Is there room for more nuance in the straight and bi trans women discussion?
After yesterday, and after reflecting a little more on some of the things being said including what I said, I’ve been giving it all some thought. I wanted to share another post in the hope of opening up a more thoughtful and nuanced conversation around it.
I think the current discussion on fairs is collapsing several very different questions into one. I want to try to articulate something that I think is getting lost in the current debate.
I have always believed that being a trans woman who is attracted to men can influence your life in ways that are meaningfully different from being a trans woman who is not attracted to men. I do not mean that one experience is more valid, more oppressed, more authentic or somehow better than another. I mean different social positions can produce different experiences and sometimes people want a space where those experiences can be discussed without having to explain the basic premise first.
And for that particular point, I have learned, it do not think the decisive distinction is necessarily between exclusively straight and bisexual women.
A bisexual trans woman who dates men may share a great deal with a straight trans woman..the stigma attached to being a trans woman who desires men, the particular forms of fetishization involved, anxieties around disclosure, dating and physical safety, the question of how men perceive us. And all the contradictions surrounding heterosexuality when society often does not recognize our relationships as heterosexual in the first place.
There is also a historical irony here that I find difficult to ignore. For a long time, trans women were stereotyped precisely as hyper-homosexual men, essentially, so gay that they became women in order to be with men. That framework was grotesque and false. But in some contemporary queer spaces, particularly in the West, I sometimes feel as though the pendulum has swung into another strange position, where attraction to men itself can become morally suspect.. as though being male-attracted makes a trans woman an embodiment of patriarchy, cisheteronormativity, assimilation or political backwardness. I think that is a serious mistake.
A straight trans woman is not simply situated inside heterosexual normativity in the same way a cis straight woman is. "Straight" is a word we use to describe our own orientation in relation to our gender. It does not mean that the wider society consistently grants us the social status, legitimacy, or safety associated with normative heterosexuality. Quite often, the exact opposite happens... our attraction to men is interpreted through a homosexualizing or transphobic framework.
That is why I am uncomfortable when disagreements between straight and bisexual trans women are immediately described through a simple heterosexual-versus-bisexual power hierarchy. Discrimination against bisexual people is real. But I think we actually weaken those concepts when we apply them mechanically to situations where the supposed "straight" group does not possess the social power normally implied by heterosexual normativity.
At the same time, I also think experience is much more complicated than labels.
Two people can use different orientation labels and nevertheless have almost identical histories. A straight trans woman who only understood her attraction to men at 30, after decades of relationships with women, may have a very different developmental history from a bisexual trans woman who was •visibly• male-attracted from early childhood and was bullied for it long before she even understood what sexuality was.
If I grew up being called homophobic slurs as a small child because other people already perceived something feminine or male-attracted in me, that experience does not suddenly become irrelevant because another woman ultimately identifies as bisexual rather than straight.
Likewise, a bisexual woman who has dated men, feared men, loved men, been rejected by men, been fetishized by men and negotiated disclosure with men may understand parts of my life immediately that another straight trans woman simply does not.
Speaking only for myself, this is also why shared experience can sometimes matter more to me than the exact label someone ultimately uses. Yes, you are right, I may have more in common with a bisexual trans woman who, like me, was perceived as a gay or feminine child long before transition, was treated accordingly and grew up navigating the shame, scrutiny and hostility attached to being seen as f*g, than I do with a straight trans woman who only discovered her attraction to men much later in life.
That does not make her orientation any less real and it certainly does not make either of us more or less valid. It simply means that we may have very different developmental histories. Someone encountering male attraction for the first time at 30, 40, 50....or 60 may be working through experiences that are new to her, while for someone else those dynamics may have influenced her social world since childhood. Those differences can affect how we relate to dating, men, sexuality, vulnerability and even one another.
So for me, there is no contradiction here. I can feel a deeper sense of recognition with a bisexual woman whose history closely resembles mine while still understanding why some straight trans women may want a space specifically centered on straight experience.
That is why, personally, I would have absolutely no problem sharing a space centered on male attraction with bisexual trans women. If the subject is our experiences with attraction to men, dating, desire, stigma, fear, intimacy, rejection, safety, relationships, joy, whatever.. then the relevant commonality may very well be male attraction, not absolute exclusivity.
But I also understand why people create narrower spaces.
There is value in being able to say something and know that everyone in the room understands the context without a paragraph of disclaimers. That is not automatically an assertion that outsiders are inferior. It is one reason bisexual people should also be able to have spaces centered specifically on bisexual experience. Gay women should be able to have lesbian spaces. Straight trans women should be able to discuss experiences specific to straight trans women.
These things do not have to be mutually hostile.
What concerns me is when the existence of any narrower space is immediately interpreted as an act of domination rather than asking what experience the space is actually trying to make discussable.
And I really do not want this to become oppression Olympics. It well get really, really messy.
For what it is worth, I am not a moderator. I did not create the rule and I am not speaking for the mod team. I am only explaining why I think there is a legitimate underlying issue here even if people disagree about whether this particular flair rule is the right way to address it.
And I may be wrong. People are free to disagree with me.
But I would really like us to be able to discuss the actual differences and overlaps in our experiences without turning "straight" into a moral category.
Sometimes people want a room where they are understood without explaining themselves. I think all of us should be able to recognize that desire.