u/Wise-Gift-4552

Imagine Liv just telling them like yeah btw your late grandpa Billy was first in a serious relationship relationship with grandma Grace then when she married your late grandpa Corey she had an affair with grandpa Billy that me and your dad didn’t find out about till we were teens. I think your uncle Dillon was always somewhat speculated to actually be your grandpa Billy’s son and it was disproven. Your dad also was in a close relationship with Aunt Layla. Your great grandma also had a secret child who we never knew about who tried to use his child and grandson to destroy grandpa Billy’s legacy! But we didn’t find out that secret family line existed till I was pregnant with the both of you!

It def won’t come out exactly like that lmao, but knowing both Spence and Liv I’m sure they’ll probably teach them it was all a lesson to be learned and how it was all mistakes if the kids know the truth. Before anyone comments, I know they all love each other at the end of the day , this just popped into my mind but hey this is like every soap opera though

Just trying to find books or underrated ones where we try to figure out who the killer is. I understand I might have read some that people will recommend, but still, if you have any you love, pls let me know. Also already read the majority of Agatha C novels so that’s why I put that title. Bonus if it also has some shocking plot twists. Thanks!

I know a lot of people say it’s mainly because of Spencer’s flaw of a hero complex (which it somewhat basically is in the show’s story/universe), but I feel like outside of the series fictional world, the writers wrote for this just for a way to newly focus on the newfound brotherhood and friendship of Darnell and Spencer. So essentially speaking, the whole “saving the school arc” maybe did emphasize on Spencer’s character flaw/trait, but it was just written for Spencer to be with Darnell in Crenshaw since they focused on him so much in season 2. They couldn’t say word for word in the show like “yeah I feel this brotherhood with Darnell so that’s why I’m leaving Beverly” but they needed a plot point/twist for that to happen. Like it seems like they were heading for that to be explored for season 3, building Darnell as one of the main cast, and focusing them playing together on their football journey.

But fr, in my opinion, they still should have kept Spencer in Beverly nonetheless or it would’ve basically killed the premise of the show, but I just feel like that this was the sole purpose sometimes to make his character closer to Spencer in a environment they are both living in and making storylines for that, also having the potential to dive more into Corey’s life/past aswell. But the actor left anyway for another show in the beginning/middle of the season, so now they had to find other plots and storylines to make up for that arc…so I guess there’s that.

I know this has been kind of discussed on here before but it was one of the main thoughts I had after rewatching. Like imagine how much more it would’ve have been and how many more creative ideas that could’ve been brought out (this isn’t me hating on the show at all bc it is still awesome regardless despite small, specific things in season 2 (the final season) that I would change or add). If this wasn’t on a kids based channel, I’m certain things wouldn’t have been revised due to disproval, other details, complex plots, and more grown up/mature storylines and realities would’ve been brought forth, etc.

EDIT: Also just to add, this series was always very liberated for a Disney show which is why all age groups and generations love it so much, but in another universe I just know how much more creative licenses and directions it would have directed itself into on an regular adult channel.

I’m rewatching this show after not seeing it in a long time and idk it really hits you hard when you’re older for some reason. I loved it when I watched it when I was a young kid but I think watching this now grown up, I have ALOT more appreciation for it and how much it still holds up today. The sibling bond between Mabel and Dipper, Stanley and Stanford, and the dynamics of the younger siblings with their grand uncles were just all done so well where the characters also still are able retain there own distinguished personalities (while still being able to learn and grow from each other at the same time). The parallels of Dipper/Stanford and Mabel/Stanley were prominent aswell, along which each of the sibling-relationships, and oh man I felt myself gettting emotional internally a bit. They realize that maybe life can’t be all innocent all the time and they’ll grow older one day. Childhood ends, summer ends, but the genuine love you have for your family never dies even when you enter a new/mature chapter in your life. Made me think of my own sister. No matter what will happen in each of the characters futures, no matter who Dipper and Mabel grow up to be, or where each of them will go, if they end up experiencing certain things/life events where they could possibly shift away from each other, they’ll always have the summer of 2012 🥲

Also a side note I loved how the Pines brothers are from coastal NJ. I wonder if the fictional town they were born in is in the Jersey Shore area because that’s where I was born and raised and there hometown looks exactly like mine which always gave me a nostalgia wave loll.

like don’t get me wrong it’s a W for Spencer, especially after all that’s he’s been through on his journey, but I can’t take the Asher moment seriously. Now I can have a whole list on why that didn’t work at all for obvious reasons (like his health condition and not really thoroughly playing football for a few years), but also how the hell is he still on the roster as a player too? Lmaoo those spots are extremely valuable and would have been taken by somebody else already. And isn’t him playing a total violation of the NCAA?? Also the way Asher was playing and the reaction to him getting knocked out for dramatic effect, with no ambulance and medical assistance?How did everyone really react to that during cast table reads like huh..Not to be a complainer but it’s just something that just made me chuckle a bit 😭 definitely one of the most cringiest moments in the series and it was trying so hard to be an “inspirational” moment.

also it’s funny how the D1 final game is magically played by two schools that happen to both be in Los Angeles where both teams magically have members of a friend group who played high school football together at the same school and won the state champs during there junior year. I remember how someone else on this sub one time said that the writers used the college football games and aspect as a “playground” for Spencer and his friends and I think they summed that up perfectly.

but in all seriousness you have to turn off the realism in your brain when you watch the college episodes sometimes and just watch the show as comfort/messy tv lol

I haven’t been on this sub in a long time, this isn’t important but I’m watching this show again as comfort tv (it’s not the best show ever esp since the writing definitely declined in the later seasons so we just watch it for fun) with a friend now that my college-school year has ended and realizing how the grandparents of the Bakers are very much focused on the show and have all been relevant to the storyline. GW, Billy’s mother Mary who passed away, and Laura’s mother (I forget her name) in the later seasons. It got me thinking that if one of Grace’s or Corey’s parents, even just extended family, were ever mentioned or explained bc we don’t know much about Spencer and Dillon’s other family (I know it’s not a crucial part of the show but still…)