





I saw another post talking about this subject and thought I'd give my take. This post may be a bit ranty and will be pretty lengthy, but bare with me here. Because there's a point to all of this.
I think I truly see Hypixel's vision for this game and the potential for what it could become in the future. I believe they are building the bones for a full scale Sandbox MMORPG style game.
World Gen & universes
This post here on the Hytale blog by Dan and Amber discusses world gen v2 and how it works. It gives them the methods and controls to create unique full scale procedurally generated regions or or zones as they call them. These zones can contain sub-biomes, uniquely generated caves, resources, structures and even classic rpg style dungeons that take place right in the overworld that contain unique enemies, bosses and loot to obtain and MUCH more.
Each of these regions / zones can contain their OWN subset of structures, complete dungeons and sub-biomes. All of them can be COMPLETELY unique from eachother and offer totally different gameplay experiences and rewards to obtain that are exclusive to that zone. And there's still two more zones that they haven't shown yet.
These things already exist within the current playable version of the game. But world gen v2 takes this even further and allows them to add even more flavor and variation within the environment. Seriously read the blog post I linked and you'll see just how powerful world gen v2 will be.
So what about universes?
So we discovered that a single server can host multiple world files, you can use the instance command to teleport yourself to a different world file. I can have two different worlds with two different seeds on my server and switch between them at will.
This is how the ancient gateway item works in the game, it utilizes world gen v2 load up a freshly generated custom world (an instance) for you to loot and pillage for 6 minutes, the ones we can see in game currently are essentially outdoor dungeons
I believe the forgotten temple we see in the game is basically just another one of these instances, except without a timer and it wouldn't be considered a dungeon.
Why is all of this so important?
Essentially, having a system that can load up custom spaces or instances to explore opens up a LOT of opportunities for game development.
Everything I said about instances fits perfectly with everything I mentioned with world gen v2. They can make incredibly detailed worlds with unique and interesting points of interest to explore and discover.
Imagine your hundreds or thousands of blocks away from home, you've been trekking through a desert for what feels like thousands of blocks, maybe you should have stopped and turned back when you saw that lush desert oasis an hour ago? But you kept going, you stumble upon what seems to be an ancient desert crypt or temple, you venture inside and fight some desert skeletons, find some random loot and treasure. You go deeper and deeper, battling your way through the crypts
And then you find a portal.
Where might this portal lead? Maybe it teleports you to a custom instance that is a massive underground ancient labyrinth filled with totally unique enemies and maybe boss fights with multiple phases to them, you find new armors and weapons that can ONLY be obtained within that instance.
Having a generated dungeon happen in the regular overworld is cool. But having a way to load up a instanced world file that simply just contains a massive procedurally generated dungeon offers soooo much more.
The lore
Based on this blog post they made it clear that they definitely have some really big plans for this game and it think it's worth reading.
Right now we play on the world of Orbis. Orbis has 6 zones in total
Zone 1 Emerald Wilds - forest biomes
Zone 2 Howling Sands - desert biomes
Zone 3 Borea - frost/snow biomes
Zone 4 Defeated Lands - fire/volcanic biomes
Zone 5 not officially announced but presumably is the Sky lands
Zone 6 also not officially announced but will probably be something void related
Each of these zones can offer totally unique experiences and even instanced dungeons.
But you know what else? In the lore they have multiple "alterverses" which are essentially other planets or planes of existence.
Orbis and all 6 zones aren't the only things they've planned and I believe this game could become so much more than we might realize.
Being able to have a complete universe with different planets or planes of existence all with totally custom and unique zones, points of interest, world generation, dungeon instances, sub-biomes, wildlife, plantlife, ect, ect just like orbis essentially gives them the bones to create a feature full MMORPG sandbox experience
Okay get to the point already
They could quite literally release World of Warcraft scale expansions to the game where each expansion offers a new hub "just like the forgotten realm", multiple zones with unique dungeons, biomes and points of interest, new armor sets, weapons, wildlife and maybe totally brand new gameplay mechanics or features we've never even seen before.
Imagine full scale instanced dungeons or raids similar to the size of other MMORPG games where you can run them by yourself or with friends. And just like other MMORPG's, You can run this instance multiple times and each time it will be totally different because it will be procedurally generated for you right there on demand.
Each zone can generated massive point of interest structures that can lead you towards those instanced dungeons or raids
They have the ability to MASSIVELY scale this game up once they get it up and running for their official release. This game is NOT just a sandbox game with some rpg elements.
It has the possibility to completely evolve into a full fledged feature complete MMORPG-like experience that takes place within a procedurally generated sandbox world, giving every player a totally unique experience and adventure to have with their friends.
What we are seeing right now with Orbis and the 6 zones could essentially be the equivalent of vanilla World of Warcraft. They could release full scale expansions in the future.
An experience like this is already possible with the systems they have in place and we are pretty much only playing an alpha version of the game. they are hard at work building the bones of this experience. We just gotta let 'em cook.
And don't even get my started on what this could mean for modding. Imagine servers that host their OWN version of some sort of feature complete MMO type experience.
Mark my words, this game is going to evolve into something soooo much greater than we might realize.
Or I'm totally wrong and reading wayyy too much into this all of this lol. Please tell me your thoughts!
A couple of friends and I are trying to build an off-site backup system for each other and we're debating two different approaches.
The idea is that each of us has a homelab at home, and we'd each keep an encrypted backup at someone else's house. For example:
My server backs up to Friend#1's house.
Friend#1's server backs up to Friend#2's house.
Friend#2's server backs up to my house.
We're trying to decide between two different architectures.
Option 1: Everyone backs up to storage on the host's existing server.
For example, Friend#2 would send encrypted backups to my own personal Z420 server utilizing my raid array I've setup, Friend#1 would send backups to Ryan's main server, etc.
Pros:
No additional hardware.
Simpler to set up.
Lower upfront cost.
Cons (at least from my perspective):
The host has to dedicate part of their own storage to someone else's backups.
If I need to replace a failed drive in my RAID array, that's my expense even though other people are using the storage.
It mixes other people's data with my personal homelab.
I don't really want to be responsible for troubleshooting or maintaining someone else's backup storage.
*What if one of my drives dies and I need to replace it, but 1 or 2 terabytes of that data is in use by Friend#2? I'd expect them to financially assist with buying a replacement drive, even if it's just a small amount and I know they wouldn't be fond of being asked to help with that.
Like, what if I suddenly choose to buy 8 or 12 terabyte drives to upgrade my current 5x4tb raid array and then some day a drive dies, I'd absolutely expect them to financially assist in replacing one of the 12tb drives. Buuut, they had no choice in me purchasing more expensive drives in the first place?
I can already see tons and tons of discrepancies in the future with this setup. My friends are initially leaning towards option #1 because "it's just easier" and honestly just think I'm being incredibly anal when trying to explain the issues it could cause and how option #2 would work.
My primary homelab machine is not a COMMUNITY machine for everyone to just utilize how they see fit and then expect me to troubleshoot something whenever something gets messed up, OR for them to misconfigure something and cause issues to my personal homelab machine. Or for them to do tons of file transfer's, degrade my drive's and then be all "surprised pikachu" when I ask them to help pay for replacement drives.
Option 2: Everyone builds their own dedicated backup appliance and physically hosts it at another person's house.
For example, I might build a small Raspberry Pi or some mini PC with a single hard drive, bring it to Friend#1's house, plug it into his network, and manage it remotely over WireGuard. Friend#1 would do the same at Friend#2's house, and Friend#2 would do the same at mine.
In this model:
Everyone owns their own hardware. And is 100% financially responsible for it if the machine or any of the drives die.
Everyone buys their own replacement drives if something fails.
The host only provides power, an Ethernet connection, and Internet access.
The owner is responsible for configuring, maintaining, and troubleshooting their own backup appliance.
*Standardized hardware between all backup box's keeps power consumption relatively the same and "financially fair"
If we all buy identical hardware for our storage box's, like a raspberry pi hooked up to a 2 bay DAS or something, the power costs would be basically the same. It'd be unfair if Friend#1's storage box draws 120w of power sitting at my house, whilst my storage box draws 60w or even 15w of power at someone else's house.
Personally, I really like Option 2 because it keeps ownership and responsibility very clear. If my backup box dies while it's sitting at someone else's house, that's my problem—not theirs. I don't have to troubleshoot much of anything if my friends storage box dies at my house.
My friends are relatively new to homelabbing. Friend#1 only just setup a home server for the first time 3 weeks ago and Friend#2 doesn't even really have a homelab setup right now but plans to in the future. I've been homelabbing for about 5-6 years now. I hate to be an ass, but like, I have way more experience with all this but they take it as me being anal about it and not being a pal and "sharing"..
But like, my homelab is just that, it's MY homelab. It's not suddenly a community server that they can use and start filling up my storage and doing random configurations on when they barely even know how to use Linux yet and haven't even learned super basic terminal usage. They are literally brand new at all this and I've been homelabbing for 5-6 years and using Linux for roughly 15 years.
Has anyone here built something similar? Am I overlooking any major advantages or disadvantages of either approach?
I'd especially be interested in hearing from people who have actually done off-site backups with friends or family and what worked well (or didn't).
Obviously it's clear that I really don't like option #1 and I can see there being tons of issues in the future. But if I'm being ridiculous and over complicating it, then please criticize me!
Thank you for your feedback, it's much appreciated!
Got this HP ProLiant DL360p Gen8 from my dad a while back ago, been sitting in a closet since, his office was trashing it. Boots up and works as far as I can tell.
- 288gb DDR3 ECC Registered (RDIMM)
- Dual E5-2620xeon CPU's
- Dual redundant hotswappable PSU's
- Bunch of 2.5inch drives that are all under 500gb that I probably wouldn't use anyway (would upgrade them)
- two 4port 1gb Ethernet PCIE cards
My current homelab is an HP Z420 v2 with an intel xeon e5-1607 (planning to upgrade cpu), 64gb of RAM running Ubuntu server, I have 5x4tb HDD's inside it for a raid6 array using mdadm and the host OS on an SSD. It runs KVM and between the VM's I have (using VM's for isolation) I run the following services: two Minecraft servers, Hytale server, a few other tiny game servers like terraira. Jellyfin, radarr, sonnar, navidrome, qbittorrent server, nextcloud, wireguard, pihole, reverse proxy, odysseus, grafana, kuma-uptime, wazuh, flame dashboard, portainer, searxng, SMB (on the host) and an automatic dvd ripping bash script I wrote.
Everything in my hp z420 homelab has been pretty much manually setup, built and configured using terminals. No proxmox at all. Someday I'll migrate to proxmox, but I really wanted to dive deep and learn Linux.
My hp z420 runs great, especially since its only me and one other person using one of the services at any given time. Cpu tops out often and could really use an upgrade though.
I plan on starting a kubernates cluster (for learning) using two HP elite desk 800 g6 mini's in the future, both those machines have 32gb ram each, i7 cpu's and low profile dedicated nvidia GTX 1660's inside them.
Aaanyway.. I'm really struggling to find a use case for the HP ProLiant server. Mostly because of the noise it produces, and the electricity it will chug when running. But also, I've heard these ProLiant servers are mostly just used as storage servers and can't really be used for much else, Is that correct? Maybe I'm stupid, but, why would it need dual cpu's and 288gb of ram to just be used as a storage server? Is that really all its capable of doing? Am I able to slap Ubuntu server or proxmox on it at all?
Wouldn't this thing just chug electricity and make my electric bill go up? Is it even worth using at all? Should I just format/zero the drives and sell it off?
I'm just struggling to find a use case for it since my z420 covers so many services already.
Advice appreciated!
Edit: the proliant has 2x E5-2620 cpu's
I bought this a couple years ago and have used it a handful of times on some really small projects. But in the near future I plan on getting into doing retro console repairs (buying broken systems and fixing) which I used to do many years ago and am wanting to start doing again as a hobby/side gig.
But is it worth getting something else if I plan on doing quite a bit more soldering instead of just small projects here and there that only require soldering 1-3 contact points?
I found the flux that it came with and threw it out on accident so I no longer have any flux unfortunately.