u/ayodeleafolabi

GRRM has a way of foretelling someone's fate. He foretold the death of Robb in the vision at the House of the Undying. And I believe that Tyrion's cyvasse has already spelled in black and white what Young Griff's fate will be.

Aegon was trying to go to Meereen to get Dany and her dragons in order to sail to Westeros but just like in the game, Tyrion dissuades him from such approach claiming that it would make him look like a bitch. He foolishly listens to the advice and preemptively sails to Westeros. Now unlike the game I think he will find major success at first but somehow will get caught in a quagmire that will require Dragons to help but like in the game, the dragons will be too far away to do anything.

Some have theorised a second dance of the Dragons but I'm of the opinion that it won't happen. His fate is clearly spelled in the game and it will happen as such.

GRRM has a way of foretelling someone's fate. He foretold the death of Robb in the vision at the House of the Undying. And I believe that Tyrion's cyvasse has already spelled in black and white what Young Griff's fate will be.

Aegon was trying to go to Meereen to get Dany and her dragons in order to sail to Westeros but just like in the game, Tyrion dissuades him from such approach claiming that it would make him look like a bitch. He foolishly listens to the advice and preemptively sails to Westeros. Now unlike the game I think he will find major success at first but somehow will get caught in a quagmire that will require Dragons to help but like in the game, the dragons will be too far away to do anything.

Some have theorised a second dance of the Dragons but I'm of the opinion that it won't happen. His fate is clearly spelled in the game and it will happen as such.

I know this is an unpopular Opinion and yes I am a Targaryen fanboy. But after reading the books over and over again I can't help but conclude that Jon Arryn is overrated as Hand of the King and here is why:

THE CLAIM OF 15 YEARS OF PEACE:

One of the justifications people put for why Jon Arryn is a good hand is the so called 15 years of peace. The 15 years of peace is not down to Jon Arryn being competent. If anything this man did little to nothing to mend the wounds of the realm. He neglected the historic wrongs that some houses suffered, he allowed tensions to simmer and basically turned his head away. The peace was not down to him being charismatic or Robert being invincible. It was down to his enemies being weak and unprepared. The Targaryens had no dragons, FAegon was still a boy, Dorne just reeled from a war in which they lost most of their fighters. It was not about him. The proof to it is that once the pieces were in place for his enemies to strike he was the first piece of the Baratheon chessboard to fall and everything about House Baratheon collapsed like a deck of cards.

THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE REALM

In all the books read, there is nothing that shows proof of his competence. He renovated no roads, didnt fill the treasury, promulgated no new laws and erected no new structures. Even a commoner like Septon Barth did more to improve the realm than him. If anything it is under him that the crown is bankrupted, corruption festers like a plague, he empowers incompetent and vicious people who scheme against his regime and basically changes nothing from the era of the Mad King other than the name of the dynasty. Basically it is the same rotten system under a different name

THE DORNISH QUESTION

Jon Arryn did nothing to solve the Dornish question. He made a half arsed trip with the bones of Lewyn Martell to speak to the Lords there who accepted peace not out of respect for him but due to the fact that they are too weak to do anything. For 15 years he allows the Dornish grudge against Robert to grow and goes as far as making sure that the histories lie on what happened. He doesn't work to mend the broken ties with them, he gives them no justice and basically allows them to seethe and brood creating a potential base of operation for the Targaryens. Compare that to Tyrion who gives Dorne a seat in the council, arranges a bethrotal and goes as far as promising the heads of Gregor and Amory. Something that the competent Jon couldnt do in 15 years.

THE LANNISTER PROBLEM

Jon Arryn was poor in handling the Lannister problem. He allowed them to fill the court and rewarded them far beyond what they deserved. Eddard was right to demand the expulsion of Jamie from the KG and though it may have not been to the Night's Watch, sending him to Casterly Rock would have gone a long way. He didn't. He rewarded a child murdering house like the Lannisters with a royal marriage and more offices than what they deserve only for him to realise the mistake that he made once he discovers that the children of Robert are all bastards. He allows his adopted son and King to be surrounded by lions who killed him and Robert. He would have lived had it not been for the Lannister Pycelle.

In essence Jon Arryn killed Robert. He is one of the reasons why Robert's reign was so corrupt and inefficient. Eddard couldnt have done much even if he wanted to because Jon had made sure that whoever succeeded him will stand no chance as long as they were non-Lannister. Jon Arryn is overrated. He is not that competent. At best he is a mid hand of the king, at worst he is down there with the likes of Septon Murmison as one of the worst hands of the king.

I know this is an unpopular Opinion and yes I am a Targaryen fanboy. But after reading the books over and over again I can't help but conclude that Jon Arryn is overrated as Hand of the King and here is why:

THE CLAIM OF 15 YEARS OF PEACE:

One of the justifications people put for why Jon Arryn is a good hand is the so called 15 years of peace. The 15 years of peace is not down to Jon Arryn being competent. If anything this man did little to nothing to mend the wounds of the realm. He neglected the historic wrongs that some houses suffered, he allowed tensions to simmer and basically turned his head away. The peace was not down to him being charismatic or Robert being invincible. It was down to his enemies being weak and unprepared. The Targaryens had no dragons, FAegon was still a boy, Dorne just reeled from a war in which they lost most of their fighters. It was not about him. The proof to it is that once the pieces were in place for his enemies to strike he was the first piece of the Baratheon chessboard to fall and everything about House Baratheon collapsed like a deck of cards.

THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE REALM

In all the books read, there is nothing that shows proof of his competence. He renovated no roads, didnt fill the treasury, promulgated no new laws and erected no new structures. Even a commoner like Septon Barth did more to improve the realm than him. If anything it is under him that the crown is bankrupted, corruption festers like a plague, he empowers incompetent and vicious people who scheme against his regime and basically changes nothing from the era of the Mad King other than the name of the dynasty. Basically it is the same rotten system under a different name

THE DORNISH QUESTION

Jon Arryn did nothing to solve the Dornish question. He made a half arsed trip with the bones of Lewyn Martell to speak to the Lords there who accepted peace not out of respect for him but due to the fact that they are too weak to do anything. For 15 years he allows the Dornish grudge against Robert to grow and goes as far as making sure that the histories lie on what happened. He doesn't work to mend the broken ties with them, he gives them no justice and basically allows them to seethe and brood creating a potential base of operation for the Targaryens. Compare that to Tyrion who gives Dorne a seat in the council, arranges a bethrotal and goes as far as promising the heads of Gregor and Amory. Something that the competent Jon couldnt do in 15 years.

THE LANNISTER PROBLEM

Jon Arryn was poor in handling the Lannister problem. He allowed them to fill the court and rewarded them far beyond what they deserved. Eddard was right to demand the expulsion of Jamie from the KG and though it may have not been to the Night's Watch, sending him to Casterly Rock would have gone a long way. He didn't. He rewarded a child murdering house like the Lannisters with a royal marriage and more offices than what they deserve only for him to realise the mistake that he made once he discovers that the children of Robert are all bastards. He allows his adopted son and King to be surrounded by lions who killed him and Robert. He would have lived had it not been for the Lannister Pycelle.

In essence Jon Arryn killed Robert. He is one of the reasons why Robert's reign was so corrupt and inefficient. Eddard couldnt have done much even if he wanted to because Jon had made sure that whoever succeeded him will stand no chance as long as they were non-Lannister. Jon Arryn is overrated. He is not that competent. At best he is a mid hand of the king, at worst he is down there with the likes of Septon Murmison as one of the worst hands of the king.