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So Malediction whole thing is draining life force right??? So how would that work to beings like cursed spirits who don’t follow normal rules of a normal biological life forms

Can cursed spirits heal from life drain as their literal life force is cursed energy

What about other non normal biological based beings from other series like chakra beast/tailed beast who operates on Chakra???

What about a straight up non living being aka shikigami like Mahoraga???

Yang Cheng E-Soul
Kashimo (jjk)
Sojo (kagurabachi)

All at full power

Round 1 with base Kashimo
Round 2 with MBA Kashimo available

from “To Be Hero X”

Is it the nullification of cursed techniques in general needs output (like Hana needs to be stronger to bypass Gojo infinity and turn off limitless), or the ct nullification is unconditional but ripping the cursed object or Cursed technique away from them that requires the output difference???

Seems to be a pretty common argument for most people when talking about Takaba crossverse match up is that he can be perception/speed blitz one shotted, how true is this???

Is it supersonic? Hypersonic? Or even massively hypersonic???

I remember when there are multiple that said lightning timer meta cuz of Sojo lightning cloak but then I see the other side that still hypes up hypersonic level speed feats which confuses me a bit

So if you feel free, pls tell me in your opinion how fast they are, an explanation for why can be helpful ty

Yes flame bone full power and Mahoraga is allowed

Warning : this is obviously a bad scaling and should not be used for an actual debate, we will never break the mach 3 kaisen

So in the Zenin Massacre arc Maki manages to tag Naoya at his peak speed

In the anime, Naoya manages to Tag Maki using projection sorcery to freeze her And accelerate and runs around at that exact time he returns, Maki starts to unfreeze aka 1 second

Based on the calcs I find on Reddit, it reaches around Mach 22 because he covered the entire distance in one second

Considering the anime ignores Naoya Transonic statement, we can assume (cope) that the anime will obviously retcon Mach 3 statement as it will be too contradictory to the feats they make

In the manga, when Naoya turn into a cursed spirits, his stats goes from transonic to at minimum supersonic, I’ll assume it’s around 20% as 20% in jjk is a big gap in stats

Not only that, Naoya also accelerates all the way to mach 3 in the manga which mean his peak speed is 3 times faster

Based on this simple multiplier we can calc it to mach 22 + 20% which is mach 26,4 and then multiply by 3 which we ended with mach 79,2 so let’s just round it up to mach 80

Of course Maki gets upscaled from this as once she is awakened, she casually evades all attacks from Naoya as if she just achieved ultra instinct and of course again this will upscales everyone relative to Awakened Maki (ignore the fact Naoya needs to accelerate to reach mach 3 and Maki got precog esque ability to dodge preemptively cuz this won’t work with my agenda and the Anime probably retcon that and make Maki dodge full speed Naoya regardless with or without precog)

Later on, we see Sukuna at 15f can casually perception blitz Ryu who is obviously on the same ballpark of stats as Maki considering he keep up with Yuta who is relative to Maki

To speed blitz someone, you need to be atleast three times faster than the other, however to perception blitz someone, you need atleast to be 5 to 10 times faster

That means 15f sukuna is 5 - 10 times faster than anyone on Maki level which means he is around mach 400 to 800

Not only that, since this is 15f sukuna, while the increase in power is inconsistent, we can assume he is only around 75% as a lowball since he could be way stronger as the fingers power is stated to be exponential

So mach 400 + 25% = mach 500 at low ball or mach 800 + 25% = mach 1.000 at high ball

So there you have it, Calamity Grades can be wanked to Mach 500 to 1000 and Heavy Hitters is around Mach 80

This also does not contradict with any anti feats except mach 3 Kaisen

Piercing blood does not have a cap, it’s speed is based on the output and mach 1 is just the floor/minimum speed to perform which means it’s an upscale for piercing blood to be fast

The gun is also not contradict as Kenny specifies that it’s good as a sneak attack cuz it’s low ce makes it difficult to detect and can caught someone who haven’t reinforced it in time

yes even lightning being a sure hit is not contradict this as obviously nothing applies that the calamity grades will get blitz too and any heavy hitter is still completely gets blitz cuz their mach 80 ass ain’t dodging a lightning (lightning is around mach 1300)

Not only that, sukuna that got hit by lightning is a significantly injured and nerfed sukuna and is at best around 50% or even below of his true power which is around mach 400-500 aka not enough to evade the peak speed of a true lightning (and even at peak speed, the lightning is still mach 300 faster)

Also also, it supports by the fact the two calamity grades, gojo is said to be capable of performing black flash at will if it’s pure timing only and Modulo Yuji here is outright doing it at will, the black flash speed feat can be calced up to mach 284.4 all the way to mach 932.9 (definitely did not took this scaling from a certain vs channel)

Reminder : this is an utter bs coping scaling and should not be used for actual serious debate

If you really want this feat to work, you better be praying that the mach 3 statement and the lightning being a surehit is retconned in anime

Thank you for reading this comically unnecessary cope-scaling. To anyone else riding this cope train to the end: godspeed

Warning : this is obviously a bad scaling and should not be used for an actual debate, we will never break the mach 3 kaisen

So in the Zenin Massacre arc Maki manages to tag Naoya at his peak speed

In the anime, Naoya manages to Tag Maki using projection sorcery to freeze her And accelerate and runs around at that exact time he returns, Maki starts to unfreeze aka 1 second

Based on the calcs I find on Reddit, it reaches around Mach 22 because he covered the entire distance in one second

Considering the anime ignores Naoya Transonic statement, we can assume (cope) that the anime will obviously retcon Mach 3 statement as it will be too contradictory to the feats they make

In the manga, when Naoya turn into a cursed spirits, his stats goes from transonic to at minimum supersonic, I’ll assume it’s around 20% as 20% in jjk is a big gap in stats

Not only that, Naoya also accelerates all the way to mach 3 in the manga which mean his peak speed is 3 times faster

Based on this simple multiplier we can calc it to mach 22 + 20% which is mach 26,4 and then multiply by 3 which we ended with mach 79,2 so let’s just round it up to mach 80

Of course Maki gets upscaled from this as once she is awakened, she casually evades all attacks from Naoya as if she just achieved ultra instinct and of course again this will upscales everyone relative to Awakened Maki (ignore the fact Naoya needs to accelerate to reach mach 3 and Maki got precog esque ability to dodge preemptively cuz this won’t work with my agenda and the Anime probably retcon that and make Maki dodge full speed Naoya regardless with or without precog)

Later on, we see Sukuna at 15f can casually perception blitz Ryu who is obviously on the same ballpark of stats as Maki considering he keep up with Yuta who is relative to Maki

To speed blitz someone, you need to be atleast three times faster than the other, however to perception blitz someone, you need atleast to be 5 to 10 times faster

That means 15f sukuna is 5 - 10 times faster than anyone on Maki level which means he is around mach 400 to 800

Not only that, since this is 15f sukuna, while the increase in power is inconsistent, we can assume he is only around 75% as a lowball since he could be way stronger as the fingers power is stated to be exponential

So mach 400 + 25% = mach 500 at low ball or mach 800 + 25% = mach 1.000 at high ball

So there you have it, Calamity Grades can be wanked to Mach 500 to 1000 and Heavy Hitters is around Mach 80

This also does not contradict with any anti feats except mach 3 Kaisen

Piercing blood does not have a cap, it’s speed is based on the output and mach 1 is just the floor/minimum speed to perform which means it’s an upscale for poercing blood to be fast

The gun is also not contradict as Kenny specifies that it’s good as a sneak attack cuz it’s low ce makes it difficult to detect and can caught someone who haven’t reinforced it in time

yes even lightning being a sure hit is not contradict this as obviously nothing applies that the calamaty grades will get blitz too and any heavy hitter is still completely gets blitz cuz their mach 80 ass ain’t dodging a lightning (lightning is around mach 1300)

Not only that, sukuna that got hit by lightning is a significantly injured and nerfed sukuna and is at best around 50% or even below of his true power which is around mach 400-500 aka not enough to evade the peak speed of a true lightning (and even at peak speed, the lightning is still mach 300 faster)

Also also, it supports by the fact the two calamity grades, gojo is said to be capable of performing black flash at will if it’s pure timing only and Modulo Yuji here is outright doing it at will, the black flash speed feat can be calced up to mach 284.4 all the way to mach 932.9 (definitely did not took this scaling from a certain vs channel)

Reminder : this is an utter bs coping scaling and should not be used for actual serious debate

If you really want this feat to work, you better be praying that the mach 3 statement and the lightning being a surehit is retconned in anime

Thank you for reading this comically unnecessary cope-scaling. To anyone else riding this cope train to the end: godspeed

So Yuki has some sort of immunity to conceptual abilities that needs to target a user??? I don’t fully understand how that exactly works but Kenjaku said that she basically defies concepts.

Fami (Death) ability would be considered as conceptual abilities right? After all Devil in csm is connected to its concepts.

So if Fami target Yuki to induce death on her…

…can Yuki mass defies this? or Death ability ignores it and kills Yuki instantly?

Something something both have Ideologies involving wars

Who wins and how close is this fight???

The reason why Dabura couldn’t reach Light speed is because he and basically anyone can’t handle the Acceleration of Light speed

So I challenge you to make a combination existing powers in JJK to find a way to bypass this limitation

It can be anything except one : no Comedian cuz that’s straight up cheating

You will get a special character for this challenge that you can edit to achieve this

This character is a true Part Human, Part Simurians, and Part Cursed Spirits with all the perks but without the weakness (it has the “can’t be killed by any non ce stuff” but is also not weak to RCT and even can heal via RCT)

It also has a unique properties that has the ability to use any CT simultaneously while also capable of holding as much CT as it needs

It can also be apply a six eyes, Sukuna body or even Heavenly Restrictions (and it will only get the positive properties

You can use binding vow if you think you need to

Good luck

I don’t have either of them

Basically, if every member of a clan was merged into one ultimate fighter with their peak stats and all abilities and then challenged to defeat the other clan's composite fighter, who would win?

Edit :
Before anyone mistaken, this isn’t a group based on the clan vs the other clan

But rather a ultimate warrior that is consist of the clan listed with their stat being the highest from the clan along with all of their abilities so this isn’t win by how many calamities member have or else I would have balanced it out in that way

Basically example like Gojo Clan; is basically Gojo with Yuta reserve, CT and jjk0 Rika and more

Rules :
- the stats they have will be determined by the best stats from each member of said clan
- the members have to be blood related to count to the family (except meguna who will get a penalty for it)
- They can use all of their available CT simultaneously (they can choose which sure hit they will use in domain)
- If there’s Any ability that clash to the other and it’s not because of the drawback of that ability, it will be reworked so it does not clash (ex : HR will keep all their perks and stats but can still use ce it just that the CE is undetectable so it still immune to closed domain)

- Character Specific Rules;
• Yuka and Tsurugi will only be considered as Zenin clan (also they don’t get Yuta Ring)
• Sukuna has no access to 10s but do have restricted WCS
• Meguna in zenin clan has no Access to his CE reserves, WCS, Fuga or true form (can learn it the same way he did canonically tho) along with only have 80% of his output. The rest is okay to use
• Kenny will have all cursed spirits the moment before he dies

Bonus Round : fuck it, Ignore the Character Specific rule and let it rip;
• Yuka and Tsurugi is now considered as both gojo and zenin clan (tldr; Gojo clan gets 10s, SSK, Tsurugi sword and HR; While Zenin clan gets Yuta ring)
• Sukuna and Meguna now has access to everything Sukuna has
• Kenjaku gets all cursed spirits he ever gets in his life
• might as well add Todo for Kamo (can’t leave his brother alone), Tsumiki and Yorozu by extension for Zenin clan (I know she’s not blood related but fuck it)

both from DBZ Dokkan Battle version only