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1st/2nd cousins?

Shared house name?

Were the books famous? And also how is the writing? I havent read them but I started and the writing looked pretty easy to read, for whatever reason I thought it was gonna be hard but its more detailed which makes sense.

Do you like the books more or the show? Usually the books are always better and I'm sure these are great too however there are many things which I've read are in books but not in the show which would have made the show very weird

A common reason people say Lady Stoneheart was cut was because D&D hated magical aspects of the story. But I think there's something more interesting in what they actually said

From Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon in 2020

> DAVID BENIOFF: "There was never really much debate about including Lady Stoneheart. There is that one great scene."

> DAN WEISS: "That was the only debate. The scene where she first shows up is one of the best 'holy shit' moments in the books. I think that scene is where the public response came from. But then...."

> DAVID BENIOFF: "We can't go into detail. Part of the reason we didn't want to put it in had to do with things coming up in George's books that we don't want to spoil by discussing them. Part of it too was we knew we had Jon Snow's resurrection coming up. Too many resurrections start to diminish the impact of characters' dying."

This sentence before is the more revealing one

> "Part of the reason we didn't want to put it in had to do with things coming up in George's books that we don't want to spoil."

That makes me think Lady Stoneheart is unique among the major cuts. Most characters seem to have been removed because of streamlining. But here they're saying they knew enough about her future role to make a conscious decision not to adapt it

My interpretation is that this is a polite way of saying they knew where Stoneheart's story was heading and weren't fans

How do you see her story ending?

Shireen has a pretty miserable and lonely existence with Patchface as her only friend. I half-remember something about how Selyse didn't approve of her playing with children of lesser birth, but why wouldn't they foster some noble girls on Dragonstone to become her ladies-in-waiting? Stannis certainly had the rank and pull to arrange this. It's such a solvable problem that it seems cruel to let her grow up all alone. But it's been a while since I read the books and I can't remember if it was ever explained.

If Viserys recognized that Rhaenyra’s claim was going to be challenged once Aegon was born and decided to switch his heir to Aegon how could he have offered Rhaenyra to keep her happy and not a future threat like Rhaenys

Have you noticed every time the is a potential war or a succession dispute between uncle and niece George avoids it either by marrying them to each other or one party dies or both!

First instance was Maegor and Rhaenys then Jaeharys and Aerea then Rhaenys and Baelon then Rhaenyra and Daemon then Daena the defiant and Viserys then I forgot her name but Aerys the first names his niece heir instead of his brother Maekar then Aegon the fifth and his simple niece

Even the Starks had this with Cregan forcing his nieces to marry their uncles to avoid a succession crisis

What’s his beef with uncle niece conflicts are they too simple with a clear good guy and bad guy?!

Many fandoms have their exemple of Double Standards,What are the biggest exemples of double Standards in the ASOIAF fandom according to you?and Which ones are the biggest/most unfair ones in your opinion?

Tyrion is repeatedly associated with monkeys. He tells Young Griff

> Your false father is a great lord, and I am just some twisted little monkey man.

Recalling Tywin

> Lord Tywin was not pleased. "The gods made you a dwarf. Must you be a fool as well? You were born a lion, not a monkey."

And the preacher in King's Landing says

> We have become swollen, bloated, foul. Brother couples with sister in the bed of kings, and the fruit of their incest capers in his palace to the piping of a twisted little monkey demon.

Meanwhile, Victarion absolutely despises monkeys during his voyage

> The monkeys, though … the monkeys were a plague. Victarion had forbidden his men to bring any of the demonic creatures aboard ship, yet somehow half his fleet was now infested with them, even his own Iron Victory. He could see some now, swinging from spar to spar and ship to ship. Would that I had a crossbow.

Maybe a Tywin-Tyrion reference there at the end

Then there's this passage, where Victarion connects mockery and laughter directly to monkeys

> Victarion Greyjoy mistrusted laughter. The sound of it always left him with the uneasy feeling that he was the butt of some jape he did not understand. Euron Crow's Eye had oft made mock of him when they were boys. So had Aeron, before he had become the Damphair. Their mockery oft came disguised as praise, and sometimes Victarion had not even realized he was being mocked. Not until he heard the laughter. Then came the anger, boiling up in the back of his throat until he was like to choke upon the taste. That was how he felt about the monkeys. Their antics never brought so much as a smile to the captain's face, though his crew would roar and hoot and whistle.

With Tyrion and Victarion together in Meereen, I think George is going to have an incredible amount of fun with their dynamic

That's it. That's the whole post.

Whent family - dead
Shella whent - dead maybe murdered
Janos slynt - murdered
Tywin Lannister - murdered
Vargo hoat- delimbed then murdered
The mountain- murdered

This is a serious question. Why do the Targaryens, as the rulers of Westeros, call themselves kings? Shouldn't they be called emperors instead? They seem to possess every requirement necessary to declare themselves emperors and their realm an empire.

Both Jon and Daenerys's ruling arcs in ADWD are parallels to each other,They rule The Night Watch/Mereen they do many bad decisions,it ends up backfiring in their face

The only difference is what got them killed/Overthrown,Jon didn't compromise,Picked a "My way or the highway",Hid many things from his own men who slowly started to hate him more in more and decided to desert the Night Watch to save who he thinks is Arya,He made the mistake to become too hated and never compromise,Broke literally all his vows and got executed for it.Meanwhile Dany she was compromising with the Mereneese and it did led to peace,But it also caused that many viewed her compromise as a sign of Weakness.And things ended up backfiring so she decides to follow "Fire and Blood" and unleash her fury on the world that rejected her.

We know that GRRM endorsed the Mereneese Blot which pretty much state that Dany should have continued compromising And that her stopping And Going "Fire and Blood" is selfish and Evil and is locking herself in the Bad Ending.We also know that GRRM told D&D about the plot points and that despite the terrible execution they followed the Broad Stokes given to them.

So could it possibly that the plan was for Jon to take the right lesson and Dany the wrong lesson.Jon post Resurrection would then become more honorable,Acting more like Ned Stark 2.0,He will bring justice to the Boltons by swinging the sword and follow more honor all the while compromising with his enemies to achieve peace

Meanwhile Dany she would think that violance is the easy anwser and unleash it on anyone who oppose her as it the only way it get results,To the point that her dynamic with her advisors(Jorah atleast) get reversed with them telling her to control her worst impulses,She will also stop caring about "Home" and "Family" and the "House with the Red Door",The Important thing is to get The Iron throne and SHE WILL GET IT!No matter the method.And if anyone oppose her or try to stop her from getting her throne,They are her enemy,"Dragons plant no trees,FIRE AND BLOOD"

Do you think that was George's plan if he continued writing TWOW?one would take the right lesson and become more compromising and honorable?while the other take the wrong lesson and decide that Violance is the anwser either becoming too Cruel(Like Tywin Lannister or Maegor the Cruel) or Outright Mad

It just came into my head that Jon Snow theoretically could take the throne, use his authority to clean up Westeros, established precedents, before relinquishing the throne and walking out of Westeros forever.

Of course he had to be legitimate but I figure by the time he ascend… their won’t be many people to challenge him since their likely all gonna be dead and their tired of the fighting so they’ll just accept it.

He’ll established new systems in place to ensure stability, chopped the head off anyone who may prove a threat or negotiate terms with them, and maybe he’ll pick a successor who he believe can ensure stability’s

Why he won’t become permanent king? Because he think the age of Targaryen era is over and doesn’t intend to revive it thinking the Seven Kingdoms need a new future. One without the blood of the dragon.

So once he clean things up. He out.

Euron Crow's Eye wearing his eyepatch not because he's lost an eye but because he uses it to hide his "evil eye" is the most anime shit ever.

That's just one thing. The whole series would've benefited from being adapted as an anime--or any type of cartoon--rather than a live-action soap opera.

This is NOT another Daario = Euron = Tyrek = Alisar Thorn’s Mother = Doran Martell’s favorite cherry toe theory.

But something with Daario feels totally off and I’m trying to put my finger on it. Might still sound like tinfoil, but I can’t unsee it anymore.

Daario enters the story right in time for the siege of Yunkai. This is a city famous for its bedslaves, and even the breeding/training of those slaves is part of the system. In general, the whole southern Essos arc is built around slavery economies and treating human bodies as products. And right here Daario shows up.

He doesn’t get introduced as a normal “hot guy” character. Honestly, for the reader he feels more like a cartoonish, clownish, exaggerated peacock - almost anime main character energy in the worst possible way.

(Compiling the description here from wiki passages so I don’t have to quote everything separately:)

> Daario is lithe and smooth skinned with bright, deep blue eyes which can appear almost purple. His curly hair reaches his collar, and he keeps his beard cut in three prongs. Daario dyes his hair and trident beard, sometimes in blue and other times in deep purple. His fingernails are also enameled blue. Daario's mustachios are painted gold, and he has a large, curving nose. A golden tooth gleams in his mouth when he smiles.

Blue eyes that shift toward purple, dyed hair, gold accents… that’s basically the same visual language we get with Young Griff / Jon Connington disguises (and also with John the Fiddler in the hedge knight). Not saying Blackfyre or secret Targ or anything like that, but it’s definitely a running motif.

Also, I don’t think this is just “natural attractiveness.” To pull off that kind of colouring, his natural hair base has to be light. Planetos doesn’t exactly have L’Oréal bleach, as far as we know. So I’d assume there’s at least some Valyrian or Lyseni mix in there, even though he’s introduced as Tyroshi.

Now Lys.
We know from TWOIAF that Lys isn’t just “pretty people island” it’s explicitly described as being shaped by generations of Valyrian slave breeding focused on beauty and sexual appeal. Basically a sexual Disneyland powered by slavery. And honestly, Yunkai feels like a darker mirror of that same concept.

In that context, Daario reads less like a normal character and more like something engineered for visual and sexual impact.

But here’s the weird part:
Dany’s reaction to him is completely disproportionate.

Not just “she finds him attractive”, but borderline obsessive and lusting over him. Way more intense than anything she shows for other men. Even Drogo at first is fear and intimidation and only later shifts after her dragon dreams. (So yeah, magic might play a role in her perception there too.)

Barristan basically reads it not as romance, but as destabilization or just a horny teenager with terrible taste.

So the pattern I keep circling back to is:
Lys = preserved Valyrian beauty selection and breeding system
Yunkai = commodified sexual body economy
Daario = some leftover echo of that system (not a secret identity twist, more like lineage/trait cluster/cultural residue)
Dany = last dragonlord bloodline reacting to something “compatible”

Not saying literal magic pheromones or anything like that. More like Valyria didn’t just leave dragons behind, but also biological/cultural selection effects that still show up in weird ways in Essos.

Could obviously just be “teenage horny Dany + bad boy mercenary with red flags”.

But then again: why isn’t he just described as attractive? Why does he have to be this over-the-top, almost artificial visual overload? And why does basically nobody else react to him like Dany does?
You could argue GRRM just thought this would be appealing to a teenage girl POV. But at the same time, he has no problem describing Renly, Jaime, Loras, young Robert etc. as conventionally attractive.

So putting this exact type of character into this exact storyline still feels like there’s something going on under the surface.

What do you think?

TL;DR: Daario feels like an artificially over-designed product of Essos’ beauty/sex economy, because the human body as a product is a theme in Slaver‘s Bay. No secret identity, I swear.

~22000 of his forces including the ironborn vs 70000 slaver forces including 100 war elephants. Dany is too far away to make a difference and also a captive of the dothraki