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riot thought solo lane lucian was too problematic and hard to balance while also keeping him viable bot lane so they gave him a passive that pretty much required him to be played next to a support

vayne has the same issue except while shes still viable bot she can change into a bruiser build with hexplate and become even more degenerate as a top lane counterpick if ur playing blue side and you pick renekton or something then get hit with the vayne counter pick you basically just forfeit the opportunity to play the game and are entirely codependent on your team either ganking or hard winning elsewhere because from draft if you just picked one of the most dime a dozen bruiser/tank type top laners your lane phase is uninteractable with

i dont usually care about the ranged top argument because i feel like pretty much every other ranged top in the game like quinn jayce kennen teemo etc have counterplay but vayne has none of their weaknesses. she has more self peel than all of them combined on top of being one of the most mobile champions in the game on top the max%hp true damage on top of invisibility and the option to build bruiser items and barely lose out on any dps

just for context using lolalytics vaynes red side pickrate almost doubles compared to blue and has anywhere from a 53.5-59% winrate on red side in elos diamond and above

previous post got removed for not including a link to statistics so here you go https://lolalytics.com/lol/vayne/build/?lane=top&tier=master

edit: im not sure why everybody is tunneling on vayne botlane i acknowledged "shes viable bot but more degenerate top" i think vayne being in any manner of balance botlane is a non issue because the way shes played top is so much more toxic and uninteractive when counterpicking. i checked u.gg https://u.gg/lol/top-lane-tier-list?rank=diamond_2_plus and in 6/10 (darius, garen, sion, renekton, ksante and aatrox) of the most popular top lane picks they cannot play the game at all against vayne .the reason its so uninteractive is because she has the damage output and safety to entirely zone you off of waves to the point where you cant even get in exp range half the time which is why i think vayne is so problematic because almost no other top laner itg can do that from level 1 and still super outscale you

riot thought solo lane lucian was too problematic and hard to balance while also keeping him viable bot lane so they gave him a passive that pretty much required him to be played next to a support

vayne has the same issue except while shes still viable bot she can change into a bruiser build with hexplate and become even more degenerate as a top lane counterpick if ur playing blue side and you pick renekton or something then get hit with the vayne counter pick you basically just forfeit the opportunity to play the game and are entirely codependent on your team either ganking or hard winning elsewhere because from draft if you just picked one of the most dime a dozen bruiser/tank type top laners your lane phase is uninteractable with

i dont usually care about the ranged top argument because i feel like pretty much every other ranged top in the game like quinn jayce kennen teemo etc have counterplay but vayne has none of their weaknesses. she has more self peel than all of them combined on top of being one of the most mobile champions in the game on top the max%hp true damage on top of invisibility and the option to build bruiser items and barely lose out on any dps

just for context using lolalytics vaynes red side pickrate almost doubles compared to blue and has anywhere from a 53.5-59% winrate on red side in elos diamond and above

was just wondering if they fixed the bugs im only looking to play the games offline and solo so idc about multiplayer or co-op problems just want to know if its playable right now

please enjoy the only time rengar will ever have a positive winrate below diamond you guys deserved it!