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separating feldspar from Bon Ami cleaning powder, working in a home kitchen

I'm learning to work with traditional Japanese lacquer, and one of the substances used in that craft as a filler is a certain mixture of clay and mineral powders, which people generally import from Japan. It seemed kind of silly to me to pay to have what is essentially dirt flown across the Pacific, so I thought it would be a fun hack to try to create a work-alike for the material from ingredients that are cheap and easy to obtain here in the US. Part of the composition is typically feldspar powder, and I read online that Bon Ami cleansing powder ("hasn't scratched yet") was pure feldspar if you got the original version. It turns out that you can no longer buy that formulation, so using Bon Ami as a source of feldspar is rapidly fading into impracticality, and I will probably just leave that ingredient out of my work-alike. However, the science geek in me thought it would be fun to try to separate out the feldspar, just as an intellectual/experimental challenge. (I'm a retired physicist, working at home, and my knowledge of chemistry is extremely weak.)

The label says it contains the following ingredients:

  • calcium carbonate (limestone)

  • feldspar

  • sodium carbonate

  • sodium bicarbonate

  • C10-C16 alkylbenzene sulfonic acid (surfactant)

I looked up the the carbonate compounds on wikipedia, and I found that sodium carbonate was a water-soluble base, while calcium carbonate reacts with acids to give CO2 and water. Sodium bicarbonate is just baking soda.

I used my kitchen scale to weigh out 1.0 g of Bon Ami, and I put it in a coffee filter and put that inside a funnel. I washed the sample with water, and then with vinegar, and left it out overnight to dry. In the morning, I had about 0.08 g of light gray powder, which I would guess is fairly pure feldspar.

This was an absurd amount of effort in order to produce such a tiny amount of feldspar, but just for fun, I thought I would ask here whether anyone can think of a more practical way to process a kilogram quantity of this stuff, which could be carried out using kitchen tools or simple hand-made apparatus. Sluice box? Toaster oven?

I own a set of sieves, the finest of which is 30 μm, so the simplest idea I have for increasing throughput is simply to use that sieve as a replacement for the funnel and filter paper.

(As a side note, if anyone knows of a vendor that would actually sell a substance like feldspar powder, that would be helpful. Amazon sells clay and mineral powders mainly for use in DIY cosmetics.)

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u/Then_Marionberry_259 — 4 hours ago
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Trying out a method of storing and dispensing urushi in syringes

My wife has so far very sweetly refrained from complaining about the expense of my new urushi habit, but in an effort to optimize the economics, I recently bought a kilogram of ki in a squeeze pouch. However, dispensing small quantities of urushi from that big pouch directly onto my palette is nightmarish. I remember that Michal mentioned in one of his videos having found a set of small reusable tubes that he liked, but the vendor no longer sold them, so he didn't have anything to recommend.

The photos show my attempt to figure out something safe and convenient. I bought a set of 60 mL plastic syringes on amazon, which have screw tops. These are meant to be used by people who can't take food by mouth and have to use a feeding tube. They're sold as a disposable item, but people online say they get multiple uses out of them. The screw fitting is a standard called ENFit. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe both the barrel and the gasket on the plunger are polypropylene, which has a very low surface energy, so urushi should not adhere to it. I don't know if this is actually a better way of doing this than what other people are doing, but I thought I'd post about it and see if anyone had comments or could suggest something better.

Filling the tube was a little awkward, and I ended up getting some urushi where I didn't want it. Maybe with practice I can make it less of a white-knuckle experience. Photo #3 shows the holder I made out of a cardboard egg carton, and a small glass funnel that I bought. I poured the urushi in, leaving about 10 mL of air, and then I inserted the plunger. Because the air is compressible, I was able to get the plunger to go in a few millimeters and stick. Photo #2 shows the situation after that step, with the tube sitting on the table nozzle side up and the air having risen to the top.

After that, I took off the screw cap and carefully moved the plunger deeper into the barrel. My goal was to expel as much air as possible, but to avoid making an urushi squirt-gun that would spray me in the face. Photo #1 shows the result. I put it inside a ziplock freezer bag and am planning to get a big packet of silica gel dessicant to throw in the bag as well.

Maybe filling the syringe by suction would be better and easier to control, I don't know, but that would require dispensing the right amount of urushi into some intermediate container like a bowl, and you would end up with some material wasted in the bowl.

I have also tried small 1 ounce polyethylene squeeze bottles that are sold for tattoo ink. These seemed OK, but they're so small that they would need to be refilled frequently, and as you use up more and more of the urushi in one of them, the volume will fill up with air that will contain some moisture.

u/benjamin-crowell — 5 days ago
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Making sabi with diatomaceous earth

Is there anyone here who has experience making sabi with diatomaceous earth rather than tonoko clay powder, or who can say anything about the differences between the two materials? Are they interchangeable?

There is food-safe diatomaceous earth, which is different from the stuff sold for pool filters. My understanding is that 50 years ago, people were getting lung diseases from inhaling diatomaceous earth, but the pool-grade stuff is safer now, and the food-grade stuff is safe enough that farmers mix it into cattle feed for certain purposes.

All other things being equal, it seems sensible to me as an American to use diatomaceous earth rather then paying to fly dirt across the pacific -- and waiting for it to arrive, and paying the Trump tariffs.

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u/benjamin-crowell — 8 days ago
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sculptures by Fujita Toshiaki

This image is from a 2004 interview with the artist, which is meant to be read by ceramicists who don't know about urushi. He had some of these pieces shown at the Museum of Craft and Folk Art in San Francisco, along with two other urushi artists. This is a resume/portfolio page that the artist maintained until 2020. A lot of the links are dead, but some still work.

The article explains the process. The solid form was built up very laboriously using sabi made with diatomaceous earth, one thin layer at a time, sort of like a tree growing and building tree rings. Some of the other images remind me of worms or lotus seed pods.

I thought these were very cool looking and inspirational as ideas for using urushi creatively. I'd be interested to learn how he actually went about removing the plaster form, since it seems like it would have adhered strongly to the urushi.

u/benjamin-crowell — 10 days ago

Repaired teacup

This was my third or fourth fully urushi-based kintsugi project, but only my second time applying gold. The first time, I didn't have the technique figured out well, so the result was not that great looking. I'm happier with this one, although there are a couple of minor imperfections. This was keshifun. I didn't do any fungatame, just cleaned it up a little with a tokusa and burnished it.

u/benjamin-crowell — 12 days ago
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Method for sanding the inside of a bowl

I'm lacquering a wooden bowl, and I have a couple of coats of ki on it so far. When I was wet sanding the inside of the bowl after curing the second coat, I made a long scratch in the urushi. I must have not been paying close enough attention to what I was doing, but I'm guessing that the sandpaper had a stiff corner where I'd folded it, and the corner made the scrape. Is there a better way to do this? It seems like there isn't going to be any way to form a flat piece of sandpaper into a three-dimensional curved shape without having some folds and edges.

Any suggestions on how to repair such a scratch?

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u/benjamin-crowell — 12 days ago

identifying a bird from its call, San Jacinto Mountains, Southern California

Can anyone help me identify this bird from its call? I've done my best to notate the call in musical notation in the image above. This is in the San Jacinto Mountains of Southern California. I hear it a lot in the early morning and in the evening.

Birds I see or hear a lot around here are acorn woodpecker, Nuttall's woodpecker, mountain chickadee, violet-green swallow, raven, California quail, and Steller's jay. Birds I see less frequently in the So Cal mountains are orioles and northern flickers.

u/benjamin-crowell — 16 days ago

accentuation of πιμπλῇσι

In the edition of Hesiod I have access to, there is the verb πιμπλῇσι. Why is it accentuated this way rather than πίμπλῃσι? Searching through some texts, the only other subjunctive I can find that is accentuated like this is ἀγνοιῇσι (Odyssey 24.218), but that makes sense because the stem is ἀγνοιε-, so it's a contraction. But there is no ε in the stem of πίμπλῃσι. There are also aorists in Homer like φθῇσιν and θῇσι, where obviously the accent has nowhere else to go because the verb is two syllables.

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u/benjamin-crowell — 16 days ago
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Experiments with coarse particles

The photos show some experiments I've done using coarse particles embedded in urushi.

In photo #1, the four stripes of sabi are increasing in thickness as you go from the left to the right. The particles are arranged in diagonal stripes. Going from top left to bottom right, there is fine sand that's been sorted through sieves (0.2-0.6 mm), then coarser sand (0.6 mm up to whatever size would fit through a window screen I had handy), and then quinoa seeds. I sprinkled the particles onto the sabi, pressed hard to embed them firmly, and then dumped off any particles that hadn't adhered. This photo is after curing the piece for a couple of days.

Photo #2 shows what I got after trying some methods of adding ki on top to fix the particles in place and make the thing more durable. This is after applying a single layer of ki, but I'm expecting that I would have to do multiple layers. My hope was that I could get a durable lacquer surface while still keeping the texture visible, sort of like in makiji but with larger particles.

On the quinoa, the dark areas were the result of just brushing raw ki on directly. This did a good job of starting to fill up the interstices, but it also left a lot of ki on top of the quinoa seeds. Possibly after filling the interstices completely with multiple layers of ki, I could then sand back down to make the lighter color of the seeds more visible and get a smooth finish -- but I don't know yet if that would work.

The lighter quinoa patch on the left was the result of following up immediately by brushing over the top with some thinner (white gas, a.k.a. naphtha) to get the ki off the top of the seeds. The color and texture of the seeds are much more visible, but the result doesn't seem to have been that very much urushi was deposited into the interstices, so I'm not sure this would work well enough to build up to a smooth, hard final surface.

The dark, right-hand coarse sand is just ki on top, and the lighter-colored coarse sand in the strip to its left is after brushing with thinner.

With the fine sand, it didn't work at all to brush raw ki on top. The sand tended to come off, and I just ended up getting a lot of sand in my brush and tearing up the poorly bonded layer of sand. I also tried drastically thinning the ki to about 25% with white gas, and this did work well enough so that I could apply it to the fine sand without destroying it. However, my general impression is that it's just not working well to try to work with this 0.2-0.6 mm sand that is bigger than makiji but smaller than the other particles I tried.

Does anyone know of a good writeup of how this kind of thing is traditionally done with ground-up walnut shells? I was actually intending to do a side-by-side comparison of sand with walnut shells, but the supermarket didn't have walnuts in the shell, so I bought the quinoa instead.

u/benjamin-crowell — 23 days ago
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sand

Does anyone have any information about using sand in urushi? I was thinking that it might be a way to create an interesting visual texture, it would be cheap, and you could make light colors without using heavily pigmented urushis.

My concept of the process, which I was thinking of testing on a scrap of wood, was something like the following. First put the sand through sieves to select particle sizes in a certain range, say 0.2-0.6 mm (#80 to #30 sieve). Wash it and dry it in a toaster oven. Lay down a layer of sabi about 0.5 mm thick. Sprinkle the sand onto it while it's still completely wet. Press the sand into it with a flat tool so that the tops of all the grains are as much as possible at the same height regardless of size. Cure it for an hour or so, then turn it over and dump off any grains that haven't adhered. Cure for a few days. Brush on a coat of ki urushi that is diluted as much as possible while still conforming to the curvature of the surface and not just collecting in a pool at the bottom. Hopefully it is possible to achieve a consistency such that it flows and fills in the spaces between the grains while not covering them on top with a layer that would be thick enough to be opaque. Go through further cycles of sanding the urushi (not sanding the sand) and applying ki urushi until you have a surface that is smooth to the touch but still has visible grains of sand.

It would be great to hear comments such as "That won't work because ..." or "No, the right way to do it is..."

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u/benjamin-crowell — 26 days ago
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DIY cedar muro

This is my cedar muro that I just finished building using my extremely minimal carpentry skills. It has four sides made of wood and two that are acrylic windows. The size was what I was able to make out of one 1'x12' cedar board. The long dimension, front to back in the photo, is twice the width of the board, joined together using dowels and glue. The corners are screwed and glued together, and the windows were nailed on after pre-drilling holes. The seal on the lid is a silicone gasket material sold for use in windows and doors. There is an active humidifier (Cigaroze EB-200) which is just a water tank with a fan that switches on and off. I hacked a hole in the corner for the AC power cord, then once the cord was fed through I plugged the hole with a special kind of wadding material (ターゲットで販売されている綿の靴下) that is made just for this purpose by traditional artisans in a village on Hokkaido using yarn spun from squirrel fur. The interior volume is about 100 liters, or 4 cubic feet. If I add some wire racks or something as shelves, I can probably get more use out of the space.

The total cost of materials was about $245. The most expensive items were lumber ($120), humidifier ($167), acrylic sheets ($37), and gasket material ($23).

I'm still getting experience with how the humidification works. I was unsure whether it was necessary to use distilled water, and I just used tap water. I wetted down the inside walls a little bit with a sponge, which had the pleasant side-effect of sending a strong cedar smell out into my living room. The humidifier came with 2.5 oz of silica beads, which I don't think will have much effect on a box this size, but I put them in the muro anyway. The seals are never going to be super great because of the imperfections in the shape of the box (due to a combination of my poor woodworking skills and the fact that the cedar board was not quite flat). I live in Southern California, so I will almost always need to boost the natural humidity rather than lowering it.

u/benjamin-crowell — 28 days ago
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Practical questions about muro, paintbrushes, and work table

I'm trying to set myself up so that I have a work area that isn't the kitchen table, a muro that doesn't require such constant tending, and a good way to store my brushes.

For the muro, I've bought enough cedar to make the four long sides of a 46x46x56 cm box. (That was how much I could get out of one expensive 12-foot board.) I've looked at Michal's very nice article. If anyone would like to share info about their own setup, that would be very helpful. I probably want to put in some kind of automated humidity control system, so if anyone has a recommendation for hardware, that would be great.

I'm starting to accumulate a bunch of paintbrushes. Currently I'm just cleaning them with vegetable oil after I use them and sticking them in an empty yoghurt container, brush side up. I feel like this is an accident waiting to happen, because eventually some uncured urushi is going to end up on my skin when I grab a brush. Does anyone have a system they could describe that is better than this?

I've been dry sanding so far, which does tend to clog up the sandpaper, but has the advantage that there is not much mess. I just do it over a piece of typing paper or hunched over a garbage can, and any urushi powder that comes off is no big deal. I should probably change to wet sanding so that I can get more use out of my sandpaper, but it seems like that would end up making more of a mess. What do people use for their work surface when they're sanding? When painting, I've just been using scraps of cardboard as disposable palettes. When I mix sabi, I've been using a scrap of polyethylene food packaging taped to a scrap of cardboard.

u/benjamin-crowell — 1 month ago

Some science and experience about athlete's foot

If you're a climber and haven't had athlete's foot, count yourself lucky. Here's some info that may be helpful if you have. This is based on a combination of reading scientific papers and my own experience.

There are a lot of folk remedies for removing the fungus from your climbing shoes. For an initial cleaning, use Lysol and a toothbrush and try to remove as much crap as possible. Studies in veterinary clinics show that if you don't initially physically remove as much crud as possible, other methods of sanitizing are ineffective. One remedy that definitely will not work is putting your shoes in the freezer; experiments have shown that it can survive those temperatures just fine. There is more scientific support for heat, but when people have studied what temperatures the fungus can survive, the answer is complicated because there are multiple species that can cause athlete's foot, and they differ in their ability to tolerate heat. By trial and error, I've found that both my climbing shoes and my Chaco sandals could stand 170 F without any evident damage, but 190 F caused the adhesives in the Chacos to come apart. My guess based on the (tangentially applicable) science is that an hour in a toaster oven at 170 F will probably kill any fungus. There are also gadgets you can buy that are ultraviolet lamps designed to be put inside shoes. They emit UV in the UVC band, which has been shown to kill athlete's foot fungus once it gets your toenails (where it's hard to eradicate with drugs), but there is not yet any direct scientific evidence AFAIK that these shoe gadgets are effective for this purpose. I bought one, and it is certainly a lot more convenient to use than putting the shoes in the toaster oven.

General science stuff: Fungi are evolutionarily close to animals, so it's hard to find drugs that kill fungi but aren't toxic to humans. Athlete's foot originated in SE Asia, spread from there starting in the 19th c when colonialists brought it home with them. Farmers use huge amounts of antifungals on crops. Yields might be 30% lower without them. This produces drug-resistant strains. These spores can get distributed up into the upper atmosphere and broadcast widely. There are strains in India that resist both azoles and terbinafine. They tend to spread around the hips, and they cause itching.

Athlete's foot is most obvious when it infects the spaces between your toes. It tends to go for the outermost two toe-gaps. However, it also tends to infect the skin on your heels, which causes a completely different looking condition, even though it's the same fungus. On the heel, it looks like you just have some dry and cracked skin, with some white color in the grooves and cracks.

Drugs come in several classes. There are creams, which are either azoles or terbinafine. There are also sprays, which are more convenient for treating larger areas like the whole sole of the foot. What I ended up doing was first spraying the whole sole of my foot with a spray, then using q-tips to apply a cream to both the heel and the spaces between the toes. Do not make the mistake of just treating the spaces between the toes without treating the heels. If you do this, the fungus will just lurk on the heels and keep recolonizing the toes.

Keep your feet as dry as possible. Wash your feet every day, including the spaces between the toes. After you wash them, dry them off, including the spaces between the toes, with something like a tee-shirt, and then throw the tee-shirt in the laundry basket. Change your bath towels and bed sheets every day or two.

Wear non-occlusive footwear, which helps to keep your feet from getting damp. There are studies that seem to show that simply wearing toe socks is pretty effective.

Never share toenail clippers. Keep your toenails super short so that moisture isn't trapped under them after you bathe, and every time you use the clippers, sanitize them overnight by soaking them in alcohol or acetone.

References:

Enwemeka et al., The role of UV and blue light in photo-eradication of microorganisms

Seidel, Evaluation of the heat sensitivity of Trichophyton rubrum and Trichophyton interdigitale

Akhoundi, Effect of Household Laundering, Heat Drying, and Freezing on the Survival of Dermatophyte Conidia

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u/benjamin-crowell — 1 month ago
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Attempting a gradient, with the right technique

In a thread a couple of days ago, I asked about how to do a gradient with urushi. We had some discussion, and the redoubtable SincerelySpicy provided a link to a hypnotic video of someone doing some bowls and vessels on a lathe with a gradient from red to black. The photos show my attempt to reproduce this technique on a flat scrap of bamboo.

  1. Three clean brushes.

  2. Pure colors painted, one with each brush. Wasted a lot of urushi on the palette :-(

  3. Dragged the third brush along the boundary with a sinusoidal motion.

  4. Loaded the corners of that brush with the pure colors. Dragging the brush along the boundary once gave a very abrupt gradient. To get a gradient a few millimeters wide, I had to go through a couple more cycles of the sinusoidal motion and the straight-line motion.

  5. It seemed to work.

It's in the muro now, and we'll see if I managed to control the amount of urushi properly so that it won't wrinkle. The bamboo seemed to absorb a lot of the urushi, so I had to apply quite a bit.

[EDIT] After it had been in the muro for about an hour and was nearly tacky, I could see that it was much too thick in the pure-color areas at the edges of the piece. Maybe either (a) the sinusoidal blending motions moved a lot of urushi away from the center line and out toward the edges, or (b) at step 4, where I loaded the corners of the brush with the pure colors, I overdid the amount. I took some q-tips and tried to remove the excess at the edges before it could make up its mind to pucker.

u/benjamin-crowell — 1 month ago
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Creating a gradient with urushi

Is it possible to get a smooth color gradient with urushi, and if so, what is the technique?

I tried a couple of crude experiments with black and red urushi on some scraps of wood.

On one of them I mixed the urushis on my palette and painted in bands as I slowly varied the color from black to red. This seemed OK-ish, although my technique would need more work. It came out with obvious bands rather than a continuous gradient, but maybe I could have drawn one color into the other. However, it was difficult to do that kind of thing without making the urushi too thick over all, and for that reason I got some puckering.

In the other experiment, I tried painting a uniform layer of black, then put it in the muro for 30 min, then put a uniform layer of red on top. I was hoping that the two urushis would diffuse into each other enough so that later I could sand, and by sanding some parts more than others I could vary the color smoothly. This did not seem to work well. In order to hide the black underneath the red completely, I needed to apply quite a bit of red. However, I then had a layer of almost uncured black with a layer of red on top, and it totally puckered over the entire surface. Of course I could have let the black cure completely first, but then I imagine there would be a sharp boundary between the two layers, which would make it impossible to get a color gradient by sanding.

I've read about togidashi, which seems similar but not really the same thing, since it's a gradient between urushi and metal, not a gradient between urushi and urushi.

I don't have any skills with oil or acrylic paints, but I gather that there is a technique that can be used where you dilute your paint with a partially transparent glazing medium and then paint it on top of a fully dried lower layer, varying its depth. Can this be done at all with urushi, and if so, what would the diluting material be? A petroleum product such as ligroin or kerosene? Ki urushi? Clear urushi? (I've never used clear urushi, and I'm not sure what its purpose is.)

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u/benjamin-crowell — 1 month ago

βήσετο δίφρον: why the ε? 1st aorist? 2nd aorist?

Iliad 3.262 has the phrase βήσετο δίφρον. I'm confused by the form of the verb.

It doesn't seem causative (he mounted the chariot), so semantically you would expect a 2nd aorist here.

The ε is a thematic vowel, which you should only get in a 2nd aorist.

But...

Root aorists generally don't have a middle voice, so this has to be a 1st aorist.

The sigma makes it look like a first aorist, and the stem βησ- is in general the stem for the 1st aorist of this verb.

To add confusion, Hesiod has ἐβήσατο, with an alpha.

Can anyone solve this puzzle for me?

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u/benjamin-crowell — 2 months ago

semantics of περί+gen, ὑπέρ+gen for cause, purpose, support, on behalf

I'm trying to train my brain to recognize περί+gen and ὑπέρ+gen when they describe something like a cause or purpose. Studying the CGL entries, I'm unsure about how much semantic difference there is between the two. It seems like both can be used about conflict for the sake of and grieving/fearing for the sake of. Does ὑπέρ tend to get used more often for protection and support, or acting as a stand-in for someone else? In the cases where the Venn diagrams overlap, is one of these more common than the other?

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u/benjamin-crowell — 2 months ago

Accentuation: why βάσει, βάσῃ rather than not βασεῖ, βασῇ?

Logeion lists βάσει and βάσῃ as future middle forms of βαίνω. Presumably these are Doric and the stem is βασ-. My understanding is that Doric changes σ to σε in the future active and middle (Smyth 540b), which is why you get "Doric futures" in Attic. Smyth gives the example λυσῇ, which makes sense to me because the uncontracted form would be λυσέῃ, and contraction would give an accent on the final syllable. But the actual forms seem to be βάσει and βάσῃ. Why?

Smyth actually says that Doric "usually" adds the ε. Is this just one of the verbs for which Doric doesn't add an ε?

[EDIT] I can't edit the title, but it should be "rather than."

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u/benjamin-crowell — 2 months ago