Some Hulk scaling, because he's pretty strong

Some Hulk scaling, because he's pretty strong

Hulk shakes the Crossroads of Infinity which is stated to have limitless dimensions, referring to higher geometric dimensions within dimensionality in the given context.
FF Vol.1 #51, FF Vol.2 #14 and Incredible Hulk #305 (1968)

Hulk also oneshotted a manifestation of the One Below All. And while this was a feat performed by Devil Hulk, Devil Hulk admits that Savage Hulk is stronger than he is.
Immortal Hulk #13 (2018) and Immortal Hulk #31 (2018)

Hulk is able to keep up with a version of Thor amped by Hulk’s powers, even showing that he is relative in strength to him. 
Thor #26 (2020) and Banner of War Alpha (2022)

This version of Thor could destroy the Bifrost and the Yggdrasil , threatening essentially what would be all of reality.
Thor #26 (2020) and Hulk #8 (2021)

The Yggdrasil stretches across all of creation  and exists on every of the infinite planes existence at once, reaching the Below-Place and the Crown of Creation (Which refers to the House of Ideas). 
Immortal Thor #2 (2023) and others.

And to prove that Thor does indeed consistently scale to the Yggdrasil, he was able to defeat M.Y.T.H.O.S who wielded the full power of the Yggdrasil
Thor Vol. 6 Annual (2023)

Thor even shattered the roots of the Yggdrasil, while he was on a rampage
Thor: Man of War #1 (2009)

And Thor also created storms that shook the Yggdrasil, through simply crying while as a baby.
Avengers 1,000,000 B.C #1 (2022)

Asgard exists beyond the mortal concepts of time and space.
Marvel Comics #1000 and Thor Vol.1 #387

Hulk could also hit Gwenpool hard enough to the point where it sends her flying into Gutter Space, even destroying a small part of the comic panel in the process. And you could also argue that Hulk also has meta-fictional interaction through this feat as well.
Gwenpool Strikes Back #4 (2019)

Gutter Space views places such as Hell and the Dark Dimension as comic panels with the Dark Dimension being pan-dimensional  which means to pertain to all dimensions of reality to which there are infinite dimensions. And Hell in Marvel has infinite levels of transcendence  and is pan-dimensional. Meaning, Gutter Space is just 1-A.
Unbelievable Gwenpool Vol.1 #25

And more infamously, Hulk could break the chains of the First Firmament. The First Firmament required the help of all the future cosmoses/multiverses to stop them, with the First Firmament being capable of chaining down Eternity
Incredible Hulk #18 (2023), Ultimates 2  #100 and Ultimates 2 #1.

And Eternity is literally the embodiment of the omniverse and every iteration of the universe/multiverse, with the Neutral Zone being part of Eternity’s body that transcends all levels of reality and dreams, to which there is an ocean of dreams that contains dreams within dreams that transcend each other, seeing the next dream as an illusion infinitely. 
Ultimates Vol.3 #6, Defenders Vol.3 #3, Strange Tales Vol.4 #2, Peter Parker: Spider-Man Annual and more.

Even the Superflow is part of Eternity’s consciousness which is only considered a flicker of a thought, compared to his measureless consciousness.
Defenders Vol.3 #2 and Defenders 2 #100

Hulk has also shown himself to be superior to Hercules with Hercules being able to hold open the door to the House of Ideas which is equivalent to the force of everything in creation.
Avengers #686 and Avengers: No Road Home #9

And Hulk was also able to break open the Green Door that could only be opened by the One Below All. Yes, I know this is the Eldest possessing Hulk, but this still counts as a Hulk feat, considering how the Eldest needed Hulk's strength to open the Green Door.
Incredible Hulk #30 (2023)

The One Above All and The One Below All are opposites to each other. The One Above All resides at the House of Ideas, whilst The One Below All dwells in the Below-Place. The Below-Place and is the absence of god which refers to the One Above All. 
Immortal Hulk #11 (2018)

And it is explained that the Below-Place is basically just the shadow or Qlipphoth of the House of Ideas, with the Below-Place existing below everything which mirrors how the House of Ideas exists above everything. So anything that can be applied to the House of Ideas would also apply to the Below-Place.
Immortal Hulk #11 (2018), Immortal Hulk #3 (2018) and Defenders: Beyond #5

Edit: I forgot to add this in, but Hulk's spirit is said to be the same as the One Below All's, with the Fractured Son essentially just being the flesh of the One Below All's powers. So Hulk would at least consistently scale to the One Below All. Incredible Hulk #1 (2023) and Incredible Hulk #15 (2023)

And during the time that Thor had Hulk's powers, he had said that the same power had come from the Below-Place. Thor #27 (2020)

Basically just high outer.

Now for speed. To start with travelling speed, Hulk was able to jump into space which would be a high hypersonic feat. Unfortunately, Hulk’s travelling speed is nowhere near as good as his combat speed, since Hulk isn’t exactly a speedster.

Hulk has dodged light fired from Vision and was also able to react faster than X-rays being fired, with x-rays being a form of electromagnetic waves that move at the speed of light. So at the bare minimum, Hulk would have FTL reaction speed.
Avengers #685

Hulk has caught Mjolnir being thrown at him and Hulk has also dodged Mjolnir. Mjolnir has immeasurable speed and can travel through time with sheer speed alone. And Mjolnir has travelled the distance between Asgard and Earth instantly. And as we know already, Asgard exists beyond the mortal concepts of time and space. So Mjolnir has immeasurable speed and Hulk has reacted faster than Mjolnir on multiple occasions, thus giving him immeasurable speed, in terms of combat speed.

And because I’m already tired and this post is probably already long enough, I’m just going to copy and paste all of Hulk’s abilities and resistances. You should read this, if you want scans: Gamma Physiology and Hulk abilities+resistances shenanigans - Google Docs

Resistances: Disease immunity, fire manipulation, ice manipulation, electricity manipulation, magic, poisons, soul manipulation, law manipulation, space-time manipulation, death manipulation, vector manipulation, durability negation, telepathy, power absorption, absorption, power nullification, acid, BFR, illusion creation, regeneration negation, gravity manipulation, matter manipulation and most likely even more.

Haxes and Abilities: Super strength, power amplification (Via rage power), limited sound manipulation (Via Thunderclap), shockwave creation (Via Thunderclap), information manipulation, size manipulation, transformation, regeneration (High-godly), absorption, immortality (Type 2, 3, 8 and 9), extrasensory senses, non-physical interaction, soul manipulation, air manipulation, conceptual manipulation, power nullification, reactive evolution, energy manipulation, radiation manipulation, indomitable will, law manipulation, limited space-time manipulation, limited BFR, magic, meta-fictional interaction and most likely even more.

u/VelViolette — 7 days ago
▲ 3 r/DCPowerScaling+1 crossposts

Demigra (SDBH) VS Darkseid (DC)

Round 1: Demon God Demigra vs Base form Darkseid (Infinite Frontier)

Round 2: Transcended Demigra vs True Form Darkseid

Round 3: Dark King Demigra vs King Omega Darkseid

u/VelViolette — 1 month ago

Why I don't really agree with 1-A Sugoroku Space...

Alright, I'll admit; this post is secretly a GT Goku vs DBS Goku post. Basically, I got into a debate with this dude that believes that GT Goku could beat DBS Goku, but when I asked them to provide their reasoning, their entire argument revolved around GT Goku destroying the Sugoroku Space and that was it. They believe that the Sugoroku Space was somehow a 1-A realm and that since GT Goku scales to the Sugoroku Space, GT Goku should scale above DBS Goku by extension. And that's basically the context behind why I made this post. However, I do believe that there's quite a few problems with the Sugoroku Space being a 1-A realm.

To start off, in the description for the Sugoroku Space, they literally say that it's located in-between dimensions. Why is this a problem? Well, it's because the entire point of 1-A realms is that they're supposed to be unbound by the concept of dimensionality. If a realm is part of dimensional hierarchy, it's automatically disqualified from being 1-A, since 1-A realms aren't supposed to be bound by dimensionality.

And it is very clear that the Sugoroku Space is supposed to be located in-between dimensions; they make this clear multiple times. Such as here, here and here. They make it VERY clear that it's not located above dimensions, but rather in-between dimensions.

Another thing that supports my argument that the Sugoroku Space isn't 1-A is because it's also stated to be located in-between time and space. Yet again, this is a problem because 1-A realms are not located in places that have time or space. As we already know, being located in-between time and space is not the same thing as being above time and space. Nothing about being located in-between time and space really supports it being above the concepts of time and space. Meaning, it's still part of a dimensional hierarchy where time and space still exist, further proving that the Sugoroku Space isn't 1-A.

And they also make this clear such as here and here.

Another thing that goes against the Sugoroku Space being 1-A is that it's stated to be an inter-dimensional realm. Inter-dimensional implies it's part of a dimensional hierarchy which would once again go against the definition of 1-A and further disprove the 1-A rating for the Sugoroku Space.

Hell, they even call the Sugoroku Space a different dimension of space, implying that the Sugoroku is just a separate spacetime continuum, which would once again go against the defintion of 1-A since 1-A realms aren't bound by space or time.

They state it here, here and here.

The Suguroku Space is also said to be reachable by just warping time and space. The problem with this is that 1-A realms are supposed to be unreachable. If it can be reached by just warping time and space, it can't be 1-A, since:

  1. This implies that the Sugoroku Space is still within the reaches of the concepts of both time and space

  2. It is reachable to a dimensional hierarchy

"B-b-but it's stated to not have any concept of time or space!"

Well, not having the concepts of time or space is not the same thing as transcending the concepts of time and space. If anything, that just proves it's 0D without further context. Once again, they make it very clear that it's located in-between dimensions, such as here, here and here. When they say that it has no concept of time or space, they're just saying that it's located in a place in-between time and space, where the concepts of time and space don't mean much. You're not really supposed to take it literally since it's just a language technique used by the writers. And when they say that it doesn't belong to any world, they're just saying that it's a dimension unlike anything else in the context of U7's macrocosmic structure in a geological sense. The Sugoroku Space can only be reached by warping space and time, but every other world in U7's macrocosm can be reached by simply traveling to it; that's what they mean when they say that it doesn't belong to any world, as in it's a separate spacetime continuum.

Another thing I want to up is the nature of how timelines work. As stated by Trunks, a new timeline is created over the smallest of actions. And for each timeline, there should be a time ring, which essentially means that each timeline is still bound by a time rings which still works under the concept of time. Meaning, everything within a single timeline is still bound by the concept of time, including the Sugoroku Space. If a realm is still bound by the concept of time, it is automatically disqualified from being 1-A, since 1-A realms aren't bound by the concept of time. The Suguroku Space exists within a timeline which is bound by time; thus, the Suguroku Space is bound by the concept of time.

Not only that, Goku most likely doesn't even scale to the Sugoroku Space since he could only destroy it while it was in the middle of collapsing. And they even say that GT Goku's power was strong enough to only destroy an entire galaxy. So... Galaxy level feat, I guess.

u/VelViolette — 1 month ago

This world just isn't for someone like me

I failed when I swore that I wouldn't, I couldn't be the child my parents wanted me to be, I self-harm in secret when I said that I quit, I can't keep up in class, I can't focus on studying, I've lied to others just because I didn't want to admit that I was wrong, I'm a hypocrite, I rot in bed all day when I told myself that I would be more productive, I'm talentless, I'm worthless, I feel gross and disgusted whenever I touch myself, I always look like shit, I'm incompetent in school, I'm a waste of space, I'm human garbage, I suck at everything that I do, I can barely look someone else in the eye, I have no hopes or dreams, I'm disgusting, I'm a terrible person, I suck at social interactions, I always get things wrong, I struggle opening up to others, I don't have a place in the world, I always feel lost, I fantasize about ending my own life, I'm the most incompetent among all of my siblings and it always feels like the world is against me.

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u/VelViolette — 1 month ago

Would you say that Superman is the strongest extraterrestrial character? If not, who do you think is?

Specifically, it has be a character from a race of people from an advanced civilization that originates from outer space.

u/VelViolette — 2 months ago

Sometimes I can’t stand being around my own family

Just talking or listening to them to them makes me feel like I’m losing brain cells. I don’t even see the point in even opening up about my problems to them, since these idiots clearly don’t know what they’re talking about half the time. They act like apes half the time and it’s obvious that they don’t understand shit about what it’s like to have mental problems. “uUmM, bUt YoU aCt LiKe ThIs SoMeTiMeS aNd YoU sAy ThIs…”. My god, it doesn’t take half of a fucking brain to understand that’s not how autism or how social anxiety works. It always feels like my mind is always working against myself and I hate it, but these idiots are too retarded to understand or comprehend that. And it’s not like the damn psychologist helps either, since they clearly don’t know shit either. I don’t know anymore, I just want to lock myself in my room and starve myself to death.

Family is too stupid and professional help is bullshit.

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u/VelViolette — 2 months ago

Lately, I’ve been having more self-doubt. I’ve just been letting things happen to me because I kind of feel like I just gave up. I feel like an idiot and I’ve never felt more wrong, never felt like I was more of a failure. I just don’t know if I can believe in myself anymore, I just don’t know anymore. Sometimes I ask myself: “am I really in the right place?”, yet it feels like I always know that the answer is going to be yes. I don’t belong anywhere and it feels like all my beliefs are stupid. I just don’t know why nothing feels right anymore and I always feel like I’m destined for failure. Even stuff like studying feels like climbing up a mountain, because I just can’t focus anymore. I try to focus in class, but I feel so worn out. I really don’t know and I feel so clueless.

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u/VelViolette — 2 months ago