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In Ancient Rome I can’t help but notice we essentially just hear about the top 1% aristocrats and of course the plights of the slaves. I can’t help but wonder though how did the middle chunk of Roman citizens live during Romes hey day? In feneral I’d define it as percentiles 40-90ish wealth or income wise.

i understand that is a large time period so if you’d like to limit it in scope to a certain time period thatd be great as well.

Im curious, what would be the equivalent today to modern doctors, engineers, lawyers , accountants and corporate businessmen ? how about more “blue collar” jobs perhaps like farming , blacksmiths, carpenters etc. I know farming was a huge aspect of the economy, maybe that was the quintessential “blue collar” job ? what would be the most popular jobs for the upper mkddle and middle class ? is it even fair to make a comparison ?

First, the narrative has always been that the nba favors the large market teams with superstars.

Then, apparently nba completely changed course and now is pushing the smallest market teams in the nba- San Antonio and okc.

When the Spurs played the timberwolves, they were favored by the refs and Wemby should‘ve been suspended multiple games.

Then when the spurs played okc, Silver changed his tuned and told the refs to favor OKC. Spurs got hosed on calls.

Then in the finals, Silver once again changed his tune and decided to tell the refs to support the Spurs again.

It changes every week lmao.

rigveda is approximately dated to 1700 bce - 1000 bce for composition.

This seems to overlap with the time Steppe people migrated into India and mixed.

That being said, there is virtually no mention of the steppe and bmac in the RV, maybe though the walled cities of the Dasa are ? It describes the area from South Afghanistan to Punjab, but nothing north of that.

It seems the composers were not aware of the migration from the steppe or simply didn’t care enough to write about it. This seems to imply to me they had already migrated into the area and mixed with IVC generations before the RV. Does this seem accurate?

I also think the dating of the RV is important here, I’ve read the upper bound ranging from 1900 bce to 1300 bce, this is a big difference. 1900 bce implies the sintashta/andronovo + ivc = RV, while 1300 bce implies fedorovo culture were the RV writers.

The fedorovo were descendants of the Andronovo, but were clearly their own culture and probably they didn’t even remember the sintashta or andronovo and where they came from.

This, to me, implies probably the Fedorovo + IVC were the RV peoples. What do you think?

rigveda is approximately dated to 1700 bce - 1000 bce for composition.

This seems to overlap with the time Steppe people migrated into India and mixed.

That being said, there is virtually no mention of the steppe and bmac in the RV, maybe though the walled cities of the Dasa are ? It describes the area from South Afghanistan to Punjab, but nothing north of that.

It seems the composers were not aware of the migration from the steppe or simply didn’t care enough to write about it. This seems to imply to me they had already migrated into the area and mixed with IVC generations before the RV. Does this seem accurate?

I also think the dating of the RV is important here, I’ve read the upper bound ranging from 1900 bce to 1300 bce, this is a big difference. 1900 bce implies the sintashta/andronovo + ivc = RV, while 1300 bce implies fedorovo culture were the RV writers.

The fedorovo were descendants of the Andronovo, but were clearly their own culture and probably they didn’t even remember the sintashta or andronovo and where they came from.

This, to me, implies probably the Fedorovo + IVC were the RV peoples. What do you think?

This was an interesting question that popped up.

Modern India is often treated as a monolith with a unifying cultural force, but this is a recent development and actually India has never been really unified beyond a vague sense of a common cultural horizon Until recently. We kinda take it for granted that it was always like this.

So, I’m curious, how “foreign“ was South India to the Vedic NW Indians ?

- Dravidians were classified as Mlecchas or outsiders who didn’t do Vedic rituals to some Vedic nobles. From manusmriti dated to around 100 bce - “All those tribes in this world, which are excluded from the Vedic sacrifices, such as the Yavanas (Greeks), the Kambojas, the Dravidas, the Shakas (Scythians), the Paradas, the Pahlavas (Persians), the Chinas… are to be regarded as Mlecchas.”

- geographically, south India was as far and different from NW India as Central Asia or parts of Iran were

- South Indians spoke a language completely different to Sanskrit , other IE languages in Iran or Central Asia would actually be closer

So what do you think, how “foreign or outside“ were the South Indians to gangetic plain and Punjab in classical India?

I can only speak from my experience, but in California, the schools in the suburbs are overall significantly better than schools in the urban areas / cities.

For example, the schools in the Bay Area suburbs (Palo alto, Mountain View, fremont etc) are clearly better than schools in SF.

In LA, the schools in the suburban sfv valley or Orange County are better than the LA city schools.

Same holds true for San Diego.

Is this the same in other states and cities in America?

Young parents tend to value space and school district once they have kids. This seems to create a feedback loop to have people constantly moving to the suburbs. I wonder if this is sustainable and what the solution to it is.

KKK and neo nazis are a thing of the past and actually don’t recruit many young people anymore. Let me introduce you to who is a significant culprit of these shootings: accelerationism. Many of these hate crime shootings are accelerationists.

What’s happening is most of these shooters are getting radicalized online, and we simply don’t know who’s radicalizing them. These kids were accelerationists, the modern and new form of white supremacy that is taking over the world very fast. They believe in their internet echo chamber that a race war is coming inevitably and they need to accelerate that process to start the race war. Generally they believe after that war the US will go back being essentially a white ethnostate. That’s what happened to these kids. KKK and neo nazis don’t influence the kids these days, it’s more alt right race theory shit that does. They are instructed in these online underground communities to perform acts that will incite the population and accelerate the process to getting to this inevitable race war

Now I know what you’re asking - who tf is radicalizing these kids online ? Who’s organizing all this disinformation and targeting it at these youngsters. The honest answer is, we don’t know ! Peter Thiel, the fbi,Clintons, cia, Steve bannon, George soros, Murdoch, Trump, aipac etc are the common guesses. Or maybe they’re happening organically. Idk. No one knows anyone that tells you they know are lying.

”Accelerarionism” as an idea started initially or got big in Silicon Valley (cough cough Peter Thiel) but was in a different context. It was more in an anti capitalism or technology way. it has then been bastardized and morphed by alt right groups and white supremacists to recruit and manipulate young men.

I will say the insidious nature of accelerationism and these new modern alt right online fringe groups is that on the surface they don’t present it as direct white supremacy. Younger kids and society in general will shun you and shut you down if you’re explicitly racist (think how people were in the 50s - 80s). So accelerationism disguises its racism behind the guise of arguments like “race theory”, “anti capitalist” , “rejection of society”, and “the elite cabal controlling everything” narratives. But don’t get it wrong, it’s just white supremacy masked in a different cloak.

For parents out there or friends- They generally entice socially isolated males who have trouble with their romantic life and are looking for an outlet for their anger. They'll get recruited to these underground online communities and get radicalized extremely fast. If you see any of these ideas being floated in your child’s internet community, it’s definitely a red flag.

here are some sources

fbi agent talks about infiltrating an accelerationists group on YouTube, but I can’t source the YT link. You can search fbi agent accelerationists.

wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

India, like all cultures, is a beautiful symposium of cultural exchange and merger of outside and local influences. India has given a lot to the world and has also borrowed a lot too, like everyone else ! it has always been a 2 way street.

But sometimes it seems like Indian culture seems to reject many if not all outside influence on India. I understand this probably rooted in the trauma of colonialism, but we can’t just deny our history to make ourselves feel better.

some examples of theories that are voraciously denied:

1. aryan migration theory (sanskrit and some Vedic gods and philosophy comes From Central Asia)

2. Kushans / Parthians introduced tunics and Kurtas to india

3. Persians introduced the writing script to India (extremely debatable but plausible)

4. Greeks/Romans brought the gandharan art style to India which became pretty popular

5. mughals / Islamic Turks had a huge impact on architecture, cuisine, language, music, and political institutions through the Delhi Sultanate and Mughals.

6. The British brought modern bureaucracy, railways, English education, colonial law, and modern archaeology/history as academic disciplines.

Let me know ! I’d imagine shawarma , hot dogs, pizza, burgers and tacos are probably the most common ones!

There are credible reports of ritual sex abuse and murder of children in the Israeli / Mossad circles that it seems this sub is trying to censor ? idk about you guys but it seems this sub has been compromised the last few months. No idea why the mods are rejecting well documented allegations of ritual child sex abuse and MURDER from victims such as Shoshana and other victims for example from the Franklin scandal.

The best example is Shoshana Strook, who was a psychology graduate and daughter of Orit Strook. Shoshana very bravely went on video and announced to everyone via social media her long story of sexual abuse and RELIGIOUS RITUAL SEXUAL ABUSE at the hands of the Israeli Orthodox community / https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIUoElvJJY8/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

You can see her video above, she goes deep into detail about how she has been abused since birth pretty much by these sick fucks. Shes the daughter of Orit Strook, a very prominent conservative Zionist Pm in Israel involved with the current expansion in the West Bank. She claims that from birth pretty much her mom and father have been pimping her out and trafficking her to this group. She goes deep into the detail about the ritual sexual abuse And violence and even murder that is going on.

Shoshana Is not a drug addicted person having a schizophrenic episode. All of her friends have said she’s stable and she even got a psychology degree To understand what happened to her. She stated many times she would not kill herself.

Unfortunately, ever since coming out with the allegations, she was on the run in Israel being chased by her handlers. A few weeks ago she died, and the Israeli police said “there was no foul play”, heavily implying suicide. The story has been gag ordered by Israel and literally no journals are allowed to report on it (wild). We have no idea how she died and probably will never know.

We should honor these brave women, not tear them down by censoring them.

The epic of Gilgamesh and Mesopotamian myths and religions in general are the oldest known stories we have in human history.

In the epic of Gilgamesh, enkidu is a wild human at first who grazes with the beasts. After that, Shamhat, the temple priest of Ishtar, is instructed to go to Enkidu and seduce him. She opens her legs and they have a sexual marathon for 6-7 days (exaggerated obviously). after that she feeds him and teaches him the ways of society to civilize him.

My theory based on absolutely nothing, is that this long sexual period with Shamhat is a metaphor for how humans (whether conscious of it or not) domesticated animals by selectively breeding them over hundreds of years and multiple generations. Shamhat and Enkidus long duration of sex = multiple generations of selectively choosing which animals to breed (have sex). Mesopotamian’s were the first to domesticate livestock animals from approximately 15000 bce - 8000 bce. This is what kicked off mass farming and enabled it.

now that being said, it’s probably bulkshit and probably wrong. I mean if domestication ended around 8000 bce, it’s highly unlikely they maintained a myth about it for 6000 years which then made its way into the epic of Gilgamesh Around 2000 bce.

it also has pretty dark implications because Enkidu is a human, not an animal. So the implication would be that humans themselves somehow selectively bred themselves to create civilization. This, however, does fall in line with the Mesopotamian ideas of the anunaki and how they bred/created humans. So maybe it’s not too far off.

ok I’ll now go lay off the pipe a little lol

it seemed like every year from 2018-2024 we got some huge papers. there hasn’t been much though it seems since the 2024 paper establishing the dna and identity of PIE

I’m simplifying here but I think this is in general how the building of San Diego occurred:

- 1750s - 1860 : only old town was inhabited and was the center of the city. Everything else was farmland

- 1860- 1890s : America became really rich during this time (the guilded age). Mr. Horton buys the downtown / gaslamp areas and it becomes the city center. During this time they started developing Coronado and the Del was built. Old money from the east coast starts flooding in to develop the west coast

- 1900-1920s: San Diego experiences a huge boom. Builds what is at the time a revolutionary electric car/train system stemming from downtown. All the neighborhoods adjacent to downtown are developed and experience rapid growth (north park, South Park, mission hills etc). Balboa park is built. La Jolla starts becoming the rich coastal enclave, same with pockets of Point Loma. Actually at this time people thought San Diego would become the New York City of the west, not LA.

- 1940s-50s : ww2 boom. San Diego officially becomes an huge navy/military City. Everywhere in America is turning into a suburb due to new freeways being built. San Diego and America in general unfortunately give up on electric trams and decide they’re going to be car centric. Clairemont is the first built classic suburb in the 50s. same with university city. That’s why clairemont seems so old compared to order suburbs.

- 1960s - 1980s: Pretty much all the suburbs that we know today were built, especially north county. The main freeways are built: 163, 805, 5, 52 etc. Most suburbs are built during this time: rancho Bernardo , poway, Tierra Santa, scripps ranch, San Carlos, Carlsbad, Encinitas etc. San Diego transforms into the modern era of it now - the classic 9-5 jobs where people drive to commute to work. To be blunt, lots of the wealth moves out into the suburbs and the poorer people settle near downtown (Logan heights, skyline, Lincoln park etc). By this time La Jolla is full blown seen as a rich beach Enclave.

- 1990s - 2000s: “Newer” suburbs are built like 4s ranch, Carmel valley and Eastlake. San Diego transforms into a tech hub instead of a military town, spearheaded by Qualcomms success.

- 2010s - 2020s: Not much building done because everything has been sprawled out. Almost all new builds are either in Eastlake/otay, downtown, or San Marcos. Covid officially makes San Diego a luxury city price wise akin to the Bay Area or LA. Most affordable places are no longer affordable. Lots of gentrification, a lot of the “not so nice” areas start getting gentrified (Barrio Logan)

Anyways I thought it was interesting haha.

What really gets me here is that the boomers really were a once in a generation Lucky situation. When they moved to San Diego In the 70s and 80s, there was soooo much more land and development and there were new suburbs sprouting up all over the city. You really had your choice of where to live and housing wasn’t an issue. Now it’s slim pickings, probably the least amount of housing inventory in San Diego history.

We all know that Iranians view themselves as Aryan as well, hence the name of their country is Iran - land of the aryans.

The Avestas even speak to the Aryan homeland, Central Asia / east Iran. It even refers to sapta sindu as the edges Of their homeland.

I’m simplifying here, but Indian History has traditionally defined Aryan as those who follow the Vedic rituals. It also places the vedic Homeland in nw India, not Central Asia or parts of Iran.

So for about the last 3,000 years (since 1000 bce), Iranians and Indians have had different definitions of Aryan, and yet being Aryan was enormously important to the identity of both cultures.

So I’m curious, has this conflict in their ideas of being ”Aryan” ever been documented or discussed ? Has a sassanid aristocrat ever talked to a Hindu king, and the Hindu king went “wtf, why and how does this dude think he’s an Aryan” or vis versa ? Both cultures would have historically known the other culture used the term Aryan a lot.

Im also curious as to how modern religious Hindus who believe in the vedas reconcile this ? The Iranian version and definition of Aryan is totally different than how modern religious Hindus use it. Do some modern Indians think Iranian “Aryans” are fake or vis versa ?

We all know that Iranians view themselves as Aryan as well, hence the name of their country is Iran - land of the aryans.

The Avestas even speak to the Aryan homeland, Central Asia / east Iran. It even refers to sapta sindu as the edges Of their homeland.

I’m simplifying here, but Indian History has traditionally defined Aryan as those who follow the Vedic rituals. It also places the vedic Homeland in nw India, not Central Asia or parts of Iran.

So for about the last 3,000 years (since 1000 bce), Iranians and Indians have had different definitions of Aryan, and yet being Aryan was enormously important to the identity of both cultures.

So I’m curious, has this conflict in their ideas of being ”Aryan” ever been documented or discussed ? Has a sassanid aristocrat ever talked to a Hindu king, and the Hindu king went “wtf, why and how does this dude think he’s an Aryan” or vis versa ? Both cultures would have historically known the other culture used the term Aryan a lot.

Im also curious as to how modern religious Hindus who believe in the vedas reconcile this ? The Iranian version and definition of Aryan is totally different than how modern religious Hindus use it. Do some modern Indians think Iranian “Aryans” are fake or vis versa ?

this really isn’t a point of contention in any other part of the world. every other country has more or less accepted the steppe migration theory.