u/Your_Local_Heretic

What if he does that. Cuz if you look at life. Its very evil. What if god does that.yeah.

So first off people mean a few things by consciousness:

A) The information part: Usually used in scientific discussions, where we refer to someones identity as the actual traits and mental states possessed by that brain.

B: (I dont like this definition because its not useful for philosophy, but...) some people just mean "aware of stimuli" to mean conscious, contrasting it with "unconscious". Not philosophically meaningful imo because it doesnt mean they arent experiencing *something*, but i digress.

C) (my favorite definition) Ones actual experienced identity, stripping away the information connected to a person. The whole of the qualia.

Open Individualism is NONE of these. OI says consciousness is some "thing", like a hivemind, thats 1) Not connected to my informational qualities, and 2) Unrelated to the specific Qualia I experience.

The whole argument appears to work by redefining pronouns like "I" that way i can no longer refer to myself, at least easily. But this doesnt change the arguments against OI, it is just an annoying semantic redefinition. When i say "I", I DO NOT mean your hivemind consciousness thing. Thats not what I mean by the word. And itd be too tedious to have a discussion if i literally am not allowed to use pronouns. What am i supposed to do, speak in the third person??? Okay, i will do that...

[Third person time] ... Anon773, the person, doesnt experience being other people. Anon773 is a real thing. Anon773 is confused why OI advocates are saying he experiences something he doesnt experience. Anon773 learns they are not actually referring to him per se, but a hivemind-god thing, they call " The Consciousness". "The Consciousness" appears to have no measurable or observable qualities to Anon773. Anon773 concludes OI's "Consciousness" is unrelated to Anon773s subjective experiences, and doesnt appear anywhere in objective reality. Anon773 comcludes this "Consciousness" does not meaningfully exist. As he should, wheres the epistemic reason to believe it?

If that was hard to read, its your fault for taking away my pronouns. Now, in simpler speak...

My consciousness IS the qualia i experience. Its the experience itself. Thats WHY its meaningful, without Qualia i dont exist as anything other than a dead idea, a action potential, a concept floating in abstract space. It makes no sense to say i AM other people, its neither objectively true nor subjectively true, thats all kinds of "true", so it must not be true!

I understand you guys probably just dont want to get sucked up into solipsism or whatever. But truth and reality doesnt care about your desires, Solipsism is subjectively correct unless theres like reincarnation or something, which amends it and makes it less dark. I do believe in that, btw... I dont think everyones a pzombie, but i think most active pzombies were conscious in the far past or can be in the far future. Just like me 5 days ago isnt conscious, because it doesnt even exist, that does not lead me to believe i wasnt conscious when i was then and there, i do believe that.

This community has been privated by its moderators around 2 or 3 years ago, wishing to redirect traffic to a different community, claiming r/gnosticism to be redundant. I have sent a message to the mod team some time ago, but as now, I still haven't received any response.

I am requesting the moderator status of r/gnosticism, changing the community's status to public, and removing the remaining moderators (in case there are any left) due to their inactivity. If nobody is using it, why not give it a second life?

My intent is to create a community dedicated to discussion of Gnosticism that's rooted in its historical and cultural context (Greek philosophy and Persian dualism converging on the ground of heterodox Judaism); free of modern anachronistic interpretations, New Age/Theosophical syncretism, and various forms of misinformation which are sadly running rampant among non-academic online Gnostic communities.

This community has been privated by its moderators around 2 or 3 years ago, wishing to redirect traffic to another Gnostic community, as well as claiming r/gnosticism to be redundant. I have sent a message to the mod team five days ago, but as of right now, I have not received any response.

I am requesting the moderator status of r/gnosticism, changing the community's status to public, and removing the remaining moderators (in case there are any left) due to their inactivity. If nobody is using it, why not give it a second life?

My intent is to create a community dedicated to discussion of Gnosticism that's rooted in its historical and cultural context (Greek philosophy and Persian dualism converging on the ground of heterodox Judaism); free of modern anachronistic interpretations, New Age/Theosophical syncretism, and various forms of misinformation which are sadly running rampant among non-academic online Gnostic communities.

No, it was NOT our "bad karma".

No, we did NOT make "soul contracts" with abusers who are angels on the other side.

No, we DO NOT owe them forgiveness. And NO, forgiveness for abusers will NOT magically heal ourselves.

We. Deserve. Fcking. JUSTICE.

At the very least acknowledgment.

No, out trauma and depression does NOT make us "low vibrational".

FCK their just world fallacy and spiritual bypassing further hurting us. Fck their smugness.

I'm so fcking angry right now...

/Rant over

This is one of the most harmful ies spread by new agers.

No sane person would concent to suffering, or intentionally cause there own suffering. No one would will such misfortune into existence. When the "Law" inevitably fails, people will blame and hate themselves for creating more suffering. Wondering what they are doing wrong?

The only sense in which this "archetype" is functioning among Jungians is to insulate themselves from any criticism by primitive talk in the same level as "no, you" or "your mum lol", but disguised as complex and intellectualised psychoanalysis.

This attitude makes it easier for narcissistic people who like to have power to exercise control over more emotionally vulnerable people, i.e. gaslighting. In every situation where a Jungian crosses the boundaries of healthy human contact or breach of ethical boundaries it's explained that 'everyone has their Shadow' and 'after all, the victims are also a somewhat guilty, because there are no flawless people'.

Generally standard sectarian behaviour, so there is nothing to be surprised about.