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who do you want to be the endgame?
had to put some of them together because of lack of space:(
jokaste's behaviour
honestly, i don't understand jokaste. if she cared about damen enough to sleep with kastor in order to convince him to send damen to vere as a slave, thereby saving his life, then why did she make it harder for him to return to the capital and find allies? why did she send people to places where she knew damen would be looking for help?
>‘You mean, the only difference between us is that I chose the wrong brother?’
As the stars began to drift across the sky, Laurent thought about Nicaise, standing in the courtyard with a handful of sapphires.
‘I don’t think you chose,’ said Laurent.
when laurent says those words, did he mean that she didn't choose either of the brothers because, ultimately, she gave them equal chances (she helped damen survive, but didn't make it easier for him to return, so kastor's position was more stable), or because she betrayed them both (she didn't want to be with kastor and did what she did for damen's sake, but in order to do that, she had to cheat on him)? if it's the latter, would it mean she wanted to make it harder for them to meet in order to prolong both of their lives, because it was inevitable that one of them would eventually have to die?
your thoughts?
edit: the question is about her motives, why did she save his life if she later made it harder for him to return to ios?
fic recommendations about damen’s identity
as i’m rereading capri, i can’t help thinking about all those people who casually throw comments at damen that they would never dare say to the king’s face.
so does anyone have any fics to recommend where we get people’s reactions to damen’s true identity? the books really didn’t give me enough of that.
torveld, erasmus, vannes, anyone from their circle whose reaction we never got to see (or even an expansion of charls asking why lamen is dressed in royal clothes), as long as it’s canon-compliant.
and also how they behave towards him once they know who he actually is, how their relationship changed, after having previously known him as someone beneath them, only to discover that he’s actually the prince/king himself.
i don’t expect there to be many fics specifically about that, but maybe i can scrape together at least three titles.
survey results - kuro characters
survey results are in! i received 101 responses, although 19 had to be discarded because more than 3 characters were selected for either the top 3 favourites or top 3 most hated categories.
overall ranking (point system: i don't know them = 0 pts, hated = 1 pt, i don't like them = 2 pts, i'm neutral about them = 3 pts, i like them = 4 pts, favourites = 5 pts)
- ciel — 380
- sebastian — 351
- finny — 334
- soma — 327
- snake — 325
- agni — 322
- mei-rin — 319
- grell — 311
- lizzy — 309
- undertaker — 305
- bard — 295
- madam red — 292
- tanaka — 289
- lau — 277
- doll — 275
- william — 274
- francis — 267
- joker — 263
- alois — 256
- vincent — 254
- r!ciel — 245
- queen victoria — 201
- aleister — 182
- claude — 161
- angela/ash — 155
characters with the highest and lowest number of votes in each category:
- i like them: mei-rin (65) | angela/ash (4)
- i don't like them: angela/ash and queen victoria (29) | mei-rin (0)
- top 3 favourites: ciel (55) | queen victoria, claude, vincent, angela/ash, and aleister (0)
- top 3 most hated: claude (27) | ciel, finny, mei-rin, snake, tanaka, soma, agni, francis, grell, and madam red (0)
- i don't know them: angela/ash (8) | 12 characters received 0 votes
- i'm neutral about them: queen victoria and vincent (35) | ciel (1)
were any of the results surprising to you?
kuro characters poll
i saw someone say that most people don't like alois, and it made me wonder what the general opinion looks like for other characters. to keep the poll short, i chose 25 most popular characters or those i think might be more polarizing and can be placed into 6 categories: like/dislike/top 3 favorites/top 3 most hated/don't know/neutral.
there’s no way to limit the columns so that there’s a maximum number of answers in the top 3 sections, so if more than three characters appear in "top 3," i simply won’t count the extra ones when calculating the results. also, you don’t have to force yourself to pick a top 3 from the listed characters. those columns can simply be left empty.
i'll post the results somewhere in about a week.
to avoid spam responses, answers can be edited, but they are limited to one response per account, so signing in is required to fill it out.
any atplq code?
the last post on here was made four months ago, and the code no longer works. if i have to, i’ll pay the €250 they’re asking for, but if there’s any chance of saving even a few euros, i’d gladly take it. aviation comes with plenty of expenses besides studying for the exams.
every time sebastian said one hell of a butler.
i just finished a reread and decided to keep track of every time he says his famous line. sometimes it was translated without the devil part, but if anyone wants to make sure the phrase is the same, the raws (and the chapter numbers, timeline, and arcs) are included here.
do you think sebastian had his own version of the “one hell of a” line before becoming a butler, and he just swapped out the noun depending on what he was pretending to be at the time?
reddit.comsebastian's memory
this is only my theory, but i believe sebastian is indeed the demon from modri’s memories—he simply doesn’t remember it. whatever happened between them, most likely involving the recently introduced demon hunter, seems to have left sebastian injured in some way. perhaps i’m wrong, but my current interpretation is that he was banished from the human world, suffering both wounds and partial amnesia as a result.
that would explain why, when ciel asks him whether he remembers anyone who might hold a grudge against him, sebastian visibly twitches [1].
the english translation uses “recall,” as in to bring the memory of a past event into your mind, and often to give a description of what you remember, but the japanese expression carries a slightly broader context. “身に覚え” refers to being aware that you’ve done something. so it’s not just “do you remember someone who might hold a grudge against you?”, but rather “do you have any recollection of something you’ve done that would make people resent you?” it shifts the question from a person to a situation that led to it.
he avoids answering [2]—not because he cannot lie, but because there is no single answer that would be true. yes, there is someone who tried to kill him and harbors resentment toward him [3]. and yet he cannot remember who that someone is. and perhaps it isn’t even a human at all. and he might not remember, why they are targeting him in the first place.
his behavior doesn’t come from an attempt to be entertaining; rather, he simply doesn’t know how he is supposed to tell it or where he would even begin his own story. ciel realizes that sebastian is not as invincible as he initially claimed to be. perhaps sebastian fears that revealing he has already been defeated once might alter the dynamics of their relationship. it is important to remember that this takes place three weeks after escaping the manor and the revelation that r!ciel is a doll. sebastian had doubts about whether ciel would choose to leave him and return to his brother, so even though ciel ultimately chose him, he does not want to give him additional reasons to lose faith in him.
even if sebastian wanted to explain more, how would he do it when he knows something must have happened, but he doesn’t know what exactly, because he has lost his memory? that’s why he feels such relief when ciel interrupts him, answering with “it’s all in the past” [4].
“if we really did have a past relationship, i’d prefer to settle things peacefully” [5], because the last time it cost him far more than he was willing to admit. based on the clothing styles, probably around a hundred years passed between his encounter with modri and being summoned by ciel. a century taken from his life—time that could have lasted longer, if not for ciel, and he doesn't want to go through the same thing again, that's for sure.
can sebastian change his face?
this is just a theory of course, but i think sebastian might not be able to take on a different human form than his current one, and that’s exactly why yana doesn’t show the demon's face in modri’s memories (yes, i believe that demon is him, and revealing his face too early would have immediately dissolved any doubts).
in chapter 14 he tells francis that he was born with that face. 生まれつき means by nature, by birth, native [1].
in bom, instead of changing his face, he uses a mask and makeup, even though it would be more convenient for him to simply change his appearance (sure, ciel told him to act human, but the guy has literally faked his death and resurrection, and the only person besides ciel in front of whom he removed his mask saw his demonic form, so he really could make his job easier if he wanted to) [2, 3, 4]
when he appears to ciel and gets a less-than-positive reaction, he offers to change his form. he changes his clothes, but not his face (as devil’s advocate, this could simply be yana’s laziness or unwillingness to design another face for him). 姿 can be translated as form, shape, but also appearance, dress, guise, picture, image [5].
in chapter 215 he says that his current form was custom-made for ciel. the reading あつらえた is a verb used to describe clothing [6].
all of this could be a coincidence, or it could also imply that sebastian cannot take on a different face. why? my headcanon is that he was once human and later became a demon, but so long ago that he has forgotten many human behaviors. however, nothing in the plot directly supports this, so it remains a very far-fetched assumption.
sebastian forming a contract with ciel
(the post originally had 30 photos, but reddit allows 20 only. you can find the rest of the screens here)
people tend to point out that ciel was clever and didn’t fall for sebastian’s words, but what is often overlooked in that narrative is the fact that sebastian himself contributed to it. but starting from the beginning:
sebastian appears at a moment when ciel is at his most vulnerable. he is his last resort. his brother has just died, he is next, and when it seems that no help will come, the demon announces his arrival.
sebastian’s first method of manipulation is transforming into various animals, which demonstrates his power. “look at me, i am powerful, omnipotent, i can become whatever you desire.” but on the other hand, it is also an expression of pride, where he is trying to impress ciel. sell himself to him.
then he emotionally blackmails him, saying that he has sacrificed his brother, so if he does not accept the demon’s services, his brother’s soul will, implicitly, be wasted. he took something from him that is an inseparable part of human life. he did it to his own brother.
the third element of the manipulation is not giving him any time to think. “now. make your choice. do you want to survive, gain power, and take your revenge, or perish here and bring your short story to an untimely end?” he doesn’t give ciel the space to process what is happening or consider any alternatives. the decision has to be made immediately, under pressure, when fear, grief, and desperation are at their peak.
and when ciel decides to enter the contract, he reinforces ciel’s belief. “either me or no one. i am the only one who can help you. and not only that, i will do whatever you want, you will become more powerful than anyone else and you will never have to bow your head again.”
this is very different from the demon we see in modri’s story. yes, he also uses deception, but in a completely different way. there he is still a “savior,” but in a very opposed sense of the word. he is not a knight in shining armor who arrives to kill the dragon that has devoured half the village. he simply ensures that everything will be fine, that everything will work out, that their dreams will still come true. he tricks them to form a contact involuntarily, while with ciel he wants it to be his decision. he wants to hear it. he wants him to say it. he wants ciel to choose him.
what he says to ciel later contradicts what he said during the destruction of the laboratory in germany: being brutal does not bring him joy, but he pushes ciel to want to kill those who hurt him. there is an interesting relationship between sebastian’s level of brutality and what the person has done to ciel (i wrote about this here). “let me hear your roar, unleash your desires.” he wants to kill people who hurt ciel.
sebastian from the very beginning is very excited. when ciel recoils at the sight of him, he asks whether this form does not suit him, immediately offering other ones. moreover, ciel himself fuels this excitement. “the mark will reside in your eye, reflecting a world without hope and your great greed.” the same when he lies about his name. the demon cannot hide his emotions, he cannot wait to see what ciel will demand from him, even pushing him to sit down and establish the terms of the contract (just look at his stupid smile).
in modri’s flashbacks, sebastian uses deception to establish the contract terms. he himself states something, needing only the other party’s confirmation to turn it into a condition. moreover, he does it in a manipulative way, leaving room for interpretation. “the family was supposed to be present at the wedding, no one said they had to be alive.” he could have done the same with ciel. extract three orders from him and execute them right there in that room. “kill everyone” could have been the first of them, but it is not. sebastian carried out his order, which technically did not count as part of the contract terms. on the contrary, anna’s wish “i wish the wheat would ripen” was the first thing that sealed their contract.
sebastian leaning over ciel does not symbolize a predator to me, but rather a demon trying to hide his excitement so as not to scare him (a bit like a dog trying to look serious while its tail is giving it away). he places huge hopes in ciel and cannot wait to see what he will ask of him. he explicitly states that he will fulfill three wishes. and precisely because he feels so happy at the mere thought of what ciel will demand, he is so disappointed when ciel asks whether he can bring his brother back to life.
suddenly the whole mood around him shifts, because he cannot hide his disappointment. the smile disappears as he thinks, “right. you are just a child. it is my own fault for having expectations of you”. for a moment he is silent, and only then does the smile return to his face, and he, already resigned, says that he promises him happy moments with his brother.
“if that is how it is going to be, let’s end this quickly. i shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up.” but then ciel says that he is lying, which makes sebastian drop his act. “or maybe i was not wrong after all?”
when ciel justifies his words, sebastian only then feels the excitement rising again, and his stupid smile returns.
it is not as strong as before, but the difference in behavior is still clear. and it is precisely this pause, this shift in mood, that leads ciel to conclude that sebastian is deceiving him. as we later see, ciel becomes very observant and tries to find hidden meanings in everything sebastian says, but it is possible that without that initial involuntary reaction, which for the demon was instinctive before he managed to conceal it, ciel would not have seen through him, still being under the influence of strong emotions from what had happened in the previous minutes. going back to modri again — there he uses ambiguity to fulfill the contract the same night. in ciel’s case, he makes sure the terms are clear. they have an end date, concrete conditions, and he himself shows ciel that there are loopholes in his words.
when ciel says he would like to rest, sebastian pretends not to know whether it is an order.
perhaps once the contract is established it cannot be modified, so this is the second time his behavior directly affects ciel’s conditions. only then does he clarify that he must say clearly and explicitly that it is an order. for sebastian, this is like locking cuffs on his hands and giving ciel the key instead of keeping it himself — using the argument “i did not know it was an order” sounds exactly like something the demon from modri’s memories would use against his master.
i genuinely believe that sebastian’s behavior did not stem primarily from a desire to manipulate ciel, but from his own expectations of him and his excitement at having him as a contractor. sebastian did not behave the way he did because that is his aesthetic, but because it was ciel. and he knows he made the right choice.
regarding the reason for his excitement: u/shetan89 suggested that his excitement might come from the fact of being summoned at all, rather than wandering among humans searching for a soul to make a contract with.
was sebastian ever summoned before? he implies that he was called to witches’ sabbaths, although, being himself, he never answers directly and changes the subject, so it’s hard to say for sure. what intrigues me is that he says, “he is calling me.” if we put emphasis on the first word — “he is calling me” — then the exciting part for him is specifically that ciel is the one summoning him, not simply the fact that he is being summoned.
if that is the case, it could be connected not only to ciel’s soul, but to his bloodline in general. whether that is because he is a descendant of a grim reaper or demon hunters is a separate question.
my second theory is that exorcists once banished sebastian from earth and he could not simply return whenever he wished, making ciel one of the few people capable of bringing him back.
and because of u/lisyonokk i started wondering whether that scene where he wanted to “eat” ciel after getting his title was not just another form of play. the goal was not consumption itself, but the thrill of seeing what ciel would do. after all, the scene of devouring in ewa was similar to what he did while establishing the contract, when he wrapped him in his tentacles. sebastian used his tendrils because they had already guided ciel onto the right path once before.
yeah so they got me. i appealed, but wanted to ask: do you know anyone who's blog was brought back? if it's back, does it come back with everything (drafts, queues, sideblogs) or only with the things that were already posted? is there a way to download my posts if it got deleted? how long does it take for them to consider an appeal? ngl this made me so mad, i spent so much time on my blogs and one random tuesday's evening everything is gone
not my post, but it made me wonder which character would be considered the most boring so i'm putting it as a credit
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