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This just dawned on me, and it kind of shows what the goals of the incult are.

If what the incult is saying is true, that the world's end is very near, shouldn't they focus on saving as many people as they can and focus on evangelical missions?

Why is it then that the incult is more focused on placing people in strategic social and political positions? This move is only done by people who want to achieve long-term goals.

For a doomsday cult proclaiming the end of the world is near to dabble in politics and worldly matters is hypocritical. Or does the incult actually not believe that the world is ending?

So, for the lurkers and OWEs here, please enlighten me. Why???

This just dawned on me, and it kind of shows what the goals of the incult are.

If what the incult is saying is true, that the world's end is very near, shouldn't they focus on saving as many people as they can and focus on evangelical missions?

Why is it then that the incult is more focused on placing people in strategic social and political positions? This move is only done by people who want to achieve long-term goals.

For a doomsday cult proclaiming the end of the world is near to dabble in politics and worldly matters is hypocritical. Or does the incult actually not believe that the world is ending?

So, for the lurkers and OWEs here, please enlighten me. Why???

According to many Judeo-Christian traditions, angels were originally created with free will and the capacity to sin, which is a vulnerability most famously demonstrated by Lucifer and the third of the heavenly host who rebelled alongside him. However, whether angels retain that ongoing ability to sin depends heavily on specific theology.

Traditional theologians, such as Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologiae, suggest that the spiritual realm underwent a definitive, permanent parting of ways following that initial heavenly rebellion:

• The "Elect" Angels: The angels who remained loyal to God passed a fundamental moral test. In recognition of their faithfulness, they were confirmed in eternal holiness. For these holy angels (referenced in 1 Timothy 5:21), further sin is considered impossible.
• The Fallen Angels: Conversely, those who succumbed to pride permanently lost their state of grace (2 Peter 2:4). Unlike humans, whose earthly journey allows for a lifetime of repentance and redemption, angels operate under an irreversibility of choice. Theologians widely view these fallen beings as irrevocably locked into their evil condition, entirely outside the scope of scriptural redemption.

This theological framework creates a massive logical dilemma for Felix Manalo, the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo, and his followers who claim he is the "Angel from the East" prophesied in Revelation.

Claiming angelic status is far from an absolute win. In biblical theology, an angel is either completely locked into eternal holiness or they are a fallen being permanently stripped of the capacity for forgiveness. Because Felix Manalo was a human being who lived a standard earthly life, he undeniably sinned. And since scripture provides no mechanism for a sinning angel to ever be redeemed, his self-proclaimed title traps him in a theological corner: if he was truly an angel who sinned, he would be permanently beyond the reach of God's grace.

The creature signed his own death warrant without reading the terms and conditions that came with it.

Gusto ko lang mag rant, amp0ta na kasi. Ilang taon na nga ba ang incult? Bakit hanggang ngayon ay di ko pa rin maiintindihan kung ano ang mga sinasabi ng mga mang-aawit sa lahat ng pagsamba. Pinaka rare na talaga kung maiintindihan mo ang buong kanta, kasi minsan na man may mga salita na maririnig ko pero ang mga sumusunod na mga linya ay di na klaro.

Akala ko lang na isolated case lang 'to, sa mga lugar lang siguro sa amin 'to nangyayari. Pero mali ako, pati ba naman galing sa sentral ay normal lang pala kumanta na di naiintindihan ang liriko ng kanta. Kitang-kita at dinig na dinig sa mga official videos, di ba?

Pakiusap lang po kayong mga OWE na tagapagturo sa mga mang-aawit ng simbahan niyo, pagbutihan niyo naman ang trabaho niyo para at least naman may melody ang mga mang-aawit niyo.

Tapos kayong mga OWE na mang-aawit, pagbutihan niyo naman ang pag-aawit niyo sa loob ng simbahan! Di ba para sa Diyos ang pagaawit ninyo? Eh, bakit tunog ng trumpeta palagi ang lumalabas sa bibig ninyo?

Kung di niyo naman kakantahin o binibigkas nang mabuti ang mga salita, tanggalin niyo na lang ang liriko at mag-la-la-la na lang kayo.

Faith should require neither a blood sacrifice nor a membership fee.

The doctrine peddled by the incult, that the Creator demands either your death or your money, sounds less like divine grace and more like a celestial extortion racket. Life is meant to be lived, not treated as a transaction or a deposit into a cosmic bank.

If we are being honest, a deity (incult's god or the manalos themselves) who demands blood and currency resembles a despot far more than a benevolent creator. Ultimately, either such a being does not exist, or he is not the "good guy" the scriptures claim him to be.

The part where Cliffe exposes Jesus’ strong opposition to the self-righteous is in his very first response in this video. The rest of the video contains more debate points worth watching, but I want to highlight this section in particular because it hits the incult in the balls.