▲ 18 r/SEO

Does SEO Have a Random Element?

I was listening to a podcast with Edward Sturm & Kalin Karakehayov and Kalin said something really interesting.

Right around the 1:19 mark he basically talks about how there is a random element to SEO (listen for about 5 minutes). To summarize what he said, he made a point that if anchored links always helped a site, you would simply constantly build links to your site and would see a positive result. If overuse of anchor text always had a negative result, you would simply build links to your competitors and watch them tank.

He said the thing that keeps Google from dealing with this problem is the random element where you don't really know how it's going to impact you and that there is a random factor.

This isn't a concept I've heard anyone really discuss much in SEO and wanted to see what you guys think?

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u/joyhawkins — 6 days ago

AMA with Joy Hawkins - Founder @ Sterling Sky & Google Business Profile Platinum Product Expert - Google Business Profile Help

Hi Reddit! I’m Joy Hawkins. I’ve been working in the Local SEO trenches since 2006. Today, I’m the founder and owner of Sterling Sky (a leading Local SEO agency in the US & Canada), and the owner of LocalU and the Local Search Forum.

I am also a Google Business Profile Platinum Product Expert, which means I spend a massive chunk of my life volunteering inside Google's official help forums, helping business owners navigate the constant puzzles, bugs, and shifts on the platform.

If you’ve spent any time working on Google Maps over the last few years, you know that managing a Google Business Profile (GBP) has become a bit of a minefield. Between sudden, automated suspensions, the headache of the new appeal processes, massive algorithm updates like Vicinity, and a relentless flood of fake, spam listings choking out legitimate local businesses, Local SEO isn't as simple as just "optimizing your NAP consistency" anymore.

At Sterling Sky, we don’t rely on guesswork. We test every single theory, myth, and strategy to find out what actually impacts local rankings and conversions.

This AMA is your chance to pick my brain about anything and everything related to GBP issues. We can dive deep into:

  • GBP Video Verification: How to survive Google's strict new video verification processes, what to show on camera to prove your business is real on the first try, and how to fix it when the system gets stuck in a loop.
  • GBP Suspensions & Appeal: How to navigate Google's brutal suspension workflows without losing your mind, and the exact documentation you need to successfully get a profile back online.
  • Fighting and Reporting Map Spam: Red-hot tactics for identifying fake listings, tracking lead-gen networks, and successfully cleaning up your local market using the Redressal Form so your real business can rank.
  • Why Your Legitimate Google Reviews Are Going Missing: Breaking down Google's aggressive AI review filters, why perfectly honest customer reviews get ghosted or filtered out, and the exact steps to take to try and get them restored.
  • Weaponized Fake Reviews and How to Remove Them: How to confidently identify a negative review attack from a competitor, or other types of fake reviews, and the precise escalation path needed to get Google to actually take down fraudulent 1-star reviews.
  • The Truth GBP Optimization: What our internal testing reveals about choosing primary and secondary categories, adding attributes, and whether adding more categories actually hurts or helps your visibility.
  • Local Service Ads (LSAs) vs. Organic Maps: When you should stop pouring money into PPC and double down on your 3-pack strategy, and how to structure both to complement each other.
  • Local SEO Myth-Busting: Geotagging photos? Keywords in owner responses? Let’s talk about the tactics that are complete wastes of time versus the ones that move the needle.

Whether you're a multi-location brand, a local contractor, or an agency marketer looking for answers, ask me anything!

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u/joyhawkins — 6 days ago
▲ 7 r/agency

Recommendations for VAs

Do you use a company to find VAs in other countries? We have had a lot of success with having admin staff in South America and we keep our client work mainly in Canada and the USA.

I am exploring getting more technical roles filled in South America as well (like developers).

For those who have done this, do you find it easier to hire through a VA agency or hire them yourself? If you pay an agency, what is a reasonable fee structure? If you paid them $2000 a month, for example, how much of that would you expect to go to the employee?

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u/joyhawkins — 26 days ago

The Patterns we are Seeing with Core Updates

I just published one of several videos talking about the core updates Google has done in the last year and how we are seeing them impact small businesses. Through posts on social media + conferences I have spoken at, I have interacted with a lot of people that have experienced this. I'm currently tracking a couple dozen sites to see when recoveries happen and so far haven't seen anyone recover.

I do think recoveries can happen but am unclear on the timeline. Do you guys have any examples of sites that look like this? Happy to add more to my list and see if they have the same patterns as the ones I have audited so far.

Google Search Console data for impacted site.

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u/joyhawkins — 1 month ago
▲ 82 r/localsearch+1 crossposts

Local service business lost nearly all organic traffic after 2025 core update. rebuilt site, removed 100+ thin city pages, cleaned backlinks, still no recovery. What am I missing?

I run a local home service business that has been operating for 12 years on an established domain.
For years, we ranked very well organically for our primary local service terms and generated a meaningful amount of business from Google Search. After a core update in 2025, our organic traffic fell off a cliff and has never recovered.

I’ve attached our last 16 months of Google Search Console performance. Before the drop, we were receiving roughly 40–70 organic clicks per day. Now we are often down to single digits. Impressions also collapsed.

This is not just a small ranking fluctuation. It has had a serious impact on revenue, and I am at the point where I am genuinely worried about having to close the business.

Background
- Local service business serving a defined geographic area.
- Domain/business is approximately 12 years old.
- Google Business Profile has 113 reviews with a 4.7 rating.
- We actively request new reviews, although getting customers to leave them consistently has been difficult.
- We used to rank near the top for many of our important local service searches for years.

What may have caused the issue
Previously, the site had 100+ city/service-area pages. Some were thin, duplicative, or could reasonably have been viewed as doorway-style pages.

Since the traffic loss, we have:
- Removed thin, duplicated, and low-value location content.
- Reduced and reworked the city/service-area page strategy.
- Rebuilt the website from the ground up with usability, local relevance, and Google’s people-first content guidance in mind.
- Written unique content for each remaining service and city page.
- Improved page structure, internal linking, technical setup, and conversion experience.
- Reviewed and cleaned up backlinks that appeared spammy or unnatural.
- Continued optimizing and maintaining the Google Business Profile.
- Continued working on earning legitimate customer reviews.

However, nothing has resulted in meaningful organic recovery.

What confuses me
When I compare our business to some of the local sites ranking above us, I struggle to understand what Google is rewarding.

Some competitors appear to have:
- Far fewer reviews.
- Weaker-looking websites.
- Less detailed service content.
- Less established branding.
- Pages that appear thinner or less helpful than ours.

I understand that a site does not deserve rankings just because it is older or has more content, and I am not assuming that “unique” content automatically means good content.

But after cleaning up the obvious problems and rebuilding carefully, I cannot identify what is continuing to hold the domain back.

Completely lost.

u/il-liba — 1 month ago

These spam domains in Ahrefs are getting out of hand

These spam domains in Ahrefs reports are driving me insane. They make the referring domain chart so unusable. Anyone found a good solution to this?

u/joyhawkins — 1 month ago

How James Dooley Ranked 1000 Websites

I absolutely loved having the opportunity to interview James Dooley and get a ton of SEO tips he has used to rank over 1000 websites.

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u/joyhawkins — 1 month ago

Google's New AI Features Are Changing the World

Just kidding. They are about as legendary as I thought they when they announced it at I/O earlier this week.

If you want to have fun, just search stuff like "stop", "disregard" etc.

u/joyhawkins — 1 month ago