No one in the late Third Age doubted the existence of Elves

This might seem like an obvious point, but it is less obvious when you think about it.

In previous posts, I asked whether Frodo had ever met an elf before Gildor, and whether people would instantly recognize elves as elves.

In the late Third Age, most Men, Hobbits and Dwarves would only have rare chances to see and communicate with Elves, and that was only when they wanted to be seen. And yet nowhere in The Lord of the Rings do we hear anyone disbelieving that Elves exist. Which seems unusual--- immortal beings with strong powers and what seems like "magic", who live in a few enclaves hundreds of miles away, and yet everyone in Middle Earth knows they are real. And in some cases, treat them as a normal, prosaic part of life. The source of bottle deposits, for example!

Even when people react against Elves, such as when the people of Rohan and Gondor show fear or distrust of Lorien, they don't disbelieve that they exist. Despite having what seems like hundreds of years without contact, they just take it for granted that there are kingdoms of immortals living a few day's ride away.

(If anyone can think of any quotes or passages that contradict this, feel free to let me know)

(Also, I know some of this is external to the writing...if Tolkien had planned The Hobbit as part of the larger mythology, he might not have had elves doing something as common as floating barrels down a river to a city of men).

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u/glowing-fishSCL — 1 day ago

Would an elf immediately be recognized as such?

This question is part of a larger question, but here is a simple version of it:

Would men, hobbits, dwarves, and other elves immediately recognize an elf as such?

Say that one of the members of Elrond's household decides to visit Bree, and he walks into the Prancing Pony. Would everyone immediately know that he was an elf, or would it be possible they would just think he was a Man from afar?

Thinking back on the Trilogy and other writings, it seems that every time that someone meets an elf, they immediately know it, and there can be no mistake. But are there counterexamples I am not thinking of?

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u/glowing-fishSCL — 2 days ago

Squaring a number repeatedly, subtracting one, and divisibility by 17

If you take any number (that is not itself divisible by 17), and then square it, square its product, etc, you will always get a number that is one more than a number that is divisible by 17.

In six or less steps, I believe, which still leads to very high numbers.

I don't know what (((((89^2)^2)^2)^2)^2)^2)-1 is, but I do know it is divisible by 17. (Also, more easily, by 2, 3 and 5)

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u/glowing-fishSCL — 3 days ago

Did Gandalf take part in the wars of the Northern Kingdoms?

Since Gandalf and the other Wizards showed up in Middle Earth around 1000 TA, and Angmar was formed around 1300, and the next 600 years was basically Angmar slowly overtaking Eriador, I assume Gandalf would have been present and would have helped Eriador against the Witchking and their allies.
On the other hand, I don't know if the prohibition that the Istari had against "matching might with might" (or whatever the phrase is) would have meant that Gandalf couldn't just ride out with the armies of Arnor and cast firebolts. It doesn't seem to be quite the way he operated.
So what was Gandalf doing for those 600 years, in Eriador, against ringwraiths, orcs and trolls?

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u/glowing-fishSCL — 4 days ago

Were Gildor & Company the first Elves that Frodo had spoken to?

I can't remember if this is directly addressed in the text, or is even suggested by context, but when Frodo and the hobbits met Gildor in The Shire, was that the first time that Frodo had actually spoken to an Elf of any sort?
And if there is not any direct textual evidence, what would be your guess about Frodo's experience with Elves at that point?

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u/glowing-fishSCL — 4 days ago

Medium-Somewhat Obscure, but it makes sense.

Some of these states have more than one of these things, but all of them have at least one.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 5 days ago
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Week 26: (77/52): The Mexican Dream by J.M.G. Le Clezio

Another book in my Nobel Prize Quest! One of the interesting things here is that this is a non-fiction book. Le Clezio is a French language novelist, but he has lived in Mexico for much of his life, and this is a non-fiction account of the conquest of the Aztecs by the Spanish.
One of the problems with a book like this is that as deathless as the prose might be, the sociological and historical research is going to move on. So I enjoyed the poetic part of the book, but I don't know how academically valid the conclusions of the book are.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 6 days ago
▲ 12 r/52book

Week 26: (76/52): The Empusium by Olga Tokarczuk

This is another book read as part of my Nobel Prize quest. Tokarczuk won in 2018. Compared to some winners of the prize, this was an accessible book. It is even funny, being a comedy of manners set in a tuberculosis resort. Some of the topical humor is a bit outside of my scope, since it is based on Pre-World War I social stereotypes. I liked it, and am looking forward to reading more of her works.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 6 days ago
▲ 5 r/52book

Week 26: (75/52) Wires and Nerve by Marissa Meyer

This was a Dollar Tree pick-up! Sometimes I can find good independent graphic novels at The Dollar Tree. Apparently this is the adaptation of an entire property that I haven't heard about before. This is YA semi-dystopian science-fiction. It had an interesting take on some familiar concepts. The biggest problem as a graphic novel is that it was done in greyscale, and so I had trouble following which character was which at first.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 6 days ago
▲ 3 r/52book

Week 25: (74/52) Mastodonia by Clifford D. Simak

Simak wrote what amounted to "cozy" science-fiction. This book has a couple discovering a portal to the past in their backyard (along with a crashed space craft and a stranded alien), and describes their rather prosaic plans to make money by providing safaris to time tourists. Many of the larger issues of time travel are just ignored. I've read several of Simak's books, and they are nice little adventures.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 6 days ago
▲ 2 r/52book

Week 25: (72-73/52) Reign of X, Volumes 1&2

I picked these out from the library with the idea of having some "light reading". These turned out to be way too heavy. I read a lot of Marvel comics. I have been reading Marvel comics for at least 40 years. These get so heavy and deep into continuity, and involve so many dense plots and so many new characters, or old characters used in confusing ways, that I found it a bit of a chore to keep up. These were also thinner than some TPBs, so I checked four of them out...and I am still wading through them!
I don't really know who the average Marvel/X-Man fan is in the 2010s or 2020s.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 6 days ago
▲ 2 r/52book

Week 25: 71/52 Mockingbird: I Can Explain

More relatively light Marvel, from the "snappy dialogue" era, more or less. At some point, I will have read all of the TPBs for three libraries. I usually find these enjoyable and fun, although I don't know what else I exactly get out of them.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 6 days ago
▲ 3 r/52book

70/52: Power Girl: Power Trip by Geoff Johns

I finished this one a few weeks ago, and forgot to add it. This is light, fun DC reading. I actually think DC can be more fun to read than Marvel because it isn't quite as overdosed on continuity. So this is my pleasure reading while in the middle of other things.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 6 days ago

How hellish would you rate this?

Yes, I am posting this for a particular reason, but I will let people rate before I say.

>!This is in Hillsboro, Oregon, located less than 1000 feet from the Hillsboro Airport MAX stop, which has better than 10 minute service during peak hours, and has trains 20 hours a day. The people in this neighborhood can walk to a light rail station in under 5 minutes and be in downtown Hillsboro in 10 minutes and in downtown Beaverton in 20, or in downtown Portland in 45. !<

u/glowing-fishSCL — 7 days ago

Serious question: how do you explain the Oregon Coast to people who think beach = fun in the sun and relaxing on a beach towel?

I was just talking to someone who, after I showed a picture of the beach, suggested this as a course of action. I think they were from New York or something.
Anyway, in the next few messages I got blocked.

But when people's main experience with the beach is of Atlantic beaches, and they suggest you do something like this, how do you respond?

u/glowing-fishSCL — 10 days ago

Is anyone here familiar with Denis Johnson, and do you think he fits the vibe of the World of Darkness?

Denis Johnson was an American writer who was a post-modern and literary author, but whose books had hints of several "action" genres, with most of them involving some elements of crime, war, detective, or horror fiction.
The fact that these elements are usually kept at the level of "magical realism" in an otherwise realistic, but noir world, are why I think he fits the World of Darkness.

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u/glowing-fishSCL — 16 days ago

Was Nurn populated when Sauron was absent from Mordor?

It is dealt with briefly in the Lord of the Rings, with just a few lines mentioning that in the southeast of Mordor, there was a land where people (specifically, slaves) grew food.

That is a pretty big region, and I have two theories:

  1. That when Sauron came back, or restablished himself in Mordor, he captured or bought slaves, from his allies, and brought them to Nurn.
  2. That there was a permanent population, an entire culture, that lived in the region, that was based around slavery and Morgoth/Sauron worship, and that even with Sauron gone, they continued there, and when he came back, they eagerly started producing for him again.

Both of these theories have problems, and I actually leaning to the second theory as more probable.

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u/glowing-fishSCL — 17 days ago

Dash Crofts won a Grammy at the first Grammy Awards, and passed away shortly after this year's Grammy Awards.

This one is a bit of a story:
At the first Grammy Awards, in 1959, a band called "The Champs" recorded a song called "Tequilla", that won a Grammy at the first awards, for Rhythm and Blues performance. "The Champs" included two young session musicians, Jim Seals and Dash Crofts, that would go on to form a soft-rock duo in the 1970s.
Jim Seals would pass away in 2022, while Dash Croft would pass away in March of 2026, meaning that a winner from the first Grammy Awards was still alive until this year's Grammy Awards, and that the 2027 Grammy's will be the first without a winner from the original awards.

(Unless someone can find another session museum from that year that is still alive).

u/glowing-fishSCL — 19 days ago

Bob Pettit, the first NBA MVP winner, is still alive at 93

He won the 1955-56 season, and is still alive today.
The NBA as a league goes back several years before then, but the MVP trophy dates from 1955.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 19 days ago

Sidney Poitier (1927-2022) has overlapped the life of every Academy Award winner for Best Actor

Sidney Poitier, who won the Academy Award in 1963, was born in 1927, the same year the prize was instituted. He lived until 2022, and so he easily overlapped the life of all other winners. This will probably be the case for a while longer, since it will be a while until someone born after 2022 will be old enough to win the prize.

u/glowing-fishSCL — 19 days ago