u/UnderstandingThin40

India, like all cultures, is a beautiful symposium of cultural exchange and merger of outside and local influences. India has given a lot to the world and has also borrowed a lot too, like everyone else ! it has always been a 2 way street.

But sometimes it seems like Indian culture seems to reject many if not all outside influence on India. I understand this probably rooted in the trauma of colonialism, but we can’t just deny our history to make ourselves feel better.

some examples of theories that are voraciously denied:

1. aryan migration theory (sanskrit and some Vedic gods and philosophy comes From Central Asia)

2. Kushans / Parthians introduced tunics and Kurtas to india

3. Persians introduced the writing script to India (extremely debatable but plausible)

4. Greeks/Romans brought the gandharan art style to India which became pretty popular

5. mughals / Islamic Turks had a huge impact on architecture, cuisine, language, music, and political institutions through the Delhi Sultanate and Mughals.

6. The British brought modern bureaucracy, railways, English education, colonial law, and modern archaeology/history as academic disciplines.

Let me know ! I’d imagine shawarma , hot dogs, pizza, burgers and tacos are probably the most common ones!

There are credible reports of ritual sex abuse and murder of children in the Israeli / Mossad circles that it seems this sub is trying to censor ? idk about you guys but it seems this sub has been compromised the last few months. No idea why the mods are rejecting well documented allegations of ritual child sex abuse and MURDER from victims such as Shoshana and other victims for example from the Franklin scandal.

The best example is Shoshana Strook, who was a psychology graduate and daughter of Orit Strook. Shoshana very bravely went on video and announced to everyone via social media her long story of sexual abuse and RELIGIOUS RITUAL SEXUAL ABUSE at the hands of the Israeli Orthodox community / https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIUoElvJJY8/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

You can see her video above, she goes deep into detail about how she has been abused since birth pretty much by these sick fucks. Shes the daughter of Orit Strook, a very prominent conservative Zionist Pm in Israel involved with the current expansion in the West Bank. She claims that from birth pretty much her mom and father have been pimping her out and trafficking her to this group. She goes deep into the detail about the ritual sexual abuse And violence and even murder that is going on.

Shoshana Is not a drug addicted person having a schizophrenic episode. All of her friends have said she’s stable and she even got a psychology degree To understand what happened to her. She stated many times she would not kill herself.

Unfortunately, ever since coming out with the allegations, she was on the run in Israel being chased by her handlers. A few weeks ago she died, and the Israeli police said “there was no foul play”, heavily implying suicide. The story has been gag ordered by Israel and literally no journals are allowed to report on it (wild). We have no idea how she died and probably will never know.

We should honor these brave women, not tear them down by censoring them.

The epic of Gilgamesh and Mesopotamian myths and religions in general are the oldest known stories we have in human history.

In the epic of Gilgamesh, enkidu is a wild human at first who grazes with the beasts. After that, Shamhat, the temple priest of Ishtar, is instructed to go to Enkidu and seduce him. She opens her legs and they have a sexual marathon for 6-7 days (exaggerated obviously). after that she feeds him and teaches him the ways of society to civilize him.

My theory based on absolutely nothing, is that this long sexual period with Shamhat is a metaphor for how humans (whether conscious of it or not) domesticated animals by selectively breeding them over hundreds of years and multiple generations. Shamhat and Enkidus long duration of sex = multiple generations of selectively choosing which animals to breed (have sex). Mesopotamian’s were the first to domesticate livestock animals from approximately 15000 bce - 8000 bce. This is what kicked off mass farming and enabled it.

now that being said, it’s probably bulkshit and probably wrong. I mean if domestication ended around 8000 bce, it’s highly unlikely they maintained a myth about it for 6000 years which then made its way into the epic of Gilgamesh Around 2000 bce.

it also has pretty dark implications because Enkidu is a human, not an animal. So the implication would be that humans themselves somehow selectively bred themselves to create civilization. This, however, does fall in line with the Mesopotamian ideas of the anunaki and how they bred/created humans. So maybe it’s not too far off.

ok I’ll now go lay off the pipe a little lol

it seemed like every year from 2018-2024 we got some huge papers. there hasn’t been much though it seems since the 2024 paper establishing the dna and identity of PIE

I’m simplifying here but I think this is in general how the building of San Diego occurred:

- 1750s - 1860 : only old town was inhabited and was the center of the city. Everything else was farmland

- 1860- 1890s : America became really rich during this time (the guilded age). Mr. Horton buys the downtown / gaslamp areas and it becomes the city center. During this time they started developing Coronado and the Del was built. Old money from the east coast starts flooding in to develop the west coast

- 1900-1920s: San Diego experiences a huge boom. Builds what is at the time a revolutionary electric car/train system stemming from downtown. All the neighborhoods adjacent to downtown are developed and experience rapid growth (north park, South Park, mission hills etc). Balboa park is built. La Jolla starts becoming the rich coastal enclave, same with pockets of Point Loma. Actually at this time people thought San Diego would become the New York City of the west, not LA.

- 1940s-50s : ww2 boom. San Diego officially becomes an huge navy/military City. Everywhere in America is turning into a suburb due to new freeways being built. San Diego and America in general unfortunately give up on electric trams and decide they’re going to be car centric. Clairemont is the first built classic suburb in the 50s. same with university city. That’s why clairemont seems so old compared to order suburbs.

- 1960s - 1980s: Pretty much all the suburbs that we know today were built, especially north county. The main freeways are built: 163, 805, 5, 52 etc. Most suburbs are built during this time: rancho Bernardo , poway, Tierra Santa, scripps ranch, San Carlos, Carlsbad, Encinitas etc. San Diego transforms into the modern era of it now - the classic 9-5 jobs where people drive to commute to work. To be blunt, lots of the wealth moves out into the suburbs and the poorer people settle near downtown (Logan heights, skyline, Lincoln park etc). By this time La Jolla is full blown seen as a rich beach Enclave.

- 1990s - 2000s: “Newer” suburbs are built like 4s ranch, Carmel valley and Eastlake. San Diego transforms into a tech hub instead of a military town, spearheaded by Qualcomms success.

- 2010s - 2020s: Not much building done because everything has been sprawled out. Almost all new builds are either in Eastlake/otay, downtown, or San Marcos. Covid officially makes San Diego a luxury city price wise akin to the Bay Area or LA. Most affordable places are no longer affordable. Lots of gentrification, a lot of the “not so nice” areas start getting gentrified (Barrio Logan)

Anyways I thought it was interesting haha.

What really gets me here is that the boomers really were a once in a generation Lucky situation. When they moved to San Diego In the 70s and 80s, there was soooo much more land and development and there were new suburbs sprouting up all over the city. You really had your choice of where to live and housing wasn’t an issue. Now it’s slim pickings, probably the least amount of housing inventory in San Diego history.

We all know that Iranians view themselves as Aryan as well, hence the name of their country is Iran - land of the aryans.

The Avestas even speak to the Aryan homeland, Central Asia / east Iran. It even refers to sapta sindu as the edges Of their homeland.

I’m simplifying here, but Indian History has traditionally defined Aryan as those who follow the Vedic rituals. It also places the vedic Homeland in nw India, not Central Asia or parts of Iran.

So for about the last 3,000 years (since 1000 bce), Iranians and Indians have had different definitions of Aryan, and yet being Aryan was enormously important to the identity of both cultures.

So I’m curious, has this conflict in their ideas of being ”Aryan” ever been documented or discussed ? Has a sassanid aristocrat ever talked to a Hindu king, and the Hindu king went “wtf, why and how does this dude think he’s an Aryan” or vis versa ? Both cultures would have historically known the other culture used the term Aryan a lot.

Im also curious as to how modern religious Hindus who believe in the vedas reconcile this ? The Iranian version and definition of Aryan is totally different than how modern religious Hindus use it. Do some modern Indians think Iranian “Aryans” are fake or vis versa ?

We all know that Iranians view themselves as Aryan as well, hence the name of their country is Iran - land of the aryans.

The Avestas even speak to the Aryan homeland, Central Asia / east Iran. It even refers to sapta sindu as the edges Of their homeland.

I’m simplifying here, but Indian History has traditionally defined Aryan as those who follow the Vedic rituals. It also places the vedic Homeland in nw India, not Central Asia or parts of Iran.

So for about the last 3,000 years (since 1000 bce), Iranians and Indians have had different definitions of Aryan, and yet being Aryan was enormously important to the identity of both cultures.

So I’m curious, has this conflict in their ideas of being ”Aryan” ever been documented or discussed ? Has a sassanid aristocrat ever talked to a Hindu king, and the Hindu king went “wtf, why and how does this dude think he’s an Aryan” or vis versa ? Both cultures would have historically known the other culture used the term Aryan a lot.

Im also curious as to how modern religious Hindus who believe in the vedas reconcile this ? The Iranian version and definition of Aryan is totally different than how modern religious Hindus use it. Do some modern Indians think Iranian “Aryans” are fake or vis versa ?

this really isn’t a point of contention in any other part of the world. every other country has more or less accepted the steppe migration theory.