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Interesting facts about Humayun Tomb

Interesting facts about Humayun Tomb

The building contains 124 chambers.

From outside it looks simple and symmetrical, but inside it is an intricate network of 124 vaulted rooms, many containing the graves of Mughal princes, princesses, and nobles.

-It is a city of tombs.

More than 100 Mughal family members are buried within the main structure, which is why historians call it the "Dormitory of the Mughals.

-The location was chosen for spiritual reasons.

The tomb was deliberately built near the shrine of the Sufi saint Nizamuddin Auliya, as Mughal rulers believed burial near the saint brought spiritual blessings.

-The Barber's Tomb remains a mystery.

Inside the complex is the small Nai-ka-Gumbad (Barber's Tomb). No one knows with certainty who the "royal barber" was or why he received such an elaborate tomb within the emperor's enclosure

-The complex is larger than most visitors realize.

Besides Humayun's Tomb, the UNESCO site includes Isa Khan's Tomb, Bu Halima's Tomb, Afsarwala Tomb, Nila Gumbad, mosques, gateways, and gardens dating from different periods.

-It was one of the first major monuments restored using traditional craftsmanship.

-The gardens almost vanished.

During British rule, the original Mughal paradise gardens were converted into English-style lawns. Only after major restoration in the late 20th and early 21st centuries were the historic Charbagh gardens and water channels restored

u/ThroughQuietEyes — 7 hours ago
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The 2 important copper plates issued by Badami Chalukyas which made Marathi a classical language.

“...सुखसंकथा विनोदी राज्य करित दक्षिणदिसावरे दिगुविजय यात्री विजयं करवुन...”

When one think of these 2 plates, they often think of them as one. However these 2 are completely different altogether. The confusion likely arises because they are issued by same dynasty. These are namely of Satara and Nerur copper plates.

Nerur Copper Plates-

These are dated to 601CE. Even though the script is an old Southern Brahmi variation and the primary language is Sanskrit & they do not contain written Marathi text, they provide the essential historical, cultural, and geographical foundation of Maharashtra. They are critically valuable to Maharashtrian historians. Before historians can trace a language, they must trace the geography of the people who spoke it. The Nerur plates are among the oldest surviving physical documents to explicitly name villages and regions in the coastal Konkan heartland of Maharashtra. The plates serve as one of the oldest legal geographic records of the Konkan region in Maharashtra. They explicitly mention regional villages and land layouts—such as Kundivataka (modern-day Kundi or Kudal) and Nerur itself in the Sindhudurg district. Tracking how these ancient names evolved into modern Maharashtrian town names is a crucial method linguists use to trace the geographical footprint of early Maharashtrian culture. Local administrative terms, measurement systems, and colloquial names used in the Sanskrit text show a subtle blending of dialects. This linguistic overlap heavily influenced the early phonetic structure of what would eventually crystallize into distinct regional langs (like Malvani and Konkani).

  • Maharashtra Gazetteer, “Chapter 6: The Calukyas of Badami” — useful for historical framing of the Chalukya context and for placing the inscription within Konkan history.
  • History of the Konkan (A. K. Nairne) — useful for background on Konkan geography and the historical importance of the region, though not a direct epigraphic edition of the Nerur plates

Satara Copper Plates-

These plates have become very crucial for understanding the evolution of the Marathi language. These have put officially put an end to the missing link which for years had existed between Maharashtri Prakrut and Older Marathi.

The EXACT year when the Arab invaders were repelled by Chalukyan forces in the Battle of Navsari. These plates are dated to 739CE (Shaka Samvat 661) which were issued under Chalukyan king Vijayaditya, these plates contain both Sanskrit verses and lines written in an early dialect of Marathi. While the charter is predominantly in Sanskrit—the formal royal language of the era—the prose includes explicit, recognizable Marathi words (such as in lines 13–17). This proves that the local tongue was already taking on distinct Marathi structures well before the 13th-century literary standard.

The inscription explicitly mentions Karahataka (the ancient name for modern-day Karad) and references historical lore surrounding Hastinapur and King Janamejaya. This anchors the early vernacular language to the culture and geography of the Satara region in Maharashtra.

  • (Lines 1 to 12): Roughly 70% to 75% of the total text is in Sanskrit. Following standard imperial protocols of the Chalukyas, it opens with formal praises, religious invocations, and the official genealogy of the king. However, even within these first 12 lines, regional vocabulary and Marathi nouns begin to surface.
  • Proto-Marathi / Early Vernacular (Lines 13 to 17): Roughly 25% to 30% of the text is written in an early dialect. This section is a localized record written in a prose format that directly maps onto modern Marathi grammar, syntax, and vocabulary.

The Sanskrut sentences-

The text details the ancestry of King Vijayaditya, praising his military victories, his devotion to the deities, and his governance over the "Three Maharashtras" (a geographic region referenced in Chalukyan records). It states the legal terms of a grant or administrative decree being enacted in the region.

"By the command of the illustrious Vijayaditya, the asylum of the universe, the favorite of fortune and the earth, the great king of kings... let it be known to all administrative heads..." It serves as a legal preface to prove that the decree holds royal, divine backing.

The Marathi Sentences & Meaning

The transition into early Marathi occurs precisely when the text shifts from abstract royal praise to local geographical realities, regional folklore, and religious boundaries-

"परिक्षीतानिकुसुतजनमेजय चक्रवर्ती हस्तिनापुरी सुखसंकथा विनोदी राज्य करित दक्षिणदिसावरे दिगुविजय यात्री विजयं करवुन करहाटकंबलेश्वरदेवा संनिधी कटमेलिकार करवुन पितृ सत्रु निमीती सर्पयाग करित अहेंद्रभक्षक स्वहा!"

Word-by-Word Translation & Grammatical Breakdown:

  • परिक्षीतानिकुसुतजनमेजय चक्रवर्ती (Parikshita-nikusu-ta-Janamejaya Chakravarti): Emperor Janamejaya, the son of King Parikshit.
  • हस्तिनापुरी (Hastinapuri): In the city of Hastinapur.
  • सुखसंकथा विनोदी राज्य करित (Sukhasankatha vinodi rajya karit): Ruling happily and engaging in intellectual, joyful discourses (Note: "rajya karit" is an exact precursor to the modern Marathi phrase "राज्य करीत" meaning "while ruling").
  • दक्षिणदिसावरे दिगुविजय यात्री विजयं करवुन (Dakshina-disavare diguvijaya yatri vijayam karavun): Launching a military campaign toward the southern direction and securing a grand victory (Note: "karavun" directly evolves into the modern Marathi suffix "करवून" or "करून").
  • करहाटकंबलेश्वरदेवा संनिधी (Karahataka-mbaleshwaradeva sannidhi): In the presence of Lord Mahabaleshwar at Karahataka (the ancient name for modern-day Karad in Satara).
  • कटमेलिकार करवुन (Katamelikar karavun): Having organized a military camp or gathering of elites.
  • पितृ सत्रु निमीती सर्पयाग करित (Pitru satru nimiti sarpayaga karit): Performing the Sarpa Satra (snake sacrifice ritual) on account of his father’s enemies (Note: "karit" is the precursor to modern Marathi "करीत" or "करणे").
  • अहेंद्रभक्षक स्वाहा! (Ahendrabhakshaka svaha!): Offering sacrifices to the consumer of the king of serpents!

The Exact Combined Meaning:

>"While Emperor Janamejaya, the son of Parikshit, was ruling happily in Hastinapur engaged in pleasant discourses, he set out on a campaign of conquest toward the southern direction. Having secured victory, he established his camp in the vicinity of the deity Mahabaleshwar at Karahataka (Karad). There, to avenge his father's enemies, he performed the snake sacrifice, declaring: Swaha to the consumer of the serpent king!"

  • Rather than using the complex verb inflections of Sanskrit, these lines use auxiliary verbs like karit (doing) and karavun (having caused to do). This is the definitive foundational syntax unique to the Marathi language.
  • The "Dative" Suffix: The phrase “दक्षिणदिसावरे” (Dakshina-disavare, meaning "upon/towards the southern direction") demonstrates an early version of the Marathi locative/dative suffix (-वर / -वरे). This feature is entirely absent in Sanskrit but central to modern Marathi.

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https://www.satara.gov.in/en/history/

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u/alexanderakshay — 14 hours ago

Where Dasus/Dayus Iranian in Vedas?

I've heard dasyus Is a cognate of a word "Dahae" that is meant to imply an Iranian tribe. So Iranian people where already present in NorthWest India before the arrival of Indo Aryan people?

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u/American_Bitch-468 — 10 hours ago
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Deconstructing the Bias: Were the Vedic Tribes Urban or Nomadic?

​ I am seeing a lot of posts and comments on this platform arguing that Vedic culture must have been a strictly urban and settled civilization to produce such profound philosophical texts. The underlying assumption is always the same: a pastoral or nomadic society is somehow too primitive to create or preserve something as sophisticated as the Vedas.

​In this post, I will discuss both sides of this debate, exposing why this rigid hierarchy of human development is historically inaccurate and why associating profound intellectual achievements exclusively with city dwellers is a deeply flawed premise.

They keep ignoring the increasingly complex picture of these societies that archaeology continues to uncover at places like Semiyarka. In the field of anthropology, this is what we call evolutionism where the society is divided into three basic stages of development from savagery through barbarism to civilization (thankfully this view has been discarded). This is where the nonsense originates that nomads were less 'civilized' than city dwellers, and therefore couldn't have been the ones responsible for composing the Vedas or having a 'higher philosophy.' The lifestyle of a group only affects their material, social, and political structure, not their intellectual capacity to produce something sophisticated.

> The “social will to sedentism” should not be taken for granted. Nor should the terms “pastoralist,” “agriculturalist,” “hunter,” or “forager,” at least in their essentialist meanings, be taken for granted. They are better understood as defining a spectrum of subsistence activities, not separate peoples, in the ancient Middle East. Kin groups and villages might have pastoralist, hunting, and cereal-growing segments as part of a unified economy. A family or village whose crops had failed might turn wholly or in part to herding; pastoralists who had lost their flocks might turn to planting. Whole areas during a drought or wetter period might radically shift their subsistence strategy. To treat those engaged in these different activities as essentially different peoples inhabiting different life worlds is again to read back the much later stigmatization of pastoralists by agrarian states to an era where it makes no sense. — Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States by James C. Scott (2017)

In fact the recent research shows that pastoralists and hunter-gatherers had much easier life than early states as Scott says: "The early state, in fact, as we shall see, often failed to hold its population; it was exceptionally fragile epidemiologically, ecologically, and politically and prone to collapse or fragmentation."

So, the evidence of their semi-pastoralism is abundant, hiding in plain sight within the verses of the texts themselves:

They used to move in form of grāma ("trekking warrior band/train") with temporary camps instead of staying in one place permanently.

> When, indeed, the Bharatas will have crossed thee, the cow-seeking train, sent forth, urged on by Indra, then may your hastening course rush on swiftly ! This favour I beg of you who are worthy of worship. — RV 3.33.11

> Just as one knowing the country may urge on a train: yonder is a good road, along that we will march; yonder is a good ford, by that we will cross (the river); yonder is a good resting place, there we will camp. — JB 2.424

> And hence even now when a train of men have journeyed for a day and a night they take rest for a day and a night — ŚB 6.7.4.10

The scouts had a most important function, for there must have been hot competition between several trains for suitable resting places.

> Verily, just as in daily life, when the (next) resting place has not been secured, (people) are driven away time and again: 'you must not camp here, you must not camp here' -- thus they are driven away time and again from yonder world. — GB 2.1.8[150, 8]

> In accordance with this the two ends of a train join together. In accordance with this the two ends of a necklace join together. In accordance with this a snake lies taking its coils about it — JB 3,331[489,33] = JUB 1,35,7

RV 3.33.11 describes Bharatas as gavyán grāmaḥ ("a grāma looking out for cattle").

The RV 7.83.1 literally prays to Varuna and Indra to help Sudas and his allies on his quest to raid cattle (prācā́ gavyántaḥ) from his enemies during The Battle of 10 Kings.

The life of Vedic Aryans was based on yoga-kṣema who alternated between periods of movement (yóga- “yoking [the herds]”) and settlement (kṣéma).

> The mind of some people [is directed] towards exertion ( yoga), that of others towards rest (kṣema). Therefore, the traveling one ( yāyāvara) rules over the resting one (kṣemya) — TS 5.2.1.7

The ritual texts keep the imagery of the trekking warrior who is forever yoking his horses to set out again to lord it over the kṣemya, the stay-at-home sedentary people. In later texts, the pattern, then, seems to have been a yearly circuit of transhumance and raiding, starting from permanent agricultural settlements and returning there again for the agricultural operations of the monsoon crop.

> "In the last month of the cool season (śiśira-), i.e. in the month Phālguṇa, they set out on a digvijaya- or world conquest in an easterly direction; there they took hold of the barley harvest, fed their men and animals and returned to the west, immediately before the rainy season. Then, after the rainy season, they laboured in their own fields, and in the last month of the year they harvested the second crop." — TB 1,8,4

From TB 1,8,4,4 (on the draught-oxen given as dakṣiṇā):

> "He yokes the two ends of the year; it serves for the reaching of heaven."

Even the religious structure regarding the deities is based on such a cycle -

> The chariot-drivers call upon you in conflicts, in battles; they who stand fixed call upon you when establishing peaceful settlement; o Indra and Varuṇa, we call upon you, so easily invoked, you who govern both kinds of good [= that obtained through battle and that through peaceful settlement]. Indra and Varuṇa, when you two created all these beings of the world through your might, Mitra befriended Varuṇa through peaceful settlement; the other moves along with the Maruts…the powerful one. — RV 7.82.4–5

They pray to Mitra for protecting their peaceful and settled dwelling (kṣéma) after yoking the herds (yóga)

> At almost every mention in the Ṛgveda of contracts and alliances, the poets express the expectations that are connected with them. This is first and foremost peaceful, settled dwelling (kṣéma) safe from, and free of being beset by, enemies (cf. RV 2.4.3, 11.14, 7.82.5). Because this is the fundamental condition for prosperity, safety and integrity, these values are mentioned time and time again: ‘Who dwells upon the earth like a god, suckling all like a king, by whom a contract was concluded’ (RV 1.73.3), ‘[You Ṛbhus], cause the wealth to thrive, create possessions for us. Conclude a contract [with us, that ensures prosperity,] like those who want to settle [conclude a contract that guarantees peaceful dwelling]’ (RV 4.33.10). The establishment of contracts between mortals is primarily bound to the two liminal points of settled dwelling—at the beginning and the end of peaceful dwelling, or in other words: to the beginning of peace and the beginning of war. It is the critical point of the transition from yóga to kṣéma and vice versa that Mitra governs, makes controllable, alleviates. He is responsible for the transition brought about through contract and alliance in the kṣéma phase, and for the transition at its end. Mitra’s obligation—at least as far as the Ṛgveda shows—is first and foremost to provide for peaceful conditions. — The Religion of the Ṛgveda by Thomas Oberlies (2023)

There is no evidence of urban cities in Vedas. The only words (as per Manfred) that appear are armaká- (ruined cities, rubble) and púr (mound or rampart).

> púr- feminine. Wall of stones and clay/mud, entrenchment, palisade (Rigveda [púr, púram, purā́, pūrṣú among others] and later, Rau, pur passim; see furthermore Schneider, Somaraub 3,14, K. Mylius, EAZ 10 [1969] 33ff., 11 [1970] 70ff., ZPSK 31 [1978] 309f., Bur, Krat 21 [1976(77)] 72ff., KEWA II 327 Note *, W. Knobel, KZ 99 [1986] 236, J. Makkay, AcArchHung 38 [1986] 13ff.); mahā-pur-á- neuter. large wall/rampart (Kāṭhaka-Saṃhitā and later), pura- neuter. enclosure/surrounding wall, fortress, settlement (Manusmṛti and later; see AiGr II 1,113); puram-dará- masculine. destroyer of the walls/ramparts (mostly said of Indra; Rigveda and later [see AiGr II 1² Appendix 61]), pūr-bhíd- breaking the walls/ramparts (Indra; Rigveda). Middle Indic, Pali, Prakrit pura- neuter. fortress, settlement, among others (Turner 2195, 8278 [with references]; TuAdd 350). Indo-European *pl̥h₁- (see below), Lithuanian pilìs, Latvian pils castle, stronghold (= Vedic púr-, Schi, Wn 32), compare Greek πόλις feminine. castle, fortress (see the literature in Mh, LI 129). Indo-European *pl̥h₁- is primarily 'filling up, heaping up', related to PAR¹ [to fill]; Schi, Wn 32f. (with literature), J. Knobloch, Sprw 5 (1980) 196, 197 (see also M Casewitz, Ktema 8 [1983(86)] 81ff., G. Costa, SSL 27 [1987(88)] 151ff.). For Uralic (Altaic) comparative material see Schi, Wn 33 (with literature), Joki 359f., Katz, Habilschr 292. — Etymologisches Wörterbuch des Altindoarischenb I-III. Band by Mayrhofer

Even the word for bricks (iṣṭakā) do not appear in RV and is first used in the rituals mentioned in AV and YV.

The words for irrigation systems and bricks in Indo-Iranian do not derive from any known Indo-European roots (possibly from BMAC) which means they encountered urban centers rather than establishing them natively (Lubotsky 2001).

For all intents and purposes, these chauvinists are more Eurocentric than those they accuse of being so. By equating intellectual capacity and preservation strictly with monumental architecture and static cities, they are unknowingly adopting a colonial lens.

u/Certain_Basil7443 — 15 hours ago

When did people first begin to view the Indian subcontinent - from the Himalayas to the Indian Ocean - as one geographical entity?

What is the earliest evidence when people living outside and inside the ancient India began to see India as a single geographical entity?

I am not looking for a political or national union but rather the geographical awareness of a single unified region or civilization.

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u/Creative_soja — 8 hours ago

Religious history of the Indian continent

It captures the ritual history from the Palaeolithic age to the organisational religious history in the modern age. Please be civil in the comments. Even while criticising (I like criticism)

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u/geopoliticsdude — 9 hours ago

Digambar P. Dandekar: The Man Behind Camlin ✒️

The story of Camlin begins not in a factory, but in a modest one-room chawl (tenement housing) in Girgaum, Mumbai

In 1931, Digambar Parashuram Dandekar (D.P. Dandekar), a chemistry graduate from Maharashtra's Konkan region, left his stable government job in search of a startup. Realizing that quality stationery products in India were almost entirely imported from the UK, Germany, or Japan, he set out with a simple yet ambitious vision: to make high-quality writing ink in India at a time when most stationery products were imported. Inspired by the spirit of the Swadeshi movement, he believed that India could create products equal to the world's best.

Working from his small home, Dandekar began producing ink powder by hand. The early days were far from easy. He spent long hours perfecting his formulas and personally introduced his products to local shops and customers. His wife, Malti, stood beside him throughout this journey, helping in the early stages of the business.

Soon, D.P. was joined by his elder brother, Govind Parashuram Dandekar (G.P. Dandekar), an municipal engineer. Together, the two brothers formally established Dandekar & Co., selling ink powders and tablets under the Horse Brand moniker. They quickly made a name for themselves among Maharashtrian and Gujarati businessmen in the old Bombay Presidency.

However, as they prepared to branch out into the new world of fountain pens - a major shift away from the messy inkwells built into school desks - they realized they needed a new identity. They needed a brand name that was completely neutral, free of religious or family affiliations, and easy to write and pronounce in every single Indian language.

The answer came in an Irani café. While drinking tea with a friend, D.P. Dandekar’s eye was drawn to an advertisement for Camel cigarettes. In his autobiography, Oontavarchaa Pravaas (Travels with the Camel), he explained the spark of genius: a camel stores essential nourishment in its hump to travel for miles across the desert.

What was a fountain pen if not a camel? Once you filled it with ink, you could write for miles without stopping. The Camel brand was born, and to permanently tie the animal to its liquid of choice, they blended "Came," and "Ink" to coin the catchy name: Camlin.

As demand grew, the business outgrew the tiny chawl, moving its operations to Shivaji Park before expanding into the suburban wilds of Andheri by 1950s. What began as a small ink business gradually evolved into one of India's most respected stationery and art-materials manufacturers.

Camlin introduced generations of Indians to products such as fountain pen ink, geometry boxes, crayons, colour pencils, watercolours, poster colours, oil pastels, brushes, and drawing materials. They even created the legendary All India Camel Colour Contest, which entered the Guinness World Records as the world's largest art competition staggering 4.8 million entries.

The Dandekar brothers built one of India's earliest and most influential homegrown stationery companies. At a time when imported products dominated the market, they proved that Indian manufacturing could deliver quality, reliability, and innovation.

More than ninety years later, the legacy of Digambar Parashuram Dandekar and Govind Parashuram Dandekar continues to live on in classrooms, art studios, offices, and homes across the country.

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u/Jevlaas_Ka — 20 hours ago
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Molly Fink: Australian Socialite turned Maharani of Pudukottai. Her marriage to King Marthanda Bhairava Tondaiman in 1915 caused such a scandal in British India that it lead to a possible poisoning attempt on her. She would ultimately leave India, taking her royal husband with her, never to return.

Born in 1896 to an Australian Barrister, Molly Fink would grow up as a reckless and sometimes rebellious girl, ultimately leading to her expulsion from Lauriston Girls' School for 'misbehaviour'. She was described as "a golden-haired society beauty, with blue eyes, an 'oval, ivory-skinned face' and 'pouting pomegranate lips'".

Sometime before 1914, her father suddenly passed away, leading Molly along with her mother and sister to relocate to a rented apartment at Hotel Majestic Mansions, due to financial constraints. It is here that she would meet the Maharaja of Pudukkottai, a westernized prince named Marthanda Bhairava. The 40 year old Marthanda would immediately fall in love with the only 19 year old Fink. In August of 1915, the two were married in Australia, and by the end of the year they would be back in Pudukkottai.

While the reception of the general public to the newly wed couple was positive, this union irked the British Raj, which neither recognized Molly as the Rani of Pudukkottai nor as Marthanda's lawful wife.

This hostility towards Molly would culminate in an alleged poisoning attempt after the discovery of her pregnancy. Marthanda would promptly remove her from the palace establishment, which he had good reason to doubt. Pudukkottai was known as a princely state notorious for its powerful and power hungry royal women and men. According to one account, Marthanda's step grandmother had initiated a sacrifice of 100 cobras to repel an alleged poisoning attempt by a royal minister.

The British continued being uncooperative, refusing to allow proper accomodation to the couple in their new abode of Ooty. This resulted in Marthanda and Molly finally deciding to leave India forever, first moving to Australia and ultimately to France after relinquishing royal powers in 1921.

After Marthanda's death in 1928, her finances began to dwindle again. She rejected a marriage proposal by Aga Khan, one of Pakistan's founding fathers, and raised her son Marthanda Sydney Tondaiman. She drank heavily, and was diagnosed with bowel cancer in 1967, dying shortly afterwards.

The only son of the couple, Marthanda Sydney Tondaiman, had a failed marriage and a habit of kleptomania (an uncontrollable urge to steal). He lived for sometime as a U.S citizen, but his citizenship was revoked and he was arrested in New york due to his habit of stealing. He became a recluse and an alcoholic later in life, dying in 1984.

Sources: https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/fink-esme-mary-sorrett-molly-10182

https://manuspillai.com/2019/10/04/black-magic-and-a-bureaucrat-05-october-2019/

https://www.timesnownews.com/lifestyle/people/martanda-bhairava-tondaiman-the-raja-who-gave-up-his-throne-for-the-woman-he-loved-article-113321051

u/Cautious_Act_2549 — 21 hours ago

My father’s collection of coins. Both from pre and Post independence eras.

The 8th and 9th picture is a Ram Darbar coin.
The 12th and 13th picture is a WWII Medal(1939-1945).
I love the engraved design on the coins. All coins ranging from 50 anna to 5rs had such engravings on the sides. He has collected all special coins + all denomination coins ranging from anna to 20rs coins. The oldest coin he has is from 1907.
I couldn’t click a picture of all because he has a huge collection. But these are the ones i found so fascinating.
Why don’t we have such beautiful coins anymore?

u/Aashuubabyy — 13 hours ago

What makes a bindi a bindi or a pottu a pottu?

https://preview.redd.it/8qubhfaq3dbh1.png?width=441&format=png&auto=webp&s=562081ec2626f146b56b33f9b89f660a267de8ca

So earlier today when I was scrolling through pinterest I came across this picture. Someone (an Indian I assume) commented that this is called a bindi or pottu: 'the last slide is literally called a bindi or pottu which originates from india' this is what they wrote, so I tried searching up a bindi and pottu to find out whether this is actually a bindi or pottu, but all I found was the red dot between, and or a little above, the eyebrows.

So I started wondering what actually makes something a bindi and a pottu a pottu, because all makeup between the brows can't be bindis or pottus? That wouldn't make sense to me personally.

So what makes a bindi a bindi? And what makes a pottu a pottu?

And is the makeup in these pictures bindis or pottus and by being that cultural appropriation?

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u/Admirable-Tell3038 — 17 hours ago

India through the eyes of Emily Eden,

Travelling across northern India in the 1830s, Emily Eden (1797-1869) made a number of portraits of eminent people, and also of their attendants. Her work gives a unique insight into Punjab, especially at the close of the golden era of Maharaja Ranjit
Singh's reign and at the start of Queen Victoria's.
Members of the Eden family played prominent roles in British society and politics for nearly 200 years. Anthony Eden was the Conservative Prime Minister in the 1950s. But it began with his ancestor William Eden, a Whig aristocrat and MP in the 1770s.
Among William's many children, George Eden (Lord Auck-land) was Governor-General in India from 1836-42. One of the sharpest minds in the family was his younger sister Emily, an artist, poet and novelist. Being unmarried, she elected to accompany her bachelor brother to India, to act as his hostess.
So, too, did their youngest sibling Frances (known as Fanny).
Both Emily and Fanny accompanied George on his travels, including on his expedition from Calcutta to Lahore, to visit the court of Maharaja Ranjit Singh in 1838
Along the way, Emily drew portraits of people she met. Her subjects included Afghan and Sikh nobles; Akalis and hill people; fakirs, domestic servants and hunting attendants - anyone who caught her eye, whether young or old.
On the Edens' return to England, over two dozen of her sketches were engraved as lithographs, published as 'Por-traits of the Princes and People of India' in 1844.

u/Zestyclose-Author732 — 23 hours ago

IVC bricks and Vedic Fire Altars: A brief overview of Indian Geometry

I read a post/comment here which suggested a relationship between brick making traditions of IVC and Vedic Fire Altars described by Sulbasutras. Intrigued, I went down a rabbit hole and found extremely interesting history of Ancient Indian Geometry. Think of this as a beginner friendly introduction rather than an actual academic study.

Standardisation of Bricks in IVC

Standardisation of bricks in the ratio of 1:2:4 is one of the hallmark feature of Indian Valley Civilisation. This standardisation occurred in the early stages as evidenced from the sites of Kot Diji and Harappa. This ratio varied particularly in the eastern sites such as Kalibangan and Banawali, wherein the ratio of 1:2:3 was observed. It is only during the mature stage(2600–1900 BCE) of IVC, we find that ratio was standardised across the length and breadth of the civilisation. During the Late phase, brick dimensions diverged away from the Indus proportion.

So, what were the brick sizes in the IVC sites? Although the ratio of 1:2:4 was standardised, Harappan people used different brick sizes, e.g 7×14×28 cm, 8×16×32 cm, 9×18×36 cm, and 10×20×40cm. Kenoyer observes a gradual decrease in the size of bricks from the earliest to the last phase at Harappa. While during the earliest phase, the size of bricks was 7×14×28 cm, it decreased to 5×12×24 cm at the end of the Harappan phase. Also, The larger brick sizes were used prominently for the construction of fortification walls around the settlements.

A sidebar, Interestingly IVC people may have used a combination of binary and decimal system. Weight measures doubles in ratio as 1,2,4,8,16,32,and 64, after which it progresses in decimal system like 160,200,320,640,1600. Hemmy believes that it shows that there was no sexagesimal system(base60) and all the ratios are binary or decimal.

Complex Geometry of bricks in Vedic Altars

This is probably more complex to analyse and here I'll be limiting myself to Baudhayana Sulbasutras(800-500BCE) which is considered to be the oldest, largest, and mathematically most rich text providing precise geometric rules for measuring and constructing ritual fire altars(vedis).

Before getting ahead, attaching a brief introduction of units of measurement used by Baudhayana Sulbasutras.

https://preview.redd.it/4yen7b9ntbbh1.png?width=764&format=png&auto=webp&s=23e62b257ae20394b2c377ed6d80de2888bf99b5

Angula, a unit of measure, is equal to 14 grains of anu plant(Panicum milaceum) or alternatively it is equal to 34 sesame seeds put together with their broad sides. (B.SL.S 1.4-5)

Various brick sizes explained in Baudhayana Sulbasutra are:

  • A square brick whose side measures fourth part of a Purusa (120 ang.), called caturthi. 30×30 ang (B.SL.S 3.11)
  • A square brick whose side measures fifth part of a Purusa, called pancami. 24×24 ang (B.SL.S 3.11)
  • A square brick whose side measures sixth part of a Purusa. 20×20 ang (B.SL.S 3.11)
  • A square brick whose side measures tenth part of a Purusa. 12×12 ang (B.SL.S 3.11)

Caturthi and variations created out of it,

  • A right triangle brick created by diving the caturthi brick in half via diagonal, called ardha. 30×30×30sqrt(2) ang. Here, 30sqrt(2) is the hypotenuse of the triangle. (B.SL.S 4.2-3)
  • A right triangle brick created by diving the caturthi brick in quarter via diagonals, called padya. 15sqrt(2)×15sqrt(2)×30 ang. Here, 30 is the hypotenuse of the triangle. (B.SL.S 4.3-4)
  • A rectangular brick whose one side measure half of caturthi and other one quarter of caturthi. 15×7.5 ang. (B.SL.S 4.5-7) (Type 1)
  • A right triangle brick with two equal sides measuring half of caturthi. 15×15×15sqrt(2). Here, 15sqrt(2) is the hypotenuse of the triangle. (B.SL.S 4.5-7) (Type 2)
  • Combination of Type 1 and Type 2 Brick to create a trapezoid brick. 22.5×15sqrt(2)×7.5×15 ang. (B.SL.S 4.5-7) (Type 3)
  • Combination of two Type 3 bricks to create a pentagonal brick. 7.5×15sqrt(2)×15sqrt(2)×7.5×30 ang. Bricks of this kind are called Hansmukhi. (B.SL.S 4.5-7)

Pancami and few variations created out of it, (there are more variations here too but keeping it short here)

  • A rectangular brick whose one side measures pancami and other side is longer than the pancami side by half. 36×24 ang (B.SL.S 3.42-43)
  • A rectangular brick whose one side measures pancami and other side is half of pancami. 24×12 ang (B.SL.S 3.44)

Sulbasutras has given specifications for the height of the brick as well. The height of the bricks should be equal to fifth part of the janu (32 angulas) = 6 2/5 ang. The height of the bricks for the top layer (Pancacoda and Nakasata type) can be half of the regular brick (3 1/5 ang). (B.SL.S 2.58-59) Definition of Pancacoda and Nakasata layer is given in B.SL.S 2.28.

It is using these various kinds of bricks, different types of Vedic Fire altars are created. Baudhayana Sulbasutra describes in detail how to construct different types of altar, square shaped, circular, triangular and most renowned the falcon/bird shaped altar.

Major differences between the two traditions

Aspect IVC Bricks(2600-1900BCE) Baudhayana Sulbasutra Bricks (800-500BCE)
Purpose Focussed on practical applications. Used in Houses, drainage, fortifications, public works. Constructed for Vedic ritual altars.
Material Mostly baked bricks, both sun baked and kiln baked; Mud bricks in earlier stage. Both baked and unbaked bricks, depending on the ritual
Standardisation Highly standardised ratio of 1:2:4; Variations have been observed. Multiple specially shaped bricks designed according to geometric and ritual rules.
Design Mostly rectangular Rectangular, square, triangular, trapezoidal, pentagonal, and other custom shapes.
Basis Engineering, urban planning, and modular construction. Ritual geometry and religious symbolism

Evidence of Continuity

Currently there is no scholarly consensus that the Sulbasutra brick specifications were derived directly from Indus Valley brick standards or were related in anyway. Both are considered to belong to different historical and cultural contexts.

Most scholars argue that chronological gap between the two traditions, close to 1000 years, makes direct continuity difficult to demonstrate without intermediate evidence. There is also lack of direct archaeological and textual evidence to link Harappan brick making traditions with the ritual brick traditions described in the Sulbasutras.

Proponents of continuity contest that continued usage of baked bricks and a strong emphasis on measurements and proportions imply some form of technological and cultural continuity. Additional evidence is required to establish direct continuity.

Conclusion

Most historians and archaeologists take cautious stand regarding the debate. It is speculated and agreed that brick making technology may have persisted after the decline of Indus Valley Civilisation; however, they do not conclude that both the brick traditions are continuous. With current evidence, there is no conclusive evidence establishing a direct link between IVC brick making traditions and Vedic brick traditions described in Sulbasutras.

Sources:

[1] https://dn760108.eu.archive.org/0/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.405552/2015.405552.Baudhayan-Sulbasutram.pdf (Do let me know if other translations are available)
[2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235784941_Bricks_and_urbanism_in_the_Indus_Valley_rise_and_decline
[3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348836370_Evolution_of_Early_Human_Settlements_in_the_Sarasvati_River_Basin_Archaeological_Evidence_and_Site_Distribution_Analysis
[4] https://aws-static.iicdelhi.in/s3fs-public/2020-11/145615June132013_IIC_48_13_06_2013.pdf

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u/foremanyougottasteal — 20 hours ago

1975 footage of Vyjayanthimala explaining Bharatanatyam to an Australian audience

I came across this archival clip on Instagram and thought it would be of interest here.

According to the caption this footage is from a 1975 ABC Australia television appearance in Perth featuring Vyjayanthimala explaining Bharatanatyam to an Australian audience.

In the clip she beautifully explains hasta mudras (hand gestures) and abhinaya (expressive storytelling through movement and facial expression)offering an introduction to key elements of the dance form.

If the attribution is correct the recording provides an interesting example of how Indian classical dance was presented to international audiences during the 1970s.

Source: Instagram account @desiculturecollective. The caption attributes the footage to ABC Australia, Perth (1975) featuring Vyjayanthimala. If anyone knows the original ABC broadcast or archival source I'd appreciate it if you could share it.

u/ComfortableNo2695 — 1 day ago
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Gupta Empire (Brown):

The Guptas directly ruled most of northern, central, and eastern India, stretching from present-day Punjab and Uttar Pradesh to Bengal, and south into parts of the Deccan.

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The remnants of the once-powerful Kushan Kingdom in the northwest acknowledged Gupta supremacy. Rather than annexing the region, the Guptas allowed local rulers to govern as tributary states, securing the empire's northwestern frontier.

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The Vakatakas were a powerful Deccan kingdom and close allies of the Guptas through marriage. Chandragupta II's daughter, Prabhavatigupta, became queen of the Vakatakas, strengthening political and military ties between the two dynasties.

Kamapura (Gupta Vassal):

Located in the eastern Himalayan foothills, Kamapura accepted Gupta overlordship while maintaining local autonomy, helping secure the empire's northeastern frontier.

Carnatic (Gupta Vassal):

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u/mammaboy28 — 1 day ago

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u/Exoticindianart — 2 days ago

Most plausible theory for the emergence and enduring popularity of the Brahmin conversion narrative within sections of the St. Thomas Christian community.

The rigid caste system in Kerala appears to have become firmly established only around the 9th century, following the second Namboodiri migration. Christianity though not in the form we recognize today had already been present in Kerala for centuries before this. Therefore, there is little basis for claims of large scale Brahmin conversions during that earlier period.

As the caste system became more rigid, the Nasrani community also came to occupy a distinct position within it. It is well documented that these communities did not engage in significant missionary activity or widespread conversion. Instead, they largely maintained a degree of social exclusivity while adopting several Brahmanical customs. The Christianity that existed in Kerala before the arrival of the Portuguese was a distinctive tradition shaped by Dravidian and Persian influences, and possibly Gnostic currents. It represented a unique expression of Christianity that did not fit neatly into later Western theological or ecclesiastical categories.

Only after the arrival of the Portuguese did large-scale conversions begin. At the same time, Christianity in Kerala underwent increasing Latinization, with Western theological and ecclesiastical influences becoming more prominent. As the Portuguese converted people from a wide range of castes, older Nasrani families sought to preserve their distinct social status. In this context, the narrative of Brahmin ancestry appears to have gained prominence, particularly among influential families such as the Pakalomattam family. Such claims may have served to reinforce their prestige and legitimacy within the community.

In my view, this is the most plausible theory for the emergence and enduring popularity of the Brahmin conversion narrative within sections of the St. Thomas Christian community.

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