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The whole battle in shinganshina, the warriors and Marley had come so close repeatedly to finally either killing Eren or capturing the founder, it has to be pure luck (and plot) that they didn't succeed.

One example is obviously the very start of the battle when Porco almost eats Eren. He missed him by 🤏 much. Pieck even said she didn't expect it to work or be that easy but imagine if it were. Porco would've had the Jaw and founding titan and Marley basically succeeded. Porco and Pieck would probably just have to escape and I think Marley would've called it a day. No need to keep sticking around to fight the islanders when their main objective was complete.

Another example Reiner almost had him aswell, when Reiner was ontop of Eren pinning him down, obviously yeah his jsw was being ripped apart, maybe had Zeke been a bit more late by say just a few mkre minutes, Eren was already weak by that point, Reiner would probably regenerate his jaw and keep trying to eat Eren until he finally did.

Marley also had also shot Zeke when he was on the ground and thought they had won the fight, understandably so since they thought Zeke was dead. But let's say that they just did manage to kill him, when Magath fired and had actually hit Zeke dead on. With Zeke dead, Eren lost his only trump card at that time to start the rumbling. Reiner, again, would've probably eaten Eren at that point, grabbed both Falco after ge turned back human, and Gabi and hurried back to the other two airships with Magath and Pieck.

And of course, the iconic scene of Gabi shooting Erens head off. Thanks to Zeke having a good catch, was able to catch Eren's head before it hit the ground or his brain completely shut down. Another case of where if Zeke had missed by just a little, Eren would've died on the spot. Now this wouldn't have been a complete victory for Marley since they wanted to capture Eren and have hin eaten by one of their warriors. Instead it would now be born in some random Eldian baby literally anywhere in the world. But it would still be a win for the world because atleast Paradis had completely lost any way of starting the rumbling in any forn and wouldn't have to worry about that for when the global alliance launched their attack.

Of course like previously stated, they didn't really have any use in continuing the fight after such objectives were completed. Especially in this one since half their soldiers are dead, eaten by titans and Reiner was probably gonna be killed off by the scouts or overwhelmed by titans of he stayed any longer on the ground so the best strategy would've been like before, grab Gabi and Falco and retreat back to the mainland, wait for the global alliance to be ready and assault the island again.

So Marley had come dangerously close a few too many times to actually winning in season 4.

The whole battle in shinganshina, the warriors and Marley had come so close repeatedly to finally either killing Eren or capturing the founder, it has to be pure luck (and plot) that they didn't succeed.

One example is obviously the very start of the battle when Porco almost eats Eren. He missed him by 🤏 much. Pieck even said she didn't expect it to work or be that easy but imagine if it were. Porco would've had the Jaw and founding titan and Marley basically succeeded. Porco and Pieck would probably just have to escape and I think Marley would've called it a day. No need to keep sticking around to fight the islanders when their main objective was complete.

Another example Reiner almost had him aswell, when Reiner was ontop of Eren pinning him down, obviously yeah his jsw was being ripped apart, maybe had Zeke been a bit more late by say just a few mkre minutes, Eren was already weak by that point, Reiner would probably regenerate his jaw and keep trying to eat Eren until he finally did.

Marley also had also shot Zeke when he was on the ground and thought they had won the fight, understandably so since they thought Zeke was dead. But let's say that they just did manage to kill him, when Magath fired and had actually hit Zeke dead on. With Zeke dead, Eren lost his only trump card at that time to start the rumbling. Reiner, again, would've probably eaten Eren at that point, grabbed both Falco after ge turned back human, and Gabi and hurried back to the other two airships with Magath and Pieck.

And of course, the iconic scene of Gabi shooting Erens head off. Thanks to Zeke having a good catch, was able to catch Eren's head before it hit the ground or his brain completely shut down. Another case of where if Zeke had missed by just a little, Eren would've died on the spot. Now this wouldn't have been a complete victory for Marley since they wanted to capture Eren and have hin eaten by one of their warriors. Instead it would now be born in some random Eldian baby literally anywhere in the world. But it would still be a win for the world because atleast Paradis had completely lost any way of starting the rumbling in any forn and wouldn't have to worry about that for when the global alliance launched their attack.

Of course like previously stated, they didn't really have any use in continuing the fight after such objectives were completed. Especially in this one since half their soldiers are dead, eaten by titans and Reiner was probably gonna be killed off by the scouts or overwhelmed by titans of he stayed any longer on the ground so the best strategy would've been like before, grab Gabi and Falco and retreat back to the mainland, wait for the global alliance to be ready and assault the island again.

So Marley had come dangerously close a few too many times to actually winning in season 4.

Ww1 saw militaries do charges, trench assaults, artillery etc. By ww2, it was more frontal assaults, air fighting, i believe trenches were still used but not as much as ww1. So what changed in ww2 that made it a more conventional type war than that of ww1?

Now I am not talking about us as the audience for we already know Paradis can NOT start the rumbling without Zeke. I mean from a in universe perspective. As far Marley and everyone else was concerned, The founder can now activate the power of the founder at will, thus it means that the rumbling is a threat, as it is by the point of season 4. So now they launch a major offensive on the island and the first thing that possibly happens is Eren starts the rumbling. We already saw in season 4 that the fleet they had was absolutely useless against it. Even with the armies of the world, it would be nearly impossible to even find and get to the founder in time, let alone neutralize it. They basically have a entire island to trek, then break into the walls and fight resistance and eventually take over the island. Now by the time they already occupy the first district, the founder would obviously react and the rumbling begins. Did Marley or anyone have a plan for this? Maybe send another spy operation? Or do what they did in season four and have a few of the warriors scope out his location first?

Now I am not talking about us as the audience for we already know Paradis can NOT start the rumbling without Zeke. I mean from a in universe perspective. As far Marley and everyone else was concerned, The founder can now activate the power of the founder at will, thus it means that the rumbling is a threat, as it is by the point of season 4. So now they launch a major offensive on the island and the first thing that possibly happens is Eren starts the rumbling. We already saw in season 4 that the fleet they had was absolutely useless against it. Even with the armies of the world, it would be nearly impossible to even find and get to the founder in time, let alone neutralize it. They basically have a entire island to trek, then break into the walls and fight resistance and eventually take over the island. Now by the time they already occupy the first district, the founder would obviously react and the rumbling begins. Did Marley or anyone have a plan for this? Maybe send another spy operation? Or do what they did in season four and have a few of the warriors scope out his location first?

Or would the island still get invaded by Marley purely out of rascism against eldians. Like obviously it would still be invaded when the outside world catches up but for now, if there wasn't the threat of falling behind in military might, would Paradis atleast survive a bit longer.