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Is Kaido serious about Yamato? Yes. Oda reinforced this four times, when Kaido said he couldn't remember the last time he was this excited and that he wouldn't go easy on Yamato. Right after saying that he was trying to kill her (*this doesn't imply that he was actually going to do it, but it's Oda reinforcing once again that Yamato is that strong and Kaido is serious*) Kaido only uses his hybrid form in serious fights. 4x Oda is saying that Kaido was really serious. No one can refute him.

Just a reminder. This lasted 6 chapters. 2 were on screen and the rest were in flashback. Logically, it lasts less time, since it has many extra things from the flashback that Brook didn't tell and only summarized. While Yamato actually lasted 10 chapters as the surrounding characters waged war. She was NOT defeated, unlike Loki, and Yamato continued to provide support until the end of Wano. And her casual ice had greater durability than Big Mom's.

With a weaker ice shield, since Akuma no Mi derives from vigor.

Yamato was injured and tired, with weaker Haki. Three different things.

She also wasn't using a Devil Fruit, which logically grants you increased upper body strength.

Then her ice would become stronger as well.

Pretty much.

Imu was offering Loki power mid-fight, dodging him when he was mid-swing with attacks, out-maneuvering him mid-clash and trying to recruit him during the early stages of the fight. He won every interaction they had, and the one hit he took was because his opponent had it handed to them due to his own daydreaming.

Clashing projectiles doesn’t mean extra effort, especially when Loki even lost those interactions(he was the only to take a hit, to the wing), or went even at best. Something others have been shown to do before. And as soon as Imu wanted the fight ended, it ended immediately and all his focus settled on Luffy. Can’t even say he was huffing/puffing because of Loki, when we saw him coughing up blood before he even showed up and it was noted multiple times he was in that state due to how nerfed he is on the surface. It was low-diff.

Kaido wasn't suffering from internal bleeding. When he was injured, it wasn't because he was nerfed; it was actually Yamato's doing.

In the first image, Yamato matched Kaido's thunder bagua in speed, while Imu waited for Loki's attack to be completed before clashing.

The second image is self-explanatory, Yamato matching Kaido AGAIN, While Loki the dragon looks like a rat with wings receiving shots from Imu.

In the third image, Imu reacts before Loki can complete the attack, FORMS HER OWN ATTACK, and then clashes with Loki, THIS IS ALREADY OUTPACED. And then Imu again outpaced, exiting the clash and then impaling Loki.

THE FIGHT WOULD HAVE ENDED HERE, IF IMU WAS REALLY TRYING.

So, "Loki equaled, competed, or whatever against Imu," is simply a lie.

Imu then literally offers her power to Loki and spares him; Kaido didn't have to spare Yamato for her to continue fighting For a long time.

The only time something SIMILAR happened was with both in their base form.

Even so, Yamato could still compete against the hybrid form, since it matched Luffy in speed and ap.

In addition to being able to imbue his Kanabo with ice and revert to hybrid form.

She could still hold out a little longer.

So it doesn't even qualify as "saving directly".

Notice how Imu spared Loki in speed, as I've already shown, but Kaido blitzed Yamato in the third image, while Yamato casually reacted to this surprise, quickly locating Kaido.

The last image is self-explanatory. She matched Luffy's speed, while Luffy surpassed the speed of Loki's attack before it even happened.

Just a reminder. This lasted 6 chapters. 2 were on screen and the rest were in flashback. Logically, it lasts less time, since it has many extra things from the flashback that Brook didn't tell and only summarized. While Yamato actually lasted 10 chapters as the surrounding characters waged war. She was NOT defeated, unlike Loki, and Yamato continued to provide support until the end of Wano. And her casual ice had greater durability than Big Mom's.

With a weaker ice shield, since Akuma no Mi derives from vigor.

Yamato was injured and tired, with weaker Haki. Three different things.

She also wasn't using a Devil Fruit, which logically grants you increased upper body strength.

Then her ice would become stronger as well.

Pretty much.

Imu was offering Loki power mid-fight, dodging him when he was mid-swing with attacks, out-maneuvering him mid-clash and trying to recruit him during the early stages of the fight. He won every interaction they had, and the one hit he took was because his opponent had it handed to them due to his own daydreaming.

Clashing projectiles doesn’t mean extra effort, especially when Loki even lost those interactions(he was the only to take a hit, to the wing), or went even at best. Something others have been shown to do before. And as soon as Imu wanted the fight ended, it ended immediately and all his focus settled on Luffy. Can’t even say he was huffing/puffing because of Loki, when we saw him coughing up blood before he even showed up and it was noted multiple times he was in that state due to how nerfed he is on the surface. It was low-diff.

Kaido wasn't suffering from internal bleeding. When he was injured, it wasn't because he was nerfed; it was actually Yamato's doing.

In the first image, Yamato matched Kaido's thunder bagua in speed, while Imu waited for Loki's attack to be completed before clashing.

The second image is self-explanatory, Yamato matching Kaido AGAIN, While Loki the dragon looks like a rat with wings receiving shots from Imu.

In the third image, Imu reacts before Loki can complete the attack, FORMS HER OWN ATTACK, and then clashes with Loki, THIS IS ALREADY OUTPACED. And then Imu again outpaced, exiting the clash and then impaling Loki.

THE FIGHT WOULD HAVE ENDED HERE, IF IMU WAS REALLY TRYING.

So, "Loki equaled, competed, or whatever against Imu," is simply a lie.

Imu then literally offers her power to Loki and spares him; Kaido didn't have to spare Yamato for her to continue fighting For a long time.

The only time something SIMILAR happened was with both in their base form.

Even so, Yamato could still compete against the hybrid form, since it matched Luffy in speed and ap.

In addition to being able to imbue his Kanabo with ice and revert to hybrid form.

She could still hold out a little longer.

So it doesn't even qualify as "saving directly".

Notice how Imu spared Loki in speed, as I've already shown, but Kaido blitzed Yamato in the third image, while Yamato casually reacted to this surprise, quickly locating Kaido.

The last image is self-explanatory. She matched Luffy's speed, while Luffy surpassed the speed of Loki's attack before it even happened.

1-Kaido and Big Mom are self-explanatory,

-luffy He possessed the same power as Katakuri when he confronted Big Mom.

2-Kaido delivered a one-shot and speed blitz to a Luffy stronger than Katakuri, and yes, as proven below by the quote from Ashura Douji, Luffy used future vision and still took a one-shot and speed blitz Perception.

3-Yamato giving a one-shot in Ulti is interesting because of the Ulti vs. Luffy storyline after the Udon prison.

Luffy had previously taken a one-shot and a speed blitz from Kaido.

So the base Luffy who fought against Ultimate was already stronger than Gear 4 and Katakuri.

Since Luffy was able to fight Kaido, something that Gear 4 couldn't do.

And something that not even the sheaths could achieve, nor the sulongs.

Remember that Ashura Douji, which was inferior to Sulongs, randomized Jack.

Understand, this is NOT a discussion about whether or not base Luffy would stop using ultimate; it came from Luffy himself that he needed Gear 4.

So there's no discussion here. If Luffy's base form was superior to his ulti, So, either the Second or Third would suffice. And as I already said with Kaido's path, if the ultimate was inferior to Katakuri's, then she would be blitzed by perception or outpaced against Luffy.

Luffy would be able to react to that headbutt BEFORE it even started.

But that doesn't happen.

In terms of strength, we saw that Luffy was right. He couldn't break free from the power of the ultimate attack, even though he wasn't trying hard, and the AP from the headbutt was truly dangerous.

This also implies that even with advanced Haki, he wouldn't be able to blitz or one-shot her in her base, second, or third form.

That's absurd. The Gears' multipliers are huge, and even if we reduce them to 2x2, it's still absurd.

Well above the base form.

Ignoring the multipliers makes no sense when they were what allowed the defeat of Moria, Doflamingo, and Kaido, making those victories possible.

And again. You can even use the minimum multipliers if you find the higher ones unrealistic. It's still absurd.

Luffy didn't want to get tired... Using Gear 4 so carelessly would leave him just as exhausted.

If he used the Second and Third spells, then he wouldn't even expend energy if Ulti were too weak.

-Ulti is very durable.

He could very well take her out of the fight like WB vs Akainu or Big Mom vs Law and Kid

But I have a good way to confirm that Luffy was right in saying that Gear Third wouldn't be enough; Yamato casually blocked Luffy's Gear Third.

While Ulti rivaled THAT MOMENT Yamato.

If Ulti were so much weaker than Luffy, then Ulti would have been randomly selected much faster. Which didn't happen, consistent with her being superior to those Gears.

Luffy decided to use the Elephant Gun immediately against Yamato and Kaido, but not against Ultimate; against Ultimate, he decided to use Gear 4 right away. The reason is obvious, because Luffy verbalized it. He needed Gear 4.

-Ulti is also superior to Whos Whos, since Yamato one-shotted and speed-blitzed Whos Whos without using Haki, while needing Haki against Ulti.

Besides, ulti base managed to rival that Yamato that whos whos couldn't.

This is the conclusion of Yamato's Busoshoku.

(\*The goal of this post is not necessarily or essentially to prove that Roger's Busoshoku alone would defeat or is far superior to the admirals.\*)

1-Oden, 29 years old - Draw with whitebeard after Whitebeard sank in Wano.

Oden, 33 years old - Sailed with Whitebeard and his crew for 4 years.

During that same period, 4 years after the tie with Whitebeard, Edward Newgate was only shown using Busoshoku (\*blackened armament\*).

He made wb prime sweat cold.

2-While the sick wb, lacking haoshoku and with weakened basic haki, was only at the admiral level.

(\*since Akainu literally ripped off half of his head, and could simply melt him down literally, In terms of striking and infliction capacity, Whitebeard's power only reaches Admiral level, and even then, Akainu and Kizaru would have ended his life at Marineford in a fair fight.\*)

Even so, in a surprise attack, WB delivered a fatal blow to Akainu, which inflicted at least significant damage.

Something he wasn't able to do with Oden In a long fight

Wb uses and abuses the fruit against randoms in Marineford.

In addition to adapting the artistic novelization of Bochi, he also uses the fruit against Ace.

It's not canon, but it had Oda's storyboards for some scenes.

The novelization itself was made to be as close to reality as possible, so the characters' actions in the adaptation are valid as long as they don't contradict the manga.

And casually in a mood change on 966 He also used the fruit and in Marineford he would scour the island simply to find himself.

It's completely inconsistent for him to worry about Oden and not use his main tactic.

An old, sick man, without Haoshoku, and without advanced Haki, and with his basic Haki nerfed, he wasn't worried about admirals, but he was worried about Oden.

That's quite significant, and Oden spent 4 years at sea evolving physically and in his Haki.

Even so, he withstood Oden's blitz, which already scales Roger's pure Busoshoku Kamusari above the WB strikes used on Oden.

And I think it's fair to say that Roger has greater speed because of that.

3-Aokiji vs Garp

Garp only used one Haoshoku strike against Aokiji, and that was the strike that blitzed and took Aokiji out of the fight early on.

It was a perception blitz; this is not controllable through hesitation.

So no excuses. If Aokiji could have defended himself, he would have done so.

Later, this same garp performs another speed blitz on Aokiji.

With pure armament(\*busoshoku\*)

And he spends the rest of the fight without using haoshoku.

While Aokiji uses a named attack to match Garp's pure armament punch.

I don't even need to say that Whitebeard and Roger's Armament Prime would be stronger than old Garp's, who was in poor physical condition and has already said he's become much weaker.

4-Aramaki vs. Momonosuke: Momonosuke surpassed Aramaki's durability and would have killed him right there if Momo had Haki.

The obvious scale of Roger and wb prime is purely narrative in armament against Momonosuke.

The feat of old wb with cancer against akainu.

The old garp scale and Aokiji above aramaki

Everything works

5-Conclusion: In magazine 14 it is stated that the multiplier of haoshoku is 10x.

Admirals would be no match for a youkou.

This will change in the future, but the narrative only works if it's consistent with the facts.

Until then, it's irrelevant headcanon.

I believe it's safe to compare the admirals' actions to what Kizaru did in Egghad.

With Kizaru obviously being superior in durability and resistance because, again, feats still count.

6-Comparing Roger's Kamusari to Shanks' Kamusari makes absolutely no sense.

Roger really delivered a perception blitz. While Shanks didn't do that.

Roger was only using Busoshoku, and he has both Haoshoku and advanced Emission Ryou; Shanks didn't show Emission Ryou (*although he probably did*).

Comparing something without haoshoku to something that uses haoshoku doesn't make sense.

If Roger used haoshoku on Kid, there would also be a one-shot.

Just a reminder that it's the same thing in the Kaido one-shot.

Remember that we have both verbal confirmation and visual indication twice that he was wearing it on Onigashima.

But we never have anything against Kizaru.

Luffy doesn't consider using Gear Third >>>> he wants to use Gear Four >>>> Yamato easily defends against Gear Third >>> this same that Yamato is rivaled by ulti(This is not a criticism of Yamato; the point here is that if ulti were significantly weaker, it would be randomized in both speed and ap)>>>The Gears are superior to the base form. So logically, the base form wouldn't stop it either.

The Gears have absurd multipliers that narratively allowed Luffy's victory over Moria, Doflamingo, and Kaido, etc.,

But let's reduce those values to 2x, it's still absurd and it's still above the fucking base form.

In all my posts about ulti, I really don't mind disagreements. But... the fandom is just trying to favor favorite characters and downplay those that aren't.

"Luffy didn't need Gear 4 to deal with Ulti attacks."

So why didn't he use the third or the second?

He uses it first against Yamato, HE USES IT AGAINST FUCKING KAIDO, but against his ultimate? "Oh no. I need Gear 4."

But Luffy, who is fully aware of his own capabilities, of what he CAN and CANNOT do, of who CAN and CANNOT defeat his base,

Is Luffy wrong and the fandom right? Are Oda and Luffy wrong and the fandom right?

I understand that sometimes this is also due to the fandom's ignorance in treating the Gears as if they were just a casual attack by Zoro.

But that's ignoring the narrative itself; the Gears have absurd multipliers against Moria, Doflamingo, and Kaido.

They were the ones who made the victory possible.

If Luffy needed Gear 4, you can be sure that his base form wouldn't have been enough. This is consistent with him not being able to break free from his ulti using his own strength and judging that Gear 3 wouldn't be sufficient.

She also wouldn't take the uppaced Gear Second with future vision, since if she did, Gear Four would be unnecessary.

The same goes for the base form.

Yamato was using enough power to easily defend against the elephant gun.

Later, after ironically taking the Thunder Bagua, Ulti is able to rival that Yamato.

Remember, combo exchanges and Clashes are irrelevant in One Piece mode; what matters is the consistency of that Clash with the rest of the characters' performance.

Adding that to Luffy vs ulti and Luffy's quote, it's quite consistent. If the ulti attack hadn't withstood the Elephant Gun, it would have been randomized much faster by Yamato.

The same goes for whos whos taking a oneshot and speed blitz from a Yamato without haki, Yamato having to catch an unprepared ultimate and still not

Speed blitz.

Later, this weakened ulti rivaled that same Yamato, whos whos couldn't rival.

That same base Luffy was already superior to the Gear 4 form that Luffy took a one-shot from Kaido.

That Luffy was already superior to Katakuri.

The same Luffy who did what he did to Kaido.

Ulti>>>katakuri

There's nothing wrong with dealing with a character being so strong, but ignoring the work itself and just spouting shit Full of headcanons? What kind of fandom is that?

Perhaps it's just a mistake by Oda. But in the panel before this one, Kilhingham defended himself with the trident without Omen, while when he received the buff, he seemed much faster.

Just as Sommers was shown more forcefully.

However, Kilchingham was able to imbue the Omen in his attack against Sanji.

So... Does he have both capabilities? If so, what is the practical difference between each one? Multiplier?

Can he imbue his nightmares with omen?

3 times, 3 damn times.

Oda was very clear with Gabban, informing the reader and Luffy that they could be killed, and even then Oda managed to surpass himself with Sanji revealing the secret, and Killingham is the one who admits that Haoshoku It could kill them.

There is no way out. Loki remains unquantifiable.

Yes, that's reliable. Since it comes from Kilzingham, he has no reason to lie when he's mocking Sanji for not possessing Haoshoku.

Shanks, aged 25, also learned this casually. Oda showed it to us firsthand. So it's just a matter of having that intention.

In all my posts about ulti, I really don't mind disagreements. But... the fandom is just trying to favor favorite characters and downplay those that aren't.

"Luffy didn't need Gear 4 to deal with Ultimate attacks."

So why didn't he use the third or the second?

He uses it first against Yamato, HE USES IT AGAINST FUCKING KAIDO, but against his ultimate? "Oh no. I need Gear 4."

But Luffy, who is fully aware of his own capabilities, of what he CAN and CANNOT do, of who CAN and CANNOT defeat his base,

Is Luffy wrong and the fandom right? Are Oda and Luffy wrong and the fandom right?

I understand that sometimes this is also due to the fandom's ignorance in treating the Gears as if they were just a casual attack by Zoro.

But that's ignoring the narrative itself; the Gears have absurd multipliers against Moria, Doflamingo, and Kaido.

They were the ones who made the victory possible.

If Luffy needed Gear 4, you can be sure that his base form wouldn't have been enough. This is consistent with him not being able to break free from his ultimate form using his own strength and judging that Gear 3 wouldn't be sufficient.

She also wouldn't take the uppaced Gear Second with future vision, since if she did, Gear Four would be unnecessary.

The same goes for the base form.

Yamato was using enough power to easily defend against the elephant gun.

Later, after ironically taking the Thunder Bagua, Ulti is able to rival that Yamato.

Remember, combo exchanges and Clashes are irrelevant in One Piece mode; what matters is the consistency of that Clash with the rest of the characters' performance.

Adding that to Luffy vs ulti and Luffy's quote, it's quite consistent. If the ulti attack hadn't withstood the Elephant Gun, it would have been randomized much faster by Yamato.

The same goes for whos whos taking a oneshot and speed blitz from a Yamato without haki, Yamato having to catch an unprepared ultimate and still not

Speed blitz.

Later, this weakened ult rivaled that same Yamato, which whos whos couldn't rival.

There's nothing wrong with dealing with a character being so strong, but ignoring the work itself and just spouting shit Full of headcanons? What kind of fandom is that?

3 times, 3 damn times.

Oda was very clear with Gabban, informing the reader and Luffy that they could be killed, and even then Oda managed to surpass himself with Sanji revealing the secret, and Killingham is the one who admits that Haoshoku It could kill them.

There is no way out. Loki remains unquantifiable.

(WARNING: This is different from a suggestion of how a character could use a power within a story; here I directly analyze what caused their defeat and what other characters already use Within the story, to determine what is reasonable for the character to use and decide to use with their battle IQ*)

The new captain of Big Mom's pirates, I presume.

As I've already argued with Yamato, Kid, and Hancock, I believe they will indeed be used against the Knights and Gorosei because of their haoshoku.

Logically. That same basis applies to Katakuri... With one difference. He's much more brilliant.

He is the most brilliant Devil Fruit user ever shown in the series.

If Lucci can be that strong with just a Devil Fruit, Haki, and a dream, then Katakuri can definitely put up an even bigger fight against Zoro or be superior to Zoro and King.

We saw the difference that an advanced haoshoku makes with Yamato and Luffy.

The magazine is saying that his increase is 10x.

Do I believe his observation skills will improve as much as Luffy's? No. But he definitely got even stronger.

Remember, he didn't have extreme fights. And we don't even know if at any point in his life he was ever subjected to a high diff.

The fight against Luffy really pushed him to his limit.

Besides having superior Haki and logically superior physical abilities, I think Katakuri also won't insist on repeating the same mistake.

What caused his defeat at the hands of Luffy?

-the abandonment of his denial of durability with the spear

-The lack of durability, resistance and ap,

Resistance he could easily build with training; you could even say he didn't have bad resistance, only his durability was surpassed because Luffy was so strong.

Stamina is obviously improved with training.

-Ap would be astronomically superior with haoshoku

-And this is where things change, durability. Because this is resolved by the very hakis THAT HE ALREADY HAS.

He had already improved his Devil Fruit and his Haki for efficiency. But he never really thought much about AP or durability because he didn't need either, since he had durability negation with his spear, And the barrage of attacks, the improvement of AP was unnecessary.

Durability as well. Since he simply dodged attacks, he wasn't used to taking so many.

Given the character's physique and willpower (*haki*), he could definitely have absurd stamina if he trained it.

Finally, having explained HOW and WHY it is consistent for it to evolve, how would it do that?

We've already seen Aokiji deliver a decisive blow in the fight against Garp, working as a team with the Blackbeard Pirates, using durability negation from a slash to pierce Garp's stomach.

And this is where I'll begin: Katakuri could easily create mochi blades to fulfill that need for a weapon to increase AP.

Logically. That would also increase the AP.

We've already seen this ability, as I demonstrated with Aokiji, so how can we see it in someone who strives for efficiency and who ultimately lost due to a lack of it and by abandoning their own blade?

(*demonstrating dependence*) it would be NOT strange at all if he started using this.

If the durability negation from blades is used, that's very good, because if Katakuri's opponents are going to be Blackbeard's pirates...

Then he will be able to deal with Van Augur, Katakuri would use future vision.

Is Teach, who takes attacks for free, would be covered in barrages of blades, something similar to what would happen to someone without durability or haki to tank and who doesn't usually defend.

We saw what Law did to him. I could really see Katakuri with haoshoku and mochi blades making things extremely difficult for Teach if he didn't stop attacking.

The moment Teach starts fighting seriously, it's all over. This would obviously end. Neither Shanks, who was comparable to Gabban 14 years ago, nor that Shanks stood a chance against a blackbeard physically weaker and No berries and with weaker haki.

But with this time gained and injuries to Teach, Katakuri could indeed save Pudding (*including the negation of durability through cuts, which could make dealing with Pizarro easy.*)

Next, we saw that his defeat at the hands of Luffy was also due to a lack of durability.

Katakuri possesses the amplified Devil Fruit hardness that surpassed Luffy's base form's Busoshoku and even matched his Gear 4.

So I imagine that he, BEING INTELLIGENT (*I'm exaggerating the punctuation to make it clear that this makes sense WITHIN the story*)

He could easily figure out that directing the use of his Busoshoku armor to increase his defense would also be a smart move. We've already seen Yamato use ice-coated armor.

So I doubt Katakuri couldn't do the same with mochi.

-And with a third point within the Busoshoku system, am I the only one who finds this really strange? There are many characters who have casual emission ryou.

It's quite strange that someone as proficient in Haki as Katakuri isn't able to use it.

Naturally, this would be the greatest defense achieved by natural busoshoku, and one that should indeed be well known in piracy.

We saw in defensive Conqueror's Haki that it can also be amplified by Haoshoku.

So yes. In that scenario, I could easily see Katakuri already HAVING this or simply learning it.

Luffy literally had this since Dressrosa. The only thing I doubt he can achieve is the inner Ryou.

Regarding age, Katakuri is 50 years old. Characters can reach Prime between the ages of 40 and 55.

And Katakuri, as I've shown, has a lot of room to evolve.

Katakuri could also wrap his spear with mochi hardened by haki.

This would make the weapon even more efficient.

In conclusion.

If Lucci returned as a YC1, then I find it completely acceptable that Katakuri has EVERYTHING more than him, and is admiral-level.

Yes, Kid needed specific attacks to have good AP, and Law was dependent on K-Room and internal hax, so his attack speed was zero.

Most of the time he would slowly attack Big Mom from behind.

So I would see Katakuri dominating them. (*At the same time, he would be dominated if he took attacks like Damned Punk, Kid's Bull, or K-Room*)

Remember, Aramaki was devastated by Momonosuke, Marco stopped all three original admirals, and Kizaru has terrible AP.

Katakuri can rival that.

1- At that point in the story, Luffy was already superior to Katakuri, and yet he still took a speed blitz and a one-shot from Kaido.

Luffy after udon is naturally much stronger and faster, since he was able to react, fight, resist, etc.

2-However, that same Luffy was surpassed in a Clash by ulti.

And he literally said that he would have to use Gear 4 to surpass her, which is relevant because it puts her above Gear Second and Gear Third with advanced Haki.(\*Goat Yamato had to save Luffy\*)

This goes beyond any speed or AP limit Katakuri might have.

(\*Luffy without advanced Haki would already be beyond her... But Luffy with Gears and advanced Haki wouldn't be able to one-shot or speed blitz her... Not even a stomp. He would need Gear 4, Ulti is a monster.\*)

Ulti is also superior to the Scabbards in that sense. Since Kaido had already taken them down by force. Therefore, the Sulongs were able to randomize Jack, so... Ulti is above them as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling0/s/1kiq8sboUs Here is the link to the complex analysis of ulti yc2. (*In the traditional sense, it doesn't make sense, because the commanders of Youkou have never been shown to be truly equal or comparable. Oda increased their level throughout the arcs, and King determines YC1 in Wano. Given the ability of sulongs to randomize Jack, they are yc2 to randomize a yc3. And they are superior to other YC3s, like other sheaths or APOO hax.

And ulti is above the sulongs because she is superior to base Luffy. So she is also yc2*)

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling0/s/udUj6MrFBI Here's a short analysis of why she's the strongest tobiropo and why whos whos isn't really comparable.

Understand... This isn't a discussion about whether base Luffy would be necessary or not; according to Luffy's own words, he wouldn't be.

If he were. Then Gear Third and Second would also be enough, but since they weren't enough, Luffy needed a higher multiplier.

He wouldn't be able to one-shot, outpace, or stomp with his ultimate, even with Gear Third or Second; only Gear Four would be able to handle her, whether with a stomp or one-shot.

1-Yamato, with a basic physical attack without Haki, delivered a one-shot and speed blitz (\*either outpaced or perception\*) on Whos Whos.

Who's who fell and didn't get up.

While Yamato had to catch Ulti off guard and used Haki, this means she knew Ulti was stronger than Whos Whos.

Even though she was caught off guard, Ultima got up and then struggled against Yamato's physical strength.

2-Ulti is superior to base Luffy from Onigashima, since base Luffy couldn't stop she.

(\*Since he wanted to use Gear 4, if Luffy's base form could stop it, then the Second or Third Hokage could do it with their Haki multipliers.\*)

If whos whos offered medium difficulty against a yc3, then it's fairly consistent to say that whos whos is significantly inferior to ulti.

What really made Luffy sweat, his eyes wide, fearing her headbutt and unable to overcome her brute strength, was that he couldn't break free from her grip and couldn't even struggle.

3-Her losing in the cover story is quite irrelevant when we know beforehand that she is superior, and we get that answer in the one-shot that Yamato gives in "Whos Whos".

The difference is clear. Ulti, Yamato uses Haki, has to catch him off guard, and even then Ulti doesn't get blitzed, who's who? He gets blitzed and one-shotted by a Yamato without Haki, he doesn't get up, Ulti gets up. And then Ulti fights Yamato again, ironically... The physicist who gave a one-shot and outpaced Whos Whos? Ulti matches him For a while.

(\*YC1 is established in King and Zoro, Jack and SOME of the scabbards are established as YC3, The rest doesn't make sense, because King is far superior to Katakuri, so there's no such thing as them being equal. Lucci is YC1 or YC2 based on his performance with Zoro, because it's Zoro that matters.\*) (*Regarding the calculations, I will explain them later, but they are only a SECOND way, which only confirms what we already know *)

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome to the precursor of the ulti agenda.

Kaido's strongest vassal after King and Queen, a young woman with a beautiful, monumental pair of thighs, charisma that reaches the stars, and... one of the rare women not affected by the misogynistic Bagua From Oda Sensei.

She is HIM.

1- Post-Wano Ulti's Superiority

Luffy's ulti in Wano was already YC2, and I'm going to explain Luffy's multipliers, giving quotes and arguments about it.

Just keep in mind that the post-Wano ultimate is logically stronger than that because of the exponential evolution through battles and extreme near-death experiences.

Post-Wano Ulti is definitely stronger and possesses better Haki than the Ulti who survived and regenerated after an attack from the Maser Saber, since she was much more injured and her Haki naturally increased.

An Ulti who excelled in a confrontation with Luffy using basic Haoshoku.

2- Scale Comparison Between Luffy in Ulti's Complete Zoan Form and Luffy in his Base Form.

Luffy starts in his base form against Ulti's Complete Zoan Form, and Luffy considers using Gear 4.

Ulti squeezes him casually and effortlessly, but he is unable to break free or move. Ulti isn't even trying.

3- Ulti's scaling against Gear Second and Gear Third.

・"Dame da Gear 4" is a Japanese phrase that, in the context of \*One Piece\*, can be translated into English as "No way, Gear 4" or "That won't work; I'll have to use Gear 4."

Details on the Gears and Ulti's Durability

Gear Second: Base form enhanced by Moria; 30 times faster than the base form.

Ulti would be able to handle this, even against advanced internal Ryou attacks.

Gear Third: Same logic applies regarding attack power.

Luffy thought that he wouldn't be able to defeat Ulti using only internal damage and advanced Armament Haki, stating that he would need Gear 4.

4- Shadow Multipliers (Luffy vs. Moria))(*First of all, are the calculations valid? In this context, yes, in the same arc the author gives us citations about this and feats that prove this multiplication against Moria and Doflamingo in the Gear 4 multiplier, It would only be irrelevant if it were an inconsistent outlier*)

Statements from Lola and other characters: 100 shadows make Luffy "several times" stronger (at least 2x).

Moria possesses 10 times the number of shadows Luffy had with 100 (making him 10 times stronger than Luffy with 100 shadows).

Base Moria > Base Luffy; shadows boost total combat power.

Calculation: 2x (100 shadows) x 10 (Moria) = 20x.

5- Gear 4 Limits and Ulti.

Gear 4 has a "many/several" multiplier (covering a 2x factor): 20x base × 2 = 40x (without internal Haki).

– Ulti's full Zoan form goes beyond the point where Luffy says he would definitely need Gear 4, yet he isn't terrified (it is possible to handle her in that state).

– Despite being surprised and sweating, he was certain he couldn't handle her in Gear Second—or at least thought it would be a fierce fight.

– Lola understands Luffy's powers and shadows: a guaranteed 3x multiplier.

\\- Moria obtained the strongest shadows; Lola took them from weak zombies, since she lacked the strength to take ones like Brook's, and it makes no sense for Moria to take the weaker ones (900 identical shadows, some stronger).

6- Future Sight vs. Gears (Katakuri)

Katakuri, with his advanced Observation Haki, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, against frontal attacks).

\\- A single blow: a trap that exploited distance and the body's ability to change shape—something Luffy hadn't expected to happen.

Katakuri, with his advanced Observation Haki, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, against frontal attacks).

\\- A single blow: a trap that exploited the distance and the body's ability to change shape—something Luffy didn't foresee—making it the fastest decisive attack of the entire fight.

\\- Snakeman's speed multiplier >>>> Future Sight > Gear Second.

\\- The Gears operate with the same baseline speed/force, altering only specific characteristics to boost particular attributes.

\\- ...but logically, they still retain that same superior speed multiplier relative to the base form.

\\- Since Katakuri couldn't react to Snakeman's body-morphing—only to standard frontal attacks.

Conclusão da Escala 7: Besides those multipliers, yes, Ulti is superior to Katakuri and Luffy's Holly Cake.

Luffy, with his more powerful Holly Cake, thanks to Luffy's natural exponential growth, took a one-shot and speed blitz from Kaido's Busoshoku.

While Luffy, in his base form atop Onigashima, was able to fight against Kaido.

This also scales to the ultimate form, being able to do this. As I've shown and proven, the Gears are far superior to the base form. Even if we multiply by minimums using the word "multiple times Stronger"

It would be 2x, so it would be 2x2=4x2=8 without considering the improvement of advanced observation haki and internal ryou.

Ulti grew stronger after Wano with Haki (she withstood all types of attacks + Youkou in her hybrid form).

Law and Luffy in Gear 4 are quickly blitzed(\*Outpaced and not a perception blitz\*) by Zeus (weaker than Hera); Ulti is not, as she senses the attack approaching.

Big Mom casually blitzes Kid, but not Ulti, even though she's furious.

Ulti outside of Wano is definitely more absurd.

It was good to use katakuri as a comparison for the stupid discussion of who is stronger.

In summary, considering everything after her ultimate, she's YC2, but how strong do you think she is after Wano? Where she fought a lot and took a lot of hits?

Yes, Wano's ultimate is superior to Jack's for me, and logically it's more absurd after Wano.

1- Direct Comparison of Feats.

Durability/Regeneration: Ulti withstands Big Mom's Maser Saber (full Youkou form).

She regenerates and returns stronger with a Haki boost.

Jack? He withstood Inuarashi once (before using his powers), but was defeated and failed at Onigashima.

Even in Japanese, "Ulti" indicates that Yamato's Conqueror's Haki is half the strength of Kaido's Bagua.

Confrontations: Ulti faces Luffy's Haoshoku + advanced Ryou (reminding him of Gear 4)—a version of Luffy who would go on to face Kaido and is far superior to Katakuri.

Haki and Speed: Ulti reacts to Zeus (Luffy was pre-Gear 4/Law during the lightning attack), yet cannot withstand a casual lightning attack from Big Mom.

Jack is incredibly slow, unable to match the speed of the Sulong Minks—who scale below the Luffy that fought Kaido.

Luffy's Haki evolves after Wano (he survives everything and levels up), whereas Jack stagnates as a "low-tier All-Star."

Arc Context

Jack is the weakest of the confirmed All-Stars, Ulti (Flying Six) excels in confrontations with Luffy/Katakuri > Jack's best (against the Minks).

To say that Jack is above her doesn't make sense considering her feats against Ashura Douji and Sulongs, and even Luffy's own base form against Kaido.

For Oda? Well, Ulti is new and it wouldn't be in her best interest to advance in her role if she were to stay with Page One.

She's smart. So, getting promoted would only lead to more people from the same crew targeting her.

Being one of the Tobiropos already gave her and Page One the fame and power necessary to live the comfortable life she wanted.

Comparing her to Whos Whos doesn't make sense,

Comparing her to Jack makes sense.

Ulti is definitely the strongest Tobiroppo.

As I've already proven with Luffy's scale, she has feats better than Jack's and, by extension, above whos whos.(\*Even if we disregard Jack, it's obvious that Luffy is who's who\*.)

Whos Whos was devastated by a Jinbe attack with medium difficulty at most.

Meanwhile, Ulti took a serious hit from Big Mom and regenerated.

Furthermore, she received repeated blows from Zeus, which affected all the Supernovas and defeated some with a single strike.

Even the speed of Big Mom's Hommes is something Ulti was able to perceive, but Whos Whos would be defeated with a single blow.

He wouldn't get up and take a perception blitz.

She was only imprisoned later, probably because Whos Whos was more numerous and likely used Page One as a hostage.

This fight, if not pure cowardice, may even have strengthened her.

Finally, she is definitely superior to Whos Whos, since Yamato used Busoshoku to one-shot her, while he didn't use Haki against Whos Whos.

Jack also says that the scabbards are superior to all the tobiropos, obviously ulti is a factual exception, since we have been shown that she is superior.

This means that any sheath was superior to whos whos, and it is proven that denjiro, inu base, neko base, and ashura douji were equals to or superior to Jack.

The sulongs were far superior.

And as I've already proven with Luffy, Luffy outperformed the scabbards.

So ulti>>>all

(\*She also has an interesting feat of exchanging blows with Yamato for a considerable period, and the anime shows her being overpowered. But I don't think that affects her overall strength. Despite that It's impressive and absurd.\*)

She became Yamato's right-hand woman and will fight alongside her in the final war.

This is, at the very least, a significant narrative leap.

Conclusion. Because it is superior to the sulongs, who are massively superior to Jack, who is a YC3 along with the strongest sheaths, this means that ulti would be YC2.

Since the sulongs randomized jack

Whos Whos is inferior to all the scabbards, inferior to Jack, and massively inferior to the Sulongs and Luffy from Onigashima.

How much stronger is she post-Wano?

(*YC1 is established in King and Zoro, Jack and SOME of the scabbards are established as YC3, The rest doesn't make sense, because King is far superior to Katakuri, so there's no such thing as them being equal. Lucci is YC1 or YC2 based on his performance with Zoro, because it's Zoro that matters.*) (*Regarding the calculations, I will explain them later, but they are only a SECOND way, which only confirms what we already know *)

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome to the precursor of the ulti agenda.

Kaido's strongest vassal after King and Queen, a young woman with a beautiful, monumental pair of thighs, charisma that reaches the stars, and... one of the rare women not affected by the misogynistic Bagua From Oda Sensei.

She is HIM.

1- Post-Wano Ulti's Superiority

Luffy's ulti in Wano was already YC2, and I'm going to explain Luffy's multipliers, giving quotes and arguments about it.

Just keep in mind that the post-Wano ultimate is logically stronger than that because of the exponential evolution through battles and extreme near-death experiences.

Post-Wano Ulti is definitely stronger and possesses better Haki than the Ulti who survived and regenerated after an attack from the Maser Saber, since she was much more injured and her Haki naturally increased.

An Ulti who excelled in a confrontation with Luffy using basic Haoshoku.

2- Scale Comparison Between Luffy in Ulti's Complete Zoan Form and Luffy in his Base Form.

Luffy starts in his base form against Ulti's Complete Zoan Form, and Luffy considers using Gear 4.

Ulti squeezes him casually and effortlessly, but he is unable to break free or move. Ulti isn't even trying.

3- Ulti's scaling against Gear Second and Gear Third.

・"Dame da Gear 4" is a Japanese phrase that, in the context of *One Piece*, can be translated into English as "No way, Gear 4" or "That won't work; I'll have to use Gear 4."

Details on the Gears and Ulti's Durability

Gear Second: Base form enhanced by Moria; 30 times faster than the base form.

Ulti would be able to handle this, even against advanced internal Ryou attacks.

Gear Third: Same logic applies regarding attack power.

Luffy thought that he wouldn't be able to defeat Ulti using only internal damage and advanced Armament Haki, stating that he would need Gear 4.

4- Shadow Multipliers (Luffy vs. Moria))(First of all, are the calculations valid? In this context, yes, in the same arc the author gives us citations about this and feats that prove this multiplication against Moria and Doflamingo in the Gear 4 multiplier, It would only be irrelevant if it were an inconsistent outlier) Statements from Lola and other characters: 100 shadows make Luffy "several times" stronger (at least 2x).

Moria possesses 10 times the number of shadows Luffy had with 100 (making him 10 times stronger than Luffy with 100 shadows).

Base Moria > Base Luffy; shadows boost total combat power.

Calculation: 2x (100 shadows) x 10 (Moria) = 20x.

5- Gear 4 Limits and Ulti.

Gear 4 has a "many/several" multiplier (covering a 2x factor): 20x base × 2 = 40x (without internal Haki).

– Ulti's full Zoan form goes beyond the point where Luffy says he would definitely need Gear 4, yet he isn't terrified (it is possible to handle her in that state).

– Despite being surprised and sweating, he was certain he couldn't handle her in Gear Second—or at least thought it would be a fierce fight.

– Lola understands Luffy's powers and shadows: a guaranteed 3x multiplier.

\- Moria obtained the strongest shadows; Lola took them from weak zombies, since she lacked the strength to take ones like Brook's, and it makes no sense for Moria to take the weaker ones (900 identical shadows, some stronger).

6- Future Sight vs. Gears (Katakuri)

Katakuri, with his advanced Observation Haki, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, against frontal attacks).

\- A single blow: a trap that exploited distance and the body's ability to change shape—something Luffy hadn't expected to happen.

Katakuri, with his advanced Observation Haki, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, against frontal attacks).

\- A single blow: a trap that exploited the distance and the body's ability to change shape—something Luffy didn't foresee—making it the fastest decisive attack of the entire fight.

\- Snakeman's speed multiplier >>>> Future Sight > Gear Second.

\- The Gears operate with the same baseline speed/force, altering only specific characteristics to boost particular attributes.

\- ...but logically, they still retain that same superior speed multiplier relative to the base form.

\- Since Katakuri couldn't react to Snakeman's body-morphing—only to standard frontal attacks.

Conclusão da Escala 7: Besides those multipliers, yes, Ulti is superior to Katakuri and Luffy's Holly Cake.

Luffy, with his more powerful Holly Cake, thanks to Luffy's natural exponential growth, took a one-shot and speed blitz from Kaido's Busoshoku.

While Luffy, in his base form atop Onigashima, was able to fight against Kaido.

This also scales to the ultimate form, being able to do this. As I've shown and proven, the Gears are far superior to the base form. Even if we multiply by minimums using the word "multiple times Stronger"

It would be 2x, so it would be 2x2=4x2=8 without considering the improvement of advanced observation haki and internal ryou.

Ulti grew stronger after Wano with Haki (she withstood all types of attacks + Youkou in her hybrid form).

Law and Luffy in Gear 4 are quickly blitzed(*Outpaced and not a perception blitz*) by Zeus (weaker than Hera); Ulti is not, as she senses the attack approaching.

Big Mom casually blitzes Kid, but not Ulti, even though she's furious.

Ulti outside of Wano is definitely more absurd.

It was good to use katakuri as a comparison for the stupid discussion of who is stronger.

In summary, considering everything after her ultimate, she's YC2, but how strong do you think she is after Wano? Where she fought a lot and took a lot of hits?

Yes, Wano's ultimate is superior to Jack's for me, and logically it's more absurd after Wano.

1- Direct Comparison of Feats.

Durability/Regeneration: Ulti withstands Big Mom's Maser Saber (full Youkou form).

She regenerates and returns stronger with a Haki boost.

Jack? He withstood Inuarashi once (before using his powers), but was defeated and failed at Onigashima.

Even in Japanese, "Ulti" indicates that Yamato's Conqueror's Haki is half the strength of Kaido's Bagua.

Confrontations: Ulti faces Luffy's Haoshoku + advanced Ryou (reminding him of Gear 4)—a version of Luffy who would go on to face Kaido and is far superior to Katakuri.

Haki and Speed: Ulti reacts to Zeus (Luffy was pre-Gear 4/Law during the lightning attack), yet cannot withstand a casual lightning attack from Big Mom.

Jack is incredibly slow, unable to match the speed of the Sulong Minks—who scale below the Luffy that fought Kaido.

Luffy's Haki evolves after Wano (he survives everything and levels up), whereas Jack stagnates as a "low-tier All-Star."

Arc Context

Jack is the weakest of the confirmed All-Stars, Ulti (Flying Six) excels in confrontations with Luffy/Katakuri > Jack's best (against the Minks).

To say that Jack is above her doesn't make sense considering her feats against Ashura Douji and Sulongs, and even Luffy's own base form against Kaido.

For Oda? Well, Ulti is new and it wouldn't be in her best interest to advance in her role if she were to stay with Page One.

She's smart. So, getting promoted would only lead to more people from the same crew targeting her.

Being one of the Tobiropos already gave her and Page One the fame and power necessary to live the comfortable life she wanted.

Comparing her to Whos Whos doesn't make sense,

Comparing her to Jack makes sense.

Ulti is definitely the strongest Tobiroppo.

As I've already proven with Luffy's scale, she has feats better than Jack's and, by extension, above whos whos.(*Even if we disregard Jack, it's obvious that Luffy is who's who*.)

Whos Whos was devastated by a Jinbe attack with medium difficulty at most.

Meanwhile, Ulti took a serious hit from Big Mom and regenerated.

Furthermore, she received repeated blows from Zeus, which affected all the Supernovas and defeated some with a single strike.

Even the speed of Big Mom's Hommes is something Ulti was able to perceive, but Whos Whos would be defeated with a single blow.

He wouldn't get up and take a perception blitz.

She was only imprisoned later, probably because Whos Whos was more numerous and likely used Page One as a hostage.

This fight, if not pure cowardice, may even have strengthened her.

Finally, she is definitely superior to Whos Whos, since Yamato used Busoshoku to one-shot her, while he didn't use Haki against Whos Whos.

Jack also says that the scabbards are superior to all the tobiropos, obviously ulti is a factual exception, since we have been shown that she is superior.

This means that any sheath was superior to whos whos, and it is proven that denjiro, inu base, neko base, and ashura douji were equals to or superior to Jack.

The sulongs were far superior.

And as I've already proven with Luffy, Luffy outperformed the scabbards.

So ulti>>>all

(*She also has an interesting feat of exchanging blows with Yamato for a considerable period, and the anime shows her being overpowered. But I don't think that affects her overall strength. Despite that It's impressive and absurd.*)

She became Yamato's right-hand woman and will fight alongside her in the final war.

This is, at the very least, a significant narrative leap.

Conclusion. Because it is superior to the sulongs, who are massively superior to Jack, who is a YC3 along with the strongest sheaths, this means that ulti would be YC2.

Since the sulongs randomized jack

Whos Whos is inferior to all the scabbards, inferior to Jack, and massively inferior to the Sulongs and Luffy from Onigashima.

How much stronger is she post-Wano?

The first and last images are what they use as the basis for the headcanon. Harald said that, but he never I said that in that context.

He literally says

"Kill me and take the throne!! ...Loki!!!"

お前が殺し「王座」に就け!! …ロキ!!!(Omae ga koroshi "ouza" ni tsuke!! …Roki!!

And that's what people use to say something.

But here comes the most important part.

"Tell the citizens how foolish I was!! Kill me and gain your fame!!!"

おれがいかに愚かな王だったか!! 国民に伝え!! おれを殺して名を上げろ!!!(Ore ga ikani oroka na ou datta ka!! Kokumin ni tsutae!! Ore wo koroshite na wo agero!!!)

It's never about power. But about the weight and what Loki will do afterward.

"I don't care about my reputation after I die!!! What really matters..."

んだ後の私の評判などどうだっていい!!! 大切なのは(Shinda ato no watashi no hyouban nado dou datte ii!!! Taisetsu na no wa)

"...It's the future of Elbaf...!!! Isn't that right?!!!"

「エルバフ」の未来だ…!!! そうだろう?!!!(“Erubafu” no mirai da…!!! Sou darou?!!!)

Here Harald is literally justifying his request, which is not about power, but about the citizens.

"How far are you going to plan this...?!"

アンタどこまで…!!(Anta doko made…!!)

Loki REACTS TO THIS SHIT!

This is their conversation here.

"I beg you, Loki!! Only you can do this!!!"

頼んだぞロキ!! お前にしかできない!!!(Tanonda zo Roki!! Omae ni shika dekinai!!!)

This is where Harald finally says it. But as you've noticed, the context is always about destroying Harald's image with the truth.

And to construct the image of Loki as a savior here.

Loki is the ONLY one who can do that.

But the fandom's agenda and dishonesty are so impressive that they distort everything in the manga; the Elbaf arc perfectly demonstrated this.

What Harald said here is that Loki (obviously while within Elbaf, since he isn't omnipotent) is the only person capable of killing Harald if he obtains the fruit (the capabilities of which are unknown to him). It makes sense that he is having Loki do this, given Loki's ancient giant lineage and his relationship with Harald. However, this simply means he believes that—among the options available in Elbaf—Loki is the only one with the potential to pull it off if he gets the fruit. Which brings me to my next point.

It should be clear and obvious that being capable of killing someone does not equate to being stronger than them. Kaido is fully capable of killing Roger or Whitebeard, but does that mean he is stronger? Not based on that alone. Any top-tier fighter has the capacity to kill another top-tier fighter (with the possible exception of Imu, pending further information). Just because one character says another *could* do something, it doesn't mean they believe themselves to be inferior. That isn't how power scaling works. In fact, consider the reverse scenario: Roger cannot kill Sommers. Does that mean Sommers is stronger than Roger simply because he is immortal? No. That doesn't make Roger inferior.

Like others, I believe the way Loki killed Rocks was due to some ability of the fruit. Harald was saying "Loki is the ONLY one who can" without even confirming if he had already obtained the fruit. Rocks specifically needed that fruit to face Imu; Loki explicitly affected the contract. I highly doubt it was just Haki, given how this fruit is being portrayed.

Ragnir's Statement

We have no confirmation that Harald actually tried to fight Ragnir. It would be a good statement if Harald had made it, because it shows that Loki could do something that Harald It couldn't be.

Speaking about the Harald vs. Loki fight itself, I made a long post about it.

But Harald literally only took one attack; his contract was affected, and he didn't retaliate again.

Since his arm was cut off (\*so much so that when the arm regenerates, there's a close-up of the contract and Harald says that Imu's control is returning\*)

At speed? The soldiers hit Harald.

So there's no quantifiable achievement here.

In terms of durability? According to the fandom, Harald HK was letting himself be injured by soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

So there's no deed here, since Harald is letting himself be hurt ACCORDING TO THE FANDOM.

If Harald wasn't letting himself get hurt, then Gabban, Shanks, and the soldiers really did pierce his durability.

And so Loki remains unquantifiable.

Another point is that there aren't even any indications of haki on the axe.

According to the fandom, indicators don't matter and the person is using haki all the time.

So Harald really did have his leg casually ripped off by Shanks and Gabban.

No excuses about "activation" since Harald had already activated Haki in the first Clash against Loki.

If that was the activation, then that comes along with the indicators and logic of "why it was deactivated."

If that logic holds true, then he didn't disable it during the first Clash, and the lack of indicators is irrelevant.

He was also pierced, his durability, AP, and speed being surpassed by the soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

If Harald really wasn't using haki, given that the fandom's interpretation is selective, then the clues really do matter.

Well... The second option is self-explanatory.

This would mean that Harald did not use haki and Loki did not overcome him.

Conclusion: Harald is not inferior and never admitted inferiority to Loki.

The first and last images are what they use as the basis for the headcanon. Harald said that, but he never I said that in that context.

He literally says

"Kill me and take the throne!! ...Loki!!!"

お前が殺し「王座」に就け!! …ロキ!!!(Omae ga koroshi "ouza" ni tsuke!! …Roki!!

And that's what people use to say something.

But here comes the most important part.

"Tell the citizens how foolish I was!! Kill me and gain your fame!!!"

おれがいかに愚かな王だったか!! 国民に伝え!! おれを殺して名を上げろ!!!(Ore ga ikani oroka na ou datta ka!! Kokumin ni tsutae!! Ore wo koroshite na wo agero!!!)

It's never about power. But about the weight and what Loki will do afterward.

"I don't care about my reputation after I die!!! What really matters..."

んだ後の私の評判などどうだっていい!!! 大切なのは(Shinda ato no watashi no hyouban nado dou datte ii!!! Taisetsu na no wa)

"...It's the future of Elbaf...!!! Isn't that right?!!!"

「エルバフ」の未来だ…!!! そうだろう?!!!(“Erubafu” no mirai da…!!! Sou darou?!!!)

Here Harald is literally justifying his request, which is not about power, but about the citizens.

"How far are you going to plan this...?!"

アンタどこまで…!!(Anta doko made…!!)

Loki REACTS TO THIS SHIT!

This is their conversation here.

"I beg you, Loki!! Only you can do this!!!"

頼んだぞロキ!! お前にしかできない!!!(Tanonda zo Roki!! Omae ni shika dekinai!!!)

This is where Harald finally says it. But as you've noticed, the context is always about destroying Harald's image with the truth.

And to construct the image of Loki as a savior here.

Loki is the ONLY one who can do that.

But the fandom's agenda and dishonesty are so impressive that they distort everything in the manga; the Elbaf arc perfectly demonstrated this.

What Harald said here is that Loki (obviously while within Elbaf, since he isn't omnipotent) is the only person capable of killing Harald if he obtains the fruit (the capabilities of which are unknown to him). It makes sense that he is having Loki do this, given Loki's ancient giant lineage and his relationship with Harald. However, this simply means he believes that—among the options available in Elbaf—Loki is the only one with the potential to pull it off if he gets the fruit. Which brings me to my next point. It should be clear and obvious that being capable of killing someone does not equate to being stronger than them. Kaido is fully capable of killing Roger or Whitebeard, but does that mean he is stronger? Not based on that alone. Any top-tier fighter has the capacity to kill another top-tier fighter (with the possible exception of Imu, pending further information). Just because one character says another could do something, it doesn't mean they believe themselves to be inferior. That isn't how power scaling works. In fact, consider the reverse scenario: Roger cannot kill Sommers. Does that mean Sommers is stronger than Roger simply because he is immortal? No. That doesn't make Roger inferior. Like others, I believe the way Loki killed Rocks was due to some ability of the fruit. Harald was saying "Loki is the ONLY one who can" without even confirming if he had already obtained the fruit. Rocks specifically needed that fruit to face Imu; Loki explicitly affected the contract. I highly doubt it was just Haki, given how this fruit is being portrayed. Ragnir's Statement We have no confirmation that Harald actually tried to fight Ragnir. It would be a good statement if Harald had made it, because it shows that Loki could do something that Harald It couldn't be.

Speaking about the Harald vs. Loki fight itself, I made a long post about it.

But Harald literally only took one attack; his contract was affected, and he didn't retaliate again.

Since his arm was cut off (*so much so that when the arm regenerates, there's a close-up of the contract and Harald says that Imu's control is returning*)

At speed? The soldiers hit Harald.

So there's no quantifiable achievement here.

In terms of durability? According to the fandom, Harald HK was letting himself be injured by soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

So there's no deed here, since Harald is letting himself be hurt ACCORDING TO THE FANDOM.

If Harald wasn't letting himself get hurt, then Gabban, Shanks, and the soldiers really did pierce his durability.

And so Loki remains unquantifiable.

Another point is that there aren't even any indications of haki on the axe.

According to the fandom, indicators don't matter and the person is using haki all the time.

So Harald really did have his leg casually ripped off by Shanks and Gabban.

No excuses about "activation" since Harald had already activated Haki in the first Clash against Loki.

If that was the activation, then that comes along with the indicators and logic of "why it was deactivated."

If that logic holds true, then he didn't disable it during the first Clash, and the lack of indicators is irrelevant.

He was also pierced, his durability, AP, and speed being surpassed by the soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

If Harald really wasn't using haki, given that the fandom's interpretation is selective, then the clues really do matter.

Well... The second option is self-explanatory.

This would mean that Harald did not use haki and Loki did not overcome him.

Conclusion: Harald is not inferior and never admitted inferiority to Loki.

The first and last images are what they use as the basis for the headcanon. Harald said that, but he never I said that in that context.

He literally says

"Kill me and take the throne!! ...Loki!!!"

お前が殺し「王座」に就け!! …ロキ!!!(Omae ga koroshi "ouza" ni tsuke!! …Roki!!

And that's what people use to say something.

But here comes the most important part.

"Tell the citizens how foolish I was!! Kill me and gain your fame!!!"

おれがいかに愚かな王だったか!! 国民に伝え!! おれを殺して名を上げろ!!!(Ore ga ikani oroka na ou datta ka!! Kokumin ni tsutae!! Ore wo koroshite na wo agero!!!)

It's never about power. But about the weight and what Loki will do afterward.

"I don't care about my reputation after I die!!! What really matters..."

んだ後の私の評判などどうだっていい!!! 大切なのは(Shinda ato no watashi no hyouban nado dou datte ii!!! Taisetsu na no wa)

"...It's the future of Elbaf...!!! Isn't that right?!!!"

「エルバフ」の未来だ…!!! そうだろう?!!!(“Erubafu” no mirai da…!!! Sou darou?!!!)

Here Harald is literally justifying his request, which is not about power, but about the citizens.

"How far are you going to plan this...?!"

アンタどこまで…!!(Anta doko made…!!)

Loki REACTS TO THIS SHIT!

This is their conversation here.

"I beg you, Loki!! Only you can do this!!!"

頼んだぞロキ!! お前にしかできない!!!(Tanonda zo Roki!! Omae ni shika dekinai!!!)

This is where Harald finally says it. But as you've noticed, the context is always about destroying Harald's image with the truth.

And to construct the image of Loki as a savior here.

Loki is the ONLY one who can do that.

But the fandom's agenda and dishonesty are so impressive that they distort everything in the manga; the Elbaf arc perfectly demonstrated this.

What Harald said here is that Loki (obviously while within Elbaf, since he isn't omnipotent) is the only person capable of killing Harald if he obtains the fruit (the capabilities of which are unknown to him). It makes sense that he is having Loki do this, given Loki's ancient giant lineage and his relationship with Harald. However, this simply means he believes that—among the options available in Elbaf—Loki is the only one with the potential to pull it off if he gets the fruit. Which brings me to my next point. It should be clear and obvious that being capable of killing someone does not equate to being stronger than them. Kaido is fully capable of killing Roger or Whitebeard, but does that mean he is stronger? Not based on that alone. Any top-tier fighter has the capacity to kill another top-tier fighter (with the possible exception of Imu, pending further information). Just because one character says another could do something, it doesn't mean they believe themselves to be inferior. That isn't how power scaling works. In fact, consider the reverse scenario: Roger cannot kill Sommers. Does that mean Sommers is stronger than Roger simply because he is immortal? No. That doesn't make Roger inferior. Like others, I believe the way Loki killed Rocks was due to some ability of the fruit. Harald was saying "Loki is the ONLY one who can" without even confirming if he had already obtained the fruit. Rocks specifically needed that fruit to face Imu; Loki explicitly affected the contract. I highly doubt it was just Haki, given how this fruit is being portrayed. Ragnir's Statement We have no confirmation that Harald actually tried to fight Ragnir. It would be a good statement if Harald had made it, because it shows that Loki could do something that Harald It couldn't be.

Speaking about the Harald vs. Loki fight itself, I made a long post about it.

But Harald literally only took one attack; his contract was affected, and he didn't retaliate again.

Since his arm was cut off (*so much so that when the arm regenerates, there's a close-up of the contract and Harald says that Imu's control is returning*)

At speed? The soldiers hit Harald.

So there's no quantifiable achievement here.

In terms of durability? According to the fandom, Harald HK was letting himself be injured by soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

So there's no deed here, since Harald is letting himself be hurt ACCORDING TO THE FANDOM.

If Harald wasn't letting himself get hurt, then Gabban, Shanks, and the soldiers really did pierce his durability.

And so Loki remains unquantifiable.

Another point is that there aren't even any indications of haki on the axe.

According to the fandom, indicators don't matter and the person is using haki all the time.

So Harald really did have his leg casually ripped off by Shanks and Gabban.

No excuses about "activation" since Harald had already activated Haki in the first Clash against Loki.

If that was the activation, then that comes along with the indicators and logic of "why it was deactivated."

If that logic holds true, then he didn't disable it during the first Clash, and the lack of indicators is irrelevant.

He was also pierced, his durability, AP, and speed being surpassed by the soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

If Harald really wasn't using haki, given that the fandom's interpretation is selective, then the clues really do matter.

Well... The second option is self-explanatory.

This would mean that Harald did not use haki and Loki did not overcome him.

Conclusion: Harald is not inferior and never admitted inferiority to Loki.

This isn't a bad thing for Imu, he'll definitely turn things around, but finally we have a basis to say Luffy >>> Loki

Imu saw Luffy in the distance, within his perspective and line of sight (*read the manga from right to left*). We see this in the second panel.

This means that Luffy was right after all that he could handle Loki.

Since he did this without advanced Observation Haki, we saw with Katakuri that it increases the user's perception and speed.

Since Katakuri's base form was equal to Luffy's base form in speed.

But with Observation Haki, his speed was equal to that of regular Gear 4, but inferior to Snakeman's redirection.

Obviously, Gear Nika's speed scales above that since it's the peak of Gears in every sense (*Luffy's words, based on his performance against Kaido*).

And naturally, Gear Nika + future vision would be even faster.

This also confirms that Kaido is far superior to Loki and was able to fight against Imu, since he was using one-shots and speed blitzes in Gear Nika.

Yamato is highly underrated.

Usually placed in the YC+ category, which is a category that makes no sense for most characters placed there, Law and Kid as examples, characters who literally fought and actually injured 2 Yonko.

While Akainu was having problems with Whitebeard, Kizaru had no offensive power, and Aokiji was having trouble with an old man who was only not worse than Whitebeard in durability because he didn’t have cancer.

Kizaru did not surpass, equal, or compare to Luffy’s attributes, while Yamato DID that with Kaido.

Literally matching in strength, offensive power and speed, or being comparable.

Moving on to the real accomplishments.

1—one-shotting Ulti.

As I also need to emphasize, as I did with Kaido, Roger and Big Mom.

Yamato didn’t use Haoshoku here, since there are no black lightning emanating from inside the weapon (what we saw against Kaido and which is a real indicator, since it literally represents the difference between Roger and Oden. Not using black lightning or onomatopoeias, there was no Haoshoku; in the next panel of Roger vs. Whitebeard, there are black lightning emanating.)

There’s also no onomatopoeia “bari bari,” which is used in Roger vs. Whitebeard, which described the indicators of Haoshoku.

So, that was a feat of pure Busoshoku.

The Admirals NEVER, I repeat, NEVER demonstrated that level of offensive power against anyone, much less against Haki.

Their Busoshoku, at best, was refined, but durability, power, speed? Unknown...

Because in offensive power, she landed a decisive blow with Ulti,

which was actually equivalent to a base-form Luffy, capable of fighting Kaido, something Gear 4 pre-Wano could not do.

This also means that Ulti is superior to the blades, as well as to Jack, Neko and Inu Sulong.

And no, Jack’s citation doesn’t work if it’s inconsistent with his own power and ranking; let’s base it on his achievements.

At best, that places the blades above the other Tobiroppo. Ulti is a YC2, since Neko and Inu in Sulong form were able to randomize Jack.

Yamato in AP had the greatest Busoshoku feat in the series, surpassing even Roger’s Busoshoku in factual terms, but Oden did tie with Whitebeard’s Busoshoku and was cited more seriously than the Admirals.

So I still consider Roger the apex of Busoshoku. That’s it, speed.

Kaido is superior to Roger in AP in this blackened Busoshoku.

Yamato is superior in blackened Busoshoku (hardening) to Kaido and Big Mom in demonstrated feats.

Remember that this was the supreme Zoan, and she was not only defeated with a single blow, but also knocked unconscious.

This supreme was superior to Gear 2 and Gear 3.

Since Luffy himself said he would have to use Gear 4 to deal with the full supreme Zoan form. (Yamato, with the Kairoseki chains weakened, defeated it with a single blow in that supreme)

2—Physical strength: besides Kaido’s genes, she has something that really proves her physical strength, while Kaido overcame Oden’s resilience purely with physical strength.

Yamato actually did this with the Who’s Who.

He would be Jack’s challenger, so they should have similar powers.

Again. No Admirals have this.

She also easily stopped the Elephant Gun.

That was done while she was still using the Kairoseki Chains (remember).

3—Ulti logically became stronger afterwards, since her Haki must have been strengthened.

And even so, Yamato parried her blows easily.

She defeated her off-screen (this was shown in the anime) with ease.

4—Kaido vs Big Mom: Kaido didn’t suffer any damage, but he only fought seriously against Yamato and Luffy, and only fought seriously before the PK-level aerial strike of 1027.

So yes, Yamato’s hybrid Kaido is superior to the base Kaido who fought Big Mom (who wasn’t even trying hard).

5—Did Kaido really use as much power against Yamato?

Yes. Everything? No.

Still, it’s light-years ahead of everything the Admirals have demonstrated in the work.

Luffy was defeated in the third round against Kaido after awakening Haoshoku and was thrown out of Onigashima. Kaido says: “It’s been a while since I’ve been this excited.”

Later, at the start of the confrontation with Yamato, he says: “I’m not going easy on you, Yamato!”

Kaido was gradually increasing the release of his own power.

That’s how he enjoyed himself.

Later, she asks if her father is trying to kill her.

He confirms. Of course, there’s a misinterpretation here. It doesn’t mean he wanted to pulverize her. But he definitely wouldn’t go easy on her, that’s what Oda means. Anyway, Oda made it clear three times that Kaido was actually trying to do something against Yamato.

The fact that he wasn’t using everything he has is irrelevant. Mentioning that is useless; it’s obvious he is not using everything he has.

Everyone knows that.

But he was still being absurd with the power he was exerting.

Kaido was literally in hybrid form, a form they say he only uses when he fights seriously.

6—Using pure Haki, Yamato in her base form later clashes with hybrid Kaido.

Something she repeated later in another painting, showing she was consistent.

In her base form, she also matched Luffy’s Gear 4 in an attack and caused part of the damage against Kaido.

At that speed, Yamato in base form was able to keep up with Kaido’s movements and warn Luffy.

Kaido was really taking it seriously. (Chapter 1045)

7—Yamato, in her hybrid form, demonstrates being able to match the speed and power of Kaido’s Thunder Bagua.

Which is consistent with the fact that she invoked her Haimme no Hakke in base form with 4 trigrams.

(Kaido’s Japanese has 8 trigrams.)

—Even when Yamato is finally subdued by Kaido, she manages to stay standing and active for the rest of the arc.

—Boro Breath. Here’s a very relevant part: Momo’s Boro Breath, which is extremely weaker than Kaido’s, was able to blow up Aramaki.

He would have suffered severe damage if Momonosuke had Haki.

While Yamato, in her hybrid form, simply dissipated Kaido’s Boro Breath with her own ice Boro Breath.

She would have landed a decisive hit on Aramaki in a real fight, especially because her ice is more resilient than normal.

8—Yamato simply broke Kaido’s jaw.

Something no Supernova or Big Mom would be able to do in a tiebreaker.

This is confirmed by the purple kanji on the boki and by the anime, which shows Kaido repositioning his jaw.

I would say that feat is better than Kid’s, who simply had greater reach, but was facing a Big Mom who initially didn’t use advanced Haki or even Busoshoku Haki.

Obviously, that also surpasses Law’s Room durability negation.

Kaido is stronger than Big Mom anyway.

And that definitely surpasses Zoro.

9—Conclusion: She is superior to all the Admirals; Aokiji was being attacked with Garp-level speed and dominated even by a Garp without Haoshoku.

While Big Mom kept pace with Kaido, who was fighting against Gear 5, she also reacted to Kaido earlier, who is one of, if not the best in combat speed in the universe.

(Due to Kaido’s multiple high-speed attacks against Law, Luffy Snakeman and Gear 5.) Besides attacking Luffy at high speed and easily overcoming the Supernovas and the Red Scabbards. Red Scabbards, in this case, YC3 or YC2 (Neko and Inu Sulong)

Whitebeard — he was slower than all the other Admirals, but comparable.

It’s all the same. Akainu was the slowest of the original Admirals trio.

Because he is the closest in speed to Whitebeard.

—Aramaki has nothing to say, Momonosuke and Yamato demonstrated they could handle him in terms of speed.

—Fujitora has no relevant feats.

—Kizaru was outsped by a Yonko.

I explained this in two posts; he never exceeded Gear 4’s speed, he escaped Gear 5, Gear 5 covered the distance of his movement speed and exceeded Kizaru’s attack speed.

Later, after Vegapunk’s death, Luffy did the same thing, intercepting Kizaru’s light transformation.

And also dodged his attack and Saturn’s attack at the same time.

Kizaru was completely outpaced in speed by a Yonko. Yamato really matched Kaido’s level.

2—In terms of offensive power, Akainu, so praised for his offensive power, is nothing impressive against Whitebeard.

He simply couldn’t pierce the whole body of an old man who didn’t have Resistance Haki; he only managed to go through the front part.

Against Aokiji, he tore off a leg after 11 days of fighting.

But, given his lack of resistance, that’s the minimum necessary for victory.

While Yamato demonstrated the ability to break the jaw of someone much superior to her, that is, Kaido.

Besides directly matching the Thunder Bagua and making Kaido bleed and fall.

Aokiji is nothing impressive.

He simply punched Garp and caused less significant damage than Shiryu.

Yes, his final damage was derived from durability negation and would never happen against Yamato’s armor ice or even against Garp in a 1-on-1.

Irrelevant.

—Even with internal damage or durability negation, Kizaru couldn’t do more than scratch Gear 4, and even with his strongest physical attack, Kizaru caused no damage to Gear 4.

—Aramaki’s moves are more focused on lethality and special abilities. Maybe he could have done something with piercing attacks against King, but we didn’t see how the fight ended, so that would be speculation.

—Fujitora is nothing impressive.

3—Strength... Well, it’s self-explanatory. The point about strength was quite brief, so I don’t even need to elaborate.

4—Durability.

—Kizaru was knocked down by a single blow from a yonko using Haoshoku Haki without internal or external emission.

While Yamato withstood repeated blows from Kaido.

Later, Kizaru also fell with a simple Haki of the King punch and bled due to an invisible grip of Haoshoku Haki.

—Akainu was devastated by Whitebeard, his eyes went white, he coughed and collapsed to the ground.

He stayed away until Whitebeard’s death.

He was defeated.

—Aramaki? ...Momonosuke. That was undoubtedly the worst.

Aokiji has no flaws, he is really good. But inferior to Yamato. Since the only blow he received from Haoshoku was from a projectile (Blue Hole), it wasn’t a direct blow like Pizarro’s.

—Fujitora. He has no achievements.

5—I’ve already talked about everything; all that remains is durability, versatility, etc., but I will not say anything more.

But Kizaru has good resistance. Unlike Aokiji, who didn’t demonstrate any.

6—Conclusion: Yonko level.

She achieved more than ALL the Admirals.

And that would handle even Garp and Sengoku of the Fleet. (Individually) Rayleigh and Gabban, as old as they were, wouldn’t stand a chance. Old Rayleigh = Kizaru.

There’s no way to put her at the same level as the Admirals and Yonko.

Not even as a Fleet Admiral. Since a fleet admiral is very similar to a normal admiral.

Kong’s position is a good candidate, not yet confirmed, for a level.

But anyway. Let’s simplify and say she is a “low-level Yonko” or “mid-level Yonko.”

I doubt Shanks would defeat her easily.

He doesn’t have the offensive power or speed for that. Much less defense or resistance to escape unscathed.

I also think she would handle Loki, since Loki only has one feat, a single blow to Harald’s arm that affected the contract.

Which can only be quantified in offensive power or speed like the level of regular soldiers.

No, Harald never said Loki could defeat him; he only said Loki would be the only one who could take the throne and tell the people how useless a king he was (in his own words).

Dragon has no feats, but has the scale and narrative to build a case around that too.

The Admirals have no way to break through her ice armor.

And if she coated a Kanabo and launched a named attack with emission?

Repeated damage would be devastating.

Whitebeard would come out with broken bones. As would all the Admirals.

Finally, Yamato has Haoshoku, something only elite admirals possess; none of the other admirals have it.

—You may not consider her Yonko-level, but YC+ makes no sense at all; she is at least top Admiral level or top Fleet Admiral level.

(The casual, nameless shield of a wounded and tired Yamato {vigor affects all Devil Fruits} surpassed the durability of Big Mom)

Since 25-year-old Shanks was casually able to nullify Harald's immortality.

I believe Yamato would also be superior to the Gorosei; at worst, he could freeze them after dismembering or beating them.

She broke Kaido's jaw, so she should be able to surpass the durability of Warcury, which ignored Luffy's blackened Busoshoku Nika.

She could freeze nerfed Emeth, and her ice is superior to Nasjuro's and Aokiji's.

Mars has no feats. He's the fugitive of the Goroseis. Ju Peter is a monster in ap, but a role in durability.

It would be easy to deal with.

Saturn has Kizaru's speed and superior AP and Haki. But it shouldn't be capable of causing lethal damage, at worst a high-mid difference.