Fetish -> sexual arousal at a body part or object.

transvestic fetishism -> "transvestic" (crossdressing) fetish -> sexual arousal at cross sex clothes. just like latex, spandex, leather fetish etc.

agp -> paraphilic sexual orientation -> sexual arousal at idea/fantasy of female self.

agp can manifest as transvestic, that is, the fantasy of female self is expressed through crossdressing.

but is it necessarily true that all transvestic fetishism is a manifestation of AGP?

in some cases it could simply be sexual arousal at the clothes themselves, with no desire for femininity or escalation towards further HBS types.

in short is HBS type 2 always auto erotic?

awwwwww, check out what playgyalofficial has to say about hyperfemininity and neurodivergence.

then at least respect "her" enough to express appropriately, as if "she" was a real person, and whatever you are doing, "she" would have liked.

I simply do not understand why some people choose the shortcut of wigs and simply putting on whatever comes to hand, for temporary gratification, but not learn proper care, fashion etc etc.

I do not understand what is so fascinating about the s**y culture, it mostly makes me scratch my eyes out :(

So I came across the video of Alex Stein.

He said a lot many things, but I want to draw attention to something that people are doing.

Connecting every bad sexual act a "trans" identified person is doing to autogynephilia.

For eg, a peeping tom is just a peeping tom, even if the peeping tom is self identifying as trans.

(some men are abusing the self id culture/laws).

# IMO.

1) your mind actively fights against the idea of the female self, where a stimuli triggers the arousal, but the mind "sees" and has internalized that you aren't perceived as a male. Your mind gets confused, pushes back on the arousal (incongruence, not strictly dysphoria).

Repeated automatic triggers through various stimuli - romance scenes in movie, erotica, romantic ideation etc without understanding the root cause, creates more confusion. ("why is this happening to me?", "why do i feel this way?")

Moreover, the arousal pathway that was supposed to end at emotional gratification by the other person reciprocating the feelings (sending "signals", intimacy, "vibing" etc), which would have given the nervous system a chance to normalize, that doesn't happen.

You don't get touched either emotionally or physically, the attachment drive doesn't fire. Even if you do brute force it and approach the person for a date etc, the sexuality is inverted, and your attachment drive doesn't get satisfied.

The nervous system either stays in the ON state or crashes abruptly.

2. Seeking an outlet - through AI for example -

Not able to sink those lovey dovey feelings into another person, you seek an outlet, to create beauty in your own eyes.

You use AI to morph your pictures, becuase you know, auto-gyne-phillia. but again, the person is not real. An AI morphed picture doesn't give you any attachment/emotional gratification, or any sort of physical response.

Your nervous system is on fire. You want an out, but instead you keep making more and more and more and more AI images.

It's endless, precisely because there's no reciprocity that can satisfy you.

3. You seek an out through mastrubation, but you hate PNC.

PNC is only giving you relief from the sexual arousal, but it's not really satisfying you emotionally.

Your subconsciousness understands it, even if your rational mind doesn't.

You keep edging, hoping to prolong the nervous state, hoping there will be *some* emotional relief, some sense of love. but there's none.

the inevitable happens, you release, and you feel spent, but you still don't feel "full" emotionally.

Basically, you crave intimacy, but the person you crave it from doesn't exist.

# Loop

this creates a dangerous loop, where it becomes a "compulsive" "behavior" to seek outlet and attachment and the warmth of intimacy through these activities.

But that warmth never comes. you keep doing it trying to seek that which is never coming. It never comes. You try more. And on, and on.

This is why therapy that is somewhat similar to therapy offered for OCD can help reduce the pain.

Although, it bears pointing out, the therapy will help you control the wild compulsion developed, but it won't get rid of the sexuality.

A better way would be to understand the sexuality, and not stigmatize it internally + finding partners who understand and can help you express it in ways that satisfy you both.

... as an alternative to medicalization for kids with childhood onset.

In my opinion, the most difficult part about childhood onset is forming meanjngful connections, and much of that emotional outlet/gratification is hindered by this condition.

Emotional support animals could help mitigate much of the distress. They could even be helpful for adults.

What do you think? yay/nay? what are your reasons?

edit - I am talking about dysphoric pain. if you don't have dysphoria, this isn't about you or people with experiences like you.

There's a lot to say, but much of it it is disorganized in my brain, and I can't figure out which leads to what, or is it all disconnected, so I will do a massive dump of thoughts on here, you pick and choose which you wanna talk about. I will maybe make specific posts later.

# Trans and the LGB fight

People on both sides are wrong, and just cause one side is wrong doesn't make the other side implicitly right.

Trans wrongs -> they believe "we are who we say we are", but then there have been multiple instances of grooming non-trans people that they are trans.

Why not leave people alone, and let people figure out their sexualities (auto/allo) for themselves?

LGB wrongs -> trans are autosexuals, and that doesn't make them homosexuals/heterosexuals even if we can't change sex, because trans people aren't totally attracted to the other person, as LGB allosexuals are.

I spent a lifetime trying to figure out what makes a "straight trans girl" a homosexual/heterosexual, and I couldn't figure it out until I learnt about AGP and by extension autosexuality.

Trans community -> please stop telling others what they are or are not. It's beyond time that you realized how effed up it is to tell others what they are, and then turn around to say "I am what I am".

LGB -> yes, we can't change sex, but you need to recognize autosexuals as distinct from homosexual/bisexual allosexuals.

Personally, I wouldn't use the label trans/LGB for myself, because that is really a restrictive and wrong way to describe my life experience, and why I am attracted the way I am.

I am autosexual male. that's about it. I don't have "internalized transphobia" or "internalized homophobia" or "internalized biphobia" or "internalized heterophobia" or whatever the effing new terms people wanna use.

# bathroom debates

How difficult is it for two sexed spaces, and one gender neutral?

# AGP/AAP, autosexuals, "no human is born trans"

It was decades ago when Blanchard wrote that phenomenal paper, and the contours of AGP/AAP were limited to trans people’s sexuality. Idk if autosexual was coined at that time.

Now, some people believe that there is gender fluidity in animals, but that's about those animals and parasitic systems where animals undergo modifications of sex traits, but there's no "trans identities" in animals, as we have in humans, as there is homosexuality.

However, are we sure there's no autosexuality in animals?

# Child sexuality, childhood awareness, "trans" minors

While many people don't want it to be true, it is.

The sexual arousal circuitry is present from birth onwards, and can get triggered.

Those minors who are experiencing autosexuality, trying on makeup, or putting on the big boy pants, they aren't actually "trans". They are autos, with no understanding of what it means or why they want to put on some makeup, or dress up manly.

Instead of blockers and medicalizing minors, we should help them understand their own sexuality, which is difficult, considering a part of them isn't attracted to other people the way allosexuals will be growing up, and considering how stigmatized it is, and how many people even refuse to acknowledge it.

Emotional support is much more important than medicalization.

The affirming identities support seemed to work because it inherently gave a way to explain the sexuality, but that's just wrong to affirm kid's "trans identity".

Emotionally supporting minors is much more than affirmations though, as this condition also makes it difficult for people to emotionally connect with others.

# Fluidity in sexuality

There's some truth that some "trans" minors grow up to be allosexuals.

But it is also true that not all complete the rite of passage from auto to allo. If you look around this sub, you will find a comment that describes the pathway from attracted to a specific anatomy ("disembodied penis") to full allosexuals ("I like men"), but it's seems that some autos don't complete that pathway, and maybe somewhere in between, even as adults.

so, in short, let kids figure it out for themselves whatever they need figuring out with no undue influence either way.

# Teaching people that there's an appropriate way to present

I blame the "no questions asked affirmation model" for where we are at now.

Constructive criticism is a thing, and people should really learn to understand and learn good presentation.

The affirmative model is really concerning since there seems to be an overlap with neurodivergence, and that makes it difficult to understand that some presentation is socially bad. Blindly affirming will only make the person learn bad things.

For example, growing up, I thought tight clothes looked good on me, and people around me were honest and gentle. It really helped me learn and not become one of *those* people.

# "Gender dysphoria"

Ofcourse, there's a sexual angle to AGP, and hence also to the dysphoria.

However, the people who are denying the dysphoria exists at all or making it all about the sexual reasons, are ignoring the emotional aspect of love.

Love directed towards a version of self, is still love, and love has an emotional aspect. Unlike allosexuals, autosexually dominant people don't really have a "sink" to direct their emotional needs towards.

If you listen to people like Briananna Wu, you can read between the lines, how Wu is/was unable to get emotional relief/emotionally connect with females and/or males.

all that emotional build up, with no release, no way to tie up with other people, that's gotta hurt.

Ig, that's why people "troon out", trying to connect with their own self, as if that self is another person, through sexual acts/feelings. But there's no other person. There's no reciprocity involved.

so of course, there's a lot blowing up on **that** platform about Page.

One thing catches the eye is the posts from certain groups of people.

Posts that say something like "Page transitioned because of internalized homophobia".

Seriously? are we gonna say now that autosexual/aap women who are attracted to some form of themselves as males/masculine form, are **homosexuals**?

apparently, I am both HSTS and AGP. I am early onset (7 years old, first trigger). Is that possible?

... and their level of denial is rubbing off on me, I went from understanding somethings, to now not understanding anything at all.

Many people seem to think AGP is only about crossdressers, or like " *those* people but not me "

I wish I understood why some people develop a gender identity, so I can better explain this to them.

not a pro/anti trans/transition post.

Edit -> this is far from saying take out pride marches and create a separate AGP/AAP flag.

It's a long gap from been not shamed to been "proud".

However, I feel like it would benefit many trans people to come to terms with this.

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So, I recently read Phil Ily's blog. And some things make sense, although there are a few unanswered questions for me, which I hope people here can answer, thanks.

I understand that I am AGP or I have AGP.

What I want to know from you beautiful people, is how many of us, how many of you, developed a cross gender identity?

My question is about the thing that many AGP males are comfortable been femboys and many AAP females are comfortable been tomboys, and may not develop the identity, also may not want to transition completely.

Basically, how do people go from "I want to feel feminine/maculine" -> "I feel like a woman/man" -> "Tom/Diane died as my old self, now Angelina/Liam is all that remains".

Anyone here familiar with the group "birds of a feather"?

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Anyone from that group hanging around this subreddit?

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It was a very old activist kinda group. If anyone remembers any members or stories/memories, please share.

I recommend to go through my previous post "Setting the record straight" before reading this one.

GNC, passing .... etc

One of the goals of the "gender nonconformity to one's sex based gendered stereotypes" movement was to enable trans people to change their gender expression to that which did not match socially acceptable stereotypes for their sex group.

People used to use this line "clothes have no gender". Particularly for trans people, it was and is a way to socially normalize that it was okay for an AMAB person to wear dresses, and an AFAB person to wear trousers.

But do you notice something here? the sex of the trans person is acknowledged in the language, which developed in a way to separate sex and gender. Sex not equal to gender identity forms the basis for the trans movement.

The implications are profound.

Trans people's sexuality

Back then, the people who gave trans people THE certificates, they made sure that the trans individual had a firm understanding that post transition they shouldn't be changing from straight to homosexual or from homosexual to straight labels, if the target of their attraction stayed consistent.

However, in general -

1. gay men aren't attracted to trans women.
2. lesbian women aren't attracted to trans men.
3. straight men who are attracted to trans women, are not into men.
4. straight women who are attracted to trans men, are not into women.

yet based on technicality of sex and sexual attraction labels, straight partners of trans people would be considered bi/homosexual, which does not do justice to the totality of the trans experience, and erodes the sexuality of the straight partners.

On the other hand, using labels based on gender identity also does not do justice to the totality of trans experience, like for example, no one should be forced to date trans people simply based on identity alone.

Context -

The language and terms associated with this condition has been overwritten and continues to be overwritten by a certain group of people. (Seriously, only a handful of people maybe aware of to what extent this revisionism has taken place, and is happening).

I left these spaces a long time ago, and I was content to live life on the sidelines, but the generations that came, they effed everything up.

So, this is my attempt to set some of the record straight. It sure as heck will bruise a lot of minds, but so be it. I hope, from what I have seen of this sub, that at least here, people are willing to listen and introspect.

(A word of caution - the movement was hardly linear and uniform, so take what I am saying with a grain of salt)

##1 "Gender is a social construct"

This came about as a result of THE experiment by THE John Money, and a lot of activists wrote stuff that expounded and expanded on what this could mean socially.

It became a thing that one could "choose" one's gender based on behavior, presentation etc.

This was believed to be true, until the Money experiment was debunked by one Dr. Diamond, who did Reimer and humanity a big service by exposing how the experiment had failed. But even then, we continue today with "gender is a social construct".

The correction here is that "gender expression is a social construct", not gender "identity", which was rooted in psychology, as a strong dissociation or disconnect with one's natal sex, leading to complications, disruptions in social interactions and so on and so forth.

Essentially, in short, one cannot be made trans, neither can one "choose" their identity. People can only choose how to express themselves socially. Changing one's social expression doesn't mean anything w.r.t having/not having a strong dissociation or disconnect with one's natal sex. Those are completely distinct and different things.

##2 - "Normalize the bulge"

LOL.

Before this was a thing, people did something called tucking. Duct tapes, gaffs, what have you. Tucking was primarily done to avoid "the bulge".

However, it began to be seen as harmful, and in my time I did come across one case of the person ending up needing surgery down there anyways, due to the damage the tucking did.

Anyways, the people began doing away with tucking. At first, it seemed innocent enough that people wanted to avoid something harmful, and initially people tried to normalize it in a different, non erotic way (think "free the nipple"). It did not work out at all. that was taken over by ... uhem, uhem ... who wanted nothing more than to shove that thing in other people's faces. And on and on and on. Everything went downhill, until we come to "go*k".

##3 - "gender non conformity"

It was actually about been non conforming to natal sex based gendered stereotypes, rather than been non conforming to one's "gender". (cisgender vs transgender, but oh lord, shall we tell them, or better to leave this one alone?)

##4 - AMAB, AFAB, pronouns, misgendering, meltdown etc

*sigh*. People used to be more based. no one had complete meltdowns over "wrong" pronouns. In fact, pronouns weren't even a thing. If we wanted to not get misgendered, it was our duty to make the herculean effort to pass, to voice train, to put every goddamn effort.

Sadly, even the passing/clocking thing has been degraded and holes drilled into it in all possible ways, until none of the original intent has remained. For one, passing wasn't supposed to be taken to the extremes, like so many people do nowadays with extreme surgeries and so on.

##6 - leaving life in the open vs living a quite private life

As people in this sub tend to notice, except for a few who built their "brands" on giving out accurate information with regards to surgeries etc, many transsexuals have moved on, many aren't even active on social media at least in any major way connected to their trans identities. some are actors, some are business people, some are engineers, but most have moved on focusing on other aspects of their lives post transition.

But nowadays, we see many people doing that thing. you know that thing, right?

##5 - "transmedicalism is not a thing"

Well. Tell that to all the professionals from Hirschfield to Diamond to Benjamin, and everyone in between.

Yours truly,

Dracula.

P.S. more to come, but i want more blood first, as I am just risen from the dead, after centuries of slumber.