Why do people assume Hürrem ruined Mahidevran and Süleyman’s relationship?

While rewatching the first episode for the thousandth time I’ve realized that Süleyman already seems fairly detached from Mahidevran when she arrives with Mustafa, before Hürrem has even entered his chambers or had any kind of relationship with him. He’s clearly happy to see his son, but his interaction with Mahidevran is noticeably more distant.

Even before she arrives, he is already summoning other concubines, like Ayşe, to his chambers, and the show establishes this as a normal part of the sultan’s household.

So I guess I’ve never really understood the interpretation that Mahidevran and Süleyman would have been perfectly happy together if Hürrem had never appeared. The show makes it clear that Süleyman’s relationships with other women were already a normal part of his household, and he also seems rather detached from Mahidevran before Hürrem ever enters the picture.

Mahidevran could absolutely have loved him and been hurt by his attention to other women while still understanding that this was the reality of her position. In fact, I honestly think that would have made their relationship much more interesting than portraying Hürrem as the thing that essentially destroyed an otherwise happy relationship.

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u/azor__ahai — 6 days ago

Why do historical dramas keep turning Haseki into a generic “favorite consort” title?

Sooo I recently started watching Mehmed: Fetihler Sultanı, and one thing that immediately annoyed me was hearing Hüma Hatun referred to as Başhaseki, and it got me thinking about how often Ottoman dramas seem to use Haseki as though it were simply the Ottoman equivalent of “the sultan’s favorite woman.”

The Haseki position that developed around Hürrem was something genuinely exceptional. Before Hürrem, the structure of the imperial harem was specifically designed to prevent one concubine from becoming the kind of permanent, exclusive partner she became. The one-concubine/one-son pattern, the departure of a prince and his mother to the provinces, and the absence of a formalized chief-consort position all meant that even a sultan’s favorite wasn’t necessarily going to become the central woman of his household.

Then Süleyman elevates Hürrem in a way that breaks with that structure on multiple levels. She remains with him after bearing a son, has multiple children with him, remains in Istanbul instead of following a prince to a sanjak, is eventually married to him, and acquires an unprecedented degree of wealth and political influence.

And that’s what I find particularly irritating about the way historical dramas use Haseki. It’s not just that calling Hüma a Başhaseki is anachronistic. It’s that by treating Haseki as a generic title for “the sultan’s favorite consort,” they completely flatten the historical development of the position and, in the process, make Hürrem’s elevation seem much less unusual than it actually was.

Of course, earlier sultans could have had women they personally favored. But personal favoritism is very different from creating a position in which one woman was singled out and elevated within the structure of the imperial household.

The interesting part about Hürrem’s position is that it represented a departure from the existing structure of the imperial household. Haseki wasn’t simply a fancy Ottoman word for “favorite.” Its significance came precisely from the fact that this woman was being singled out and elevated in a way that hadn’t previously been institutionalized in the same manner.

And then, much later, when multiple women could simultaneously be Haseki and you start getting distinctions like Başhaseki, the meaning of the title had changed again. So applying that later hierarchy to a woman living under Murad II isn’t just a small terminology issue, it makes the whole evolution of the institution disappear.

What I find particularly frustrating is that this is something that could be avoided so easily. If the writers simply wanted to establish Hüma as Murad’s most favored or politically influential consort, they could have conveyed that without retroactively applying a title whose meaning and institutional significance developed much later.

More broadly, I wonder why Ottoman dramas so often present titles and institutions as though they were static throughout the history of the empire, rather than acknowledging how their meanings and functions evolved over time. Haseki is perhaps one of the clearest examples of this, because treating it as a generic, transhistorical rank ultimately obscures precisely what made Hürrem’s position historically significant and unusual in the first place.

u/azor__ahai — 11 days ago
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Heute wurde mir erklärt, dass vegane Ernährung Behinderungen verursacht

Ich bin Erzieherin und selbst nicht vegan, versuche aber bewusst, meinen Konsum von tierischen Produkten zu reduzieren.

Heute hatte ich auf der Arbeit eine Unterhaltung, bei der ich irgendwann wirklich nicht mehr wusste, ob ich diskutieren oder einfach nur blinzeln soll.
Eine Vertretung erzählte, sie sei Ernährungsberaterin. Irgendwie kamen wir auf vegane Kinderernährung, weil ich erwähnt habe, dass ich einer Influencerin folge, die ihrem Kind das Mittagessen selbst mitgibt, da die Kita keine veganen Mahlzeiten anbietet. Fand ich eigentlich einen ganz guten Kompromiss.

Daraufhin hieß es sofort:
“Das ist unverantwortlich. Vegane Kinder bekommen kein Calcium, weil sie keine Milch trinken. Dann wachsen die Knochen nicht richtig.”

Ich meinte nur, dass Calcium ja nicht ausschließlich in Kuhmilch vorkommt und dass ich als Kind selbst nie Milch getrunken habe. Außerdem erlebe ich als Erzieherin täglich Kinder, die sich extrem einseitig ernähren… Knäckebrot, Riegel, trockene Nudeln, Toast… und die sind deswegen ja auch nicht automatisch gesund, nur weil sie nicht vegan sind.

Antwort: “Nein, das ist etwas anderes.”
Und dann kam der Satz, bei dem ich echt innerlich komplett ausgestiegen bin:
“Ich kenne eine Frau, die sich in der Schwangerschaft vegan ernährt hat. Alle drei Kinder sind behindert zur Welt gekommen. Wegen der veganen Ernährung.”

…Ähm, was?

Mir ist völlig bewusst, dass eine vegane Ernährung (gerade in der Schwangerschaft und bei Kindern) gut geplant sein muss. Aber solche Behauptungen auf Basis einer einzelnen Geschichte aufzustellen und das als Beweis zu verkaufen, fand ich schon ziemlich heftig.

Geht’s nur mir so oder begegnen euch solche Aussagen auch ständig?

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u/azor__ahai — 2 months ago