After 35 different remedies and 29 appointments in 3 months, the only thing that has reversed a 7-month nearly linear decline in sleep duration of ~1 hour per night is 3 mg doxepin and 5 mg of Belsomra. What likely caused this, and how can I prevent this from happening again?
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After 35 different remedies and 29 appointments in 3 months, the only thing that has reversed a 7-month nearly linear decline in sleep duration of ~1 hour per night is 3 mg doxepin and 5 mg of Belsomra. What likely caused this, and how can I prevent this from happening again?

For reference, I'm 25M, 6'0" 187 lbs., 16% BF, with a 17" neck. Not sure what else is useful. I attached a list of symptoms in a document as well. Broadly, I have a mild sleep apnea diagnosis by RDI, and no insomnia diagnosis yet (I have an in-lab sleep study on Tuesday). I have been utterly confounded by a recent development since March of this year, where my sleep duration has steadily declined from 7 hours and 19 minutes per day to 6 hours and 28 minutes this October. Lately, nights were quite bad, at 4.5-6.5 hours, and the two medications I started last week have seemed to help, albeit with massive drowsiness during the day.

Importantly, nobody seems to know why this is going on.

  • I don't really think my SDB is the reason (though something may have worsened it, which I detail below), since that almost certainly didn't develop in the last 7 months.
  • I also don't think that a medication change could have caused it, since a decline from a new medication would have likely been rapid and then plateaued; my decline is slow and consistent.
  • Training and life stress have not varied or been particularly onerous compared to before this period, so I've ruled that out too. It is not stress! I have very minimal stress in my life.

Some of my theories:

  • I have theorized that my neck circumference growing from power cleans and general muscle mass may be worsening it gradually... but I only measured my neck last week, so I can't prove it, and I have been cutting for the last 3 out of these 7 months.
  • I had a cold in Colorado in February that was quite bad, but I find it challenging to believe that after recovering, something would gradually change as a result that would gradually, rather than quickly, destroy my sleep length.

Anyone have any ideas? Doctors have been... shockingly useless here. I want to know the reason behind this so I can prevent this from happening after getting a septoplasty next month... and potentially other treatments.

u/apost54 — 4 days ago
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CPAP adjustments with 1.67 Glasgow index and shortened sleep?

After much consternation, I rented a ResMed Airsense 11. Full face mask. I almost certainly need nasal surgery and allergy shots, but in the meantime, this was what I needed... in any event, my sleep is even worse. Averaging 6 hours per night with constant micro-wakeups. I got a Glasgow index of 1.67 last night with an EPR of 2 and pressure from 9-13. How can I adjust this to work better? My main issue is that I wake up hours before my alarm and cannot fall back asleep.

u/apost54 — 1 month ago
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What's my best course forward? Mild OSA diagnosis, but I suspect UARS (5.8 pRDI, 1.8/3.3 AHI); HSD (25M)

I recently got diagnosed with mild sleep apnea by my ENT surgeon after a lifetime of bad sleep. I did a WatchPAT, and my results are in the title. I think this falls closer to UARS, hence why I'm reposting this here. I'm 25, extremely active and in great shape, and have good sleep hygiene, but I struggle with falling asleep and sleep quality. I have the following issues:

  • Narrow mandible
  • Turbinate hypertrophy
  • Chronic rhinitis since I was 9 years old
  • Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder
  • Bruxism
  • Allergies to various things
  • Mallampati III airway
  • Boggy turbinates and enlarged mucosa
  • Deviated septum
  • Mild to moderate redundancy of soft palate and uvula
  • Various obstructions on a CT scan (Agger nasi cells, Haller cells, etc.)

Basically, my nose and throat are beyond cooked and my airways are likely way floppier than usual due to hypermobility. I am getting an in-lab sleep study in November. However, I'm deeply concerned because the treatment options all seem to have massive tradeoffs:

  • Positional therapy: Despite much lower AHI on my side (2.7 vs. 6.5 supine), I am completely unable to fall asleep on my side and I spent 82% of my WatchPAT study on my back. I don't think this will work.
  • MAD: Could worsen my jaw clicking, and also just not address anything in my nose.
  • Myofunctional therapy: A lot of effort and probably little reward for hypermobile airways. Plus I'd have to find another PT and I'm already in PT a lot for various injuries.
  • PAP: My ENT says it's probably not indicated for me. Plus, no shot I can get laid or date with a mask making me look like Darth Vader. I have nothing against the masks or those who wear them, but I don't think it's attractive to most women my age :/
  • Nasal surgery: Septoplasty seems to hardly improve sleep and turbinate surgeries... well, even a .1% chance of Empty Nose Syndrome is 1 in 1,000, which means a large hospital would have several patients a year--or month--with it.
  • Jaw surgery/MMA/MARPE: Seems promising enough, but I doubt insurance covers it and I'm just a law student--I don't have any money yet.

I've already tried Intake bands and a lot of other lifestyle things and they just don't work. Nasal sprays are useless. I would love Inspire but I don't think I'd qualify through insurance.

I know my concern about PAP may be irrational, but I also don't think I'd tolerate it. In any event... how the hell do I sleep well now? What are my options that I haven't considered that might actually work given my constraints?

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u/apost54 — 2 months ago

What increases metabolism beyond lifestyle changes?

I’m 25M and in fairly good shape. 6’, 190 lbs, roughly 16% body fat. But I was placed on an antipsychotic medication at a young age for years, leading to weight gain that persisted from when I was 9 to 20. A study by Leibel and Rosenbaum shows that this might have caused my RMR to permanently tank way below what it should be.

Currently, I’m lifting 4 days a week, doing jump sessions for vertical jump training, and playing basketball twice per week in addition to getting around 8,000 steps per day. I’ve been eating around 2,350 calories per day but have lost virtually no weight in the last couple of weeks. My TDEE keeps going down every year despite me being more muscular and active.

Of course, I do not qualify for a GLP-1 since I am too thin. And while my hunger is annoying, I don’t need to eat less because I already feel terrible on this pitiful amount of food for my size while doing this much activity. More steps would just be fatiguing me even more and eating more would tank my cut. Furthermore, my thyroid numbers are normal, though my mother had Hashimoto’s and I am getting further testing to determine if something is up with it.

Therefore, I’d like to know if any sort of non-lifestyle interventions can help me burn more calories so I can actually fuel my body and lose those last few pounds and get to 10-12% body fat, which would be optimal for performance.

u/apost54 — 2 months ago

How is Bryce Rainer’s arm right now?

I am a pitcher who had the same injury as him in my throwing shoulder last year. Dislocation, torn labrum, surgery—the whole nine yards. I’m now 14 months post-surgery and while I can throw fairly hard (70s, where I used to top out at 80 or so), I am having a lot of arm pain and rotator cuff tendinitis. I know Rainer is raking in the minors, but has anyone seen his arm? He used to pitch, so I’d figure he‘d try very hard to get his velo back to whip it from short.

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u/apost54 — 3 months ago

Anyone who is NOT in pain fixed their sleep issues?

25M with HSD. Been lifting heavy for 7 years and have no pain because of it. Unfortunately, there is no workout for cortisol. Mine was 14.5 ug/dl at 1:30 PM—well above the 11.9 max in the range. I don’t have immense life stress or anything, I think my body is just producing a shit ton of cortisol because my joints and ligaments are unstable and it wants to stiffen them.

I am on a shit ton of sleep meds, like magnesium glycinate, melatonin, phosphatidylserine, guanfacine, and clonazepam as needed. I barely get by with <7 hours a night and I wake up frequently. I have good sleep hygiene. Is it possible I may have UARS? I don’t have sleep apnea. And what has worked for you guys to lower cortisol?

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u/apost54 — 3 months ago

Good PT in NYC metro or DC area or remote training for RTP that doesn't cost a fortune?

I dislocated my shoulder last year and tore my labrum, requiring 5 anchors to repair it. 13 months out, I am finally throwing again and may be able to get into the 70s, but I am still struggling with constant cracking in my shoulder and arm pain when throwing at high intensity. I feel like I'm at the end of the road with what I can do myself, but Driveline/Tread/performance PT is legit $500-$1000+ a month.

I'm just an average Joe looking to pitch in a rec baseball league and have a catch with my future kids; I'm not trying to rehab to become a pro, so I'd like to not spend an arm and a leg on this. I am currently based in NYC for the summer, and will return to DC in the fall for my last year of law school. Do I have any decent options? I am very skeptical of PT because they often sit me in a corner and have me do band work, which is completely useless as I lift heavy enough to where that's not challenging. I've read HSS is good, but any personal experiences would be very helpful.

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u/apost54 — 4 months ago

I’m a 24M who has played basketball and baseball since I was a young kid and intend to keep doing so as long as possible. I learned from my surgeon last May that I am hypermobile. I have not been able to procure a JHS/HSD diagnosis yet, but I have many symptoms. I have a 5/9 Beighton at least; a subluxed shoulder in 2024 and dislocation in 2025 (surgeon was for that); spondylolisthesis (I had lower back pain at 10); chronic ankle laxity; extremely flexible with no training; my body runs on adrenaline such that sleep is very hard for me; and I have autism and ADHD. 

In any case, I have still managed to be in fairly good shape in spite of this. I had a 37-inch vertical jump at my peak (could dunk at 6 feet tall), I could squat close to 300, bench 225, and deadlift like 430; again, would be higher, but it’s hard to recover from shoulder surgery. I also could throw 80+ MPH in baseball with bad mechanics; I'm sure I could throw harder if I did it with better training.

Right now, I'm in PT for Achilles tendinitis which has finally seemed to resolve after months of PT. Before, I was in PT for my shoulder in the latter half of 2025 and after my subluxation in September 2024. Before that, I've been in PT for lower back pain and spondy-related stuff in 2021 and 2023. I feel like I freaking live in PT, frankly, yet I still am hurt ALL THE TIME. I am 24 years old with the athleticism of a college athlete in some ways and the joints of an 80 year old.  

I also feel like I'm playing whac-a-mole with injuries - one winds down and then I get another. The latest one is when I failed a squat bizarrely and set the safeties too low and got crushed because I am an idiot who didn't consider I would ever fail lifts again. I wasn't even squatting that heavy, just 225 for reps ATG. I’ve been battling 3/10 lower back pain for 2.5 weeks and it hasn’t really gotten away. And I really do not want to go to PT… AGAIN. It’s not a matter of insurance, it’s that I don’t want to be chasing injuries nonstop.

So… does anyone have any suggestions on how I can fix this?

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u/apost54 — 5 months ago