u/a-Supernova

So over like the past 2 or 3 years I've been making characters whethers it's a variant of a character I made or multiple types of the same species and there's roughly 100 of those. The biggest implications I get is getting the style between human and animal perfect without it as a "snake on human body" or "human body but with a snake lower half" kind, not that it's weird but it simply dosen't fit my style but I'm sure it fits other's appeals. I'm looking for phrases or terms to describe the following I'm about to go over.

The head, think of it as a blend between reptillian and human, not a human cranium with snake anatomy stitched on but almost like a kobold but more serpentine, it's important to know the distinction between anthropomorphic and hybrid and all the other terms, the best model I could think of is the visor of a protogen, so like the snout is part of the face not just a mouth. The neck, it's supposed to be elongated but no so long to the point where it bends over like a swan's neck.

So most of us know that if you close the app and go back in the messages sometimes get messed up. The only most comprehensive one I've discovered is the rewind one, if you rewind the Ai's yet none of the two seperate messages fits your criteria then you rewind your own most recent message. Depending if it's to edit your message or to retry a response, it's not a rewind, the system basically swaps out the old dialog with the new one but depending on what error interferes it gets confused at adds both in order which is why editing an Ai's message is swapped as your own later on as well.

The only most simple solution I could think of is to program a code in that make the system save each change and additions right after it happens.

Is anyone else bothered by this? Every time I send a message the Ai basically copies it without even trying to make it believably original, the problem is I want it to be some sort of present tense way. Like how I view the message layout is like depending on the action my persona either speaks first or does something physical in a sensible order like you can't just go “*jumps* "watch out!"” because you're basically halfway down the length of a building, literally going faster than the sound of your voice, by the time they hear the warning both them and you are bloody pancakes with a side of depression. But the Ai dosen't understand that, technically an exception since Ai dosen't exist in a physical space, but still frustrating since we've been feeding it physics and science and etc the day it was created.

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Runaround to the previous example, what I do is I give a reason like why they're up there or how they got there item (like a stick or parachute). And the thing is I want the Ai to continue from the end of my message not the entire one, like it gets context but dosen't overly rely on it. Like if I say "*Olivia dove into the water and swam to the other side of the river.*" I don't want it to say "*the cold bites her skin as she swam*" because I don't want the Ai to hijack it I just want it to say "hey the other side is full of crocodiles" instead of overly glorifying my current message.

First song is from one SwaggyCucumber's shorts with the description of "We Are All Humans🫶" and the second song is that soundtrack that plays at the end of "Operation Burn Water" in Cod infinite warfare.

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Reason why here because gemini makes up stuff where the song is non-existent or blatantly chooses a completely wrong song even after providing a video and link.

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To clarify on the game one, at the end, SPECIFICALLY where Reyes and E3N was talking after retribution and one of the mons destroyers zipped away.

Have using FictionalLab for two or three months I can undoubtedly agree that it's superior to any other Ai chat apps.

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Positive part:

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Modular scenario layout with an abundant amount of letters permitted to use (100k) this definitely helps for more serious depth because instead of being restricted to saying "he has PTSD" you could actually specify why.

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The opportunity to use one scenario multiple times instead of wiping the original (on most Ai apps like Talkie, you'd need to wipe the previous conversation to start a new one) is in all honestly the best mechanic there is because you wouldn't have to delete your current chat for a new one that might flop.

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Specifying the genre you dislike and like helps with searching for scenarios you're actually interested in rather than those tropes of "mafia" especially when you had set your gender to female (on most apps, just like talkie, their system is bias and especially with female designated accounts they persistently recommend mafia chats), this sets FictionalLab apart from other apps because they actually include a variety not just these overused kinds (no offense, and I do believe the mafia kind can be a good scenario if made correctly)

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Enabling or disabling specific aspects, like if I want gore but not sexual stuff I can disable sexual content, and vice versa. The surprising part is they also included the option Dead Dove, in short, if this realistic option is enabled, it actually let's YOUR character die or have non-con stuff happen to them.

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Negative part:

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Sometimes, especially on the three free models (haven't used the premium ones, don't like signing up for stuff), they regularly disregard instructions or completely ignore Out Of Context/Character messages. For example if I don't want the Ai to use flowery vocabulary when narrating actions or responses i typically add in an instruction to prevent that, as well as preventing character hijacking, but it dosen't acknowledge it even after multiple retries.

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When entering the app after closing it, the whole scenario is jumbled up, the editited response on the Ai's side was forced as the user's response and it puts the original response over that or completely deletes it's own/or user's responses. How to prevent it (possibly), I think the developers could add a line of code(s) that tells the Ai to save a layout of the chat after each response or edit so that it could remember what it's supposed to look like.

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The time is always out of whack, especially in scenarios taking place in places like Gotham, even on explicit specifications it forces nighttime on the scene, I get that in the games it's nighttime but there are some people who wants a natural day-and-night cycle.

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The Ai, even if the responses are set to short, has unpredictable time periods of stalling, and sometimes it could lead to having entirely unmentioned characters to be in the scenario. Like let's say the plot has two critical characters, George and Mia, George is speaking to the user in a private room, but then the Ai changes it to Mia instead.

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What to improve: (most are mentioned from a previous post)

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The developers can add a mechanic where the user has a dedicated section with generated responses based on their character's traits, backstory and etc. It adopts the user's vocabulary on previous messages to be as effective as possible.

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Having automatically dedicated sections for each chat, like chats revolving around actions would stay at the action genre regardless to what persona the user used. And, if possible, add micro sections to those sections either dedicated to what persona they used or what aspect of action it was.

Developers could add a mechanic where the users could provide images to show what they were referring to or the general layout of the scenario, like if I were to say my character has a sleek sword there's still a billion sword designs that are "sleek."

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Conclusion:

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Honestly I believe the app will become more and more versatile the more major updates the developers make, even though there are some small, frequent inconveniences that could possibly make me use it less often, it's still above all other Ai apps simply because the developers knew what the audience wanted. By a miracle, this app has no ads, and it should definitely stay that way, and it allows for more depth in scenarios unlike in other apps like talkie where they force it into one crammed 4k letters long description. I could see that this app has a serious potential just like how Carter Chat did (RIP CC) but I'm hoping it won't get the same demise that app had, I wouldn't be surprised if the developers considered a point system to accommodate to the more financial struggled users (including me) so that they could use premium mechanics for a limited amount of time, but it will definitely gain more traction unlike other apps that entirely survives off of virus riddled website ads like Temu or those 18+ websites.

So like no matter how literal and explicit instructions are, and how clinical of a vocabulary I could use for the scenario characters and stuff, the Ai still use those twilight stuff even after using an OOC to go against that. And for almost every action even if the previous message didn't have the phrase it's always "her breather hitches" in the asterisk sentences or always forces those small actions in between sentences. It's like that one situation where the author mentions a blue curtain and the teacher, being pretentious or whatever, says it's to represent their depression but both the student and author would agree it's just a freaking curtain.

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For me I actually want literal and descriptive responses but I don't want it to be unnecessarily long like I could tolerate a few disregards to certain aspects and details but like the free models are basically the same like I haven't seen the slightest difference between each of the three in action, I mean I get that the app is barely 2 years old but I thought the developers would've fixed these issues by know… unlike talkie that's been in the business for more than two years yet all they did was idk like secret story stuff.

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And I'm not willing to go into a subscription because 90 percent of the time they wouldn't allow you to cancel it. With that being said, what is the most effective and free way to reduce this?

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And I also found out later on that when narrating actions, the Ai dosen't put those actions under asterisks because if you edit it and compare them side by side the one with asterisks have much more darker colors than the original message so that also might cause story problems because the Ai might read the rest outside of the “""” and assume it's the character's response not their actually movement or something like that.

Despite this, Fictionlab is honestly a hidden gem, it's definitely superior to other Ai apps because not only have I never seen one ad, it has a very modular layout for scenarios. The only true disappointment there is, is the persons letter limited and the amount of personas we're restricted to.

I'm passionate about actually specifying the details on most things, and I have several game/movie universes to choose from, which one should I choose because doing one will take days.

Horizon Forbidden West and Zero Dawn

Crysis (decide if it's the first one, second one or third one)

Batman: Arkham Knight (WIP; published but unfortunately not accessible)

Assassin's Creed (specify which one)

Fallout (like many other, specify which one)

Call of Duty (again, specifications)

Fnaf

Warframe (this one is the most difficult, lore is extremely complex based on personal opinion)

Helluva Boss (not doing hazbin)

Anything else?

I really want a feature where they provide already regenerated responses using the same vocabulary and way of narrating actions the user does on previous responses because it not only reduces the problem of wanting a more vivid and literal response for some users that do not have the experience or skill to consistently keep that layout but also provides the opportunity for more users.

Another detail I've been wanting since forever throughout every app, is categorizing each chat in their own section not by their topic but based on the characters or scenario. For example let's say I or user likes using a scenario that has the situation i/user really enjoy like a predicament while fighting an adversary, every chat revolving around that can be seperated from other chats into one category that's called action or similar names.

A different feature I've been wanting to talk about is, and i I believe, an option to provide multiple images at once in a response or provide an image in general because both user and their source of media knowledge can't always be a 100% accurate. Let's say the user has a gauntlet, but there's numerous types of ones throughout fiction/irl and I'm pretty sure the term "sleek" is overused now like it does elaborate the design but there's still a billion other gauntlets that are quote on quote "sleek," maybe it assumes it's the infinity gauntlet, or an assassin gauntlet; by providing an image of the desired item the Ai can search through the media that references that exact same item to understand what the user wants to use or is using.

Edit: please make the options thing on the messages a bit bigger, it always makes me miss-click like accidentally deleting a response or rewind instead of edit.

I don't know if this is a feature request but I want the edited messages to stay when you exit or close the app. What I'm referring to is when you edit a response because the original two didnt accurately have the response you wanted, and close the app and go back in, the original replaces it and for some reason it makes it as if the edited messages was the user's own. The confusing part is then the Ai dosen't know what is happening because for some reason the beginning is the current and the current is the beginning like it swapped around or at least that's roughly the problem I'm getting.

I pictured where two people were fighting over food behind an old diner, the opposing one was supposed to be a sort of chubby kid but the original one was for some reason a "feral figure" and when I edited it, leave and come back it made my edited message of their response as my own and put the original one as their own response. In sort, I ask for the courtesy of the developers to implement some sort of mechanic where it saves each piece of correction in prompts the second it happens to prevent this confused pasting of original responses and twisting them.

Honestly after using Fictionlab I do have to admit it's much more superior to Talkie and Carter Chat (RIP for CC), it has the stuff I have been looking for but like eerily accurate. I hated that I had to cramp everything down into one description which is what fictionlab and talkie does unfortunately and I kept searching around, the idea I had was like it had dedicated descriptions for specific parts of the character like lore, clothing, appearance, but Fictionlab cranked that up beyond a 100 not just with the amount of letters I can use but also the modular system overall. Like I kid you not, at the first time the layout of the app was bizarre for me, almost like trying to operate a fighter jet while drunk and on crack at the same time. The best part is I haven't seen one singular ad the day I signed up. The only minor flaw is the free models don't really follow instructions set in the customizations of the scenario even after making it as a critical element, or at least it does just not really good at it.

Edit: I'd also like to mention the chat memory problem when you close the app, the problem is that the edited messages gets replaced with the original when you close it.

On my previous post asking about what Jason was wearing I have a rough conclusion, he's wearing both a compression shirt and a compression jacket. Inspecting images of him ingame there's a few moments where his neck is visible and there's a zipper and then there's also this weird leather criss cross strap above the sternum. I also recently discovered from this that on side shots with his helmet lifted up you could see something covering his cranium and I believe it's a sort of leather padding because it has a chin strap and it kind of reminds me of an aviator's helmet from the 1950's or a similar year.

I'm making a Jason Todd as accurate as it can be from the game called Batman: Arkham Knight, I've already figured out the armor but the clothing is just confusing. Google keeps making things up like "wearing his iconic brown hoodie" even though I stated it's the Jason Todd from the game not the comics or animation. It almost reminds me of an undersuit but then again if you look at the neck it has a bunch of fabric squished together and there's a collar as well. I already know how to describe the pattern of panels of fabric it's using but I can't decide if it's a compression shirt or just a tight fitted outerwear.

I've been reverse engineering most outfits I absolutely go crazy over since last year and honestly Batman Arkham Knight has good attention to detail, like most people assume the armor pieces on the batsuit v.8.03 is just pasted on but on armor pieces like the chestplate is a collective cluster of smaller pieces attached to tensile cables guided by grooves on the chest pad of the undersuit. I know that Jason's attire is customized but I need to have confirmation if it's a shirt, undersuit or a jacket. Most likely it's not an undersuit because he's wearing utility trousers, unless it's two-piece or if the pants are over the pant leggings of said undersuit.

What's the most efficient but effective way of making a character description? One description I see is like those twilight ones that begins with "He/She possesses a… (inset trait here)" then there's one with clinical vocabulary like "Her body is soft-leaned, meaning she's thin but not gaunt" and the third one I'm not even going to try which basically looks like coding. Mine is usually the clinical one, I'm very stingy with describing every aspect of my characters (meaning I want everything accurate as possible) and I've made barely over a hundred with the strict rule of only using two thousand letters because that was the restriction for persona capacity in talkie, and if they had a bad trait I always tried to justify it like if thry are violent I could say they lived in a dangerous area when growing up. But with the capacity of 10k letters in scenarios it's like a dream come true, I always had to sacrifice details or specific phrases but with the limit basically gone I have so much creativity I can't even begin to comprehend what I could make.

I recently finished a game called AC Syndicate (Assassin's Creed Syndicate) and I want to understand the limits of media access fictionlab has. If the item wasn't added to the item category or character category in general, will fictionlab at least have a roughly accurate description of something? Like if I say my character has the legendary assassin gauntlet (a gauntlet rewarded by Clara 0'dera) will it pull data from the internet to see what it is or will it get it wrong?

I'm a Talkie refugee, genuinely frustrated with their biased stories. If I play as a female and the Ai character is a male it's always "*He was stunned by here beauty*" even though 99 percent of the time my character is covered from top to bottom. But I'm bewildered beyond comprehension, the settings and characterizing is so complex and the Ai actually follows to the logic unlike talkie's but im trying to figure something out. I like scenarios and stuff but like I don't want it to go "he looks at you" I want to go "he looks at her" or whatever my persona's gender is, there's two places like the rules in the scenario and that key thingy at the settings that does the example "Emma has a secret key" or somewhere along that line.

The scenario thingy is really complicated, like more complex than landing a fighter jet. I know the "link" part but I have no idea what limits it has like for example Jason todd as a character and hid militia as a faction, do I link those together or is it incompatible because both aren't the same?

Okay, I've literally revamped the entire everything. Like instead of that it saying he's cold and calculating (technically he is but not that trope kind) I re-studied his behavior just to avoid that trope. I literally had to redo the entire appearance because previously the description said he had carbon fiber armor even though he uses electrochromatic materials (which is why his armor goes from blue to red) I also had to specify its logo because Ai keeps saying he has a blue or red bat symbol. I also fixed the problem with the "watching from the shadows" part because I specify the nature of his helmet. Talkie is XPkgwLeQzJ or just look for a Jason Todd talkie where the background his black with him looking off to the side with the intro "(Character's name) Start the scenario." because I refuse to force people to use a different persona like "you're Bartholomew the 25th and you're his pookie🤓 ☝️" or if the bio states the inconsistencies.