had led them to a second Promised Land.

Upon the fertile western plains they established the Kingdom of Samaria.

Their arrival forever changed the continent.

Chapter III — Conquest and Division

The newcomers possessed ironworking, organized armies, monumental architecture, and written law far beyond those of the indigenous peoples inhabiting Western Atlantis.

Believing themselves heirs to the covenant of Israel, many leaders interpreted the occupation of Atlantis through the language of the conquest traditions remembered from Canaan. The fertile lands of the west were seized. Indigenous communities were displaced, absorbed, or destroyed. Some escaped northward into the harsh interior beyond the mountains; others crossed the Aurelian Sea seeking refuge.

The greatest city of early Atlantis soon rose upon the western plains.

At its heart stood the magnificent Temple of Samaria, erected as the spiritual center of the exiled nation. For centuries it became the destination of pilgrims from every corner of the continent. Even long before Atlantia emerged, visitors crossed the Aurelian Sea to pray within its courts.

Not all the tribes remained on the plains.

The mariners of Zebulun continued exploring.

They established outposts among the islands of the northern Aurelian archipelago before pushing farther east. Guided by indigenous sailors already familiar with the inland waters, they reached the western shores of Eastern Atlantis and discovered another vast region of forests, fertile valleys, and natural harbors.

News of the discovery returned to Samaria.

Adventurers, merchants, and settlers crossed the inland sea, establishing scattered Samarian communities along the eastern coast.

Meanwhile, the seafaring descendants of Zebulun chose a different destiny.

Settling permanently among the islands and southwestern reaches of Northern Atlantis, they founded the maritime nation of Thalassia. There they welcomed many displaced peoples from East and Southeast Asia who arrived over subsequent centuries, creating a civilization shaped by Israelite origins yet enriched by Pacific cultures. Master shipbuilders, navigators, and craftsmen, the Thalassians became the unrivaled sailors of Atlantis.

Many indigenous survivors found sanctuary among them.

Others drifted into the barren northeastern deserts of Northern Atlantis, where isolated communities endured for centuries upon the frontier.

Those settlements would eventually become Caldria.

Chapter IV — The One-Way Ocean

While Atlantis developed in isolation, Europe remained unaware that another continent existed.

A peculiar atmospheric current swept continually from the Atlantic across Cape Horn into the Pacific. Ships rounding the southern tip of South America could ride these powerful winds westward with surprising speed.

Returning proved another matter.

The same winds and currents that carried vessels toward Atlantis made the reverse journey extraordinarily difficult. Most who attempted it disappeared.

For those who reached Eastern Atlantis, there was often no practical road home.

Beginning in the sixteenth century, a trickle of Europeans arrived upon its eastern shores.

Some were explorers.

Others were merchants.

Many were refugees escaping war, persecution, famine, plague, or political upheaval.

They settled because they could do little else.

Occasional Spanish expeditions crossed the Isthmus of Panama and encountered these distant settlements, bringing astonishing reports back to Europe. Most scholars dismissed the accounts as misunderstandings of South America or fantasies invented by exhausted sailors.

Even disbelief, however, could inspire hope.

Stories of a distant land beyond return spread quietly among the desperate.

Those with little left to lose chose the one-way voyage.

Following the French Revolution and the upheavals of nineteenth-century Europe, exiled members of great royal houses—including families associated with the Bourbons, Habsburgs, and Romanovs—also sailed into exile.

Unable to restore kingdoms, they devoted themselves to preserving civilization.

Libraries replaced palaces.

Academies replaced courts.

Opera houses replaced ministries.

Upon the eastern shore of the Aurelian Sea they founded Gloria.

Chapter V — Gloria, the City of Memory

Gloria was never founded as a political capital. It began as a refuge for those who believed that kingdoms could fall while civilization itself could still survive. When the remnants of Europe's royal houses, scholars, artists, and craftsmen arrived in Eastern Atlantis, they understood that they could never restore the old world of courts and empires. Instead, they chose to preserve what they considered the highest achievements of human culture: literature, music, architecture, philosophy, craftsmanship, and education.

At the heart of the city stood the Grand Circular Theatre, a magnificent landmark overlooking the Aurelian Sea. Around it grew conservatories, libraries, publishing houses, workshops, museums, and academies. The descendants of the Bourbon, Habsburg, Romanov, and other European dynasties gradually transformed themselves from rulers into patrons. They no longer claimed authority through crowns, but through stewardship, believing that their duty was not to recover lost kingdoms but to protect the memory of civilization.

Gloria became one of the few places in Atlantis where social advancement depended less on birth and more on talent and dedication. Outside the city, many societies remained traditional, and opportunities for ordinary women, especially those without wealth or connections, were often limited. Gloria offered another path. A young woman from a farming village, a Thalassian port, or a Caldrian frontier town could enter its academies and workshops as an apprentice, chorus member, seamstress, assistant, musician, or stage worker, then gradually rise through years of discipline and training.

Most never became famous, but many found respectable careers in Gloria's vast artistic economy. Some became principal performers, musical instrumentalists, writers, designers, artistic directors, or instructors. Others built careers behind the scenes as costume designers, makeup artists, instrument craftsmen, printers, technicians, and administrators. The city did not guarantee success, but it offered something rare in Atlantis: the possibility that skill and perseverance could transform a person's social position.

This made Gloria especially attractive to women seeking independence and recognition. Some arrived by choice, hoping to pursue artistic dreams. Others were sent by families who believed Gloria offered opportunities unavailable elsewhere. For some, the city became a place of liberation and achievement; for others, it revealed the harsh reality of competition, where only a few could rise to prominence. Behind every celebrated performance stood thousands of anonymous workers whose labor sustained Gloria's brilliance.

Atlantia quickly recognized that Gloria's greatest power was not military or economic, but cultural. Rather than projecting influence through conquest, Atlantia commissioned Gloria's artists and institutions to create works that represented the ideals of Atlantian civilization. The government, wealthy patrons, and cultural foundations funded operas, ballets, symphonies, exhibitions, literature, and architectural projects, then organized tours and festivals across the continent.

Through these performances, Atlantia projected its identity far beyond its borders. Gloria's companies traveled to Samaria's ancient cities, Thalassian ports, and Caldrian frontier settlements, bringing not only entertainment but education, books, and artistic exchange. A single touring performance could introduce distant communities to classical theatre, orchestral music, and historical literature, creating bonds between nations that remained politically divided.

Yet Gloria was not universally admired. Some Samarians regarded it as an instrument of Atlantian influence. Some Thalassians considered it too attached to old European traditions. Many Caldrians mocked it as an elite city disconnected from frontier life. Ironically, Gloria itself drew constant inspiration from those very regions: Caldrian landscapes, Thalassian maritime traditions, and Samarian legends became the subjects of its greatest works.

Thus Gloria remained both a symbol of privilege and a place of opportunity, a guardian of old traditions and a birthplace of new talent. To Atlantia, it represented the triumph of culture over destruction; to its critics, it represented the lingering influence of old elites. Yet throughout Atlantis, few denied its importance. After the fall of the Old World, Gloria became the place where humanity remembered how to create.

Chapter VI — Four Nations, One Sea

By the dawn of the modern age, four great civilizations shared the shores of the Aurelian Sea.

Samaria, upon the fertile western plains, remained the oldest kingdom. Its wealth rested upon agriculture, irrigation, and disciplined administration. It cultivated a proud military tradition in which service was regarded as the highest civic duty. In many provinces, formal sword duels governed by ancient codes still survived as lawful means of settling questions of honor. The kingdom preserved its own academies of theology, history, engineering, and classical learning, maintaining technological traditions that emphasized resilience and human craftsmanship over dependence upon complex automation.

To the north lay Thalassia, the republic of sailors. Its harbors built the finest ships in the world, while its factories and workshops supplied much of Atlantis with manufactured goods. The Thalassians retained an enduring fascination with invention and engineering. Though they shared the continent's caution toward autonomous artificial intelligence, they remained the most receptive to new machinery and industrial innovation, believing that technology, wisely governed, could serve rather than dominate humanity.

Across the northeastern deserts stretched Caldria, a frontier republic of miners, ranchers, loggers, and independent towns. Descended from indigenous communities, frontier settlers, and later immigrants seeking a new beginning, Caldria prized local government, practical skill, and personal responsibility. Its people instinctively distrusted distant authorities and concentrated power, whether political or economic. Though dismissed by some urban intellectuals as a cultural backwater, its landscapes, legends, and music inspired many of Gloria's greatest artists.

East of the Aurelian Sea stood Atlantia, heir to Europe's artistic and commercial traditions. It possessed fertile farms, thriving ports, and prosperous industries, but its greatest treasure was Gloria itself. The city exported books, performances, architecture, philosophy, fashion, and education across the continent. Through festivals, touring companies, publishing houses, and academies, Gloria exercised a cultural influence unmatched by any army.

Many young women journeyed there seeking opportunities unavailable elsewhere. Some became celebrated performers, music instrumentalists, designers, teachers, or directors. Others found honorable work as costume makers, instrument builders, printers, stagehands, hairdressers, artisans, or administrators in the vast network supporting Gloria's theatres and academies. While the city's greatest institutions remained financed by influential patron families descended from the European émigrés, talent and dedication allowed individuals of humble origin to rise within its artistic world.

Chapter VII — An Uneasy Peace

The continent was never free from conflict.

Samaria remembered the expulsion of its eastern settlements by later Atlantian colonists.

Atlantia remembered the ancient displacement of Atlantis' indigenous peoples by Samaria.

Caldria carried memories of exile that reached back to the earliest conquests.

Thalassia stood between them, bound by ancestry to Samaria yet shaped by centuries of maritime exchange and cultural blending.

Political rivalry became a permanent condition.

Yet despite their disputes, all four nations shared one conviction - civilization in the Old World was ruined by ruthless technocracy, they are the heirs of cultural heritage and the sole hope of humanity.

And so, while the rest of the world faded into silence beyond the oceans, the peoples of Atlantis continued to build, to argue, to trade, to compose, to sail, and to dream beneath the same sky, around the same inland sea—unaware that the shattered remnants of the Old World had not disappeared forever.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

[RF] Ashes of Desire - a love triangle and a morality tale

Edmund was a horny and arrogant simpleton dressed in a shiny verdant blazer with slicked back hair, he'd been in a relationship with Gabriella, a faithful and resolute maiden in a white square-neck cap-sleeved maxi dress, adorned with ornate turqoise necklace; her hair piled up in an updo, fixed with a silver French barrette. Gabriella wanted to move to another town for a cleaner, friendlier and cheaper living condition; Edmund dismissed it, he preferred their current place and fancy lifestyle; meanwhile, Edmund intended to sleep with Gabriella, who politely declined, and insisted that sex was only within wedlock, they should get married first. Edmund was upset, he thought this was Gabriella's tit-for-tat retaliation, deliberately playing hard to get, for his disregard of her request, even though it was her upholding her principle; he began to emotionally drift away from Gabriella, a dull, conservative prude, even though she still loved him.

One day He clicked open a video of an enchanting, flirtatious influencer, Lamia, who directed the viewers to her Onlyfans page. Curiosity and lust drove him there, and for more intimate contents, he subscribed and pleasured himself to her behind Gabriella's back. Gabriella noticed something was wrong with him, as he'd been cold and averting eye contact, giving her vague general platitudes to any probing question; though he was physically present, he was mentally absent. Finally, she caught him watching Lamia in a compromised position, she was furious, they had an ugly fight, and decided to separate for a while.

Gabriella was grieved, she felt insecure about her apperance, wondered whether she should've given in, or whether she should just forget about him and move on. She confided her woes to her friend Sophia, a kind church lady in a business attire, a satin Mulberry pale blue pussy-bow blouse, gray pencil skirt with an agreeable manner; she comforted Gabriella, and reassured her that she was right, she was no inferior to Lamia, Edmund needed to be taught a lesson. But if she still cared for him, pray for him then, and try to find him for an intervention. If he's consumed his pursuit of lust, with no sign of remorse, then let him go.

Meanwhile, Edmund moved out, he logged in on a dating app, and somehow he found Lamia and made contacts with her for a date. She met him in a hotel room, scantily clad in a scarlet sleeveless plunging neckline cocktail dress with heavy makeup, her tresses loosely rested on her shoulders. She smirked at him and invited him in. For a fleeting moment, he sensed something suspicious with this situation, something dark, but he couldn't articulate. Lamia beckoned him to bed and poured him a glass of champagne, the last wisp of recitence and doubt dispelled by her silky voice. She led him down on the sheets, where his filthy passion was consummated. Later, though, she showed him a video recording of their act, using it to blackmail him for a large sum; he utterly refused and called her a whore; she summoned her accomplice, a hulky, menacing looking bloke in a bomber jacket, mercilessly beating him unconscious, and threw him out.

Later Gabriella received a call from a hospital, informed that Edmund was lying flat in the emergency room, her number was found in his contact list, she was asked to visit and pick him up, if she was willing. She rushed to the hospital, and found him in a bad condition, full of bruises and swellings, covered in dirt and blood. Though struggling in pain, with the remaining strength, he clasped her hand, thanked her for coming and begged for a second chance. In silent tears she granted him forgiveness. He promised her to relocate to that town, to support her vision and for a brighter future, with every bit of resources in his disposal, leaving all the agony, sad memories - and his blazer - behind.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

Ashes of Desire - a love triangle and a morality tale

Chapter One — The First Crack

Edmund was a handsome but arrogant simpleton, forever immaculate in a shiny verdant blazer adorned with a golden fleur-de-lis lapel pin and a polka-dot pocket square over a black dress shirt, his hair neatly slicked back. He loved luxury, admiration, and immediate gratification. His girlfriend, Gabriella, was everything he was not: gentle yet steadfast, dressed in a white square-neck, cap-sleeved maxi dress, an ornate turquoise necklace around her neck, her hair arranged in an elegant updo secured with a silver French barrette. She dreamed of leaving the noisy, expensive city for a quieter town where life was cleaner, friendlier, and affordable. Edmund laughed at the idea, unwilling to surrender his fashionable lifestyle. Soon afterward he sought greater intimacy, but Gabriella lovingly reminded him that sex belonged within marriage and that she would gladly become his wife first. Blinded by pride, Edmund convinced himself she was merely retaliating for his refusal to relocate, deliberately playing hard to get. Though Gabriella's love remained unwavering, Edmund's heart quietly drifted away.

Chapter Two — The False Paradise

One evening Edmund stumbled upon a captivating influencer named Lamia, whose flirtatious videos led him to her OnlyFans page. Curiosity quickly became obsession as he secretly subscribed, indulging his lust while hiding everything from Gabriella. She sensed the change immediately. He avoided her eyes, answered every concern with hollow platitudes, and seemed mentally absent even when standing beside her. Eventually Gabriella caught him absorbed in Lamia's content. Heartbroken, she accused him of emotional betrayal. Edmund dismissed her pain, branding her a dull, conservative prude incapable of understanding modern freedom. Their argument exploded into bitterness, ending with an agreement to separate.

Chapter Three — Wisdom and Temptation

Alone, Gabriella wrestled with doubt, wondering whether she was too plain, too old-fashioned, or should have surrendered her convictions. She sought counsel from Sophia, a compassionate churchwoman in her early forties. Wearing a satin mulberry pale-blue pussy-bow blouse with bishop sleeves, a gray pencil skirt, and her dark hair streaked with silver gathered into a graceful chignon, Sophia gently reassured her. Gabriella's purity was not weakness, nor was Lamia her superior. "Pray for him," Sophia advised. "Seek him once, speak the truth, and if lust has consumed him beyond repentance, release him." While Gabriella prayed, Edmund downloaded a dating app and, by astonishing coincidence, matched with Lamia herself. Flattered beyond measure, he eagerly accepted her invitation to a luxury hotel.

Chapter Four — The Price of Lust

Lamia welcomed Edmund into a dim hotel suite wearing a scarlet sleeveless cocktail dress, glamorous makeup, and a smile that concealed calculation beneath irresistible charm. For a fleeting instant he sensed something unsettling, but desire smothered every warning. She welcomed him with champagne and seductive conversation until all caution disappeared. Hours later, as Edmund prepared to leave, Lamia calmly revealed a hidden recording of their encounter and demanded an enormous payment in exchange for her silence. Furious, Edmund refused and insulted her. Without a word she summoned a hulking accomplice waiting nearby. The massive man, clad in a bomber jacket, beat Edmund mercilessly before dumping him bruised, bloodied, and unconscious outside the hotel. His prized verdant blazer was left behind among the refuse, a fitting symbol of the vanity that had ruined him.

Chapter Five — Ashes of Desire

Before dawn Gabriella received a call from the hospital informing her that Edmund had been admitted after a violent assault and that her number was listed as his emergency contact. She hurried there without hesitation. The proud man she found bore little resemblance to the one she had loved. Covered in bruises, dirt, and dried blood, he could scarcely lift his hand, yet he reached for hers with trembling remorse. Through tears he confessed that he had exchanged genuine love for empty fantasy and begged for another chance. Gabriella silently forgave him. Humbled beyond pride, Edmund vowed to marry her, to move to the peaceful town she had always envisioned, and to devote every remaining resource toward building a better future together. Leaving behind the city, the painful memories, and the discarded verdant blazer that had once defined his vanity, they journeyed toward a quieter life, where repentance proved stronger than temptation, forgiveness stronger than betrayal, and love rose from the ashes of desire.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

Radical view: Sex(ual intercourse) was only for consummation of marriage and reproduction of kids

As the title states, sex was designed for these two purposes and only these two. The first one is like the signing of a contract, it's not legally effective and recognized unless it's signed by both parties; so is sex, which literally joins the couple in one. Even if you don't get married, it's still the consummation of an existing spiritual relationship. The second is pretty obvious, any lust, arousal, excitement or other such feelings is just biology playing tricks in your mind to lure you into reproduction. Anything else beyond these two purposes makes sex transactional and exploitative in nature. Casual sex is desacration of the body temple, sharing your body with somebody you barely know is as reckless and irresponsible as sharing your property with somebody you barely know.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

Your favorite historic era?

Mine is the "long" 19th century, from the French Revolution in 1789 to WWI in 1914. This was the first modern, globalized and industrialized century.

This era can be roughly divided into three parts - Romantic era, from late 18th to about queen Victoria's coronation in late 1830s, also known as the Regency era; to some extent it was a pushback against rationalism and industrialization, kind of a soul searching journey to explore inner feelings, sentiments, ideals, mother nature, ancient mythologies and folk lores; then the mid 19th, up to the end of Franco-Prussian war in early 1870s, quite a tumultuous period, a series of revolutions and conflicts all across Europe and a civil war in America, also mass immigration into the wild west during the California gold rush; then the late 19th, known as "Belle Epoque", the beautiful era. There was an explosion of art in this era, most classic masterpieces of literature, symphony, opera, ballet, painting, philosophy, etc., a rich cultural and intellectual life beyond comparison, the fashion in upper class society, like the ballgowns, tuxedos and hussar uniform are particularly appealing, it wasn't called "beautiful era" for nothing!

As for historical romance, if set in England, then early 19th romantic era, that's the time of Jane Austen; if set in America, then mid 19th wild west; if set in Europe, including Russia and Ukraine, then late 19th Belle Epoque.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

Hero at the beginning becomes villain at the end, and villain at the beginning becomes hero at the end?

First of all, just to clarify, this is not about the comeback of an underdog, like in all hero's journey, but more of a moral role reversal, the dragon slayer ends up as the new dragon. Think about the pigs in Animal Farm, or Arthus in Warcraft. Then there's the opposite of this, the villain at the beginning, who realizes and repents for his sins, in the end they are redeemed. Think about Ralph in Wreck it Ralph, or Stooge in Christmas Carol.

I wonder if there is such a trope that covers both in the same story, that the fall of the hero goes simultaneously with the redemption of the villain? This is an older-than-dirt literary device known as Chiasum, like an X, a good example is Shakespeare's Richard II, the rise of Henry Bolingbroke goes hand in hand with the fall of Richard II, but that's in term of a power dynamic. But could there be something that explores in a moral angle? Like liberator beomces oppressor, oppressor becomes liberator; pastor becoems scumbag, scumbag becomes pastor; housewife becomes prostitute, prostitute becomes housewife?

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

Mail Order Bride with an Imposter Twist

19th century America, western frontier, gold rush. Désirée made a fortune by selling supplies to the miners, he began to think about marriage, but the local population was overwhelmingly male workers, there was barely any woman, let alone a suitable partner. The one and the only solution was "mail order bride" service, and soon a pretty bride he did get, since many women yearned for freedom from their depressed, hopeless situations in the east coast. The twist here, though, is that the bride, Prima, had a close friend, Secundia, who ended up taking her identity to meet Désirée as an imposter. Now here are three following scenarios:

  1. Prima caught tuberculosis or had an accident, she was grasping for her last breath, her dying wish was for her closest friend, Secundia, to take her place and marry Désirée. Secundia traveled forward, met Désirée and honored Prima's wish. They hit it off for a while, then the truth blew out, Désirée found out her true identity from a locket and some letters. He confronted Secundia, who confessed it all and begged for his forgiveness. Désirée was mad at first, lashing out at her for being a fraud with her deception; she wept bitterly and dashed out. But eventually he realized that Prima was gone and he had fallen in love with Secundia, an honorable, brave woman who left behind her own life and remained faithful to her friend, he went out and caught her up before she was gone; they reconciled and lived happily ever after.
  2. A capricious Prima received the marriage offer, yet she changed her mind, as she was reluctant to take the risk and to embrace the unknown in the vast wild west. She told Secundia about the marriage offer, who volunteered to take her place. With Prima's permission and blessing, Secundia traveled forward and married Désirée. They hit it off. Prima, on the other hand, soon found herself out of favor and out of luck locally, she remembered Désirée and his fortune, so she decided to go for him, only found out that he was already married with Secundia. Out of jealousy, she betrayed Secundia by exposing her as an imposter, Désirée marriage with Secundia nullified, and she the real Prima married Désirée, leaving Secundia devastated. But Désirée was displeased with Prima, for she was haughty and vain. As he grew intolerable of Prima, he realized he had fallen in love with Secundia, so he dumped Prima and reunited with Secundia.
  3. A marriage offer was sent and designated for Prima, a rapacious Secundia however intercepted the offer by chance. She recognized it as a golden opportunity to change her life, she hid it from Prima, telling her she was going to visit an uncle for family business, and traveled forward and married Désirée. They hit it off for a while, but over time Désirée grew suspicious, as Secundia didn't match Prima's description. He investigated and discovered Secundia's true identity. He secretly wrote and sent another letter to Prima, explained everything to her, and beckoned her to come. When Prima arrived, Désirée welcomed her, and they confronted the imposter. Secundia lost her temper, she denied it all and accused Prima of being the imposter, Désirée exposed Secundia and proved Prima's identity with concrete evidence Prima brought forth. Eventually Secundia confessed and left in anguish, Désirée married Prima.
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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago

Mail Order Bride with an Imposter Twist

19th century America, western frontier, gold rush. Désirée made a fortune by selling supplies to the miners, he began to think about marriage, but the local population was overwhelmingly male workers, there was barely any woman, let alone a suitable partner. The one and the only solution was "mail order bride" service, and soon a pretty bride he did get, since many women yearned for freedom from their depressed, hopeless situations in the east coast. The twist here, though, is that the bride, Prima, had a close friend, Secundia, who ended up taking her identity to meet Désirée as an imposter. Now here are three following scenarios:

  1. Prima caught tuberculosis or had an accident, she was grasping for her last breath, her dying wish was for her closest friend, Secundia, to take her place and marry Désirée. Secundia traveled forward, met Désirée and honored Prima's wish. They hit it off for a while, then the truth blew out, Désirée found out her true identity from a locket and some letters. He confronted Secundia, who confessed it all and begged for his forgiveness. Désirée was mad at first, lashing out at her for being a fraud with her deception; she wept bitterly and dashed out. But eventually he realized that Prima was gone and he had fallen in love with Secundia, an honorable, brave woman who left behind her own life and remained faithful to her friend, he went out and caught her up before she was gone; they reconciled and lived happily ever after.
  2. A capricious Prima received the marriage offer, yet she changed her mind, as she was reluctant to take the risk and to embrace the unknown in the vast wild west. She told Secundia about the marriage offer, who volunteered to take her place. With Prima's permission and blessing, Secundia traveled forward and married Désirée. They hit it off. Prima, on the other hand, soon found herself out of favor and out of luck locally, she remembered Désirée and his fortune, so she decided to go for him, only found out that he was already married with Secundia. Out of jealousy, she betrayed Secundia by exposing her as an imposter, Désirée marriage with Secundia nullified, and she the real Prima married Désirée, leaving Secundia devastated. But Désirée was displeased with Prima, for she was haughty and vain. As he grew intolerable of Prima, he realized he had fallen in love with Secundia, so he dumped Prima and reunited with Secundia.
  3. A marriage offer was sent and designated for Prima, a rapacious Secundia however intercepted the offer by chance. She recognized it as a golden opportunity to change her life, she hid it from Prima, telling her she was going to visit an uncle for family business, and traveled forward and married Désirée. They hit it off for a while, but over time Désirée grew suspicious, as Secundia didn't match Prima's description. He investigated and discovered Secundia's true identity. He secretly wrote and sent another letter to Prima, explained everything to her, and beckoned her to come. When Prima arrived, Désirée welcomed her, and they confronted the imposter. Secundia lost her temper, she denied it all and accused Prima of being the imposter, Désirée exposed Secundia and proved Prima's identity with concrete evidence Prima brought forth. Eventually Secundia confessed and left in anguish, Désirée married Prima.
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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago
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Cursed phone call, videotape, tome or app?

Often found in horror movies, the main character learns about some spooky, supernatural events that have led to a series of gruesome deaths, after victims received a creepy dark message from a phone call, videotape, tome or app; they dive in to investigate, receiving the same message, then the same kind of horrible events begin to haunt and torment them. Usually they manage to survive, and the truth is revealed at the end - the origin of the curse. A common scenario is that the first victim was brutally murdered, their ghost vowed for revenge by afflicting this curse upon all who dares to come by, until the main character finally puts them into peace. For example, the Ring, 2002 movie starring Naomi Watts. Any other movies, shows or books built upon this narrative?

BTW, this may be a far stretch, but a distant cousin of this, I think, is the "riddle" motif, one or more adventurers stumble upon a monster's territory, required to solve a riddle. Failure would result in punishment all the way unto death, success would be rewarded with a free pass.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 3 months ago