r/GrandLineScaling

(\*YC1 is established in King and Zoro, Jack and SOME of the scabbards are established as YC3, The rest doesn't make sense, because King is far superior to Katakuri, so there's no such thing as them being equal. Lucci is YC1 or YC2 based on his performance with Zoro, because it's Zoro that matters.\*) (*Regarding the calculations, I will explain them later, but they are only a SECOND way, which only confirms what we already know *)

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome to the precursor of the ulti agenda.

Kaido's strongest vassal after King and Queen, a young woman with a beautiful, monumental pair of thighs, charisma that reaches the stars, and... one of the rare women not affected by the misogynistic Bagua From Oda Sensei.

She is HIM.

1- Post-Wano Ulti's Superiority

Luffy's ulti in Wano was already YC2, and I'm going to explain Luffy's multipliers, giving quotes and arguments about it.

Just keep in mind that the post-Wano ultimate is logically stronger than that because of the exponential evolution through battles and extreme near-death experiences.

Post-Wano Ulti is definitely stronger and possesses better Haki than the Ulti who survived and regenerated after an attack from the Maser Saber, since she was much more injured and her Haki naturally increased.

An Ulti who excelled in a confrontation with Luffy using basic Haoshoku.

2- Scale Comparison Between Luffy in Ulti's Complete Zoan Form and Luffy in his Base Form.

Luffy starts in his base form against Ulti's Complete Zoan Form, and Luffy considers using Gear 4.

Ulti squeezes him casually and effortlessly, but he is unable to break free or move. Ulti isn't even trying.

3- Ulti's scaling against Gear Second and Gear Third.

・"Dame da Gear 4" is a Japanese phrase that, in the context of \*One Piece\*, can be translated into English as "No way, Gear 4" or "That won't work; I'll have to use Gear 4."

Details on the Gears and Ulti's Durability

Gear Second: Base form enhanced by Moria; 30 times faster than the base form.

Ulti would be able to handle this, even against advanced internal Ryou attacks.

Gear Third: Same logic applies regarding attack power.

Luffy thought that he wouldn't be able to defeat Ulti using only internal damage and advanced Armament Haki, stating that he would need Gear 4.

4- Shadow Multipliers (Luffy vs. Moria))(*First of all, are the calculations valid? In this context, yes, in the same arc the author gives us citations about this and feats that prove this multiplication against Moria and Doflamingo in the Gear 4 multiplier, It would only be irrelevant if it were an inconsistent outlier*)

Statements from Lola and other characters: 100 shadows make Luffy "several times" stronger (at least 2x).

Moria possesses 10 times the number of shadows Luffy had with 100 (making him 10 times stronger than Luffy with 100 shadows).

Base Moria > Base Luffy; shadows boost total combat power.

Calculation: 2x (100 shadows) x 10 (Moria) = 20x.

5- Gear 4 Limits and Ulti.

Gear 4 has a "many/several" multiplier (covering a 2x factor): 20x base × 2 = 40x (without internal Haki).

– Ulti's full Zoan form goes beyond the point where Luffy says he would definitely need Gear 4, yet he isn't terrified (it is possible to handle her in that state).

– Despite being surprised and sweating, he was certain he couldn't handle her in Gear Second—or at least thought it would be a fierce fight.

– Lola understands Luffy's powers and shadows: a guaranteed 3x multiplier.

\\- Moria obtained the strongest shadows; Lola took them from weak zombies, since she lacked the strength to take ones like Brook's, and it makes no sense for Moria to take the weaker ones (900 identical shadows, some stronger).

6- Future Sight vs. Gears (Katakuri)

Katakuri, with his advanced Observation Haki, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, against frontal attacks).

\\- A single blow: a trap that exploited distance and the body's ability to change shape—something Luffy hadn't expected to happen.

Katakuri, with his advanced Observation Haki, barely reacted to Snakeman's blows (only later, against frontal attacks).

\\- A single blow: a trap that exploited the distance and the body's ability to change shape—something Luffy didn't foresee—making it the fastest decisive attack of the entire fight.

\\- Snakeman's speed multiplier >>>> Future Sight > Gear Second.

\\- The Gears operate with the same baseline speed/force, altering only specific characteristics to boost particular attributes.

\\- ...but logically, they still retain that same superior speed multiplier relative to the base form.

\\- Since Katakuri couldn't react to Snakeman's body-morphing—only to standard frontal attacks.

Conclusão da Escala 7: Besides those multipliers, yes, Ulti is superior to Katakuri and Luffy's Holly Cake.

Luffy, with his more powerful Holly Cake, thanks to Luffy's natural exponential growth, took a one-shot and speed blitz from Kaido's Busoshoku.

While Luffy, in his base form atop Onigashima, was able to fight against Kaido.

This also scales to the ultimate form, being able to do this. As I've shown and proven, the Gears are far superior to the base form. Even if we multiply by minimums using the word "multiple times Stronger"

It would be 2x, so it would be 2x2=4x2=8 without considering the improvement of advanced observation haki and internal ryou.

Ulti grew stronger after Wano with Haki (she withstood all types of attacks + Youkou in her hybrid form).

Law and Luffy in Gear 4 are quickly blitzed(\*Outpaced and not a perception blitz\*) by Zeus (weaker than Hera); Ulti is not, as she senses the attack approaching.

Big Mom casually blitzes Kid, but not Ulti, even though she's furious.

Ulti outside of Wano is definitely more absurd.

It was good to use katakuri as a comparison for the stupid discussion of who is stronger.

In summary, considering everything after her ultimate, she's YC2, but how strong do you think she is after Wano? Where she fought a lot and took a lot of hits?

Yes, Wano's ultimate is superior to Jack's for me, and logically it's more absurd after Wano.

1- Direct Comparison of Feats.

Durability/Regeneration: Ulti withstands Big Mom's Maser Saber (full Youkou form).

She regenerates and returns stronger with a Haki boost.

Jack? He withstood Inuarashi once (before using his powers), but was defeated and failed at Onigashima.

Even in Japanese, "Ulti" indicates that Yamato's Conqueror's Haki is half the strength of Kaido's Bagua.

Confrontations: Ulti faces Luffy's Haoshoku + advanced Ryou (reminding him of Gear 4)—a version of Luffy who would go on to face Kaido and is far superior to Katakuri.

Haki and Speed: Ulti reacts to Zeus (Luffy was pre-Gear 4/Law during the lightning attack), yet cannot withstand a casual lightning attack from Big Mom.

Jack is incredibly slow, unable to match the speed of the Sulong Minks—who scale below the Luffy that fought Kaido.

Luffy's Haki evolves after Wano (he survives everything and levels up), whereas Jack stagnates as a "low-tier All-Star."

Arc Context

Jack is the weakest of the confirmed All-Stars, Ulti (Flying Six) excels in confrontations with Luffy/Katakuri > Jack's best (against the Minks).

To say that Jack is above her doesn't make sense considering her feats against Ashura Douji and Sulongs, and even Luffy's own base form against Kaido.

For Oda? Well, Ulti is new and it wouldn't be in her best interest to advance in her role if she were to stay with Page One.

She's smart. So, getting promoted would only lead to more people from the same crew targeting her.

Being one of the Tobiropos already gave her and Page One the fame and power necessary to live the comfortable life she wanted.

Comparing her to Whos Whos doesn't make sense,

Comparing her to Jack makes sense.

Ulti is definitely the strongest Tobiroppo.

As I've already proven with Luffy's scale, she has feats better than Jack's and, by extension, above whos whos.(\*Even if we disregard Jack, it's obvious that Luffy is who's who\*.)

Whos Whos was devastated by a Jinbe attack with medium difficulty at most.

Meanwhile, Ulti took a serious hit from Big Mom and regenerated.

Furthermore, she received repeated blows from Zeus, which affected all the Supernovas and defeated some with a single strike.

Even the speed of Big Mom's Hommes is something Ulti was able to perceive, but Whos Whos would be defeated with a single blow.

He wouldn't get up and take a perception blitz.

She was only imprisoned later, probably because Whos Whos was more numerous and likely used Page One as a hostage.

This fight, if not pure cowardice, may even have strengthened her.

Finally, she is definitely superior to Whos Whos, since Yamato used Busoshoku to one-shot her, while he didn't use Haki against Whos Whos.

Jack also says that the scabbards are superior to all the tobiropos, obviously ulti is a factual exception, since we have been shown that she is superior.

This means that any sheath was superior to whos whos, and it is proven that denjiro, inu base, neko base, and ashura douji were equals to or superior to Jack.

The sulongs were far superior.

And as I've already proven with Luffy, Luffy outperformed the scabbards.

So ulti>>>all

(\*She also has an interesting feat of exchanging blows with Yamato for a considerable period, and the anime shows her being overpowered. But I don't think that affects her overall strength. Despite that It's impressive and absurd.\*)

She became Yamato's right-hand woman and will fight alongside her in the final war.

This is, at the very least, a significant narrative leap.

Conclusion. Because it is superior to the sulongs, who are massively superior to Jack, who is a YC3 along with the strongest sheaths, this means that ulti would be YC2.

Since the sulongs randomized jack

Whos Whos is inferior to all the scabbards, inferior to Jack, and massively inferior to the Sulongs and Luffy from Onigashima.

How much stronger is she post-Wano?

The first and last images are what they use as the basis for the headcanon. Harald said that, but he never I said that in that context.

He literally says

"Kill me and take the throne!! ...Loki!!!"

お前が殺し「王座」に就け!! …ロキ!!!(Omae ga koroshi "ouza" ni tsuke!! …Roki!!

And that's what people use to say something.

But here comes the most important part.

"Tell the citizens how foolish I was!! Kill me and gain your fame!!!"

おれがいかに愚かな王だったか!! 国民に伝え!! おれを殺して名を上げろ!!!(Ore ga ikani oroka na ou datta ka!! Kokumin ni tsutae!! Ore wo koroshite na wo agero!!!)

It's never about power. But about the weight and what Loki will do afterward.

"I don't care about my reputation after I die!!! What really matters..."

んだ後の私の評判などどうだっていい!!! 大切なのは(Shinda ato no watashi no hyouban nado dou datte ii!!! Taisetsu na no wa)

"...It's the future of Elbaf...!!! Isn't that right?!!!"

「エルバフ」の未来だ…!!! そうだろう?!!!(“Erubafu” no mirai da…!!! Sou darou?!!!)

Here Harald is literally justifying his request, which is not about power, but about the citizens.

"How far are you going to plan this...?!"

アンタどこまで…!!(Anta doko made…!!)

Loki REACTS TO THIS SHIT!

This is their conversation here.

"I beg you, Loki!! Only you can do this!!!"

頼んだぞロキ!! お前にしかできない!!!(Tanonda zo Roki!! Omae ni shika dekinai!!!)

This is where Harald finally says it. But as you've noticed, the context is always about destroying Harald's image with the truth.

And to construct the image of Loki as a savior here.

Loki is the ONLY one who can do that.

But the fandom's agenda and dishonesty are so impressive that they distort everything in the manga; the Elbaf arc perfectly demonstrated this.

What Harald said here is that Loki (obviously while within Elbaf, since he isn't omnipotent) is the only person capable of killing Harald if he obtains the fruit (the capabilities of which are unknown to him). It makes sense that he is having Loki do this, given Loki's ancient giant lineage and his relationship with Harald. However, this simply means he believes that—among the options available in Elbaf—Loki is the only one with the potential to pull it off if he gets the fruit. Which brings me to my next point.

It should be clear and obvious that being capable of killing someone does not equate to being stronger than them. Kaido is fully capable of killing Roger or Whitebeard, but does that mean he is stronger? Not based on that alone. Any top-tier fighter has the capacity to kill another top-tier fighter (with the possible exception of Imu, pending further information). Just because one character says another *could* do something, it doesn't mean they believe themselves to be inferior. That isn't how power scaling works. In fact, consider the reverse scenario: Roger cannot kill Sommers. Does that mean Sommers is stronger than Roger simply because he is immortal? No. That doesn't make Roger inferior.

Like others, I believe the way Loki killed Rocks was due to some ability of the fruit. Harald was saying "Loki is the ONLY one who can" without even confirming if he had already obtained the fruit. Rocks specifically needed that fruit to face Imu; Loki explicitly affected the contract. I highly doubt it was just Haki, given how this fruit is being portrayed.

Ragnir's Statement

We have no confirmation that Harald actually tried to fight Ragnir. It would be a good statement if Harald had made it, because it shows that Loki could do something that Harald It couldn't be.

Speaking about the Harald vs. Loki fight itself, I made a long post about it.

But Harald literally only took one attack; his contract was affected, and he didn't retaliate again.

Since his arm was cut off (\*so much so that when the arm regenerates, there's a close-up of the contract and Harald says that Imu's control is returning\*)

At speed? The soldiers hit Harald.

So there's no quantifiable achievement here.

In terms of durability? According to the fandom, Harald HK was letting himself be injured by soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

So there's no deed here, since Harald is letting himself be hurt ACCORDING TO THE FANDOM.

If Harald wasn't letting himself get hurt, then Gabban, Shanks, and the soldiers really did pierce his durability.

And so Loki remains unquantifiable.

Another point is that there aren't even any indications of haki on the axe.

According to the fandom, indicators don't matter and the person is using haki all the time.

So Harald really did have his leg casually ripped off by Shanks and Gabban.

No excuses about "activation" since Harald had already activated Haki in the first Clash against Loki.

If that was the activation, then that comes along with the indicators and logic of "why it was deactivated."

If that logic holds true, then he didn't disable it during the first Clash, and the lack of indicators is irrelevant.

He was also pierced, his durability, AP, and speed being surpassed by the soldiers, Shanks, and Gabban.

If Harald really wasn't using haki, given that the fandom's interpretation is selective, then the clues really do matter.

Well... The second option is self-explanatory.

This would mean that Harald did not use haki and Loki did not overcome him.

Conclusion: Harald is not inferior and never admitted inferiority to Loki.

Who wins and at what diff?

Yamato is highly underrated.

Usually placed in the YC+ category, which is a category that makes no sense for most characters placed there, Law and Kid as examples, characters who literally fought and actually injured 2 Yonko.

While Akainu was having problems with Whitebeard, Kizaru had no offensive power, and Aokiji was having trouble with an old man who was only not worse than Whitebeard in durability because he didn’t have cancer.

Kizaru did not surpass, equal, or compare to Luffy’s attributes, while Yamato DID that with Kaido.

Literally matching in strength, offensive power and speed, or being comparable.

Moving on to the real accomplishments.

1—one-shotting Ulti.

As I also need to emphasize, as I did with Kaido, Roger and Big Mom.

Yamato didn’t use Haoshoku here, since there are no black lightning emanating from inside the weapon (what we saw against Kaido and which is a real indicator, since it literally represents the difference between Roger and Oden. Not using black lightning or onomatopoeias, there was no Haoshoku; in the next panel of Roger vs. Whitebeard, there are black lightning emanating.)

There’s also no onomatopoeia “bari bari,” which is used in Roger vs. Whitebeard, which described the indicators of Haoshoku.

So, that was a feat of pure Busoshoku.

The Admirals NEVER, I repeat, NEVER demonstrated that level of offensive power against anyone, much less against Haki.

Their Busoshoku, at best, was refined, but durability, power, speed? Unknown...

Because in offensive power, she landed a decisive blow with Ulti,

which was actually equivalent to a base-form Luffy, capable of fighting Kaido, something Gear 4 pre-Wano could not do.

This also means that Ulti is superior to the blades, as well as to Jack, Neko and Inu Sulong.

And no, Jack’s citation doesn’t work if it’s inconsistent with his own power and ranking; let’s base it on his achievements.

At best, that places the blades above the other Tobiroppo. Ulti is a YC2, since Neko and Inu in Sulong form were able to randomize Jack.

Yamato in AP had the greatest Busoshoku feat in the series, surpassing even Roger’s Busoshoku in factual terms, but Oden did tie with Whitebeard’s Busoshoku and was cited more seriously than the Admirals.

So I still consider Roger the apex of Busoshoku. That’s it, speed.

Kaido is superior to Roger in AP in this blackened Busoshoku.

Yamato is superior in blackened Busoshoku (hardening) to Kaido and Big Mom in demonstrated feats.

Remember that this was the supreme Zoan, and she was not only defeated with a single blow, but also knocked unconscious.

This supreme was superior to Gear 2 and Gear 3.

Since Luffy himself said he would have to use Gear 4 to deal with the full supreme Zoan form. (Yamato, with the Kairoseki chains weakened, defeated it with a single blow in that supreme)

2—Physical strength: besides Kaido’s genes, she has something that really proves her physical strength, while Kaido overcame Oden’s resilience purely with physical strength.

Yamato actually did this with the Who’s Who.

He would be Jack’s challenger, so they should have similar powers.

Again. No Admirals have this.

She also easily stopped the Elephant Gun.

That was done while she was still using the Kairoseki Chains (remember).

3—Ulti logically became stronger afterwards, since her Haki must have been strengthened.

And even so, Yamato parried her blows easily.

She defeated her off-screen (this was shown in the anime) with ease.

4—Kaido vs Big Mom: Kaido didn’t suffer any damage, but he only fought seriously against Yamato and Luffy, and only fought seriously before the PK-level aerial strike of 1027.

So yes, Yamato’s hybrid Kaido is superior to the base Kaido who fought Big Mom (who wasn’t even trying hard).

5—Did Kaido really use as much power against Yamato?

Yes. Everything? No.

Still, it’s light-years ahead of everything the Admirals have demonstrated in the work.

Luffy was defeated in the third round against Kaido after awakening Haoshoku and was thrown out of Onigashima. Kaido says: “It’s been a while since I’ve been this excited.”

Later, at the start of the confrontation with Yamato, he says: “I’m not going easy on you, Yamato!”

Kaido was gradually increasing the release of his own power.

That’s how he enjoyed himself.

Later, she asks if her father is trying to kill her.

He confirms. Of course, there’s a misinterpretation here. It doesn’t mean he wanted to pulverize her. But he definitely wouldn’t go easy on her, that’s what Oda means. Anyway, Oda made it clear three times that Kaido was actually trying to do something against Yamato.

The fact that he wasn’t using everything he has is irrelevant. Mentioning that is useless; it’s obvious he is not using everything he has.

Everyone knows that.

But he was still being absurd with the power he was exerting.

Kaido was literally in hybrid form, a form they say he only uses when he fights seriously.

6—Using pure Haki, Yamato in her base form later clashes with hybrid Kaido.

Something she repeated later in another painting, showing she was consistent.

In her base form, she also matched Luffy’s Gear 4 in an attack and caused part of the damage against Kaido.

At that speed, Yamato in base form was able to keep up with Kaido’s movements and warn Luffy.

Kaido was really taking it seriously. (Chapter 1045)

7—Yamato, in her hybrid form, demonstrates being able to match the speed and power of Kaido’s Thunder Bagua.

Which is consistent with the fact that she invoked her Haimme no Hakke in base form with 4 trigrams.

(Kaido’s Japanese has 8 trigrams.)

—Even when Yamato is finally subdued by Kaido, she manages to stay standing and active for the rest of the arc.

—Boro Breath. Here’s a very relevant part: Momo’s Boro Breath, which is extremely weaker than Kaido’s, was able to blow up Aramaki.

He would have suffered severe damage if Momonosuke had Haki.

While Yamato, in her hybrid form, simply dissipated Kaido’s Boro Breath with her own ice Boro Breath.

She would have landed a decisive hit on Aramaki in a real fight, especially because her ice is more resilient than normal.

8—Yamato simply broke Kaido’s jaw.

Something no Supernova or Big Mom would be able to do in a tiebreaker.

This is confirmed by the purple kanji on the boki and by the anime, which shows Kaido repositioning his jaw.

I would say that feat is better than Kid’s, who simply had greater reach, but was facing a Big Mom who initially didn’t use advanced Haki or even Busoshoku Haki.

Obviously, that also surpasses Law’s Room durability negation.

Kaido is stronger than Big Mom anyway.

And that definitely surpasses Zoro.

9—Conclusion: She is superior to all the Admirals; Aokiji was being attacked with Garp-level speed and dominated even by a Garp without Haoshoku.

While Big Mom kept pace with Kaido, who was fighting against Gear 5, she also reacted to Kaido earlier, who is one of, if not the best in combat speed in the universe.

(Due to Kaido’s multiple high-speed attacks against Law, Luffy Snakeman and Gear 5.) Besides attacking Luffy at high speed and easily overcoming the Supernovas and the Red Scabbards. Red Scabbards, in this case, YC3 or YC2 (Neko and Inu Sulong)

Whitebeard — he was slower than all the other Admirals, but comparable.

It’s all the same. Akainu was the slowest of the original Admirals trio.

Because he is the closest in speed to Whitebeard.

—Aramaki has nothing to say, Momonosuke and Yamato demonstrated they could handle him in terms of speed.

—Fujitora has no relevant feats.

—Kizaru was outsped by a Yonko.

I explained this in two posts; he never exceeded Gear 4’s speed, he escaped Gear 5, Gear 5 covered the distance of his movement speed and exceeded Kizaru’s attack speed.

Later, after Vegapunk’s death, Luffy did the same thing, intercepting Kizaru’s light transformation.

And also dodged his attack and Saturn’s attack at the same time.

Kizaru was completely outpaced in speed by a Yonko. Yamato really matched Kaido’s level.

2—In terms of offensive power, Akainu, so praised for his offensive power, is nothing impressive against Whitebeard.

He simply couldn’t pierce the whole body of an old man who didn’t have Resistance Haki; he only managed to go through the front part.

Against Aokiji, he tore off a leg after 11 days of fighting.

But, given his lack of resistance, that’s the minimum necessary for victory.

While Yamato demonstrated the ability to break the jaw of someone much superior to her, that is, Kaido.

Besides directly matching the Thunder Bagua and making Kaido bleed and fall.

Aokiji is nothing impressive.

He simply punched Garp and caused less significant damage than Shiryu.

Yes, his final damage was derived from durability negation and would never happen against Yamato’s armor ice or even against Garp in a 1-on-1.

Irrelevant.

—Even with internal damage or durability negation, Kizaru couldn’t do more than scratch Gear 4, and even with his strongest physical attack, Kizaru caused no damage to Gear 4.

—Aramaki’s moves are more focused on lethality and special abilities. Maybe he could have done something with piercing attacks against King, but we didn’t see how the fight ended, so that would be speculation.

—Fujitora is nothing impressive.

3—Strength... Well, it’s self-explanatory. The point about strength was quite brief, so I don’t even need to elaborate.

4—Durability.

—Kizaru was knocked down by a single blow from a yonko using Haoshoku Haki without internal or external emission.

While Yamato withstood repeated blows from Kaido.

Later, Kizaru also fell with a simple Haki of the King punch and bled due to an invisible grip of Haoshoku Haki.

—Akainu was devastated by Whitebeard, his eyes went white, he coughed and collapsed to the ground.

He stayed away until Whitebeard’s death.

He was defeated.

—Aramaki? ...Momonosuke. That was undoubtedly the worst.

Aokiji has no flaws, he is really good. But inferior to Yamato. Since the only blow he received from Haoshoku was from a projectile (Blue Hole), it wasn’t a direct blow like Pizarro’s.

—Fujitora. He has no achievements.

5—I’ve already talked about everything; all that remains is durability, versatility, etc., but I will not say anything more.

But Kizaru has good resistance. Unlike Aokiji, who didn’t demonstrate any.

6—Conclusion: Yonko level.

She achieved more than ALL the Admirals.

And that would handle even Garp and Sengoku of the Fleet. (Individually) Rayleigh and Gabban, as old as they were, wouldn’t stand a chance. Old Rayleigh = Kizaru.

There’s no way to put her at the same level as the Admirals and Yonko.

Not even as a Fleet Admiral. Since a fleet admiral is very similar to a normal admiral.

Kong’s position is a good candidate, not yet confirmed, for a level.

But anyway. Let’s simplify and say she is a “low-level Yonko” or “mid-level Yonko.”

I doubt Shanks would defeat her easily.

He doesn’t have the offensive power or speed for that. Much less defense or resistance to escape unscathed.

I also think she would handle Loki, since Loki only has one feat, a single blow to Harald’s arm that affected the contract.

Which can only be quantified in offensive power or speed like the level of regular soldiers.

No, Harald never said Loki could defeat him; he only said Loki would be the only one who could take the throne and tell the people how useless a king he was (in his own words).

Dragon has no feats, but has the scale and narrative to build a case around that too.

The Admirals have no way to break through her ice armor.

And if she coated a Kanabo and launched a named attack with emission?

Repeated damage would be devastating.

Whitebeard would come out with broken bones. As would all the Admirals.

Finally, Yamato has Haoshoku, something only elite admirals possess; none of the other admirals have it.

—You may not consider her Yonko-level, but YC+ makes no sense at all; she is at least top Admiral level or top Fleet Admiral level.

(The casual, nameless shield of a wounded and tired Yamato {vigor affects all Devil Fruits} surpassed the durability of Big Mom)

Since 25-year-old Shanks was casually able to nullify Harald's immortality.

I believe Yamato would also be superior to the Gorosei; at worst, he could freeze them after dismembering or beating them.

She broke Kaido's jaw, so she should be able to surpass the durability of Warcury, which ignored Luffy's blackened Busoshoku Nika.

She could freeze nerfed Emeth, and her ice is superior to Nasjuro's and Aokiji's.

Mars has no feats. He's the fugitive of the Goroseis. Ju Peter is a monster in ap, but a role in durability.

It would be easy to deal with.

Saturn has Kizaru's speed and superior AP and Haki. But it shouldn't be capable of causing lethal damage, at worst a high-mid difference.

Not ranked in order necessarily, not a gauntlet

Pre Timeskip versions

R1: No heals No stamina recharge

R2: No heals but full stamina after each fight

Shamrock is stated to be stronger than Shanks 14 years ago . Shanks never got the covenant making him already weaker , but he went on to lose his arm as well . We have to assume linear growth as nothing else indicates otherwise . Therefore : Shamrock > Shanks >Loki

R1 : Gunko

R2 : Imu possessed Gunko

R1 : No heals but full Stamina after each fight

R2 : Full Heal after each fight

-> Desert Spada consists in Crocodile essentially turning his hand into a high-speed, pressurized blade of sand he drives into the ground.

It basically works like a sand-based high-speed projectile, literally cutting through anything in its path. A sand attack that sliced through Alubarna's Royal Palace stone like it was butter.

And Luffy, in a final assault, pulverized those sand blades with bare fists, turning them into regular sand upon contact.

I see all the hallmarks of a CoA usage here.

I really don't understand the fandom's frenzy regarding Kizaru.

I could understand something like Kaido being a weaker Yonko; underestimating him makes sense when you consider his actual accomplishments.

Luffy didn't use any named techniques here, so you can already rule out Kizaru completely overcoming Gear 4.

Since the brilliance of the snakeman lies precisely in redirecting attacks.

And the named coups only exacerbate this.

What Kizaru did was exactly what Katakuri did: he matched the regular Gear 4 attacks.

Katakuri and Kizaru faced this head-on; subsequently, Katakuri overcame it, not with speed, but with prediction and battle qi, using the very logic of redirection.

And even the final blow came with that same logic.

Unlike Kizaru, who literally only exchanged blows once, irrelevant in One Piece, Marco exchanged blows with the admirals and two youkous; he's not even comparable to them.

2-The lack of named attacks also proves the lack of use of Observation Haki advanced; you can't use emotional or narrative logic (\*Kizaru surpassing Gear 4\*) since neither of them were true here.

Since Kizaru didn't surpass Gear 4 narratively and Luffy wasn't emotionally desperate to use everything he had.

Using that logic is simply dishonest; even in other story arcs, he didn't use everything he had.

If that had truly been Oda's intention, he would have shown it explicitly Or rather, he did it twice with Kaido. Oda is incredibly accurate with powerscaling.

3-I said that Kizaru was approaching Katakuri's feat in comparison to how it happened (\*not in terms of power level\*), but I lied; in the scene... Kizaru didn't even make contact with Luffy, thanks to zoteku for this conclusion and clarification about the scene.

There's no proof that this contact occurred, and there was no clash either. Luffy only dodged the lasers and was preparing his attack as usual, but Kizaru retreated, once again similar to the previous scenario Katakuri's reaction after realizing he was inferior in speed (\*this doesn't imply that Kizaru was inferior in speed. I have no way of measuring that, I'm just stating it\*)

Kizaru retreated before the technique could be activated. In other words, he wasn't even faster; Katakuri used the same tactic, but with a different movement. Kizaru retreated, while Katakuri advanced.

Luffy couldn't react to Katakuri because he hadn't expected it, and his arms were already compromised, both literally—defenseless and out of reach—and also because he was focused on Offensive.

With Kizaru, it was the opposite, Kizaru retreated,

Just as the attack was about to conclude on Kizaru's body, it transformed into light.

Luffy could have continued attacking and prevented him from gaining distance to increase his speed.

But that's not what happens because of Luffy's confusion.

So this is a scenario where the Gear 4 really hasn't been surpassed in any way.

Actually. The regular Gear 4 without named moves came pretty close to hitting Kizaru.

4- Ockam's razor...

Gear 5 >>> Gear 4. So Luffy needed to use it. Ehhh nope.

Luffy didn't use any named attacks. So the narrative logic and Oda's intention must be that. It's already been debunked here.

And moving on to the issues of the fight itself.

Since Luffy wasn't desperate to deal with Kizaru with the time he had, he simply laughed and threw Kizaru away.

The clones don't prove that; in fact, Luffy also dealt with them and only got distracted so Kizaru could escape. So Luffy was still superior.

Ironically, Luffy also did not demonstrate the use of advanced Haki.

When Kizaru gave Luffy food, Luffy returned with a simple, blackened Busoshoku sword, already throwing Kizaru with a single punch.

He easily dodged Saturn and Kizaru at the same time.

So there are no comparisons here.

If there was a real need and Kizaru's condition was urgent, he would be dead or in a coma, because Luffy would use named attacks and actually give him attention.

But he was more concerned about Saturn.

Mostly dead kaido, after taking hits for an entire arc, wasn't even fully knocked out by it. He's still in dragon form while flashing back.

Kaido also showed us how to get luffy to let go of you so you can dodge, and then he didn't even bother.

All in all it's a pretty terrible attack that probably doesn't even one shot an admiral.

Enel does not have access to the Arc Maxim here, so no Raigo.

Some low tier matchup.