🇪🇺 No, Russia Could Not Take The Baltics - Even with a potential US withdrawal. But it’s unclear whether Putin knows this.
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🇪🇺 No, Russia Could Not Take The Baltics - Even with a potential US withdrawal. But it’s unclear whether Putin knows this.

Hi everyone, I hope it's OK to share this here. I wrote a blog post about my assessment on how Europe would react if Russia ever tried to invade the Baltics.

“Don’t poke the bear!” Russians and their Western supporters - and fearers - liked to repeat it even before the full-scale invasion. After more than four years of war and crossing every imaginary “red line” without consequences, it has become a meme at this point. The line implies that Russia is a deadly beast that has the power to lash out violently if threatened, capable of killing whoever “pokes” it.

If Russia is a bear, then Europe is a sleeping dragon. It started dozing off after 1945 and militarily and geopolitically speaking went into deep sleep after the collapse of the Soviet Union. 2022 took the dragon totally off-guard, but the dangers weren’t grave enough to make it wake up, it merely entered its REM sleep phase.

I already shared my long take about a possible Russian invasion of the Baltics, but as the topic has the habit of re- and resurfacing, I felt the urge to expand on it.

Most public debate on the topic envisions Moscow pressuring the region in order to force Europe to stop further aid to Ukraine. Despite it being understandably a more concrete and pressing threat, this - in my opinion - is much less likely than the scenario I will outline.

A limited incursion or bombing campaign against EU and NATO territories would have a much less decisive benefit for Russia, while it would still mobilize increased European support for Ukraine. The lesson the continent would learn from it wouldn’t be that Russia is strong and we should just give in, but that Russia is a threat that needs to be dealt with, and the best way to do so is by arming Ukraine and boosting defence spending.

Let’s imagine a scenario that puts Russia in the best realistic position.

US President Trump or Vance manages to cut a deal with Putin. Russia agrees to a ceasefire on the current line in exchange for US withdrawal from the Baltics and Poland, easing of sanctions, and the normalisation of relations. While this would create widespread anxieties in Eastern Europe, a renewed crisis in EU-US relationships, and further weaken NATO by decisively putting Washington’s security guarantees in question, the continent can finally breathe a sigh of relief. The war is over, Russia managed to accept that they cannot take Ukraine, and has no more reason to threaten Europe, right?

But what if Putin didn’t see it that way? What if instead of demobilizing he would rapidly reconstitute his forces from Ukraine to Belarus and Russia’s north-western borders with the Baltics? He might conclude that with NATO castrated, a friendly administration in Washington, and a Europe still in its early phase of rearmament, this is the right moment to strike and change European security architecture favourable to Moscow.

What would be his goal? The pretext might be something between the good old “protection of Russian minorities”, and the “creation of a humanitarian corridor” to Kaliningrad. His true objective would likely be to force NATO troops to fully withdraw from the region, giving the organisation a final blow, while also weakening EU unity and cohesion, creating a divided continent. This would create a reality where Russia is the de facto “security guarantor” of Eastern Europe, and use this as leverage to influence its politics. Basically, the return of the Eastern Bloc as a buffer.

Putin’s base thesis is that the “West” and its democracies are in inevitable decline. Europeans are not ready for war, and there is little to no societal resolve to defend the Baltics. Sort of “he only needs to kick the door in, and the whole system would collapse”.

How would this play out?

Let’s assume Moscow gave an ultimatum for European capitals to withdraw their forces from the Baltics while amassing its troops near the border. How would these countries react? It is possible that they might start negotiations with Russia, but it’s extremely unlikely that they would comply. The best Putin could achieve would be the status quo, and the blocking of extra troops fearing escalation. 

Then day one comes, Russian forces cross the EU border in a full-scale invasion of all three Baltic states. Putin gives another long speech watched by the entire world where he threatens to use nukes and immediate long-range strikes on Berlin, Paris, London, and anyone who is willing to engage the Russian military.

This might cause an immediate political crisis in European capitals. Perhaps many would call for an urgent troop withdrawal from the Baltics, and assuming that Russia manages to avoid killing their soldiers already stationed there, it could avoid creating an immediate rally around the flag effect. Fear might override the resolve in the vast majority of European societies. It is already a big if, but dangerously plausible enough to run with the assumption.

However, there are nations that would not be deterred, and immediately treat any kind of incursion or attack on the Baltics as an attack on themselves. This would certainly include Poland, Finland, Sweden, and crucially Ukraine. No matter what other countries do, they would do everything possible to make sure that Russia cannot reach its objectives. It would be an existential issue for them from day one.

Similarly, EU institutions would unavoidably treat it as an attack on the whole Union. Brussels cannot accept a hostile country invading any part of its territory. It would create a deadly precedent that delegitimises its entire raison d'être as a guarantor of peace.

Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Finnish, and Swedish officials occupy key positions in Brussels, and they would do everything in their power to push for a collective response. Let’s not forget that an Estonian, Kaja Kallas serves as the EU's chief diplomat. She guides the Union's common foreign and security policy and external action. She would immediately use her full political capital to make sure the EU will be mobilized to protect her country.

All in all, there would be enormous pressure from multiple directions that pushes EU institutions and member states to respond decisively.

As the days and weeks pass, it will become clear to everyone that the Baltics are not going to surrender, its population is ready to fight, and Finland, Sweden, and Poland will not back down either. Europeans would start seeing Russian bombardments and killings in EU territory. They couldn’t just ignore that nations they share decades long alliances and a common Union with are getting murdered.

These nations have not only been friendly for as long as they can remember, but essentially family. In Germany alone there are two million Poles. Many of them already have German family members, and all of them have German colleagues and acquaintances. This is true for other parts of Western Europe as well and other nations involved. 

The citizens alone would put a massive pressure on European capitals, but probably not the main one. I find it certain that Denmark, Norway, and the UK would shortly join the war as well. Geography and national identities would pull them in if NATO Article 5 wasn’t binding enough. This would create another wave of pressure on individual Europe states. As more and more countries join unilaterally, they would also start pushing everyone else for support. It would create a domino effect that couldn’t stop in Copenhagen or London.

The EU proved it time and time again that it can pull itself together to find money and political will to deal with a crisis. This was showcased clearly during the pandemic and then the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. It’s impossible to imagine that Brussels would not treat this at the very least as seriously as those two instances. 

Just for the pandemic recovery fund the Union managed to come up with €750 billion, and provided $226 billion in financial, military, humanitarian, and refugee assistance to Ukraine. €100s of billions would immediately be allocated for the war and eventually it would likely reach into the trillions mark. Russia’s roughly €165 billion military spending would immediately be put to shame.

This is where the dragon would awaken. The only reason Europe was sleeping on defence was due to its conviction that the US would protect it, and Russia would not be a threat anyway. Both of these assumptions would collapse immediately.

There would be arguments, disagreements, and not everybody would provide the same level of support. Perhaps Spain, Portugal, or Greece would not be willing to send troops (they did participate in the war in Afghanistan though, one might assume that the Baltics would be a more important cause), but they would certainly send other assistance, and would not be able to justify inaction.

History teaches us that an external attack often leads to centralization and unification. The European identity’s foundation myth is based on a story like this. The Battle of Thermopylae that united the Greeks against the Persians. More than two millennia later Bismarck showed us that a talented political operator can even provoke an external attack to create a push for unification. Europe already has the pieces scattered for this unification to happen.

Ukraine

In this situation, it would be foolish to imagine them sitting on their hands. The first place the EU would turn to would be Kyiv. They have the experience, the will to fight, and they are the only ones capable of fighting the drone war of the 21st century. Ukraine would be flooded with orders for drones and demand to train European drone pilots.

Kyiv would also eagerly take the opportunity to reopen the frontline to take back its territory. Since Russia is threatening the entire continent, now Europe would be incentivised to encourage them to do so to distract Moscow.

Eventually, Ukraine would be the real winner of this war. It would lock in European support like nothing else could, and retaking its full territories would become a likely prospect. It would clearly showcase that the continent needs them, and would give a giant boost to its EU membership aspirations.

A European Army

A European Army already enjoys popular support across the EU. All it needs is a final push.

The European Union (without Norway and the UK) has 450 million people. More than three times as many as Russia, and an economy ten times larger. Even if we are pessimistic, this would mean millions - but more likely tens of millions - of people who are ready to take up arms to defend the continent, and an economic base that can easily support them.

Perhaps the initial phases might go poorly - however knowing how the Russian army fared in Ukraine and how prepared the immediately involved countries are, this is at least doubtful -, but Europe could sustain a war much longer than Russia can, simply by the size of its economy and population.

The longer the war would go on the worse the outcome would be for Moscow. Europe would eventually organise its defence, train and equip the millions of people ready to fight, create a coherent fighting force, and learn how to wage war.

At the same time this would create an emotionally powerful story for Europe. We fight and bleed together to defend our continent and our democracies against tyranny and barbarism. This civilisational founding myth would make the EU a potential global superpower akin to the US and China. What we lack in comparison to these giants is unity. The economy and potential already exists, and a clear external threat would create that urgency for unity.

Summary

Moscow cannot just attack the Baltics and get away with it, but Putin might see it very differently. Just like Saddam Hussein didn’t learn from his disastrous war against Iran and still started another disastrous war against Kuwait in just two years, we cannot rule out Putin doing the same.

Similar incentives might be at play as well: more than one million men at arms need a purpose or they might become a domestic threat. He might think it is better to wage another war than to demobilize and face the economic and societal consequences.

Europe’s most important task for the coming years is to make sure that the Kremlin understand what would happen if they invaded. We must prepare for war so we never have to fight it. We must do everything to deter Russia regardless of what the US is doing. Moscow must hear the message clearly: don’t wake up the dragon!

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 5 days ago

🇪🇺 About Ukrainian EU Accession - Current public debate regarding when it is allowed to happen misses the mark. The process became just as existential for Brussels as it is for Kyiv.

In many ways what led to war between Ukraine and Russia was the decision by Ukrainian society to pursue a democratic future in the European Union rather than to continue to live under oppressive, corrupt, and oligarchic Russian influence. 

In 2013, the Verkhovna Rada overwhelmingly voted to approve the finalization of the EU - Ukraine Association Agreement. This decisively signalled that Kyiv chooses Brussels over Moscow and its EU rival, the Eurasian Economic Union.

In the months leading up to the signing of the agreement, Moscow launched an intense economic blackmail campaign. Russia blocked critical Ukrainian imports at its borders, and threatened to cut off natural gas supplies and increase fuel prices. Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych folded under this pressure, and scrapped the deal just days before its signing. Instead, he accepted a personal bribe of $1 billion, a $15 billion financial bailout package, and a 33% discount on natural gas directly from Vladimir Putin, going against both popular will and the country’s democratic institutions.

This betrayal has sparked immediate outrage. Protesters flooded into Kyiv's Maidan Square, demanding European integration and the dismantling of Russia's influence in the country. Yanukovych decided to crush the protests by shooting in the crowd, which lead to his removal and eventual fleeing from the country.

The Revolution of Dignity succeeded, but Ukraine had little time to celebrate. Using the interim chaos as a pretext and opportunity Russian “Little Green Men” entered Crimea, swiftly took over the peninsula, and annexed it to Russia. Emboldened by this success, one month later Putin tried to replicate it in the Donbas, but the reorganised Ukrainian forces managed to stop them. The attempt failed, and ended with the creation of the Donbas mockublics.

From a Ukrainian perspective, the confrontation with Russia, the following annexation of Crimea and the war in Donbas, and now the full-scale invasion were always about the right to join the EU.

The Recent History of Ukrainian EU Accession

Before the events of 2013-2014 Ukrainian EU membership was nothing but an afterthought both in member states and in Brussels. It was certainly something for the EU to strive for geopolitically, but also an undertaking that would cause more issues than it was worth. A realistic Ukrainian EU accession was somewhere between that of Turkey and Bosnia.

After 2014 with a significant portion of Ukraine’s territory and population being under Russian occupation it became even more difficult. The bloc aimed to keep Moscow as a neutral and transactional partner and was careful not to antagonize it. Europe benefitted from buying a substantial amount of its gas and oil from Russia. This kept the continent under the delusion that economic entanglement would deter the Kremlin’s revisionist tendencies. In reality, it only emboldened them and made the country more stable, richer, and provided it with immense leverage over Europe.

After the 2022 full scale invasion, Ukrainian membership has begun to steadily rise in importance for Brussels as well. As the war dragged on it slowly but surely became not only Ukraine’s struggle but essentially the EU’s first own war as well. A Ukrainian defeat no longer meant only a disaster for Ukrainians, but also for Europeans, and especially for the European Union as an entity. It would be a significant prestige and legitimacy hit for Brussels along with a geostrategic nightmare having progressively more authoritarian and militaristic Russia with more than 140 million people strengthened with a Ukraine of 35 million people.

By 2026 this dynamic became even more pronounced. Europe effectively became the sole external guarantor and provider for Kyiv’s survival and its war efforts. Weapons production in Ukraine became tightly linked with the continent, and Kyiv possessed Europe’s most technologically advanced arms industry and the only military prepared for the wars of the 21st century.

The battle hardened country has found itself with enormous leverage over Europe. With the US becoming an unreliable ally at best, on whom it would be borderline suicidal to base the entire continent’s defence strategy, and an actual threat at worst demonstrated by Trump’s threats to take Greenland, Ukraine’s accession became a near existential issue. Today Ukraine has the only military and society who are both capable and determined to stop Russian imperial ambitions. With Washington creating a defence vacuum, Kyiv became the only one that can fill that gap on the short to medium timeframe.

The Member State’s Concerns

With Orbán out of the picture many hoped that the EU barricades in font of Ukraine would be demolished, but it just highlighted the fact that many other capitals are weary of letting Kyiv join as well. They often cite that it would be unjust for other aspiring members that have been waiting for decades. Besides ethical concerns, the real obstacles are about economics and internal politics.

One of the most difficult issues is the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Ukraine is called the “Breadbasket of Europe” for a reason. Under current rules its massive food production infrastructure would destabilize the EU’s agricultural subsidy system, causing major and potentially stinky political headaches in the member states capitals.

The CAP takes up nearly a third of the entire EU budget. If Ukraine were to join under the current framework, it would become the largest recipient of these funds. Current major beneficiaries like Poland, Spain, and Romania would transform into "net payers." As it became evident with the border blockades in Poland, cheap high-volume Ukrainian agricultural imports mobilise influential European farming lobbies, who wield massive leverage over their national governments.  

Other than the CAP, the financial burden of integrating Ukraine would be staggering on EU Cohesion Funds designed to lift poorer member states up to the EU average*.* Given the destruction of Ukraine's infrastructure, factories, and energy grid, Kyiv would consume much of this capital for decades. To fund this, Western European countries would either have to significantly increase their contributions to the EU budget or accept severe cuts to domestic European infrastructure projects. With voters already fatigued by inflation and slow growth, this is a huge issue for leaders in Paris, Berlin, and other net contributors.

Then there is the giant elephant in the room, the veto system. The EU is already struggling with institutional paralysis with 27 members under the current rule of unanimity for foreign policy, taxation, and budgeting, designed for only 6 countries. Orbán’s ghost will hunt European capitals for years to come. There are deep anxieties about bringing in a politically volatile country with an ongoing battle against corruption.

Many states also view Ukrainian accession as a potential security risk. The EU treaty contains its own mutual defence clause, Article 42.7. Bringing a country into the bloc while parts of its territory is occupied by a nuclear-armed Russia raises an uneasy legal question: will the EU automatically find itself at war?  

The EU’s Incentives

Integrating Ukraine is a geopolitical necessity to ensure the long-term survival of the European project.

The EU’s original raison d’être is to guarantee peace on the continent. The lesson from 2014 and 2022 is that strategic ambiguity doesn’t work, leaving aspiring members in a limbo invites conflict. Locking Ukraine into the EU’s legal, economic, and institutional framework as fast as possible is crucial to shrink Russia’s sphere of influence and deter future armed aggression. As an added factor, this deterrence only works with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and its unmatched defence sector.

Beyond immediate security considerations, the EU’s stated aim is to build strategic autonomy by derisking from China. Ukraine offers rich industrial and natural assets that the EU needs for the green and digital transitions. It holds massive reserves of lithium, titanium, cobalt, and rare earth elements. These are the raw materials needed for EV batteries and advanced electronics currently monopolized by China.

Not being able to integrate Ukraine would also deeply hurt the EU’s credibility on the world stage in a time when the old order is falling apart. The bloc spent half a decade providing hundreds of billions of Euros on aid, weapons, and based its entire foreign policy on promising Ukraine EU membership. If it started treating the country as one of the many aspiring members it cannot accept for decades, that would signal to Moscow, Beijing, and Washington that Brussels lacks the political will to follow through as a global actor.

Brussels’ Plans to Overcome the Obstacles

Ukraine’s accession is already de facto underway under a gradual integration model since 2022 February. Today Ukrainian citizens can practically work and travel freely in the EU, and use their mobile plans without roaming charges. The country is in the final stages to join SEPA, and is gradually gaining access to the EU Single Market.

What is likely to follow is Kyiv’s increasing participation in EU agencies and committees as an observer without voting rights, and incremental access to specific funds tied to strict rule-of-law benchmarks. This approach protects member states from an overnight budget nightmare, while giving Kyiv tangible integration milestone achievements.

Eventual however, full Ukrainian membership or any EU enlargement cannot happen without significant EU reform. The most important part of this will be either the scrapping, or - with typical EU fashion - the muddying of veto powers. The Commission, currently backed by France and Germany, is pushing to replace unanimity with Qualified Majority Voting in areas like foreign policy and sanctions. This, however, will inevitably put the Brussels in direct conflict with smaller member states.

To address Common Agricultural Policy and the Cohesion Funds issues, it will be interesting to see what the next EU budget for 2028–2034 will look like. Brussels intends to restructure CAP away from land-mass-based subsidies which would heavily favour Ukraine's giant corporate farms toward cap-limits, environmental outcomes, and small-farmer protections. This restructuring intends to be designed specifically to prevent Western European farmers from being wiped out by Ukrainian competition.

Keep your Friends Close, or you’ll be Forced to Keep your Enemies Closer

With Ukraine becoming a European military heavyweight - beyond the obvious benefits of the country’s integration - keeping it out of the bloc poses some much less discussed dangers.

With the newfound and tested powers Ukraine possesses, halting its EU integration process runs the risk of gradually alienating the country and its society, forcing it to increasingly go its own way.

Ukrainians already began viewing the EU as a slow, ineffective, and often unreliable entity they need less and less to survive. If this trajectory continues with diminishing hopes for EU integration with a population radicalised and brutalized by war, the risk of the emergence of a radical leader will increasingly become a real possibility.

This possibility and its military potential and determination could transform the country into something that looks like the combination of Turkey and Israel. A powerful state that follows its own rules, and not afraid to use political and military blackmail - or even force - to get what it wants, increasingly destabilizing Europe. Together with being under constant existential danger like Israel (or Prussia) would create a total wild card on the EU’s borders. It would run the risk of transforming Eastern Europe into the Middle East.

Ukraine needs serious reforms to become a full member, and they are highly incentivised and proven capable to work towards that goal. But simultaneously the EU needs to reform itself as well. Without the latter the former process might stop entirely, making the continent a more dangerous place for everyone.

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 13 days ago
▲ 28 r/EuropeanForum+6 crossposts

🇪🇺 About Ukrainian EU Accession - Current public debate regarding when it is allowed to happen misses the mark. The process became just as existential for Brussels as it is for Kyiv.

In many ways what led to war between Ukraine and Russia was the decision by Ukrainian society to pursue a democratic future in the European Union rather than to continue to live under oppressive, corrupt, and oligarchic Russian influence. 

In 2013, the Verkhovna Rada overwhelmingly voted to approve the finalization of the EU - Ukraine Association Agreement. This decisively signalled that Kyiv chooses Brussels over Moscow and its EU rival, the Eurasian Economic Union.

In the months leading up to the signing of the agreement, Moscow launched an intense economic blackmail campaign. Russia blocked critical Ukrainian imports at its borders, and threatened to cut off natural gas supplies and increase fuel prices. Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych folded under this pressure, and scrapped the deal just days before its signing. Instead, he accepted a personal bribe of $1 billion, a $15 billion financial bailout package, and a 33% discount on natural gas directly from Vladimir Putin, going against both popular will and the country’s democratic institutions.

This betrayal has sparked immediate outrage. Protesters flooded into Kyiv's Maidan Square, demanding European integration and the dismantling of Russia's influence in the country. Yanukovych decided to crush the protests by shooting in the crowd, which lead to his removal and eventual fleeing from the country.

The Revolution of Dignity succeeded, but Ukraine had little time to celebrate. Using the interim chaos as a pretext and opportunity Russian “Little Green Men” entered Crimea, swiftly took over the peninsula, and annexed it to Russia. Emboldened by this success, one month later Putin tried to replicate it in the Donbas, but the reorganised Ukrainian forces managed to stop them. The attempt failed, and ended with the creation of the Donbas mockublics.

From a Ukrainian perspective, the confrontation with Russia, the following annexation of Crimea and the war in Donbas, and now the full-scale invasion were always about the right to join the EU.

The Recent History of Ukrainian EU Accession

Before the events of 2013-2014 Ukrainian EU membership was nothing but an afterthought both in member states and in Brussels. It was certainly something for the EU to strive for geopolitically, but also an undertaking that would cause more issues than it was worth. A realistic Ukrainian EU accession was somewhere between that of Turkey and Bosnia.

After 2014 with a significant portion of Ukraine’s territory and population being under Russian occupation it became even more difficult. The bloc aimed to keep Moscow as a neutral and transactional partner and was careful not to antagonize it. Europe benefitted from buying a substantial amount of its gas and oil from Russia. This kept the continent under the delusion that economic entanglement would deter the Kremlin’s revisionist tendencies. In reality, it only emboldened them and made the country more stable, richer, and provided it with immense leverage over Europe.

After the 2022 full scale invasion, Ukrainian membership has begun to steadily rise in importance for Brussels as well. As the war dragged on it slowly but surely became not only Ukraine’s struggle but essentially the EU’s first own war as well. A Ukrainian defeat no longer meant only a disaster for Ukrainians, but also for Europeans, and especially for the European Union as an entity. It would be a significant prestige and legitimacy hit for Brussels along with a geostrategic nightmare having progressively more authoritarian and militaristic Russia with more than 140 million people strengthened with a Ukraine of 35 million people.

By 2026 this dynamic became even more pronounced. Europe effectively became the sole external guarantor and provider for Kyiv’s survival and its war efforts. Weapons production in Ukraine became tightly linked with the continent, and Kyiv possessed Europe’s most technologically advanced arms industry and the only military prepared for the wars of the 21st century.

The battle hardened country has found itself with enormous leverage over Europe. With the US becoming an unreliable ally at best, on whom it would be borderline suicidal to base the entire continent’s defence strategy, and an actual threat at worst demonstrated by Trump’s threats to take Greenland, Ukraine’s accession became a near existential issue. Today Ukraine has the only military and society who are both capable and determined to stop Russian imperial ambitions. With Washington creating a defence vacuum, Kyiv became the only one that can fill that gap on the short to medium timeframe.

The Member State’s Concerns

With Orbán out of the picture many hoped that the EU barricades in font of Ukraine would be demolished, but it just highlighted the fact that many other capitals are weary of letting Kyiv join as well. They often cite that it would be unjust for other aspiring members that have been waiting for decades. Besides ethical concerns, the real obstacles are about economics and internal politics.

One of the most difficult issues is the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Ukraine is called the “Breadbasket of Europe” for a reason. Under current rules its massive food production infrastructure would destabilize the EU’s agricultural subsidy system, causing major and potentially stinky political headaches in the member states capitals.

The CAP takes up nearly a third of the entire EU budget. If Ukraine were to join under the current framework, it would become the largest recipient of these funds. Current major beneficiaries like Poland, Spain, and Romania would transform into "net payers." As it became evident with the border blockades in Poland, cheap high-volume Ukrainian agricultural imports mobilise influential European farming lobbies, who wield massive leverage over their national governments.  

Other than the CAP, the financial burden of integrating Ukraine would be staggering on EU Cohesion Funds designed to lift poorer member states up to the EU average*.* Given the destruction of Ukraine's infrastructure, factories, and energy grid, Kyiv would consume much of this capital for decades. To fund this, Western European countries would either have to significantly increase their contributions to the EU budget or accept severe cuts to domestic European infrastructure projects. With voters already fatigued by inflation and slow growth, this is a huge issue for leaders in Paris, Berlin, and other net contributors.

Then there is the giant elephant in the room, the veto system. The EU is already struggling with institutional paralysis with 27 members under the current rule of unanimity for foreign policy, taxation, and budgeting, designed for only 6 countries. Orbán’s ghost will hunt European capitals for years to come. There are deep anxieties about bringing in a politically volatile country with an ongoing battle against corruption.

Many states also view Ukrainian accession as a potential security risk. The EU treaty contains its own mutual defence clause, Article 42.7. Bringing a country into the bloc while parts of its territory is occupied by a nuclear-armed Russia raises an uneasy legal question: will the EU automatically find itself at war?  

The EU’s Incentives

Integrating Ukraine is a geopolitical necessity to ensure the long-term survival of the European project.

The EU’s original raison d’être is to guarantee peace on the continent. The lesson from 2014 and 2022 is that strategic ambiguity doesn’t work, leaving aspiring members in a limbo invites conflict. Locking Ukraine into the EU’s legal, economic, and institutional framework as fast as possible is crucial to shrink Russia’s sphere of influence and deter future armed aggression. As an added factor, this deterrence only works with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and its unmatched defence sector.

Beyond immediate security considerations, the EU’s stated aim is to build strategic autonomy by derisking from China. Ukraine offers rich industrial and natural assets that the EU needs for the green and digital transitions. It holds massive reserves of lithium, titanium, cobalt, and rare earth elements. These are the raw materials needed for EV batteries and advanced electronics currently monopolized by China.

Not being able to integrate Ukraine would also deeply hurt the EU’s credibility on the world stage in a time when the old order is falling apart. The bloc spent half a decade providing hundreds of billions of Euros on aid, weapons, and based its entire foreign policy on promising Ukraine EU membership. If it started treating the country as one of the many aspiring members it cannot accept for decades, that would signal to Moscow, Beijing, and Washington that Brussels lacks the political will to follow through as a global actor.

Brussels’ Plans to Overcome the Obstacles

Ukraine’s accession is already de facto underway under a gradual integration model since 2022 February. Today Ukrainian citizens can practically work and travel freely in the EU, and use their mobile plans without roaming charges. The country is in the final stages to join SEPA, and is gradually gaining access to the EU Single Market.

What is likely to follow is Kyiv’s increasing participation in EU agencies and committees as an observer without voting rights, and incremental access to specific funds tied to strict rule-of-law benchmarks. This approach protects member states from an overnight budget nightmare, while giving Kyiv tangible integration milestone achievements.

Eventual however, full Ukrainian membership or any EU enlargement cannot happen without significant EU reform. The most important part of this will be either the scrapping, or - with typical EU fashion - the muddying of veto powers. The Commission, currently backed by France and Germany, is pushing to replace unanimity with Qualified Majority Voting in areas like foreign policy and sanctions. This, however, will inevitably put the Brussels in direct conflict with smaller member states.

To address Common Agricultural Policy and the Cohesion Funds issues, it will be interesting to see what the next EU budget for 2028–2034 will look like. Brussels intends to restructure CAP away from land-mass-based subsidies which would heavily favour Ukraine's giant corporate farms toward cap-limits, environmental outcomes, and small-farmer protections. This restructuring intends to be designed specifically to prevent Western European farmers from being wiped out by Ukrainian competition.

Keep your Friends Close, or you’ll be Forced to Keep your Enemies Closer

With Ukraine becoming a European military heavyweight - beyond the obvious benefits of the country’s integration - keeping it out of the bloc poses some much less discussed dangers.

With the newfound and tested powers Ukraine possesses, halting its EU integration process runs the risk of gradually alienating the country and its society, forcing it to increasingly go its own way.

Ukrainians already began viewing the EU as a slow, ineffective, and often unreliable entity they need less and less to survive. If this trajectory continues with diminishing hopes for EU integration with a population radicalised and brutalized by war, the risk of the emergence of a radical leader will increasingly become a real possibility.

This possibility and its military potential and determination could transform the country into something that looks like the combination of Turkey and Israel. A powerful state that follows its own rules, and not afraid to use political and military blackmail - or even force - to get what it wants, increasingly destabilizing Europe. Together with being under constant existential danger like Israel (or Prussia) would create a total wild card on the EU’s borders. It would run the risk of transforming Eastern Europe into the Middle East.

Ukraine needs serious reforms to become a full member, and they are highly incentivised and proven capable to work towards that goal. But simultaneously the EU needs to reform itself as well. Without the latter the former process might stop entirely, making the continent a more dangerous place for everyone.

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 13 days ago
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🇺🇦 Ukraine in the Gulf and Beyond - How Kyiv’s position and leverage is growing on the world stage, and what this means for Europe

As things stand today Trump seems desperate to end the war with Iran (and perhaps move on to his next target, Cuba) ahead of the US midterm elections. Since Tehran is in much less of a hurry, and they have the upper hand with the closing of the Strait of Hormuz by which they keep the world economy hostage, the upcoming agreement will likely favour them.

Iran’s long-term strategic goal and current maximalist demand is the total US withdrawal from the region. This is unlikely to be part of the coming agreement, but with the damage they inflicted on US bases in the region and Washington’s diminishing public support for Middle East involvement, to a lesser extent this will be a probable practical outcome of the conflict either way.

The likely US concessions towards Iran currently involve the relaxation of sanctions, including some energy sanctions allowing Iranian oil back into the global market, and the partial release of Iranian frozen assets that are estimated to worth around 100 billion dollars

The New Gulf

This would put the Gulf States into an extremely uncomfortable security situation. These countries now increasingly see the US as an unreliable ally at best, and even as a security hazard. The question they are currently asking is “why is the US here exactly?”. At the same time American voters have been asking this for decades, and another failed war will make these voices even louder. The US’s general strategic plan of withdrawing from its previous position as “global police” will likely find new supporters. 

Iran established a precedent that it can bomb Gulf States, close the Strait of Hormuz and be rewarded for it. This runs the risk of emboldening Tehran to become more assertive. The Gulf monarchies will need to adapt to this new environment. They have only a handful of places they can look for who has the means to help with their security.

One of that is Israel. That comes with extreme baggage because of their never-ending conflict with the Palestinians. This has become even more significant because of the country’s increasingly violent actions since October 7th. Besides, the Gulf would have a good reason to view them as an amplified US: unreliable, aggressive, and more of a security risk than a guarantor.

Another potential is Russia, but they are Tehran’s closest partner. From the Kremlin's perspective, Iran is an irreplaceable geopolitical buffer and an arms supplier. Moscow cannot offer Riyadh or Abu Dhabi security guarantees against Tehran without blowing up its own war effort in Ukraine.

There is China. Beijing wants to buy oil from the region, but it has no capability or willingness to project hard power to protect the Gulf. Part of its foreign policy is calculated ambiguity. They will not pick Riyadh over Tehran when they need both for their energy security. 

Then there are European states that might provide weapons and some sort of diplomatic protection, but European defence manufacturing has the bad reputation of being slowed down by regulations, and political conditionality. The Gulf cannot wait years for a French or German air defence battery that might get blocked by a parliament over human rights concerns. 

There is one country that ticks all the boxes: Ukraine

They are the only ones with the technology and experience to combat Iranian missiles and drones. At this moment, it is a perfect match. Kyiv needs money and new partners to guarantee its survival after US betrayal, and with an often slow and indecisive Europe. Money which the Gulf States are very happy to provide for what they urgently need, and Ukraine has: weapons, expertise, and the incentive to deliver them fast.

No military on earth has more practical experience downing Iranian-designed loitering munitions than Ukraine. By early 2026, Russia had launched over 54,000 Shahed drones against the country’s infrastructure. To counter and adapt to these challenges they built the most sophisticated, low-cost counter-drone ecosystem in the world.

Kyiv is currently the global superpower of low-cost, high-velocity asymmetric warfare. They have spent years perfecting first-person view (FPV) and automated interceptor drones designed to ram and down loitering munitions at a fraction of the cost of a traditional missile.

Beyond the drones themselves they are world leaders in Electronic Warfare (EW) and Algorithmic Command and Control. They use battlefield-tested signal jamming that can drop swarms of drones without firing a single bullet, and use AI-assisted target recognition operating on decentralized networks.

What the Gulf is buying

Gulf procurement has generally focused on prestige platforms like F-15s, Patriot systems, and Littoral Combat Ships, optimised against high-end ballistic threats. The drone proliferation has exposed a critical gap: legacy interceptors costing millions per unit are being deployed against threats that cost under $3,000 to manufacture at scale.

The asymmetry is obvious. Ukrainian interceptor drones run between $800–$3,000 per unit. Zelenskyy stated in March 2026 that Ukraine could supply up to 1,000 units per day to international partners.

But hardware is only part of the equation. Layered drone defence requires trained operators, integrated command structures, and real-time coordination between sensors, interceptors, and electronic warfare. Operator training alone takes weeks, full integration with radar networks and digital situational awareness takes even longer. This is why Gulf-Ukraine cooperation has shifted from procurement to doctrine transfer: not just buying equipment, but acquiring the underlying model for fighting and sustaining a drone war.

The 10-year defence partnerships being finalized with Qatar and the UAE are built around joint production and technology localization - manufacturing lines both inside the Gulf and in secured facilities in Ukraine. Over the first half of 2026, Zelenskyy secured equivalent strategic agreements with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, with more than 200 Ukrainian specialists already embedded across the region integrating Ukrainian systems into Gulf airspace.

This helps Ukraine secure independent, long-term defence financing and stable revenues for its domestic arms industry outside of Western aid packages. It turns Ukraine into a critical security exporter for a region vital to Europe's energy stability.

That being said, the Gulf monarchies will adapt to the fragmented world system, and likely to diversify their defence investments beyond Ukraine.

The structural vulnerability

The primary risk for Kyiv is ensuring that the highly sensitive electronic warfare and AI algorithms shared with Gulf partners don't leak back to Russia. The UAE and Saudi Arabia still maintain deep financial and diplomatic ties with Moscow. The risk of cutting-edge Ukrainian defence systems migrating through Gulf intermediaries back to Moscow or Beijing is a massive vulnerability that Kyiv's export controls will have to police vigorously.

Where does this put Ukraine beyond the Gulf?

Kyiv’s power and leverage on the global stage has been slowly but surely growing in the past years. Ukrainians instinctively realized that to survive they need to become indispensable for as many global actors as possible. This strategy is proving to be successful. The Gulf States are only the newest addition to their portfolio.

For Europe, the picture is clear. They guarantee security and deterrence on its eastern flank, and an advanced local arms industry with the only battle hardened, experienced, and determined military on the continent. Ukrainian intelligence and arms technology has become essential for Europe to protect itself against Russia.

With the US the headlines and general sentiment suggest that Kyiv’s position is weakening because of Trump’s personal animosity towards Zelenskyy and Ukraine as a whole, but the picture is more nuanced beneath the surface.

Powerful US tech companies - like Palantir and SpaceX - are using the Ukrainian battlefield as a testing ground to perfect their products. The US military, arms industry, and intelligence community treats the country very differently than the Trump administration. For them, it is essential to learn from the Ukrainian military, and have access to their intelligence on the ground, while US arms industry players are highly keen to provide weapons to Ukraine for testing, to sell, and to import technology to modernise their own capabilities.

Ukraine’s European future

It’s a vital interest for Brussels to integrate Ukraine. 

European countries and the EU have invested so much in the Ukrainian military and made it so strong that they need Kyiv as an ally. The most obvious way to achieve that is to have it join the EU.

If Ukraine would not be granted EU membership, European capitals would run the risk of Kyiv becoming a wildcard, starting to assert its military powers independently, looking after only its own interest, even when it clashes with the EU. With all the resources, production, and a battle hardened military it could cause unnecessary headaches for European states. Their fear is that it may easily become like Turkey on steroids.

Similarly, it cannot let Ukraine be conquered. It would be a strategic nightmare having to face an emboldened Russia boosted by Ukraine’s resources. In many ways Europe is “trapped” on a path to support and integrate Ukraine.

The ball is on Brussels’s turf. Full membership under the current circumstances seems almost impossible, with a large part due to the veto system on many fields, especially on foreign policy. It was originally designed with six member states in mind, and already makes common decision-making slow and ineffective, sometimes even nearly impossible - as Hungary demonstrated in previous years. Every new member would only increase the risk of inertia.

The EU has two ways of countering this, and it already started moving down on both.

One is the abolishment of the veto. This will be the more difficult task. No country - especially the smaller nations - would be happy to give up their veto. This will unavoidably lead to conflicts between member states and Brussels.

The other is to create a multi-speed Europe, and an “outer layer” where the many countries who have been waiting for decades like Montenegro, Albania, and Bosnia and Herzegovina, or countries with internal reservations like Norway, UK, or Iceland could join.

This latter is an essential move to strengthen the EU, and keep these countries incentivised in joining and getting more and more intertwined with the EU even before it can reform itself to become ready for new members.

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 27 days ago
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🇺🇦 The Ukraine You Rarely See in the News - Spending six weeks in Lviv I experienced morale higher than ever. The Ukrainian people are optimistic about their country's future. A recap of my previous visits.

I wrote a short blog post about my latest and previous visits to Lviv, mostly from a geopolitical perspective.

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My first time visiting Ukraine was in October 2015. I went to Lviv and Kyiv for a pan-European student organisation gathering. The Lviv part was the pre-event for the organisation’s biannual conference, which took place in Kyiv after.

The annexation of Crimea and the war in Donbas were relatively fresh, but already more than a year has passed by then. At that time, I had little knowledge about the country besides some news stories, my studies (which familiarized me more with Russian geopolitical ambitions and operations than with Ukraine), and a few Ukrainians I have met the previous years through the student organisation.

Having grown up and living in Hungary I had some prejudices, or rather projections, about how Ukraine might be. A cold, grey, impoverished, post-soviet hellhole with people probably even more grumpy and depressed than in my home country because history has been even harsher on them. My actual experience couldn’t have been further from my lousy assumptions.

Lviv almost immediately became one of my favourite cities. It wasn’t just the cosy and charming cobblestone streets and lovely Habsburg-era buildings, nice cafés and restaurants, or the cheap alcohol (I was a uni student after all). It was the people. They totally changed what I believed I knew about the post Eastern bloc and even life itself.

I found beautiful and charming easy-going people who couldn’t have been more different than what I was accustomed to growing up just a few hundred km to the west. They were cheerful, gentle, and incredibly welcoming. 

I couldn’t believe it. A population that just had a large part of their territory seized by Russia while waging an active war against them on their eastern territories, being plagued by endless corrupt governments, Moscow’s interference and blackmails, the lowest standard of living and salaries in all of Europe, and a harsh climate, is friendly, kind, and optimistic.

How can this be possible from a nation that went through hell in the 90s after the horrors of the Soviet Union and hundreds of years of repression? Their history was tragic for as long as anyone's memory can look back to. Russian repression, World War II devastation, massacres, the Holodomor…

I couldn’t help but fall in love with the place and its people. I visited many times in the following years, stayed in Mukachevo for three months back in 2021, and lived in Lviv for more than a year in 2023-2024. Very few countries went through so much in the past 11 years. I encountered different faces of Ukraine each time.

But the people never changed. They remained warm, positive, and full of life.

My time living there has been during a difficult period. Through the winter of ‘23 - ‘24 the situation looked dire. The Battle of Bakhmut has ended with Ukrainians needing to surrender the city after nearly a year of meat-grinder that inflicted heavy losses on their most experienced troops. Then the long-awaited summer counteroffensive failed. Polish farmers were blockading the border, Hungary was vetoing further EU-aid, and Trump managed - even from opposition - to block the next US arms package that Biden was trying to pass.

It was a winter where the future of Ukraine looked very bleak. Of course, people held and carried on with their lives, but the morale was at least wavering. It was nowhere near of a collapse, but it suffered serious hits after hits. But Ukrainians had no choice other than to remain determined to fight. They began to prepare for a long war and lots of hardships to come.

This time things looked very different. 

In a little more than a year the US has betrayed Ukraine and increasingly started aligning with Russia. Trump and his administration have been trying to force Kyiv into capitulation and get back to business as usual - and more - with Moscow. Then, just before winter they starved the country of air defence ammunition so it had little means of resisting the Russian bombardment of its energy infrastructure everybody knew was coming.

The country plunged into cold and darkness for almost the entire winter. Meanwhile, in the EU - as things not change - Orbán did everything he could to stop the next support package Ukraine desperately needed to survive.

It was a year full of destruction, cold, and pressure from not only Russia, but also from the world’s number one superpower. It didn’t help either that this superpower started a senseless war in the Middle East that mostly managed to benefit only Moscow by providing it with newfound revenues from increased oil and gas prices and sanctions relief from Washington.

The pressure on Ukraine, its government, and its leader was immense. But they resisted it all. They have endured the full brutal year, and absorbed every hit. During that time Europe managed to take over military and financial support from the US. Not just that, but increasingly made the continent so intertwined with Ukraine and its war effort, that in a lot of metrics it was now the continent’s own struggle as well. Europe put its reputation and security on Ukraine surviving and becoming strong. 

A shifting momentum

All of a sudden, Kyiv had some serious cards to play. It managed to turn a misfortune in the Middle East into opportunity by striking weapons deals with rich Gulf states under Iranian bombardment, boosting the country’s reputation as a reliable and professional partner. 

Despite Orbán putting everything into an anti-Ukraine campaign where Hungary’s public enemy number one became Zelenskyy, he suffered a huge historic defeat, and a tremendous collapse of his pro-Russian regime. The EU support came through with another sanctions package against Moscow, and the continent is more unified than ever in its support of Kyiv.

Since the beginning of this year the country adapted to and survived a harsh winter, managed to halt Russian advances, and slowly started inflicting higher casualties than what Russian military can recruit. They achieved a shifting momentum on the battlefield.

Their long-range strikes with locally produced drones and missiles are decimating the Russian energy sector, curbing the Kremlin’s revenues that sustain its war. Previously Ukraine needed permission from Washington or European capitals to go after Russian oil production. Nobody can stop them anymore.

Even the constant pro-Russian voices went quiet from the US, and their pressure on Zelenskyy and Ukraine has disappeared. The country proved that it can outlast any hardship and unjust pressure that attempts to destroy its independence, regardless of where it comes from.

During my six-week stay in Lviv this was felt in the air and in the people. They were more determined, more proud, and more confident than ever. They know that they’re no longer the tragedy of history, but actively and skilfully writing their own future.

The conversations shifted from “will the West continue to support us?” to “will the West deserve our support?”.

Today Ukrainians are the heart and soul of Europe. The future of Ukraine will no longer be determined in Brussels more than the future of Europe will be determined in Kyiv.

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 1 month ago
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🇺🇦 Ukraine has managed to stop Russia. Now what? - The tides are turning on the battlefield and the balance of power is shifting in Europe's favour. Putin is down but not out, and his options are increasingly narrowing.

After 4 years of war the Armed Forces of Ukraine finally achieved to halt the constant, but ever-slowing Russian offensive. If we can even call the endless meat wave attacks that Russia is conducting in the past few years an “offensive”.

Escalation, or de-escalation?

The previously surfacing rumours about a new Russian mobilisation are becoming more credible every month. If Ukraine continues to inflict higher casualties than what Russia can recruit month after month, Putin will be forced to choose between two options. He either has to call for another wave of mobilisation, or offer a ceasefire on terms that are more favourable to Ukraine.

It seems like many in the Russian elite are now trying to persuade him to opt for the latter. They are quietly building the ground for that possibility. At this point, some media are framing narratives that the “Special Military Operation” has already achieved its goal, and any further military action would only lead to a Pyrrhic victory.

At the end of the day, this will be only Putin’s decision. Forces inside Russia may try to push him in one direction or another, but so far, they have proven unsuccessful every time when it came to the war. He is much too obsessed with the total control of Ukraine, and as of now he still believes he can win, and that it’s only a matter of time until the frontline starts collapsing.

However, so far, he also did everything in his power to avoid another mobilisation. Right now is probably not the optimal time for him to reconsider it, with the Russian parliamentary elections approaching in September. Until then, the most likely outcome is that he’ll continue the covert mobilisation with the usual tricks. These include things like forcing people to sign up for the war in exchange for getting rid of mock charges or pressuring students and debtors, and the offer of more and more money. 

Speaking of money, he got some extra coming his way with Israeli-US war on Iran and the subsequent blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, increasing energy prices, and the US sanctions relief. That, however, seems to be getting close to an end along with higher oil prices, and financing might become an increasingly bigger concern.

Whether a new mobilisation wave could even solve Russia’s problems is getting increasingly doubtful. Many western studies and think tanks arrive at a similar conclusion with Russian milbloggers agreeing with their assessment. Decorated veteran, blogger, ex-FSB agent and international terrorist Igor Girkin who is fittingly serving a jail sentence for speaking the truth about the reality on the battlefield, has been calling for a large-scale mobilisation since year one of the invasion.

With hindsight of the current situation in 2026, it seems like he was correct, and Russia would likely be in a much better position right now. But as of lately his - and other Russian milbloggers’s - expectation of a potential Russian victory is getting ever more gloomy. He claims that at this point not even a mobilisation would lead to victory, or even to a successful offensive, just an even bigger bloodbath.

Putin probably still thinks that he should continue the war as long as it takes because eventually, there will be a world event that turns the tide for him. He wants there to still exist an active hostility on the ground so he can grab that opportunity to finish Ukraine off. It will be a difficult task to convince him otherwise.

As of now, several similar events have occurred, and he has failed to meaningfully capitalise on any of them. Trump’s reelection - his Miracle of the House of Brandenburg moment - couldn’t achieve a breakthrough for him. Not with him cutting off support for Ukraine, and not even with his attack on Iran. Despite all of these, the Russian military achieved absolutely nothing on the battlefields since they managed to push out the Ukrainians from Kursk Oblast in the early weeks of Trump’s presidency with the help of North Korean troops. One can’t help but wonder where Ukraine could be right now if there was a US president who wasn’t Putin’s number 1 fan.

The underlying change in the balance of power.

Even if Putin decided to stop the active phase of the war and press for a ceasefire, he couldn't unilaterally proclaim it because the Ukrainians will have to agree as well. As long as it's Armed Forces carry on inflicting higher casualties than what Russia can recruit and even manage to liberate their territories, they have much less incentive to accept a ceasefire. At least not on terms that the Kremlin would likely be willing to offer.

If Putin wants to push through a ceasefire deal, he would likely need to escalate first. This could be a new wave of mobilisation or renewal of public nuclear threats. Many Western analysts are raising alarm bells over the possibility that he might be planning some kinetic actions against the Baltic states to test and destroy NATO’s Article 5. With the hope that it would put him in a better negotiating position. As of today, I am not convinced that he will go through with it. There might be battle plans forming in the Russian military for this scenario, which is expected, but there is no evidence that Putin has decided on anything.

Still, there are similar signs that, alongside a possible declaration of victory, a narrative around a potential escalation in the Baltics is emerging. Europe’s responsibility now is to deter this option by convincing Putin that it would be devastating for Russia and his rule, there would be a definitive response, and Europe would not give in.

Countries, governments, and leaders on the continent have been on ever higher alert since the 2022 invasion, and then since Trump’s return in 2025. From that time, they proved capable of stepping up to the occasion when it came to uniting to impose unprecedented sanctions on Russia, starting to arm and finance Ukraine, and getting off Russian oil. Since Trump 2.0 Europe successfully managed to take over support for Ukraine and deterred a possible US invasion of Greenland just a few months ago. At the same time, the continent is rearming and preparing to face a Russian threat head-on, even without the United States. 

Many - especially military and geopolitical analysts - love to bash on the EU and European countries, but these developments are not insignificant. The continent has been slowly but surely undergoing a full geopolitical transformation in the past nearly five years. In many ways Europe is preparing for this attack since 2022. It would be a huge mistake for Putin to assume that he could get away with it.

But let’s assume that he makes up his mind to sue for peace, and Ukraine refuses. There are many voices in the country that would prefer to go on until every occupied territory is liberated.

If Putin makes that call, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are making gains on the battlefield, these voices will be difficult to quieten. They either need something from Russia or the EU in exchange, or a conviction that they cannot get rid of Russian forces from their territories at this time, and it would be a better bet to try diplomatically in the coming years and decades.

For this, Putin will have to convince Europe of his intentions for peace, and hope that they will be able to pressure Ukraine into a ceasefire. But since Trump’s return, Ukraine has proven itself willing and able to resist pressure even from the world’s greatest superpower, even in the face of it starting to side with its enemy.

By now Ukraine knows what it knows. Its Armed Forces and military technology are essential for Europe’s security, and the continent needs a strong Ukraine just as much as Ukraine needs the rest of the continent. What was before a dependency on Europe is now getting closer to an equal marriage.

Whatever Putin decides, the most likely future in the short and medium timeline is more war, more death, and more destruction. But also more endurance, technological advancements, adaptations, and history continuing to play out.

Summary

By year five of the full-scale invasion, Ukraine has achieved what many thought impossible: halting Russia's advance. But stopping an invading force and ending a war are very different.

Putin faces a narrowing set of options: a politically toxic new mobilisation, or a ceasefire on terms Kyiv has little reason to accept while its military keeps the upper hand. Neither sits well with him, so the default is continuation of the grinding attrition and the slow decay of Russian power, while he waits for a geopolitical windfall that keeps not arriving.

Meanwhile, Europe has quietly undergone a structural transformation, stepping up where Washington stepped back. The balance of power is slowly but measurably shifting. The most honest forecast for the near term remains more war but fought in a context that looks less and less like the first few years.

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 1 month ago
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🇺🇦 Ukraine has managed to stop Russia. Now what? - The tides are turning on the battlefield and the balance of power is shifting in Europe's favour. Putin is down but not out, and his options are increasingly narrowing.

After 4 years of war the Armed Forces of Ukraine finally achieved to halt the constant, but ever-slowing Russian offensive. If we can even call the endless meat wave attacks that Russia is conducting in the past few years an “offensive”.

Escalation, or de-escalation?

The previously surfacing rumours about a new Russian mobilisation are becoming more credible every month. If Ukraine continues to inflict higher casualties than what Russia can recruit month after month, Putin will be forced to choose between two options. He either has to call for another wave of mobilisation, or offer a ceasefire on terms that are more favourable to Ukraine.

It seems like many in the Russian elite are now trying to persuade him to opt for the latter. They are quietly building the ground for that possibility. At this point, some media are framing narratives that the “Special Military Operation” has already achieved its goal, and any further military action would only lead to a Pyrrhic victory.

At the end of the day, this will be only Putin’s decision. Forces inside Russia may try to push him in one direction or another, but so far, they have proven unsuccessful every time when it came to the war. He is much too obsessed with the total control of Ukraine, and as of now he still believes he can win, and that it’s only a matter of time until the frontline starts collapsing.

However, so far, he also did everything in his power to avoid another mobilisation. Right now is probably not the optimal time for him to reconsider it, with the Russian parliamentary elections approaching in September. Until then, the most likely outcome is that he’ll continue the covert mobilisation with the usual tricks. These include things like forcing people to sign up for the war in exchange for getting rid of mock charges or pressuring students and debtors, and the offer of more and more money. 

Speaking of money, he got some extra coming his way with Israeli-US war on Iran and the subsequent blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, increasing energy prices, and the US sanctions relief. That, however, seems to be getting close to an end along with higher oil prices, and financing might become an increasingly bigger concern.

Whether a new mobilisation wave could even solve Russia’s problems is getting increasingly doubtful. Many western studies and think tanks arrive at a similar conclusion with Russian milbloggers agreeing with their assessment. Decorated veteran, blogger, ex-FSB agent and international terrorist Igor Girkin who is fittingly serving a jail sentence for speaking the truth about the reality on the battlefield, has been calling for a large-scale mobilisation since year one of the invasion.

With hindsight of the current situation in 2026, it seems like he was correct, and Russia would likely be in a much better position right now. But as of lately his - and other Russian milbloggers’s - expectation of a potential Russian victory is getting ever more gloomy. He claims that at this point not even a mobilisation would lead to victory, or even to a successful offensive, just an even bigger bloodbath.

Putin probably still thinks that he should continue the war as long as it takes because eventually, there will be a world event that turns the tide for him. He wants there to still exist an active hostility on the ground so he can grab that opportunity to finish Ukraine off. It will be a difficult task to convince him otherwise.

As of now, several similar events have occurred, and he has failed to meaningfully capitalise on any of them. Trump’s reelection - his Miracle of the House of Brandenburg moment - couldn’t achieve a breakthrough for him. Not with him cutting off support for Ukraine, and not even with his attack on Iran. Despite all of these, the Russian military achieved absolutely nothing on the battlefields since they managed to push out the Ukrainians from Kursk Oblast in the early weeks of Trump’s presidency with the help of North Korean troops. One can’t help but wonder where Ukraine could be right now if there was a US president who wasn’t Putin’s number 1 fan.

The underlying change in the balance of power.

Even if Putin decided to stop the active phase of the war and press for a ceasefire, he couldn't unilaterally proclaim it because the Ukrainians will have to agree as well. As long as it's Armed Forces carry on inflicting higher casualties than what Russia can recruit and even manage to liberate their territories, they have much less incentive to accept a ceasefire. At least not on terms that the Kremlin would likely be willing to offer.

If Putin wants to push through a ceasefire deal, he would likely need to escalate first. This could be a new wave of mobilisation or renewal of public nuclear threats. Many Western analysts are raising alarm bells over the possibility that he might be planning some kinetic actions against the Baltic states to test and destroy NATO’s Article 5. With the hope that it would put him in a better negotiating position. As of today, I am not convinced that he will go through with it. There might be battle plans forming in the Russian military for this scenario, which is expected, but there is no evidence that Putin has decided on anything.

Still, there are similar signs that, alongside a possible declaration of victory, a narrative around a potential escalation in the Baltics is emerging. Europe’s responsibility now is to deter this option by convincing Putin that it would be devastating for Russia and his rule, there would be a definitive response, and Europe would not give in.

Countries, governments, and leaders on the continent have been on ever higher alert since the 2022 invasion, and then since Trump’s return in 2025. From that time, they proved capable of stepping up to the occasion when it came to uniting to impose unprecedented sanctions on Russia, starting to arm and finance Ukraine, and getting off Russian oil. Since Trump 2.0 Europe successfully managed to take over support for Ukraine and deterred a possible US invasion of Greenland just a few months ago. At the same time, the continent is rearming and preparing to face a Russian threat head-on, even without the United States. 

Many - especially military and geopolitical analysts - love to bash on the EU and European countries, but these developments are not insignificant. The continent has been slowly but surely undergoing a full geopolitical transformation in the past nearly five years. In many ways Europe is preparing for this attack since 2022. It would be a huge mistake for Putin to assume that he could get away with it.

But let’s assume that he makes up his mind to sue for peace, and Ukraine refuses. There are many voices in the country that would prefer to go on until every occupied territory is liberated.

If Putin makes that call, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are making gains on the battlefield, these voices will be difficult to quieten. They either need something from Russia or the EU in exchange, or a conviction that they cannot get rid of Russian forces from their territories at this time, and it would be a better bet to try diplomatically in the coming years and decades.

For this, Putin will have to convince Europe of his intentions for peace, and hope that they will be able to pressure Ukraine into a ceasefire. But since Trump’s return, Ukraine has proven itself willing and able to resist pressure even from the world’s greatest superpower, even in the face of it starting to side with its enemy.

By now Ukraine knows what it knows. Its Armed Forces and military technology are essential for Europe’s security, and the continent needs a strong Ukraine just as much as Ukraine needs the rest of the continent. What was before a dependency on Europe is now getting closer to an equal marriage.

Whatever Putin decides, the most likely future in the short and medium timeline is more war, more death, and more destruction. But also more endurance, technological advancements, adaptations, and history continuing to play out.

Summary

By year five of the full-scale invasion, Ukraine has achieved what many thought impossible: halting Russia's advance. But stopping an invading force and ending a war are very different.

Putin faces a narrowing set of options: a politically toxic new mobilisation, or a ceasefire on terms Kyiv has little reason to accept while its military keeps the upper hand. Neither sits well with him, so the default is continuation of the grinding attrition and the slow decay of Russian power, while he waits for a geopolitical windfall that keeps not arriving.

Meanwhile, Europe has quietly undergone a structural transformation, stepping up where Washington stepped back. The balance of power is slowly but measurably shifting. The most honest forecast for the near term remains more war but fought in a context that looks less and less like the first few years.

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 1 month ago
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Hungarian politics be like: in the Parliament PM Magyar confronts opposition faction leader Goulash (who also happens to be his uni bff and godfather of his son)

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 1 month ago

🇺🇦 What is Ukraine's population in 2026?

There is a recent claim by Ukrainian Social Policy Minister Denys Ulyutin that the current Ukrainian government controlled population is only 22-25 million people. I found this strange because no statistics I’ve ever seen indicated this. What’s even worse it fits perfectly into the long-running Russian propaganda myth that everybody already died in Ukraine. (At this point they all died three or four times in the past four years if we believed these narratives) 

Even for seasoned followers of the war it might seem like they have no men left in the country, as we keep on hearing about their manpower issues. Even JD Vance repeated this misconception during the infamous White House clash with Zelensky. But this is simply not the case. Ukraine will not run out of men anytime soon. The military’s continuous manpower constraints are more of a political-organisational issue than a physical limitation.

These claims have led me to dig into this topic and come up with my own guesstimation on how many people live in the government controlled territories, and the full territory of Ukraine. As a TLDR, the aforementioned numbers are off by at least 4-10 million, and Ukraine’s total population is still over 35 million.

Ukraine’s recent historical demographic development

Ukrainian history consists of several tragic events, even just in the past 120 years. Population exchanges, ethnic cleansings, border changes. Two large scale genocides and three major wars. Many of these shook the demographic situation to the core. Today the country is living through such a period again.

After World War I Ukraine’s first big demographic hit began immediately in the 1920s when the Soviets deported 150,000 Ukrainians to Siberia they deemed as “Kulaks”. They were the most productive farmers of the country. This act paved the way for the horrors of 1932-1933, the Holodomor, where between 3.5 and 5 million people died of starvation in Ukraine alone.

During these devastating times, the Ukrainian demographic picture still looked relatively rosy from today’s western population-decline anxiety’s perspective. The population was growing rapidly due to high fertility rates, and even the deportations and the Holodomor couldn’t stop it rising from 28 million in 1925 to more than 33 million in 1939. This increased to more than 41 million with the Soviet annexation of Eastern Galicia-Volhynia from Poland, and Bessarabia and parts of Bukovina from Romania after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Following this came an even larger demographic catastrophe, the largest industrial war and genocide the world has ever seen, and Ukraine was among the worst hit regions. The country lost between 7 and 10 million people, including approximately 4 million military personnel, 5 million civilians, and 1.5 million Ukrainian Jews. More than 20% (some estimates claim up to 25%) of the country’s population perished in World War II, and around 40% of total Soviet losses were Ukrainians. 

Many like to repeat that it was Russia that beat the Nazis in World War II. The claim itself is deeply flawed. Even the Soviet Union’s top general Marshal Georgy Zhukov admitted that the Soviet Union couldn’t have defeated Germany without US and Allied military and economic aid. And let’s not forget that the Germans were fighting on several fronts simultaneously. Crediting even only the Soviet Union and its many nations (not just Russia) is a disservice to the partisans on the Balkans and Italy, and the French and Polish resistance. At the same time the Brits, Canadians, Australians, Poles, Indians, Americans all fought the Germans on the seas, in the air, and on the grounds in North Africa, Italy, France, and all over Western Europe. It wasn’t called a World War by accident.

The reason it might seem that the Soviets did most of the heavy lifting were the staggering losses they suffered. This - besides the obvious brutality of the German invasion - was in large part due to Moscow’s barbaric military tactics that Russia still continues to employ today. This can be summed up as “men are expendable resources”. In the later stages of the war the enormous losses had a clear imperialist reason. The Soviet leadership rushed to conquer as much of Europe as they could in preparation for the post-war world order.

Still, just as the Soviet Union couldn’t have beaten Germany without western aid, it couldn’t have beaten Germany without Ukraine.

World War II has devastated Ukraine. It gained significant territories, but even considering all of that, according to some estimates, by 1945 the country’s population fell below 28 million from the initial over 41 million.

Ukraine’s pre-invasion population

After World War II there was a rapid population growth across Europe and in Ukraine as well. We commonly refer to this as the baby boom. From the lows of less than 28 million in 1945 the country’s population peaked at 52 million in 1993. From this point, the gradual then sudden decline of Ukraine’s population began.

Even before the war it was difficult to find accurate demographic data on Ukraine. The last census was conducted in 2001, this is the only point in time for which we have precise numbers. It was 48,457,100 people. Anything after this is only an estimate.

According to projected figures, by 2014 the population declined to approximately 45,430,000. At this point, it gets even more difficult to have a clear picture because many statistics only count the government controlled territories without Crimea, but often with the already de facto Russian administered Donbas mockublics.  

At this point, I’ll enter with my own dubious estimation to the full population of the internationally recognised territory of Ukraine, and also for the parts that are controlled by the government. Since data is impossible to verify and I’ll make lots of deliberately pessimistic assumptions, these numbers could, of course, be some ways off.

First of all let’s assume that the estimation for 2014 is correct, and Ukraine starts the Russian military aggression in 2014 with 45,430,000 people. Then to begin with let’s assume that the rate of decline remained constant, and by 2026 the same amount of natural decline would have happened as between 2002-2014. This would put the population at 42,400,000 in 2026 if there were no other events occurring.

But other events did occur. Even before the full scale invasion the Covid pandemic caused the death of 112,418 people in the country. As of today, nearly 6 million Ukrainians are refugees abroad. (Most claims suggest that this number is lower today, but I will use the overestimated rounded number) These immediately drop the population to nearing 36 million people.

The casualties of the war

This is a complex and highly sensitive topic with widely different calculations.

Between 2014 and 2022 the war in Donbas killed nearly 15,000 Ukrainian citizens.

After 2022 estimating gets much more challenging. I will attempt to be the most realistically pessimistic with my calculations.

According to the UA Losses project at the time of writing, there are currently 97,869 people confirmed dead and 95,162 people missing with 4,454 captured. This is the absolute floor, the minimum military losses of Ukraine. If we add this all together it is 197,488 people. According to the project, the actual deaths are likely much higher than the nearly 100,000 confirmed here. 

While the people missing are certainly not all killed, but it’s likely that the majority of them are. Similarly, the 4,454 POW’s will most likely be eventually repatriated, but since we’re talking about how many people live currently in Ukraine, I’ll consider all of these as losses, so altogether I will be counting with 200,000 people. Once again, this is on the pessimistic end, other estimates suggest that Ukrainian forces KIA as of 2026 May might be closer to 150,000 people.

The UA Losses project doesn’t count civilian casualties, which is another unknowable element. 

The Mariupol problem brutally illustrates this. UN officials verified around 2,100 civilian deaths in the city, while Human Rights Watch using satellite imagery of mass graves estimated at least 8,000 civilians killed there, admitting that the true figure was likely significantly higher.

Other estimates for Mariupol range from 22,000 to as high as 87,000, with AP journalist Mstyslav Chernov, who was there during the siege and directed the Oscar-winning documentary “20 Days in Mariupol” estimating 70,000–80,000. Comparing these to the UN verified casualties, it’s a ratio of roughly 1:10 to 1:40 between verified and plausible actual deaths in one occupied city alone.

The OHCHR’s nearly 16,000 verified figure is almost certainly off by a factor of 3–10x for direct conflict deaths alone. Independent researchers often project a 20,000–40,000 range, which is probably a cautious mid-estimate, but the more than 100,000 figure from Ukrainian official sources isn't implausible when we factor in Mariupol's likely toll alone.

The core epistemological problem is that this war's worst civilian atrocities happened in places that became inaccessible immediately after. We'll only know the true toll if and when Ukraine regains control of those territories. Even then, only if the research work can be done before the evidences deteriorate.

All things considered I will make the harsh estimation of 350,000 Ukrainian citizens killed by Russia’s invasion between 2014 and May 2026.

Abductions and deportations of Ukrainian children

I quote Swedish MP, Carina Ödebrink’s investigation on the Russian Abductions and Deportations of Ukrainian Children.

“Sources on the number of Ukrainian children that have been forcibly deported to Russia vary: 19,546 have been confirmed by Ukraine, while the Yale Humanitarian Research Lab places the number closer to 35,000. Maria Lvova-Belova, the Russian Commissioner for Children’s Rights (wanted for arrest by the International Criminal Court) has claimed that over 700,000 Ukrainian children have been “relocated” to Russia, while her Ukrainian counterpart, Daria Herasymchuk, estimates the true number to be between 200,000—300,000. Russia has consistently refused to provide Ukraine or other international parties with any records of transferred children, in violation of international law, which makes verifying the true number of deported children near impossible.

(…)Under any or multiple of these pretenses, children are moved to facilities in Russia, Russian-occupied territory in Ukraine, or in Russian-allied Belarus.”

Again, I will go with the seemingly excessively pessimistic estimates by Ukrainian official Daria Herasymchuk and assume that there are 300,000 children abducted by Russia, and that all of them are outside of Ukraine’s internationally recognised borders.

The question of “unborn children”

78% of the adult population of the nearly 6 million Ukrainian citizens who live abroad are women. Obviously, there are many men currently away from their families serving in the military. If we also factor in the enormous dangers and uncertainties Ukrainians are forced to live under, we have to recognise that many people are unable or unwilling to have children under current circumstances. This would naturally lead to my previous assumption of natural Ukrainian population decline following the 2002-2014 trend highly unlikely.

I am unsure what to do with this, so I’ll make another - perhaps the wildest and most pessimistic - assumption and calculate that there are 150,000 children every year that “cannot be born”. If we accept this, the natural decline has increased by 600,000 since the full-scale invasion began.

Adding it all together

42,400,000 - 6,000,000 (refugees) - 350,000 (killed) - 300,000 (abducted) - 600,000 (unborn) -110,000 (Covid) = 35,040,000

This is the total minimum number of current residents of the internationally recognised territory of Ukraine. Since I took the worst number on every occasion I’d assume that the real figure should be significantly higher. If we count only the government controlled parts, we have to estimate how many people might be under Russian occupation.

According to Ukrainian sources, there are approximately 2.4 million people living in Crimea, although many of these are Russian colonists who settled the peninsula after 2014. Between 1.2 and 2.5 million Ukrainians remain in the territories of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson regions controlled by Russia.

Other claims say the total number could be as high as 6 million. Considering that only Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts had a pre invasion population of more than 6 million people, I find this number plausible as the absolute worst case projection. 

Again, I will take this most pessimistic estimate into account:

35,040,000 - 6,000,000 = 29,040,000 in the government controlled territories of Ukraine. 

If we count it less pessimistically, with 2.4 million in Crimea and 1.2 million in the rest of the territories, the number would be 31,440,000 people.

So realistically even today there should be at least between 29 million and 32 million people in the government controlled territories, and at least 35 million total in Ukraine.

As to how many of these are loyal Ukrainian citizens and how many are ethnic Russians who would prefer to be part of Russia, newly settled Russians, and recent colonizers are much more difficult to tell. However, from a historical big-picture view the Ukrainian nation has serious reserves to repopulate its territories after the war is over, with the more than 6 million citizens abroad. 

Since I made a big assumption with unborn children, we must also presume that most of the adults in question didn’t suddenly lose the urge or the ability to have kids. After the war is over, we can probably expect some level of a national baby boom.

Ukraine has gone through similar massive demographic losses, and managed to recover. Other countries did too, the best recent example is Poland. No matter how this war ends the Ukrainian nation will remain numerous, will stay staunchly Ukrainian, and continue living on its historic lands.

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago
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🇺🇦 What is Ukraine's population in 2026?

There is a recent claim by Ukrainian Social Policy Minister Denys Ulyutin that the current Ukrainian government controlled population is only 22-25 million people. I found this strange because no statistics I’ve ever seen indicated this. What’s even worse it fits perfectly into the long-running Russian propaganda myth that everybody already died in Ukraine. (At this point they all died three or four times in the past four years if we believed these narratives) 

Even for seasoned followers of the war it might seem like they have no men left in the country, as we keep on hearing about their manpower issues. Even JD Vance repeated this misconception during the infamous White House clash with Zelensky. But this is simply not the case. Ukraine will not run out of men anytime soon. The military’s continuous manpower constraints are more of a political-organisational issue than a physical limitation.

These claims have led me to dig into this topic and come up with my own guesstimation on how many people live in the government controlled territories, and the full territory of Ukraine. As a TLDR, the aforementioned numbers are off by at least 4-10 million, and Ukraine’s total population is still over 35 million.

Ukraine’s recent historical demographic development

Ukrainian history consists of several tragic events, even just in the past 120 years. Population exchanges, ethnic cleansings, border changes. Two large scale genocides and three major wars. Many of these shook the demographic situation to the core. Today the country is living through such a period again.

After World War I Ukraine’s first big demographic hit began immediately in the 1920s when the Soviets deported 150,000 Ukrainians to Siberia they deemed as “Kulaks”. They were the most productive farmers of the country. This act paved the way for the horrors of 1932-1933, the Holodomor, where between 3.5 and 5 million people died of starvation in Ukraine alone.

During these devastating times, the Ukrainian demographic picture still looked relatively rosy from today’s western population-decline anxiety’s perspective. The population was growing rapidly due to high fertility rates, and even the deportations and the Holodomor couldn’t stop it rising from 28 million in 1925 to more than 33 million in 1939. This increased to more than 41 million with the Soviet annexation of Eastern Galicia-Volhynia from Poland, and Bessarabia and parts of Bukovina from Romania after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Following this came an even larger demographic catastrophe, the largest industrial war and genocide the world has ever seen, and Ukraine was among the worst hit regions. The country lost between 7 and 10 million people, including approximately 4 million military personnel, 5 million civilians, and 1.5 million Ukrainian Jews. More than 20% (some estimates claim up to 25%) of the country’s population perished in World War II, and around 40% of total Soviet losses were Ukrainians. 

Many like to repeat that it was Russia that beat the Nazis in World War II. The claim itself is deeply flawed. Even the Soviet Union’s top general Marshal Georgy Zhukov admitted that the Soviet Union couldn’t have defeated Germany without US and Allied military and economic aid. And let’s not forget that the Germans were fighting on several fronts simultaneously. Crediting even only the Soviet Union and its many nations (not just Russia) is a disservice to the partisans on the Balkans and Italy, and the French and Polish resistance. At the same time the Brits, Canadians, Australians, Poles, Indians, Americans all fought the Germans on the seas, in the air, and on the grounds in North Africa, Italy, France, and all over Western Europe. It wasn’t called a World War by accident.

The reason it might seem that the Soviets did most of the heavy lifting were the staggering losses they suffered. This - besides the obvious brutality of the German invasion - was in large part due to Moscow’s barbaric military tactics that Russia still continues to employ today. This can be summed up as “men are expendable resources”. In the later stages of the war the enormous losses had a clear imperialist reason. The Soviet leadership rushed to conquer as much of Europe as they could in preparation for the post-war world order.

Still, just as the Soviet Union couldn’t have beaten Germany without western aid, it couldn’t have beaten Germany without Ukraine.

World War II has devastated Ukraine. It gained significant territories, but even considering all of that, according to some estimates, by 1945 the country’s population fell below 28 million from the initial over 41 million.

Ukraine’s pre-invasion population

After World War II there was a rapid population growth across Europe and in Ukraine as well. We commonly refer to this as the baby boom. From the lows of less than 28 million in 1945 the country’s population peaked at 52 million in 1993. From this point, the gradual then sudden decline of Ukraine’s population began.

Even before the war it was difficult to find accurate demographic data on Ukraine. The last census was conducted in 2001, this is the only point in time for which we have precise numbers. It was 48,457,100 people. Anything after this is only an estimate.

According to projected figures, by 2014 the population declined to approximately 45,430,000. At this point, it gets even more difficult to have a clear picture because many statistics only count the government controlled territories without Crimea, but often with the already de facto Russian administered Donbas mockublics.  

At this point, I’ll enter with my own dubious estimation to the full population of the internationally recognised territory of Ukraine, and also for the parts that are controlled by the government. Since data is impossible to verify and I’ll make lots of deliberately pessimistic assumptions, these numbers could, of course, be some ways off.

First of all let’s assume that the estimation for 2014 is correct, and Ukraine starts the Russian military aggression in 2014 with 45,430,000 people. Then to begin with let’s assume that the rate of decline remained constant, and by 2026 the same amount of natural decline would have happened as between 2002-2014. This would put the population at 42,400,000 in 2026 if there were no other events occurring.

But other events did occur. Even before the full scale invasion the Covid pandemic caused the death of 112,418 people in the country. As of today, nearly 6 million Ukrainians are refugees abroad. (Most claims suggest that this number is lower today, but I will use the overestimated rounded number) These immediately drop the population to nearing 36 million people.

The casualties of the war

This is a complex and highly sensitive topic with widely different calculations.

Between 2014 and 2022 the war in Donbas killed nearly 15,000 Ukrainian citizens.

After 2022 estimating gets much more challenging. I will attempt to be the most realistically pessimistic with my calculations.

According to the UA Losses project at the time of writing, there are currently 97,869 people confirmed dead and 95,162 people missing with 4,454 captured. This is the absolute floor, the minimum military losses of Ukraine. If we add this all together it is 197,488 people. According to the project, the actual deaths are likely much higher than the nearly 100,000 confirmed here. 

While the people missing are certainly not all killed, but it’s likely that the majority of them are. Similarly, the 4,454 POW’s will most likely be eventually repatriated, but since we’re talking about how many people live currently in Ukraine, I’ll consider all of these as losses, so altogether I will be counting with 200,000 people. Once again, this is on the pessimistic end, other estimates suggest that Ukrainian forces KIA as of 2026 May might be closer to 150,000 people.

The UA Losses project doesn’t count civilian casualties, which is another unknowable element. 

The Mariupol problem brutally illustrates this. UN officials verified around 2,100 civilian deaths in the city, while Human Rights Watch using satellite imagery of mass graves estimated at least 8,000 civilians killed there, admitting that the true figure was likely significantly higher.

Other estimates for Mariupol range from 22,000 to as high as 87,000, with AP journalist Mstyslav Chernov, who was there during the siege and directed the Oscar-winning documentary “20 Days in Mariupol” estimating 70,000–80,000. Comparing these to the UN verified casualties, it’s a ratio of roughly 1:10 to 1:40 between verified and plausible actual deaths in one occupied city alone.

The OHCHR’s nearly 16,000 verified figure is almost certainly off by a factor of 3–10x for direct conflict deaths alone. Independent researchers often project a 20,000–40,000 range, which is probably a cautious mid-estimate, but the more than 100,000 figure from Ukrainian official sources isn't implausible when we factor in Mariupol's likely toll alone.

The core epistemological problem is that this war's worst civilian atrocities happened in places that became inaccessible immediately after. We'll only know the true toll if and when Ukraine regains control of those territories. Even then, only if the research work can be done before the evidences deteriorate.

All things considered I will make the harsh estimation of 350,000 Ukrainian citizens killed by Russia’s invasion between 2014 and May 2026.

Abductions and deportations of Ukrainian children

I quote Swedish MP, Carina Ödebrink’s investigation on the Russian Abductions and Deportations of Ukrainian Children.

“Sources on the number of Ukrainian children that have been forcibly deported to Russia vary: 19,546 have been confirmed by Ukraine, while the Yale Humanitarian Research Lab places the number closer to 35,000. Maria Lvova-Belova, the Russian Commissioner for Children’s Rights (wanted for arrest by the International Criminal Court) has claimed that over 700,000 Ukrainian children have been “relocated” to Russia, while her Ukrainian counterpart, Daria Herasymchuk, estimates the true number to be between 200,000—300,000. Russia has consistently refused to provide Ukraine or other international parties with any records of transferred children, in violation of international law, which makes verifying the true number of deported children near impossible.

(…)Under any or multiple of these pretenses, children are moved to facilities in Russia, Russian-occupied territory in Ukraine, or in Russian-allied Belarus.”

Again, I will go with the seemingly excessively pessimistic estimates by Ukrainian official Daria Herasymchuk and assume that there are 300,000 children abducted by Russia, and that all of them are outside of Ukraine’s internationally recognised borders.

The question of “unborn children”

78% of the adult population of the nearly 6 million Ukrainian citizens who live abroad are women. Obviously, there are many men currently away from their families serving in the military. If we also factor in the enormous dangers and uncertainties Ukrainians are forced to live under, we have to recognise that many people are unable or unwilling to have children under current circumstances. This would naturally lead to my previous assumption of natural Ukrainian population decline following the 2002-2014 trend highly unlikely.

I am unsure what to do with this, so I’ll make another - perhaps the wildest and most pessimistic - assumption and calculate that there are 150,000 children every year that “cannot be born”. If we accept this, the natural decline has increased by 600,000 since the full-scale invasion began.

Adding it all together

42,400,000 - 6,000,000 (refugees) - 350,000 (killed) - 300,000 (abducted) - 600,000 (unborn) -110,000 (Covid) = 35,040,000

This is the total minimum number of current residents of the internationally recognised territory of Ukraine. Since I took the worst number on every occasion I’d assume that the real figure should be significantly higher. If we count only the government controlled parts, we have to estimate how many people might be under Russian occupation.

According to Ukrainian sources, there are approximately 2.4 million people living in Crimea, although many of these are Russian colonists who settled the peninsula after 2014. Between 1.2 and 2.5 million Ukrainians remain in the territories of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson regions controlled by Russia.

Other claims say the total number could be as high as 6 million. Considering that only Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts had a pre invasion population of more than 6 million people, I find this number plausible as the absolute worst case projection. 

Again, I will take this most pessimistic estimate into account:

35,040,000 - 6,000,000 = 29,040,000 in the government controlled territories of Ukraine. 

If we count it less pessimistically, with 2.4 million in Crimea and 1.2 million in the rest of the territories, the number would be 31,440,000 people.

So realistically even today there should be at least between 29 million and 32 million people in the government controlled territories, and at least 35 million total in Ukraine.

As to how many of these are loyal Ukrainian citizens and how many are ethnic Russians who would prefer to be part of Russia, newly settled Russians, and recent colonizers are much more difficult to tell. However, from a historical big-picture view the Ukrainian nation has serious reserves to repopulate its territories after the war is over, with the more than 6 million citizens abroad. 

Since I made a big assumption with unborn children, we must also presume that most of the adults in question didn’t suddenly lose the urge or the ability to have kids. After the war is over, we can probably expect some level of a national baby boom.

Ukraine has gone through similar massive demographic losses, and managed to recover. Other countries did too, the best recent example is Poland. No matter how this war ends the Ukrainian nation will remain numerous, will stay staunchly Ukrainian, and continue living on its historic lands.

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago
▲ 2 r/Lviv

Looking to find the pub with Austro-Hungarian/Habsburg era theme

I remember visiting it about 8 years ago. It had photos of Franz Joseph, a map of Galicia, and maybe also a map of Austria-Hungary. Does this place still exist?

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago

If the tide continues to shift in Ukraine's favor on the battlefield, how far would you be willing to support the continuation of the war?

In theory if Russia continues to lose more people than it can recruit, and will be forced to get on the defensive, and offers a ceasefire without additional demands, would you support accepting it? Or would you rather support continuing the war until more territory is liberated, even if it would take more time and casualties?

I'm interested in any answers, but especially of those who currently serve in the military, or have insight on people's attitude on this who are currently serving.

Thank you!

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u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago
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Let's imagine a future where Russia took over Ukraine and is free to pursue its further geopolitical aims. How would that look like, and what would it mean to Europe?

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago
▲ 141 r/hungary

Ungvári üzletemberből lett Ukrajna egyik legfontosabb és legeredményesebb katonai parancsnoka. A 2026-os évben eddig a drón egysége, "Magyar Madarai" felelősek az összes orosz emberveszteségek 33%-áért(!!), annak ellenére, hogy az ukrán hadsereg kevesebb mint 2%-át teszik ki.

Jelenleg az Orbán-kormány által ki van tiltva a schengeni övezet területéről.

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago

During the Hungarian election campaign many foreign observers were alarmed by the similar principles Péter Magyar and Viktor Orbán seemed to represent. Many were keen to doom post about how he will change nothing about Hungary’s foreign policy towards the EU and Russia.

It is true, he came from Orbán’s Fidesz party. He is conservative, and after starting to speak out against the regime he would often highlight the issues he agrees with Orbán on. His first interview where he entered public view was more an attempt to reform Fidesz from the inside than to take it down.

For those of us opposing the government for the full previous decade and a half he was not yet a convincing candidate exactly because of that. At that stage, him being Orbán 2.0 was a real possibility. But things have changed, his political positions have matured significantly and he is a very different person today than he was back then.

What he proved himself not to be is ideologically rigid. Today in Hungary, it is becoming increasingly toxic to be analogized to the previous regime. He ran not only for a change of government, but a change of the whole system. His rise was a peaceful revolution that is historically only comparable to the fall of communism in the country.

As he moved ahead with his campaign he increasingly began to distance himself from his original Fidesz roots, and built a unique political platform largely shaped by what Hungarians wanted from him. He built his base and ideology up from scratch in a way to unify the large and very diverse crowd that wanted to get rid of Orbán.

Since this is one of the few things that keeps his supporters together, he simply cannot become Orbán 2.0. He received a mandate to get rid of the past 16, even the past 24 or 36 years, and create something entirely different. His supporters are not loyal to him personally like Orbán’s voters. If he oversteps his mandate they will turn against him.

By Moscow clearly and even at points openly trying to help Orbán win and evidence surfacing that they're directly guiding Hungary’s foreign policy, one of the main slogans that was heard after the election results came in was “Ruszkik haza!” (“Russians go home!”) - echoing the Hungarian slogan from both 1956 and 1989. Magyar promised and got a very clear assignment from the people to distance the country from Russia and get closer again to the EU.

Even if he - despite all evidence for some mysterious reason - didn’t want to do this, there are systemic realities that will strongly push him in that direction. Hungary is deeply intertwined with the EU and its member states, and Magyar’s most important immediate foreign policy goal will be to unblock the nearly €20 billion frozen EU funds.

He couldn’t support Moscow and carry on with the fight against the EU while trying to access these funds. He is strongly incentivized to shift Hungary’s foreign policy. To get the job done his foreign minister will be a seasoned foreign policy expert called Anita Orbán (the name is a coincidence) who was sidelined by Fidesz years ago after the leadership started cosying up to Moscow. Even in 2008 she was well aware of the Russian threat, and wrote a book about the New Russian Imperialism.

How did Hungary arrive here?

To understand what is happening in Budapest we have to go back to before Orbán decisively took power in 2010. 

Between 2002-2010 the socialist MSZP was leading Hungary after the end of Orbán’s first government between 1998-2002. MSZP was the successor party of the previous communist one-party administration that ruled the country between 1956 and 1989. Their two terms in government were so bad it caused Orbán’s historic ⅔ majority in 2010. 

It was plagued by numerous gigantic scandals and their deeply incompetent handling of the Great Recession, and burned through three different prime ministers. The most distinctive among them who dominated this period was a man called Ferenc Gyurcsány who was prime minister between 2004 and 2009. By the end of his rule he became the most unpopular leader in modern Hungarian history, but as a politician he was utterly shameless, unwilling to accept total defeat and was hellbent on regaining power at all cost. 

In this pursuit, he pretty much destroyed the socialist party in the coming years while aiming to position himself as the leading opposition figure against Orbán. Since he was extremely unpopular and his potential return deeply frightened most people, Orbán was extremely happy to elevate Gyurcsány to this position even if his support had never merited it. He was merely one of the many opposition figures in an increasingly fragmented political palette against Fidesz.

In the 2010s Orbán’s evermore all-encompassing propaganda demonized him further, and constantly threatened that if Fidesz loses power, one way or another Gyurcsány will return. This propaganda machine managed to turn every election into a battle against Gyurcsány. The main underlying message was ”maybe we are not perfect, but if it’s not us, it will be him again.” With this strategy and the total redesigning of the election system to only favour him, Orbán managed to win every election for the next 16 years.

By the 2020s conspiracy theories started to spread that Gyurcsány is secretly working together with Orbán because him still being active in politics seemed to be the main reason for Orbán’s unending success. During his campaign Péter Magyar took advantage of these ideas, and put the two names together in his narrative. He positioned himself against both of them, and everyone who took part in this long-running dynamic that ran the country to the ground.

He is post-Orbán Hungary’s version of Donald Trump

There are some notable similarities on how and why the two men came to power, and even in some political and rhetorical style. This does not mean that Magyar represents similar values or going to govern the same way. Quite the opposite. 

Donald Trump in politics - despite his previous career - is not a builder, but a destroyer. He successfully identified that the United States electorate is unhappy with how the system works and its leading elite. The voters put him in the White House to serve as a hammer and smash the previous order by any means necessary.

A big part of why he can get away with almost anything and nothing can change his supporter’s mind about him is because he promises to fight for them and against their opposition. Hence, the “own the libs” meme. People are willing to excuse many things as long as he “owns” the “elite” they deem responsible for their perceived cultural marginalization, diminished status and loss of dignity. This is at the core of the similarities between Magyar and Trump. 

They both rose as part of the elite, but not really part of the immediate ruling class. Sort of an elite lite, an outsider on the inside who knew the system and held a grudge against the inner circle. This likely fuelled their determination to go against them and rise to the top while giving them credibility with the voters.

This is a big part of what makes them Teflon Politicians.*

Of course this is not the only reason. Similar to Trump, Magyar is giving off an unshakeable aura of confidence which makes him perceived as competent. During their campaigns they were both acting like unstoppable forces going against immovable objects. And they showed that in a fight like that the unstoppable force can smash the immovable object. 

They not only fight the system, but visibly enjoy doing it. They make fun of it, and love ”trolling” their opposition, who struggles to find a way to successfully counterattack them. One of Magyar’s dismissing catchphrase reaction to attacks from Fidesz propagandists and politicians was simply saying “Jó vergődést” ("Have fun struggling").

Both with the cases of Trump and Magyar there were serious internal and external forces that shaped their rise, only the sides were different. Trump’s rise received help from Russia, Magyar’s from Europe. 

Trump was helped by movements independent of him interested in wrecking the system, same with Magyar. Both men were like tanks, going forward no matter what, absorbing anything that hit them.

The big picture context

Both Trump and Magyar were surfers of larger societal waves they rode masterfully. Their movements are in a large part grassroot organizations that pushed forward on different levels for one ultimate goal: total regime change that could only be achieved by making sure the frontman is elevated into the high chair. This often happened without the two leader's direct influence.

In the case of Donald Trump there were unique segments of the internet mobilizing themselves. For example, parts of 4chan, particularly its "/pol/" (Politically Incorrect) and “/b/” (Random) boards played a key role in the 2016 election by organizing "memetic warfare" to support him and to disrupt Hillary Clinton’s campaign. 

They created, spread, and mainstreamed pro-Trump memes, and disseminated conspiracy theories like "#Pizzagate" to target the mainstream, aiming to "redpill" the public into adopting far-right, anti-establishment, and white nationalist ideologies. They acted as a decentralized engine to amplify “MAGA” ideas.

On Magyar’s part there were several parallel factors playing into his victory. 

An event that mobilized people occurred in Spring 2025, one year before the election. By that time Magyar’s Tisza party was already decisively ahead in the polls but Fidesz was having a slight recovery many envisioned as an inevitable comeback. At this point Orbán aimed to mobilize his supporters against groups he deemed the enemies of his rule. Part of this was his move against LGBTQ communities, and the full ban of the Pride parade, even threatening to fine anyone attending up to €500.

Initially, Magyar strategically distanced himself from the issue, deeming it a typical Fidesz tactic of creating a distraction from the important topics he concentrated on like the economy, healthcare, infrastructure, and education. He has also seen it as a ploy to detour his planned great walk to Transylvania, part of his larger campaign strategy of touring the countryside - another similarity to Trump: Magyar tirelessly and energetically visiting the country had a similar mobilizing effect on society as Trump’s rallies.

The Pride parade itself wasn’t really a concern for the vast majority of Hungarians. People mostly didn’t care, many in the opposition even had negative feelings towards it. In the previous years there were at most 35,000 participants. But the fact that the regime banned it triggered something deep. 

The event became an outlet, an excuse to protest against the government. Budapest’s left-wing mayor stood up for it and helped the Parade happen despite the ban, and it attracted a massive crowd of around 200,000 people. This was not only a record participation on any Pride parade in Hungary, but a record number in any anti-government protests since 1990.

This marked a decisive a shift in Orbán’s perceived power, something that seemed unthinkable in the past decade and a half. It made his opposition feel like they can actually resist him even going so far as doing something the government explicitly forbids.

The end of an era

In the last weeks of both the 2016 US and the 2026 Hungarian elections there was a perfect storm of events coming together that proved decisive.

To recap, at the end of the 2016 campaign the main stories after the infamous Access Hollywood tape (which at the time seemed like the case to decisively end Trump’s campaign) was the counter-action from WikiLeaks. With Russian help thousands of emails got leaked from Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta. This created a constant negative background noise around Clinton. Then as the final blow this has led to the reopening of a previous FBI investigation against her. These dominated media coverage leading up to election day, voters who were already uneasy about Clinton’s trustworthiness got constantly reminded of that.

In Hungary, what happened was much wilder to the point where even seasoned politics nerds and journalists got overwhelmed by the speed and amount of damaging material coming out against the government. Even by that point independent of each other; films, documentaries, and investigative articles started popping up, all challenging or criticising the regime in different ways. 

The last wave started with an attempted illegal secret service operation to frame Tisza party, to which they intended to use a regular police captain specialised in paedophilia cases. He refused to cooperate, and instead worked out the details of the situation, and turned to the press with it. He became an icon, a national hero overnight. This has led to a tsunami of people deciding to speak out publicly, emboldened by his bravery. 

This was the point where Fidesz completely and decisively lost control.

As a contribution to this, there were increasing leaks about Orbán’s foreign policy entanglement with Moscow. Telephone conversations surfaced where his foreign minister Péter Szijjártó talked to Sergey Lavrov in a subservient manner and tone, basically receiving instructions on what to do for them in Brussels. Then came another where Orbán had a conversation with Putin and likened himself to a mouse who helps the big lion as a token of gratitude for saving his life. These leaks likely originated from other European secret services carrying out surveillance on Moscow. But the true credit goes to independent journalists and news outlets that worked tirelessly in helping these come out.

Indeed, besides larger societal factors and external forces we cannot neglect mentioning the rise of talented experts and ideologically motivated people who were keen and motivated to help these movements reach the top. In the US to name a couple of the countless actors were Peter Thiel and Steve Bannon. Equally, in Hungary many similar people’s contribution, organisation, help, and advice was that led to Magyar’s success. In the US this was deeply ideological, in Hungary it was often beyond ideology, the collaboration of political actors from left to right.

What does this tell us about world politics and the point in history where we stand today?

The core difference between Péter Magyar and Donald Trump is their role in history. Trump embodies what Orbán represents in Hungary: far-right populism with the leader's core motive to gain and keep power and extract as much resource with that power as possible. Maximizing corruption with soft-core authoritarianism and aspirations of monarchism. Hungary is slightly ahead of the historical curve in this sense. Magyar is what comes after Trumpism (or Orbánism and Putinism). A man and movement that reinvents the system after a self-serving populist has captured it. 

From a different perspective, Orbán was still a classic “boring politician” figure from the pre social media age. Magyar is already part of the next wave of leaders, a bombastic Trumpian figure in this sense, unbothered by previous rules of what a politician should look and behave like.

His politics is a healthy mix of technocratic centrism with Trumpian communication style and an added benign populist rhetoric. He is similar to Giorgia Meloni in this regard, who is using far-right rhetoric while running a pragmatic a centre-right government. With a strong contrast from their divisive rhetoric that was pushed to the maximum by Orbán. Hungary has had enough of that, and thus Magyar is doing the opposite, trying to unite the country. The political pendulum often swings violently into the other direction. After radical division comes radical unifying.

Magyar and Meloni are great teachers for the European political class who want to skip the Trumpist-Orbánist wave. They show how using populism can prevent self-serving autocrats from taking power. 

We typically see decentralization in the 21st century as one of Europe’s great flaws on the world stage, but this is also one of its historical advantage over the rest of the world’s great powers and aspiring great powers. It is a diverse mix of countries with different governments, parties, policies, and solutions where other countries and systems can learn what works immediately next to them, thus self-correct to prevent colossal mistakes. This is one of Europe’s significant safeguards from large-scale authoritarian takeover.

Personal epilogue

The US is a strange place viewed from Europe. It’s everywhere in media, news, and products to the point where it feels like we know it very well. But in reality we don’t really grasp what’s truly happening on the ground. Following the Hungarian election campaign got me closer to understanding the reason why so many Americans voted for Trump. 

Sam Harris stood baffled by how tens of millions can support Trump, saying that he would not even leave a child in a room alone with Trump because nothing good could possibly come out of it. Yet people were ready to elevate him to the highest position on Earth. 

Magyar is nowhere near as bad of a human being as Trump. But he is very far from the politician archetypes of the “nice guy you could have a beer with”, or even the intellectual sort you’d love to spend time with discussing history, society, culture, or the state of the world. Orbán’s propaganda portrayed him as an aggressive narcissistic traitor who would be extremely dangerous as prime minister. While these are wildly exaggerated lies, he is definitely not someone most people would want to associate with in private life. 

To me, the narcissistic part makes sense. He gives off the vibe of the full-of-himself entitled rich kid you wouldn’t ever want to work under. But this didn’t matter because he used all the positive traits that come with narcissism - the self-confidence, ambition, charisma, and resilience - to fight against our common adversary. And all these just made him perfect for the task.

Although I struggled to understand the Trump phenomenon, I did wonder if I could vote for someone like him if they were running to represent my strongly held beliefs and ideas, and promised to fight for them. I always had an uncomfortable suspicion that I would. This election all but confirmed that. A voter whose house is burning will not care about who the firefighters are.

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago
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During the Hungarian election campaign many foreign observers were alarmed by the similar principles Péter Magyar and Viktor Orbán seemed to represent. Many were keen to doom post about how he will change nothing about Hungary’s foreign policy towards the EU and Russia.

It is true, he came from Orbán’s Fidesz party. He is conservative, and after starting to speak out against the regime he would often highlight the issues he agrees with Orbán on. His first interview where he entered public view was more an attempt to reform Fidesz from the inside than to take it down.

For those of us opposing the government for the full previous decade and a half he was not yet a convincing candidate exactly because of that. At that stage, him being Orbán 2.0 was a real possibility. But things have changed, his political positions have matured significantly and he is a very different person today than he was back then.

What he proved himself not to be is ideologically rigid. Today in Hungary, it is becoming increasingly toxic to be analogized to the previous regime. He ran not only for a change of government, but a change of the whole system. His rise was a peaceful revolution that is historically only comparable to the fall of communism in the country.

As he moved ahead with his campaign he increasingly began to distance himself from his original Fidesz roots, and built a unique political platform largely shaped by what Hungarians wanted from him. He built his base and ideology up from scratch in a way to unify the large and very diverse crowd that wanted to get rid of Orbán.

Since this is one of the few things that keeps his supporters together, he simply cannot become Orbán 2.0. He received a mandate to get rid of the past 16, even the past 24 or 36 years, and create something entirely different. His supporters are not loyal to him personally like Orbán’s voters. If he oversteps his mandate they will turn against him.

By Moscow clearly and even at points openly trying to help Orbán win and evidence surfacing that they're directly guiding Hungary’s foreign policy, one of the main slogans that was heard after the election results came in was “Ruszkik haza!” (“Russians go home!”) - echoing the Hungarian slogan from both 1956 and 1989. Magyar promised and got a very clear assignment from the people to distance the country from Russia and get closer again to the EU.

Even if he - despite all evidence for some mysterious reason - didn’t want to do this, there are systemic realities that will strongly push him in that direction. Hungary is deeply intertwined with the EU and its member states, and Magyar’s most important immediate foreign policy goal will be to unblock the nearly €20 billion frozen EU funds.

He couldn’t support Moscow and carry on with the fight against the EU while trying to access these funds. He is strongly incentivized to shift Hungary’s foreign policy. To get the job done his foreign minister will be a seasoned foreign policy expert called Anita Orbán (the name is a coincidence) who was sidelined by Fidesz years ago after the leadership started cosying up to Moscow. Even in 2008 she was well aware of the Russian threat, and wrote a book about the New Russian Imperialism.

How did Hungary arrive here?

To understand what is happening in Budapest we have to go back to before Orbán decisively took power in 2010. 

Between 2002-2010 the socialist MSZP was leading Hungary after the end of Orbán’s first government between 1998-2002. MSZP was the successor party of the previous communist one-party administration that ruled the country between 1956 and 1989. Their two terms in government were so bad it caused Orbán’s historic ⅔ majority in 2010. 

It was plagued by numerous gigantic scandals and their deeply incompetent handling of the Great Recession, and burned through three different prime ministers. The most distinctive among them who dominated this period was a man called Ferenc Gyurcsány who was prime minister between 2004 and 2009. By the end of his rule he became the most unpopular leader in modern Hungarian history, but as a politician he was utterly shameless, unwilling to accept total defeat and was hellbent on regaining power at all cost. 

In this pursuit, he pretty much destroyed the socialist party in the coming years while aiming to position himself as the leading opposition figure against Orbán. Since he was extremely unpopular and his potential return deeply frightened most people, Orbán was extremely happy to elevate Gyurcsány to this position even if his support had never merited it. He was merely one of the many opposition figures in an increasingly fragmented political palette against Fidesz.

In the 2010s Orbán’s evermore all-encompassing propaganda demonized him further, and constantly threatened that if Fidesz loses power, one way or another Gyurcsány will return. This propaganda machine managed to turn every election into a battle against Gyurcsány. The main underlying message was ”maybe we are not perfect, but if it’s not us, it will be him again.” With this strategy and the total redesigning of the election system to only favour him, Orbán managed to win every election for the next 16 years.

By the 2020s conspiracy theories started to spread that Gyurcsány is secretly working together with Orbán because him still being active in politics seemed to be the main reason for Orbán’s unending success. During his campaign Péter Magyar took advantage of these ideas, and put the two names together in his narrative. He positioned himself against both of them, and everyone who took part in this long-running dynamic that ran the country to the ground.

He is post-Orbán Hungary’s version of Donald Trump

There are some notable similarities on how and why the two men came to power, and even in some political and rhetorical style. This does not mean that Magyar represents similar values or going to govern the same way. Quite the opposite. 

Donald Trump in politics - despite his previous career - is not a builder, but a destroyer. He successfully identified that the United States electorate is unhappy with how the system works and its leading elite. The voters put him in the White House to serve as a hammer and smash the previous order by any means necessary.

A big part of why he can get away with almost anything and nothing can change his supporter’s mind about him is because he promises to fight for them and against their opposition. Hence, the “own the libs” meme. People are willing to excuse many things as long as he “owns” the “elite” they deem responsible for their perceived cultural marginalization, diminished status and loss of dignity. This is at the core of the similarities between Magyar and Trump. 

They both rose as part of the elite, but not really part of the immediate ruling class. Sort of an elite lite, an outsider on the inside who knew the system and held a grudge against the inner circle. This likely fuelled their determination to go against them and rise to the top while giving them credibility with the voters.

This is a big part of what makes them Teflon Politicians.*

Of course this is not the only reason. Similar to Trump, Magyar is giving off an unshakeable aura of confidence which makes him perceived as competent. During their campaigns they were both acting like unstoppable forces going against immovable objects. And they showed that in a fight like that the unstoppable force can smash the immovable object. 

They not only fight the system, but visibly enjoy doing it. They make fun of it, and love ”trolling” their opposition, who struggles to find a way to successfully counterattack them. One of Magyar’s dismissing catchphrase reaction to attacks from Fidesz propagandists and politicians was simply saying “Jó vergődést” ("Have fun struggling").

Both with the cases of Trump and Magyar there were serious internal and external forces that shaped their rise, only the sides were different. Trump’s rise received help from Russia, Magyar’s from Europe. 

Trump was helped by movements independent of him interested in wrecking the system, same with Magyar. Both men were like tanks, going forward no matter what, absorbing anything that hit them.

The big picture context

Both Trump and Magyar were surfers of larger societal waves they rode masterfully. Their movements are in a large part grassroot organizations that pushed forward on different levels for one ultimate goal: total regime change that could only be achieved by making sure the frontman is elevated into the high chair. This often happened without the two leader's direct influence.

In the case of Donald Trump there were unique segments of the internet mobilizing themselves. For example, parts of 4chan, particularly its "/pol/" (Politically Incorrect) and “/b/” (Random) boards played a key role in the 2016 election by organizing "memetic warfare" to support him and to disrupt Hillary Clinton’s campaign. 

They created, spread, and mainstreamed pro-Trump memes, and disseminated conspiracy theories like "#Pizzagate" to target the mainstream, aiming to "redpill" the public into adopting far-right, anti-establishment, and white nationalist ideologies. They acted as a decentralized engine to amplify “MAGA” ideas.

On Magyar’s part there were several parallel factors playing into his victory. 

An event that mobilized people occurred in Spring 2025, one year before the election. By that time Magyar’s Tisza party was already decisively ahead in the polls but Fidesz was having a slight recovery many envisioned as an inevitable comeback. At this point Orbán aimed to mobilize his supporters against groups he deemed the enemies of his rule. Part of this was his move against LGBTQ communities, and the full ban of the Pride parade, even threatening to fine anyone attending up to €500.

Initially, Magyar strategically distanced himself from the issue, deeming it a typical Fidesz tactic of creating a distraction from the important topics he concentrated on like the economy, healthcare, infrastructure, and education. He has also seen it as a ploy to detour his planned great walk to Transylvania, part of his larger campaign strategy of touring the countryside - another similarity to Trump: Magyar tirelessly and energetically visiting the country had a similar mobilizing effect on society as Trump’s rallies.

The Pride parade itself wasn’t really a concern for the vast majority of Hungarians. People mostly didn’t care, many in the opposition even had negative feelings towards it. In the previous years there were at most 35,000 participants. But the fact that the regime banned it triggered something deep. 

The event became an outlet, an excuse to protest against the government. Budapest’s left-wing mayor stood up for it and helped the Parade happen despite the ban, and it attracted a massive crowd of around 200,000 people. This was not only a record participation on any Pride parade in Hungary, but a record number in any anti-government protests since 1990.

This marked a decisive a shift in Orbán’s perceived power, something that seemed unthinkable in the past decade and a half. It made his opposition feel like they can actually resist him even going so far as doing something the government explicitly forbids.

The end of an era

In the last weeks of both the 2016 US and the 2026 Hungarian elections there was a perfect storm of events coming together that proved decisive.

To recap, at the end of the 2016 campaign the main stories after the infamous Access Hollywood tape (which at the time seemed like the case to decisively end Trump’s campaign) was the counter-action from WikiLeaks. With Russian help thousands of emails got leaked from Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta. This created a constant negative background noise around Clinton. Then as the final blow this has led to the reopening of a previous FBI investigation against her. These dominated media coverage leading up to election day, voters who were already uneasy about Clinton’s trustworthiness got constantly reminded of that.

In Hungary, what happened was much wilder to the point where even seasoned politics nerds and journalists got overwhelmed by the speed and amount of damaging material coming out against the government. Even by that point independent of each other; films, documentaries, and investigative articles started popping up, all challenging or criticising the regime in different ways. 

The last wave started with an attempted illegal secret service operation to frame Tisza party, to which they intended to use a regular police captain specialised in paedophilia cases. He refused to cooperate, and instead worked out the details of the situation, and turned to the press with it. He became an icon, a national hero overnight. This has led to a tsunami of people deciding to speak out publicly, emboldened by his bravery. 

This was the point where Fidesz completely and decisively lost control.

As a contribution to this, there were increasing leaks about Orbán’s foreign policy entanglement with Moscow. Telephone conversations surfaced where his foreign minister Péter Szijjártó talked to Sergey Lavrov in a subservient manner and tone, basically receiving instructions on what to do for them in Brussels. Then came another where Orbán had a conversation with Putin and likened himself to a mouse who helps the big lion as a token of gratitude for saving his life. These leaks likely originated from other European secret services carrying out surveillance on Moscow. But the true credit goes to independent journalists and news outlets that worked tirelessly in helping these come out.

Indeed, besides larger societal factors and external forces we cannot neglect mentioning the rise of talented experts and ideologically motivated people who were keen and motivated to help these movements reach the top. In the US to name a couple of the countless actors were Peter Thiel and Steve Bannon. Equally, in Hungary many similar people’s contribution, organisation, help, and advice was that led to Magyar’s success. In the US this was deeply ideological, in Hungary it was often beyond ideology, the collaboration of political actors from left to right.

What does this tell us about world politics and the point in history where we stand today?

The core difference between Péter Magyar and Donald Trump is their role in history. Trump embodies what Orbán represents in Hungary: far-right populism with the leader's core motive to gain and keep power and extract as much resource with that power as possible. Maximizing corruption with soft-core authoritarianism and aspirations of monarchism. Hungary is slightly ahead of the historical curve in this sense. Magyar is what comes after Trumpism (or Orbánism and Putinism). A man and movement that reinvents the system after a self-serving populist has captured it. 

From a different perspective, Orbán was still a classic “boring politician” figure from the pre social media age. Magyar is already part of the next wave of leaders, a bombastic Trumpian figure in this sense, unbothered by previous rules of what a politician should look and behave like.

His politics is a healthy mix of technocratic centrism with Trumpian communication style and an added benign populist rhetoric. He is similar to Giorgia Meloni in this regard, who is using far-right rhetoric while running a pragmatic a centre-right government. With a strong contrast from their divisive rhetoric that was pushed to the maximum by Orbán. Hungary has had enough of that, and thus Magyar is doing the opposite, trying to unite the country. The political pendulum often swings violently into the other direction. After radical division comes radical unifying.

Magyar and Meloni are great teachers for the European political class who want to skip the Trumpist-Orbánist wave. They show how using populism can prevent self-serving autocrats from taking power. 

We typically see decentralization in the 21st century as one of Europe’s great flaws on the world stage, but this is also one of its historical advantage over the rest of the world’s great powers and aspiring great powers. It is a diverse mix of countries with different governments, parties, policies, and solutions where other countries and systems can learn what works immediately next to them, thus self-correct to prevent colossal mistakes. This is one of Europe’s significant safeguards from large-scale authoritarian takeover.

Personal epilogue

The US is a strange place viewed from Europe. It’s everywhere in media, news, and products to the point where it feels like we know it very well. But in reality we don’t really grasp what’s truly happening on the ground. Following the Hungarian election campaign got me closer to understanding the reason why so many Americans voted for Trump. 

Sam Harris stood baffled by how tens of millions can support Trump, saying that he would not even leave a child in a room alone with Trump because nothing good could possibly come out of it. Yet people were ready to elevate him to the highest position on Earth. 

Magyar is nowhere near as bad of a human being as Trump. But he is very far from the politician archetypes of the “nice guy you could have a beer with”, or even the intellectual sort you’d love to spend time with discussing history, society, culture, or the state of the world. Orbán’s propaganda portrayed him as an aggressive narcissistic traitor who would be extremely dangerous as prime minister. While these are wildly exaggerated lies, he is definitely not someone most people would want to associate with in private life. 

To me, the narcissistic part makes sense. He gives off the vibe of the full-of-himself entitled rich kid you wouldn’t ever want to work under. But this didn’t matter because he used all the positive traits that come with narcissism - the self-confidence, ambition, charisma, and resilience - to fight against our common adversary. And all these just made him perfect for the task.

Although I struggled to understand the Trump phenomenon, I did wonder if I could vote for someone like him if they were running to represent my strongly held beliefs and ideas, and promised to fight for them. I always had an uncomfortable suspicion that I would. This election all but confirmed that. A voter whose house is burning will not care about who the firefighters are.

u/Whats-on-Eur-Mind — 2 months ago