u/_DemonxD

I have about 22 head, most of my does will be pregnant and I have quite a few youngins who aren’t being bred obviously. I have a mixed herd of 20 girls, only 4 of them are full sized goats, with three 3 “mini’s” the rest are all pure or mostly nigerian conforming. 2 bucks, one mini lamancha and one fullsized

Just wanting to see if anyone has similar numbers to me and has wintered that many, last year we cleared out all of our wethers which left us with 15 to winter in the coldest part. and most of our does were pregnant, but we fed two round bales inside for the coldest part, and two outside. And we aren’t EVER doing that EVER again. It was horrible it took us three days, two pitch forks and a lot of manual labor to get all of the hay they wasted out, with adequate breaks since the mold spores were so bad.

Just rough estimates are fine, I know that 4 ~100lbs goats can go through an entire round bale in a month if given nothing else. It only gets cold enough to be locked inside in December-January for us. What got us last year was the ice storms making it completely unbearable to go outside, even for our Pyrenees. The goats only went outside when the wind wasn’t going, it was so bad that my girls were getting wet and becoming a hypothermia risk so we had to feed them inside, no other way to.

I’ve exhausted all other solutions, but I NEED this doe to be away from her kid, she simply will. It wean her. And I’ve put it off wayyy too long. She’s pretty much full grown (I think) and I can’t keep her in a separate pen, she’s escaped everything I have, and the last thing I have is a dog kennel run, which I can use but I have no shelter for her and building one in there would be very cramped and unethical for her since she’s the only one who is giving me problems I have another doeling I can throw in there, but she’s an escape artist and my final straw was when she almost got ran over by a deliver driver in a van.

This is my last resort and some tips on what Yall use would be greatly appreciated!

It seems like the same person who has messaged me before since the story/script was the same. but it was on a different animal. I had them posted on Craigslist. (Yeah don’t even get me started, i mostly use FB and only post animals there if i cant get them sold on FB after a couple weeks)

I mentioned in the Ad and in the messages that I only wanted to do cash in hand and was completely ignored, and they said that their daughter couldn’t do the payment but would come pick them up since the daughter did not have a personal bank.

I’m sorry but that just doesn’t make sense. How can they not have a personal bank like at all and no money either, like cash app and plenty of other online bank apps allow you to withdrawal money at any time and pretty much anywhere where there’s a ATM (with a small fee of course) and your allowed to have it at I think 13. how can they not hand or send money to their daughter for her to withdrawal or in hand to go pick the animal up. It started to make less and less sense the more messages they sent.

I eventually got irritated becuase I was being talked in circles and told them that if they can’t do money in hand don’t even bother showing up and I blocked them. How can people be so dense. And I know the phone number they used is a throwaway number. (Snippet of convo in comments, all personal info is blocked out for privacy)

To preface this; we have learned our lesson and will from now refrain from purchasing second hand/flipped salebarn goats unless I’m taking them to the processor the same day.

This happened almost a year ago, but it’s been something I like to think about since it was so strange.

The goats were already in pretty deep crap right off the trailer when we got them. Large and gorgeous all riding BCS of a 1-2 and seemingly just like they had all dried off recently.

The guy delivered them the day after we contacted them. They were in horrible condition, the trailer looked like it had never been cleaned out a day in its life; which means either the 8 of them were living in it for quite some time or it had never been cleaned, and I’d like to lean towards the first thought.

3 days passed and one of them was acting very very sickly, she still wanted to run from me so I had to corner her and put her in a smaller pen to monitor her. Her famacha was about as white as printer paper, her skin was tight and she was actively losing heat. I put a towel over her and gave her what little bits of things I did have. I syringe fed her water after giving her some power punch since everything was closed. I tried to keep her sternal, but she kept flailing over onto her side and just screaming in pain. She was having bowel movements, but it was only the water I had fed her. At this point I knew there was very little chance of her recovering, she had no interest in swallowing pretty much liquified food and would only take real fluids down. And every time she swallowed she would scream.

Was this rumen shutdown? Or just immense stress from being kept on a trailer for god knows how long, coccidiosis, or something else?

The vet did a fecal on of the other goats that looked similar and said that their coccidia count was stupid hig

I’ve noticed the same 2-3 does coming back into heat like every other week since the end of may. This is called short cycling right? Is it bad if they have such short cycles so frequently? Ranging from 6+ yrs 3yrs and 11 months. All three are related. Two others are related but they aren’t cycling anywhere near as noticeably as the three I’ve stated.

Note that my buck pen is right next to my does. It can’t be anywhere else though since all of my electric fence chargers need power, and it’s the only way to keep the ND buck contained. I got lucky when he hopped the fence in the other paddock a few weeks prior and no fornicating was done as he went to the front fence line that had Hotwire ran on top of it. (Good idea in hindsight tbh) (It’s just one stand of Hotwire along the top of panels/ some pallets) they respect it if it’s hot thankfully.

They are heathy, like pretty much borderline obese and that’s just off of pasture alone I don’t feed my goats more than I have to especially if they are just fine with what they have. (Excluding lactating, sick or pregnant of course) Can I assume I have really ‘convincing’ buck and all three of them are just madly in love with him or is it something problematic?

She’s around 4 yrs old and has never had a CDT shot (just vaccinated her today since she’s now on the mend)

I want some opinions on what could have happened other than my own opinion.

On the 4th I went out to milk my Nigerians fed them a small portion of grain, nothing huge or drastic it’s the purina feed to farm goat feed, I was fresh out of hay pellets and would get some the next day since I was going to a gathering for celebrating the 4th.

I get home at around 1 am and go out for a general headcount and checking water for all of the animals. It was pretty wet for the first part of the day but dry later in the night and most of our goats sleep outside as long as it’s not torrential downpour or really swampy outside.

When I go out to check this doe had the whole barn plastered in liquid explosive diarrhea, I took action gave her probiotics, liquid b12, power punch, and gave her a few CCs of electrolytes to help and get her through the night.

Next day she was outside and still not feeling great but up and moving, but still not wanting to take food. Gave her the same concoction I gave her the night before. I gave her some hay pellets and dry beet pellets (refuses to eat them any other way) she ate some but not a whole lot. I would put her body score at a 1.5 bordering a 2 which is not at all normal for this doe, she usually averages a 2.5 in milk and a 3 when not in milk.

Today she is up and around eating, actively foraging for herself but I think the diarrhea is still present, I’ve not seen her pass stool in front of me but she’s not soiled on her less or vagina and I don’t have her off by herself in our barn since it’s not tempature controlled so I’m not entirely sure what her stool looks like now.

I gave her a CDT shot today, and a copper bolus since I think she cheated back in February and spit over half of it out.

I feel like she got grain acidosis from staying inside all day and only having grain in the afternoon. Opinions?