u/emptybluecloud

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Martial rape ?

I come from a country where most men joke that non-consensual intimacy doesn't exist. It has always disgusted me, and I’ve been so disappointed by the men around me. I never looked into it deeply before because, to me, it was obvious that forcing someone to engage in sex would ruin any relationship. I just thought of them as disgusting and ignored them.

​I’ve started looking into it recently because of another doubt I have, and I’m shocked to find that a majority seem to think there is nothing wrong with it because they view it as a 'right.'

​I’m trying to keep this objective and I'll try not to look emotional, but how is this sustainable long-term in a marriage? I know that intimatcy is very important in relationships and that both partners should try to meet each other's needs, but how can forced intimacy not carry any form of accountability or consequences? If a woman is forced, is there truly no recourse? Is it not considered a valid reason for divorce, forcing her to seek a khul' as if the husband committed no wrong?

(There is no hadd or tazir for non-consensual sex between a husband and a wife)

I understand that the term non-consensual intimacy between spouses is a modern legal concept, but does the terminology really matter when the harm to the woman is so obvious? (And the harm to the relationship in general)

Men hold more power in these dynamics, and it feels like islam is meant to protect against that kind of harm, especially when the world is already so unfair. Islam stopped so many mistreatments towards women.

Why is women's arousal not important? Getting aroused is important because it makes intimacy way less hurtful for her.

It’s debated even now if this is even a 'real' issue, which makes me realize how incredibly difficult things must have been for women in the past.

u/emptybluecloud — 15 hours ago

Concubinage

This is literally the only topic in Islam that has caused me depression (I'm a born Muslim)

I have been lurking here (I don't use Reddit much)

and I know that some people will roll their eyes at what I'm saying because this topic is trending right now. But since it is trending, I felt the need to speak up.

I did a lot of research. I watched tons of videos, read a lot of fatwas, and read many hadiths. But instead of helping me understand, I felt that these women were taken advantage of.

It feels like no matter how much Islam tells us that slaves are our brothers and so on, these women were not viewed as humans (unless they became umm al walad) based on how lustfully men viewed them. (They can't even ask them to impregnate them because their consent in azl is not required)

The fact that their 'awrah is different from that of free women is crazy to me.

Even if she became a Muslim, she can't wear the hijab unless she gets freed.

Yes Islam stopped many things regarding female slaves, like prostitution, etc.

But the fact that a slave can be sold if she doesn't get pregnant, and that multiple owners (not all at the same time I mean that she gets sold from owner to owner) can have intercourse with her is so disgusting.

A married slave gets forcibly divorced from her last husband once she falls in the hands of a Muslim man.

And it's clear that there is no consent in any of this. I feel like anyone claiming there is consent is just trying to cope, because even most scholars agree that consent isn't required because It's ownership. No woman would want sex (with the enemy) after having her family or friends killed just months earlier. No way.

There’s a sahih athar of Ibn Umar saying that you don’t even have to observe istibra for a virgin slave, which means you can have intercourse with her immediately..

So now what? I believe that God exists. I love Islam, it did so many things right for women, it stopped so many atrocious things, and it just makes sense. But I feel hopeless. I can't make concubinage make sense to me, no matter how much I try or how much I ask.

I don't think slavery is a closed door. I know it can't happen now, but it could happen in the future if we have a caliph and there's jihad, and non muslims taking Muslims captives and the whole world brings back slavery which isn't impossible.

No door in human history is ever truly closed if civilization itself fractures. If the entire global legal structure collapses and a classical Caliphate engages in total war with an enemy that also takes captives.

What can I do? This is something that I feel is pulling me away from Islam. Shaytan makes me think about this all the time.

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The evidence for what I’m saying is in the comments I'll provide links

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u/emptybluecloud — 2 days ago

My faith is low because of concubinage and I hate it

This is literally the only topic in Islam that has caused me depression (I'm a born Muslim)

I have been lurking here (I don't use Reddit much)

and I know that some people will roll their eyes at what I'm saying because this topic is trending right now. But since it is trending, I felt the need to speak up.

I did a lot of research. I watched tons of videos, read a lot of fatwas, and read many hadiths. But instead of helping me understand, I felt that these women were taken advantage of.

It feels like no matter how much Islam tells us that slaves are our brothers and so on, these women were not viewed as humans (unless they became umm al walad) based on how lustfully men viewed them. (They can't even ask them to impregnate them because their consent in azl is not required)

The fact that their 'awrah is different from that of free women is crazy to me.

Even if she became a Muslim, she can't wear the hijab unless she gets freed.

Yes Islam stopped many things regarding female slaves, like prostitution, etc.

But the fact that a slave can be sold if she doesn't get pregnant, and that multiple owners (not all at the same time I mean that she gets sold from owner to owner) can have intercourse with her is so disgusting.

A married slave gets forcibly divorced from her last husband once she falls in the hands of a Muslim man.

And it's clear that there is no consent in any of this. I feel like anyone claiming there is consent is just trying to cope, because even most scholars agree that consent isn't required because It's ownership. No woman would want sex (with the enemy) after having her family or friends killed just months earlier. No way.

There’s a sahih athar of Ibn Umar saying that you don’t even have to observe istibra for a virgin slave, which means you can have intercourse with her immediately..

So now what? I believe that God exists. I love Islam, it did so many things right for women, it stopped so many atrocious things, and it just makes sense. But I feel hopeless. I can't make concubinage make sense to me, no matter how much I try or how much I ask.

I don't think slavery is a closed door. I know it can't happen now, but it could happen in the future if we have a caliph and there's jihad, and non muslims taking Muslims captives and the whole world brings back slavery which isn't impossible.

No door in human history is ever truly closed if civilization itself fractures. If the entire global legal structure collapses and a classical Caliphate engages in total war with an enemy that also takes captives.

What can I do? This is something that I feel is pulling me away from Islam. Shaytan makes me think about this all the time.

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The evidence for what I’m saying is in the comments my post got deleted for not providing.

reddit.com
u/emptybluecloud — 2 days ago