Population of ahmadis In Pakistan?

Pakistan’s official 2023 census counts 162,684 Ahmadis, but independent organizations and community leaders estimate that the actual population is somewhere between 400,000 and 4 million.

So, what is the actual Ahmadi population? The official figure is obviously likely to be an undercount, especially since many Ahmadis reportedly boycott the census or may not disclose their religious identity.

What do you think the true population is?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 14 days ago

MGM, FGM AND IGM in Ahmadiyya?

Hello everyone,

My question today is about whether male circumcision (male genital modification/mutilation), female circumcision (female genital mutilation), and intersex genital mutilation are permitted in Ahmadiyya Islam.

After doing some research, I found that the four major Sunni schools of jurisprudence permit male and female circumcision, while their positions on female circumcision differ, with the Shafi'i school considering it wajib. But all four say it's allowed

I also came across Hadith that mention circumcision and female circumcision.

How does Ahmadiyya Islam interpret these Hadith? What has been the historical position of the Ahmadiyya community on male circumcision, female circumcision, and intersex genital modification? Has this position changed over time, and what is the current official position of the Ahmadiyya community?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 18 days ago

Subjects for Non-muslims?

Might be a dumb question ik

But what alternative subjects do Non-muslims have to take instead of the islamic ones

And are they compulsory?

On their website they don't have an alternative for

Some like tawjeed

So does that mean you don't have to study anything instead of that or what

Also is there any discrimination against non-muslim in the uni ?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago
▲ 153 r/exmuslim

Are all Muslim related sub-reddits like this??

A while ago, I posted a question about female prophets in r/Islam, and it was instantly removed—like, within five seconds.

I assumed it was just a Reddit glitch. Then, a few days ago, I posted the same question again. This time, it wasn’t removed instantly. It got one downvote, and then the moderators removed it.

At that point, I thought maybe this was just an issue with that particular subreddit.

But today, I posted the question in r/Muslimlounge , and they didn’t remove my posts. Instead, they downvoted literally every comment I made into oblivion—including comments where I was simply asking things like, “Did X scholar only say this, or what?”

People accused me of being a troll, brought up the fact that I have posts in ex-Muslim subreddits, and told me that if I actually wanted to learn about Islam, I should ask a scholar rather than ex-Muslims, whom they described as “Zionists and Hindutva” or something along those lines.

There were also plenty of misogynistic arguments, comments like “Well, God said so,” insults, and people insisting that female prophets aren’t an issue because the Quran honored women and that I probably "hadn’t even read the Quran."

ONLY ONE person there actually gave a sane response and called some of this behavior out—and they got downvoted too.

Are all Islamic subreddits like this?

So far, the only ones where I haven’t had my posts deleted or been met with constant downvotes instead of actual arguments are this subreddit and r/islam_ahmadiyya.

And ironically, both of these are considered kafir by many Muslims.

I genuinely want to understand: is this just how Islamic Reddit communities tend to be, or have I simply had unusually bad experiences with these particular subreddits?

When I ask my Muslim friends they say to ask in islamic places where people are knowledgeable but when I post there

They just ruin my mental health.

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

I just realized that no Ai Lord uses the Arab lady skin-

Just a random 2 a.m. thought lol. I honestly expected a historical AI that uses figures like Sultana Shajar al-Durr or Queen Arwa of Yemen.

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

To the Ex-muslims of this sub-reddit.

Do you guys consider Ahmadiyya Islam more peaceful or tolerant than mainstream Islam? What about less cultish?

I’m not an Ahmadi, obviously, so I can never know the true experience. However, based on what people have discussed here, I feel like it’s more peaceful than mainstream Islam (and it was spread peacefully as compared to main stream one)

, but also way more restricted and cultish.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Sunnis no longer have a caliph?

What do you guys think?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

Female Prophets in Ahmadiyya ?

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I've asked this question in other subreddits, but I wanted to ask it here too to know what does Ahmadiya (or ahmadis) think about this

Judaism and Christianity both have prophetesses, but the Quran never explicitly mentions any woman as a prophet. I have heard arguments that women wouldn't have been listened to, even though people didn't listen to male prophets either. Arabia also had a tradition of influential kahinahs (female soothsayers), and people accepted Sajah, the false prophetess, who even raised an army. There was also the Arabian warrior queen known as Queen Mavia, as well as women like Joan of Arc.

Another argument I've heard is that prophets had to give military commands. However, that doesn't seem to be true, because not all prophets were military leaders. History has also shown that women have been leaders, commanders, and warriors.

Even if that wasn't the case

God could surely make a few exceptions

So I don't really see how either argument is valid. What are your thoughts?

What is the "official" explanation according to Ahmadis?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago
▲ 296 r/exmuslim

Wth is wrong with Islam subreddit

It hasn't even been 5 minutes

And they removed my post???

Why even make a subreddit about Islam if you are gonna remove genuine questions and criticisms

u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

Y'all are way knowledgeable than the average Muslim

Hi guys!

No questions this time

just wanted to appreciate y’all for helping me out so much whenever I’ve asked questions here.

Most of you are more knowledgeable than the average Muslim. I don’t know how those stupid “how many rak‘ahs are in wudu?” memes started when y’all are like this. 😭

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

To the Ex-ahmadis who are ex-muslims now why did you leave?

Hi, recently I made a post on this subreddit and browsed around a bit, and it seems like a lot of the negative things about Ahmadiyya are very similar to Sunni Islam.

So I wanted to ask ex-Muslims who are ex-Ahmadis:

Why did you leave? Were there theological problems that are exclusive to Ahmadiyya, or were they things that apply to Islam as a whole?

Or was it the caliphate?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

Is the Caliph chosen by God? And who elects the caliph?

Hi! For context, I am not an Ahmadi. I am, however, a questioning Sunni Muslim, and I wanted to know:

How does the caliphate work in Ahmadiyya, considering they have no political power? Are they essentially powerless figureheads?

Also, are they chosen by God (similar to the divine right of kings)

Who elects the Khalifa, and are women included ?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

How did classical scholars say Women in leadership role are prohibited when Aisha led the battle of camel (even if she wasn't fighting she still had a role)

What's their excuse or reasoning?

Muhammad's own wife went to war.

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

When did this happen-

Posting this the second time because it got deleted last time

Because it was not Friday

u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

Accurate translation of وَّكَوَاعِبَ اَتْرَابًا?

Quran.com translates وَكَوَاعِبَ أَتْرَابًا as “full-bosomed maidens of equal age.”

However, I’ve heard people claim that it actually means something more like “prominent/beautiful companions of equal age,” and its gender neutral

Because the Quran never says hurs are female

And hur is a gender neutral word.

and that the sexual interpretation was added by later male scholars who “twisted” Islam.

I’ve also heard that if you said this phrase to a modern native Arabic speaker, they wouldn’t understand it as referring to breasts at all.

Is any of this true?

I don’t speak Arabic, so I’d really appreciate input from native Arabic speakers or people knowledgeable in classical Arabic. I’m especially interested in what كَوَاعِبَ (kawāʿib) would actually mean to an Arabic speaker, both literally and in the context of Qur’an 78:33.

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 2 months ago

Wait are male slaves allowed to see the hair of their mistresses (female masters)?

I stumbled across this hadith just now:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4106

Chapter: A Slave Looking at the Hair of His Mistress

Narrated Anas ibn Malik:

The Prophet (ﷺ) brought Fatimah a slave whom he gave to her. Fatimah was wearing a garment which, when she covered her head with it, did not reach her feet, and when she covered her feet with it, it did not reach her head. When the Prophet (ﷺ) saw her struggling, he said: "There is no harm to you. Here are only your father and your slave."

So, could male slaves see the hair of their mistresses?

And was this permission only for the hair, or did it apply to other parts as well? Was a woman's awrah different in front of her male slave?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 3 months ago

Is the Islamic story of Adam and Eve less Misogynistic?

I was talking to my friend, and they compared the Biblical story of Adam and Eve with the Islamic version. They showed her that the Islamic version is less misogynistic because:

- Eve isn't the one who is tempted.

- Eve isn't blamed.

- Both Adam and Eve eat the fruit.

- There is no concept of original or eternal sin.

- There is no punishment of painful childbirth or "man ruling over woman" because of eating the fruit.

- There is no mention of woman being created from Adam's rib; that idea comes from “ Man Made ”

hadiths influenced by Christian and Jewish traditions, according to their argument.

So, what's your opinion on this?

Is it actually less misogynistic/sexist?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 3 months ago

Is Sex with a married female slave allowed?

I am not talking about a married woman who was captured in war, whose previous marriage was annulled. I am talking about a slave woman who, with the permission of her master, married someone.

Can the master still have intercourse with her?

From what I understand, all four Sunni schools say that a master may only have sexual relations with an unmarried slave woman. The only exception is when she was already married at the time of her capture, since that previous marriage is considered dissolved.

However, in Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of Nikah, Chapter 25 (on Sunnah.com), it says:

"And Anas said regarding: 'And [also forbidden are] married women...' That is, free women who have husbands are forbidden, except those whom your right hands possess (female captives/slaves). He saw no objection to a man taking back his slave-girl from his own male slave."

On Sunnah.com this passage is only in Arabic, but when translated using Google Translate or ChatGPT, it reads like the translation above.

Doesn't this seem to contradict the ruling of the four Sunni schools?

Also, is Anas saying that this applies to any married slave woman, or only to your own female slave who is married to your own male slave?

Finally, when he says that a man may "take back his slave-girl from his own male slave," does he mean that the master may end the marriage and reclaim her, or does he mean that the master may continue to have sexual relations with her while she remains married?

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u/Vegetable-Tear-4506 — 3 months ago