Often we hear this argument that Abu Bakr, as the father of Aisha, would not have allowed the marriage if it was harmful for her. That the father will have protective instincts and will make sure her daughter is safe. Well then ask them does this sound anything like a man who has father instincts? Or an unyielding father who treated his daughters as political instruments and subjects of absolute discipline? Let see if any of those defenders of Pedophile Mohamed would want to be a daughter of Abu Bakr.

The father who failed to protect his daughter

The story of Asma is indeed heart breaking. The story is often cited by classical commentators like Al Zamakhshari and Al Qurtubi in their commentaries on, guess which surah? Surah An Nisa 4:34, the damn verse about wife beating. Let us see how it is described and how Abu Bakr responded:

عن أسماء بنت الصديق رضي الله عنها: كنت رابعة أربع نسوة عند الزبير، فإذا غضب على إحدانا ضربها بعود المشجب حتى يكسره عليها... فعقد شعر واحدة بالأخرى، ثم ضربهما ضربا شديدا... فشكت إلى أبيها أبي بكر رضي الله عنه فقال: يا بنية اصبري..

From Asma' bint al-Siddiq: I was one of four women married to Al-Zubayr. Whenever he was displeased with one of us, he would strike her with a rod from the clothes rack (al mishjab) until it broke against her... [On one occasion] he tied the hair of one wife to the other and beat them both severely... She complained to her father, Abu Bakr, and he said: 'O my daughter, have patience (اصبري)...

Where is the father instinct of this man? Was it on a holiday exploring Jabal Al Qamar the day Asma came and told her father about the abuse? How did Muslim's at the time understand wife beating? Are you telling me the man who was told he would go to heaven and the first Khalifa didn't know it was gentle beatings? Let's not forget how he likes to beat his own daughter:

The father who beats his daughter

1. Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace". But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Messenger ﷺ although that hit was very painful.
2. Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported:

Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came 'Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Prophet (ﷺ) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter ofKhadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck.....

3. There was a disagreement between Mohamed and Aisha, and Abu Bakr was called in to judge. When Aisha challenged the Pedo Mohamed by telling him to "speak the truth," Abu Bakr struck her until she bled and called her "O enemy of your own soul" (يا عدوة نفسها).

The father who will not believe his daughter

When Aisha returned to Medina, she immediately fell severely ill for an entire month. Mohamed treated her not nicely too and would simply enter her room and say things like "How is that lady?" and leave. Aisha later discovered that there was a rumour against her. Her illness grew worse. Wanting to get the protection of her parents, when she felt none from Mohamed, she asked to stay in her parents house. She wept nonstop when she came to Abu Bakr's house. What did Abu Bakr do? He treated the accusation as something plausible instead of shutting down the rumour. When Mohamed came to their house and asked Aisha to confess to any crime if she did do it, Aisha looked at her dad and asked him to step in to defend her, which Abu Bakr refused.

Do you think this man is role model for a father? Is this man the type of father every woman wishes they had? Will this man protect his daughter when he has failed to do so many times? Islam is a religion brought to us by barbarians in the desert. The true description of the first generation of Muslims can be found in this verse:

"You are the worst community ever brought forth for mankind as an example: you enjoin pedophilia, sex slavery, and believe in a false god. And had the rest of humanity believed as you do, it would surely have been worse. Among them are those who are brainwashed, but most of them are preserved from the rot."

Apostate's Quran (3:110)

The Apostate has spoken.

So we had a Muslim on the sub some time back, who did make a funny post wondering why we do not believe in Islam. I challenged him, and he could not answer. As always, like how Muslims behave, instead of admitting they are challenged, do not have answers and are simply wrong, he doubled down on the delusion and offered me a challenge. Hundreds of reasons why Islam is true. The list is massive and really very funny. If that is what it takes for you to be in Islam, I have bad news for you. But since I was asked to debunk, let's do it. I will do it in parts. Lets do part of the "Scientific Miracles" mentioned. Let's jump to each point:

# Scientific Miracles

1. The Big Bang Singularity (21:30)

Singularity is not mentioned in the verse. The word رتق is the edge of a cloth, which Allah then separated.

Ibn Kathir: { أن السماوات والأرض كانتا رتقا } أي: كان الجميع متصلا بعضه ببعض متلاصق متراكم ، بعضه فوق بعض في ابتداء الأمر ، ففتق هذه من هذه . فجعل السماوات سبعا ، والأرض سبعا ، وفصل بين سماء الدنيا والأرض بالهواء ، فأمطرت السماء وأنبتت الأرض

• Translation: {That the heavens and the earth were joined together} meaning: everything was connected, adhering to one another, piled one upon the other at the beginning. Then He separated them. He made the heavens seven and the earth seven, and He separated the lowest heaven from the earth with air, so the sky rained and the earth produced vegetation.

This is not a singularity; it’s a primitive mythology in which a deity cuts up the connection between heaven and earth, then “lifts” the heaven up to allow space between.

2. Expansion of the Universe (51:47)

Verse doesn't say "we are expanding" it says "we are mighty" and "we are capable" and "we are all encompassing"...etc. "Allah" uses the word وسع multiple times in the Quran to indicate his power. Look at verse 2:236, it uses the word "موسع" to mean rich or wealthy, funny how Muslims try to reinterpret things to suit their needs.

The word in 51:47 translated as expanding is موسعون from the base form وسع. The Quran uses the word وسع multiple times in the Quran to indicate Allah's power. But even better, the Quran uses the exact same word (minus the royal we conjugation) in verse 2:236: Here word "موسع" is correctly translated to mean rich/wealthy, which is consistent with the traditional interpretation of 51:47 as well.

But don't take my word for it. Look at what Muslim scholars wrote in their exegesis:

• Al-Saadi: { وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ } لأرجائها وأنحائها، وإنا لموسعون [أيضا] على عبادنا، بالرزق الذي ما ترك الله دابة في مهامه القفار، ولجج البحار، وأقطار العالم العلوي والسفلي، إلا وأوصل إليها من الرزق، ما يكفيها، وساق إليها من الإحسان ما يغنيها. فسبحان من عم بجوده جميع المخلوقات، وتبارك الذي وسعت رحمته جميع البريات.
• Translation: {And indeed, We are all-encompassing} its corners and regions, and indeed, We are all-encompassing for Our servants, with the provision that God has not left a creature in His desert plains, the depths of the seas, and the regions of the upper and lower worlds, except that He has delivered to it from provision what suffices it, and has brought to it from kindness what enriches it. So glory be to He who has encompassed all creatures with His generosity, and blessed be He whose mercy has encompassed all creation.
• Baghawi: ( وإنا لموسعون ) قال ابن عباس رضي الله تعالى عنهما : قادرون . وعنه أيضا : لموسعون الرزق على خلقنا . وقيل : ذو سعة . قال الضحاك : أغنياء ، دليله : قوله - عز وجل - : " على الموسع قدره " ( البقرة - 236 ) ، قال الحسن : مطيقون
• Translation: (And indeed, We are indeed All-Encompassing) Ibn Abbas, may God be pleased with him, said: Able. And also from him: We are indeed All-Encompassing in provision for Our creation. And it was said: He has plenty. Ad-Dahhak said: Rich. Its evidence is the statement of the Almighty: “Upon the one who is amply endowed is his measure” (Al-Baqarah: 236). Al-Hasan said: Capable.
• Ibn Kathir ( وإنا لموسعون ) ، أي : قد وسعنا أرجاءها ورفعناها بغير عمد ، حتى استقلت كما هي .
• Translation: (And indeed, We are able), meaning: We have created its corners and raised it without pillars, until it stood as it is.
• Qurtubi: وإنا لموسعون قال ابن عباس : لقادرون . وقيل : أي وإنا لذو سعة ، وبخلقها وخلق غيرها لا يضيق علينا شيء نريده . وقيل : أي وإنا لموسعون الرزق على خلقنا . عن ابن عباس أيضا . الحسن : وإنا لمطيقون . وعنه أيضا : وإنا لموسعون الرزق بالمطر . وقال الضحاك : أغنيناكم ; دليله : على الموسع قدره . وقال القتبي : ذو سعة على خلقنا . والمعنى متقارب . وقيل : جعلنا بينهما وبين الأرض سعة . الجوهري : وأوسع الرجل أي صار ذا سعة وغنى ، ومنه قوله تعالى : والسماء بنيناها بأيد وإنا لموسعون أي أغنياء قادرون . فشمل جميع الأقوال .
• Translation: And indeed, We are indeed vast. Ibn Abbas said: We are able. It was also said: That is, We are indeed vast, and by creating it and other things, nothing we want is too difficult for Us. It was also said: That is, We are indeed vast in provision for Our creation. Also from Ibn Abbas. Al-Hasan: And indeed, We are able. And from him also: And indeed, We are indeed vast in provision with rain. Ad-Dahhak said: We have enriched you; its evidence: for the one who is vast according to his ability. Al-Qutbi said: Of vast in provision for Our creation. The meaning is close. It was also said: We made vast between them and the earth. Al-Jawhari: And the man was vast means he became vast and rich, and from this is the saying of Allah the Almighty: And the heaven We constructed with power. And indeed, We are indeed vast, meaning We are wealthy and capable. So it includes all the sayings.
• Tabari: وقوله ( وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ ) يقول: لذو سعة بخلقها وخلق ما شئنا أن نخلقه وقدرة عليه. ومنه قوله عَلَى الْمُوسِعِ قَدَرُهُ وَعَلَى الْمُقْتِرِ قَدَرُهُ [البقرة: 236] يراد به القويّ.
• Translation: And His statement (And indeed, We are All-Encompassing) means: He has the capacity to create it and to create whatever We will to create and the ability to do it. And from this is His statement: “Upon the wealthy is his measure, and upon the poor is his measure” [Al-Baqarah: 236] meaning the strong.

Funny how nobody explained this as "we are expanding it", but when it became convenient, suddenly Muslims start claiming that's what it meant all along.

3. The Theoretical Multiverse (1:2)

The Quran explains the meaning of “lord of the worlds” in 26:23-24:

• Pharaoh said: And what is the Lord of the Worlds?
• (Moses) said: Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, if ye had but sure belief.

4. Subatomic Particles (34:3, 10:61)

This is pretty idiotic. In modern Arabic the word ذرة means atom, so it’s not subatomic, it’s atomic.
But before the word ذرة meant atom, it meant something else: a grain. That’s why we say ذرة رمل meaning a grain of sand.
Anybody making this argument doesn’t understand the way language evolves.

5. String Theory (4:124, 4:49)

Two verses that talks about ethical and legal statements about divine justice is used here to make it sound like it is scientific. This is the funny part. If I said, "Even if you did the smallest right, you will be rewarded," can the word "smallest" be taken to mean string theory? Did you read the verse and what is says?

• "Have you not seen those who claim themselves to be pure? Rather, Allah purifies whom He wills, and injustice is not done to them, [even] as much as a فَتِيل." فَتِيل refers specifically to the thread like fiber or hair found inside the long slit of a date seed.
• "And whoever does righteous deeds, whether male or female, while being a believer—those will enter Paradise and will not be wronged, [even as much as] a نَقِير ." نَقِير refers to the tiny speck, puncture mark, or microscopic indentation on the back of a date seed.

And here is the funny thing. String theory is not even a proven fact either 😂

6. The Speed of Light, approximately 12000 Lunar orbits per Earth day (32:5)

If you use real, undisputed astronomical data, the numbers do not match the speed of light at all:

• Average Distance from Earth to Moon: approx 384,400
• Circumference of one Lunar Orbit: approx 2,415,256
• Distance traveled in 12,000 orbits:12,000 x 2,415,256 = 28,983,072,000
• Divided by seconds in a day (86,400): approx 335,452

The real math gives an answer that is over 35,000 km/s too fast. An error margin of over 11%. Fails at the first verification.

And here is the thing, the theory self destructs itself because in another verse "The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years" a whole another time scale is mentioned, if you want to take it as such. So which is it? The verse never said it is the time scale about the speed of light. Go read

7. Age of the Earth (41:9)

The entire mathematical premise relies on the universe taking exactly 6 days to build, with the Earth taking exactly 2. But if you read the actual sequence laid out 41:9-12, the timeline adds up to 8 days, not 6.

8. Age of the Universe (10:3 + 41:9)

To get the number anywhere near billions of years, proponents have to stack the "1 day = 1,000 years" rule on top of itself recursively like a Russian nesting doll.

If you take the text literally:

6 Days x 1,000= 6,000

6,000 years is nowhere near the actual age of the universe 13.8 billion years. To bridge this massive gap, apologist of this claim invent a concept found nowhere in the text: they claim a "divine year" consists of 365 "divine days," and each of those days is 1,000 years. And again, as mentioned before,"1 day = 1,000 years" metric isn't even a fixed constant in the text.

9. Age of Sun (41:12)

The most glaring scientific flaw in this claim is that it assumes the stars and the "heavens" were created after the Earth was already fully formed and stocked with food. The age part falls apart with the same debunking I used before. But I dont want to talk about it here. Quran says Sun comes after Earth. That is factually wrong and not even worth trying to make a calculation on 😂

10. Age of Moon (41:12)

Look at the debunking used above. Same applies here. The arguments for above holds exactly on this one.

11. Age of Solar System Planets (41:12)

The claim treats the planets as a singular, homogenous package that was dropped into existence all at once. I got bad news for you. That is not how the planets came into existence.

• The Gas Giants (Jupiter and Saturn): Formed incredibly fast within the first 1 to 5 million years of the solar system's life
• The Rocky Planets (Earth, Mars, Venus, Mercury): Took much longer

Applying a single, rigid mathematical fraction to the birth of the planets completely ignores the this fact.

12. Creation of Earth from Solar Nebula (41:11)

In planetary science, the solar nebula must come first. The gas and dust cloud collapses, forming the Sun and the planets out of that very same smoke.

However, Surah Fussilat orders the timeline completely backward:

• Step 1 (Verse 9): God creates the solid Earth in 2 days.
• Step 2 (Verse 10): God places physical mountains on the Earth and designs its food/sustenance over 4 days.
• Step 3 (Verse 11): "Then* He directed Himself to the heaven while it was *smoke..."

Go fix the Quran*, my dear believer. Or* fix the way you think*. Something needs* fixing

13. Creation of Sun from Solar Nebula (41:11)

The above debunk applies to this. Imagine coming up with the same dumb thing twice without even checking.

14. Creation Of Solar System Planets from Solar Nebula (41:11)

Oh wait, came up with the dumb thing three times 😂

15. Solar system created by a shockwave/vibration (41:11)

Seriously I need to address this dumb verse again? In astrophysics, the "shockwave theory" (specifically, the trigger mechanism for our solar system) states that a nearby massive star went supernova. The resulting high energy shockwave traveled through interstellar space, compressing a cold cloud of hydrogen gas and dust (the solar nebula) and causing it to collapse under its own gravity to form the Sun and the planets.

If we try to force this physics model onto the text of Surah 41, the narrative completely implodes chronologically:

• The Text's Sequence: The solid Earth is created (verse 9), its mountains and biological sustenance are fully laid out (verse 10), and then God turns to the heaven while it is smoke and issues this command (verse 11).
• The Scientific Reality: A supernova shockwave happens at the absolute beginning of the process, billions of years before a solid planet exists. You cannot use a shockwave to collapse a nebula to build the Earth if the Earth, its mountains, and its food are already fully constructed and sitting there waiting for the command. Get it?

16. Round shape of the Earth (39:5)

The verse explicitly says that the night is wrapped over the day, and the day over the night. It describes the action of alternation and overlapping of light and darkness. It does not describe the shape of the Earth itself.

If a text says, "I wrapped a bandage around my arm," the verb "wrapped" describes the motion of the cloth, not the geometry of the arm. There are multiple verses where the flat earth is described anyway. I wrote about it here too, you can read the thread

17. The Oblateness of the Earth (79:30)

In classical Arabic, the root verb D-Ḥ-W دحو or D-Ḥ-Y دحي means the exact opposite of making something round or egg-shaped. It means to spread out or flatten or expand or extend. The word كُرَة exist in Arabic. It means sphere. A simple word Allah can use to describe the earth. Instead all the words used for flat is everywhere in the quran.

18. The Orbit of the Earth (21:33)

I like what my friend wrote here:

"The Quran talks about the orbits of the Sun and the Moon in the context that both of them orbit the Earth. If you look at the verse they put (21:33), it mentions the day and night and the Sun and the Moon and each of them has an orbit. That association makes you wonder a bit, why put those 4 in the same context when the Sun's orbit doesnt contribute to the day and night cycle? Because he thought the Sun was orbiting the Earth for the day and the Moon for the night."

I mean, the OP of that comment is good in debunking scientific miracles in the Quran too. I suggest you go through his profile

19. Rotation of the Earth (27:88)

To pull off this "miracle," you must rip verse 88 completely out of the sentence that surrounds it. The verses immediately before and after describe the end of the world and the resurrection:

• Verse 87 (Just before): "And [warn of] the Day the Horn will be blown, and whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth will be terrified except whom Allah wills..."
• Verse 88 (The Verse): "And you see the mountains, thinking them rigid, while they will pass as the passing of the clouds..."
• Verse 89 (Just after): "Whoever comes [at God's judgment] with a good deed will have better than it, and they, from the terror of that Day, will be safe."

The "passing of the mountains" is listed as a direct consequence of the Horn being blown on the Day of Judgment. The text is describing a future event of destruction, not a daily astronomical reality. Mental gymnastics always fails you know, and makes you look blind. Because you aren't reading the text itself.

20. Rotation of Earth slowing down (7:54)

The biggest logical and linguistic flaw in this claim is that the text says the day/night cycle is chasing rapidly always, lol.

• The text says: The day chases the night hathīthan.
• The apologetic claim requires: The text to say that the day used to chase the night rapidly, but is now slowing down.

There is absolutely nothing in the grammar or wording of the verse that indicates a past tense comparison or a change in speed or a transition, or a decay in rate. At this point I am convinced you do not read the text but just look for any dumb excuses to include from the internet 😂

21. Axial tilt of the Earth (22:18)

The claim relies on the word "prostrate" (yasjudu) to imply a tilting mechanism specifically for the planet Earth. However, if you read the actual text, the action of is applied to everything simultaneously:

• The Sun
• The Moon
• The stars
• The mountains
• The trees
• Animals and People

If "prostrating" means "having an axial tilt between22.1 and 24.5, then this math must apply to the other celestial bodies listed in the same sentence. But the physics completely contradicts this:

• The Moon has an axial tilt of only 1.5
• The Sun has an axial tilt of 7.25.
• The Stars vary wildly across the universe.

And let's not forget chapter and verse numbers are not part of the original text. When the Quran was written down in the 7th century, it did not contain chapter numbers or verse markers.

22. The Moon is reflected light (10:5, 91:2)

91:2 has nothing to do with reflected light. It talks about following. So that can be thrown out straight.

The word translated to "reflected light" is Noor نور and guess what Allah calls himself in 24:35: "the noor of the heaven and the earth". Is Allah a reflected light? Is he reflecting the light of Ra? Can you imagine if these liars bothered to read their own Quran? This shit would be obvious.

I'll give them a pass on "radiant" and just chalk it up to trying to come up with a good translation. The word used here is Siraj which means a lamp, and those ancient lamps were basically some oil and a flame on top. So the sun is like a burning lamp, which is exactly what people in ancient times saw it.

Basically the Quran is saying "There are two lights in the sky: One light is hot and burning, the other light is just light without heat", but of course Muslims need to pretend that this is some amazingly deep shit.

Also, this was known by the ancients, so not a miracle:

A Refutation of All Heresies_, 1, epitome, 3 - Hippolytus, late second century CE:

The sun, the moon, and all the heavenly bodies are red-hot stones which have been snatched up by the rotation of the aether. Below the heavenly bodies there exist certain bodies which revolve along with the sun and the moon and are invisible….The moon is below the sun, closer to us. The sun is larger than the Peloponnesus. The moon does not shine with its own light, but receives its light from the sun…. Eclipses of the moon occur when the earth cuts off the light, and sometimes when the bodies below the moon cut off the light. Eclipses of the sun take place at new moon, when the moon cuts off the light…. Anaxagoras was the first to describe the circumstances under which eclipses occur and the way light is reflected by the moon. He said that the moon is made of earth and has plains and gullies on it. The Milky Way is the light of those stars which are not lit up by the sun.

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I must say you spent a long time compiling a list full of nonsense, and here we are debunking it so easily. Now, have you wondered if you spent the time not to maintain your filters and actually think what was written on it, you wouldn't have made the embarrassment of taking so much time to make a list that is shot down so easily? Proving that you wasted time not gaining knowledge but going deep inside your delusion? I like to call it Deluslam. A special kind of delusion you have because of Islam 😂. Anyway, next time I will post more of the ridiculous list that was made. For now, all I can tell the believer who sent me the list is:

“Read, and your Lord is the ultimate illusion,

Who taught by the imagination of the pen,

Taught man that which makes him confused.”

Apostate’s Quran (96:3-5)

The Apostate has spoken.

Apostate Scholar (u/polygraphtest-chill) who holds degree in Usul al Sharia and Ulūm al Tafsir will go LIVE on YouTube on 25th June at 20:00 GMT. Everyone is welcome to join and ask anything. You can also leave questions on this post if you are not able to attend at that time.