u/newb_bass

i imagine haruka being non-compliant because he might realize he gets more attention when he isn't masked up. but when he was compliant with guidance from others maybe he'd be like the description i gave to muu & mikoto (although tbh i think maybe considering the society they grew up in, in all realism they'd keep them on and know how to wear them well like the average japanese person... in which case muu would be coordinating hers like mahiru and mikoto would probably be wearing normal disposable surgical masks)

"but u/newb_bass we can clearly see fuuta is wearing a cloth mask!" yes! however, with the lectures he has given others on cigarettes and in general how paranoid he is, i think during the pandemic he would've sought out full coverage. i myself wore n95s and sometimes a face shield with them during the height of covid but nowadays i just wear cute black or colorful cloth masks sometimes when i don't want to show my face. as for kotoko/shidou/es they seem the type to be well researched (didn't include jackalope anywhere on the list for... reasons. see kotoko t3 voice drama for why)

as for yuno i had a friend who kept meeting men off tinder for dates during covid so i could see yuno keeping the meetings up on the down low while wearing a normal disposable surgical mask in public. which would contribute to spread risk all the same, but, well, we have seen yuno not valuing herself, as she put it in t3's 'life'.

meanwhile amane i'm just wondering if she'd not wear anything as protest or very begrudgingly do those masks that were basically a statement piece on non-compliance

added some captions to the images speculating a bit but i would appreciate your interpretations - just how 'self-aware' was kotoko really? was she perfectly in the right to reject this interpretation of her by es?

wanted to discuss the parts of undercover where everyone flashes across the screen really fast. for part 1 and part 2 i recommend rewatching the vid to get the full sprites to decide (sometimes their hands are interestingly positioned that the zoomed in part would have off screen)

either pick favorite poses for each part or just discuss which one had the strongest emotional impact on you in each part

a decrease from 58.86% when i made this post two days ago this same hour of the day

most of them i matched like 15 points with a few exceptions. everyone is pretty relatable. overall, kazui wins. do i talk about him enough, i wonder? anyways, most bingos was shidou.

diagnosis: unc (auntie? is unc gender neutral like 'bro'?)

i was kind of bad at the bars but w/e kazui is first and es last. wish i had gotten a bingo for everybody but oh well

inspirowane u/Character-Chip-1679

in case you missed it there was a little ongoing meme about mikoto going to poland this past interrogation 0 1 2 3 (fanart, even, in link 3! you can repost it in this thread again if you want chip, it motivated me to make these XD - i look forward to your art tomorrow)

let's say the story premise is that john booked him a spontaneous vacation, lol. 48 hours is definitely enough time to get from japan to poland and then some!

i also wanted to recolor his hair to the polish flag but i am not skilled enough with my simple mspaint to do this so i am requesting fanart of this from someone maybe if that prompt inspires you

renders mostly done by this tumblr user and then i edited the t shirts in them to have a famous savior painting and lewandowski upside down and polish cow lol. not that you can see them #pixels

tldr simple instructions: vote for the one you do not like/like less

this tournament isn't about which character is most 'correct' to dislike. let your passions guide you! upvote the comment of the character who inspires your ire more, whether it be due to their crimes inside or outside of milgram, their writing, their personality, something they said or did just one time that bothered you, or even how annoying their fans are - vote freely!

please, for the sake of fair voting totals, do not downvote the other comment. (i will be subtracting downvotes from voting totals for tallies - previous day's stats in comments. if the downvote ratio for one character is ever more than 5 percent different than another character i will actively comment as such for transparency).

drink that haterade and have fun discussing your reasoning in the comments! (please be good to each other, though)

tldr simple instructions: vote for the one you do not like/like less

this tournament isn't about which character is most 'correct' to dislike. let your passions guide you! upvote the comment of the character who inspires your ire more, whether it be due to their crimes inside or outside of milgram, their writing, their personality, something they said or did just one time that bothered you, or even how annoying their fans are - vote freely!

please, for the sake of fair voting totals, do not downvote the other comment. (i will be subtracting downvotes from voting totals for tallies - previous day's stats in comments. if the downvote ratio for one character is ever more than 5 percent different than another character i will actively comment as such for transparency).

drink that haterade and have fun discussing your reasoning in the comments! (please be good to each other, though)

tldr at end

i would ask that we exclude the truck driver from your judgment in this conversation (the subreddit has extensively discussed the ethical dilemma of the oath and the professional context of triaging when loved ones are involved) since he was not in a state of brain death, and this is a post focusing on the organ donation aspect of shidou's case. i guess you could say considering the techniques present in the hospital and that he died on the operating table the truck driver might've been part of the whole organs thing if he had had a donor card but i'm not inclined to fluff up that particular situation with details that aren't already there, you can comment if you think that would've strengthened the overall reaction to the writing though if it had been included, but otherwise please leave opinions on the truck driver to other posts.

first, the initial thoughts i had on him ripping up the card, since it was initially the only thing i was going to post about until i fell down a small research rabbit hole:

in judging this crime, i think it is way too soon to take him ripping up the card as his 'final' decision. i think he would've gone back on that decision eventually, actually, considering how much he regretted it within milgram.

emotionally, i wouldn't hold too much against him in his grief for taking a couple years to choose to end life support. surely he would know better than anyone that that takes a lot of time to process, even though he's harder on himself. child organ donations are a needed thing (and maybe he had done child transplants before? sometimes adult organs can be used/customized for growing children and teens despite more difficult adjustments as well btw, but overall child donors are still pretty rare and lots of people die on wait lists) but i wouldn't blame him for wanting to see his child grow up a bit first, it's not like brain dead people stop growing (we had a family friend with a brain dead teenage - so not adult - daughter from a car accident who kept her on life support for almost 10 years, i would hear about her sometimes growing up). his son's age in particular is actually a very important part of why his case is a modern debate, which i will provide context for in a bit.

now, this is just my thoughts/initial feelings i'm putting up for refinement through discussion (and i recognize knowing a family this affected during my own childhood does in fact color my initial emotional reactions), but i would enjoy hearing differing perspectives, such as "even if it was forever, i pardon him that hypocrisy for x reason" or "this was one of his morally worst moments that i have trouble looking past, and i believe even if it was temporary (or wasn't - you can contradict my theory it's ok haha), considering his past at his job, is an unforgivable sin for x reason" or any other opinions/variations of these and the reasoning. it's always interesting to hear how people feel, please do not feel i am expecting a certain answer or will scold certain answer types despite what i shared in the last paragraph, it's a deep and sensitive issue that i wish to respectfully emotionally consider, especially considering shidou's unique context as a doctor character.

next, here's some context from japan on the evolution of the professional practice of organ donation there that i'll repost from wikipedia and some articles referenced by the wikipedia/that i searched around for (if i don't put the link it's in the wikipedia references list):

>Organ transplantation in Japan is regulated by the 1997 Organ Transplant Law which legalized organ procurement from "brain dead" donors.^([1]) After an early involvement in organ transplantation that was on a par with developments in the rest of the world, attitudes in Japan altered after a transplant by surgeon Juro Wada in 1968 failed, and a subsequent ban on cadaveric organ donation lasted 30 years. The first transplant after the Organ Transplant Law had defined "brain death" took place in February 1999.^([2])

>The first heart transplant in Japan was conducted at Sapporo Medical University in 1968 by Juro Wada.^([7]) This operation attracted concerns that Wada's evaluation of brain death was inappropriate, and even though an investigation of possible criminal liability was dismissed, a distrust of organ transplanting developed, particularly of transplants from brain dead donors. This brought subsequent developments in transplanting to a halt.^([6])^([8])

>The 1997 law required dead donators to be over 15 alongside both written donor consent and family approval. The 2010 revision removed the age limit and made the system opt-out while retaining the need for family approval. Additionally dead donors could designate comparable family members as priority recipients beforehand. The law change resulting in a change of 7.2 dead donors per year between 1999 to 2010 to 53.4 between 2010 to 2016.^([9])

>There is a traditional perspective on corpses of gotai manzoku - the soul cannot be put to rest without being physically intact and without defect.

here is a chart showing the rate of dead donors in japan compared to other countries from one of the articles referenced in the wikipedia, please note that dead donors for this particular chart include by definition as a category brain death and cardiac death:

https://preview.redd.it/yvleilqdxalh1.png?width=481&format=png&auto=webp&s=648820ace892b41c0e4e42f95422980f827f2400

now, moving on to child donors. after the revision of the law, the under 15s became eligible for procedures in japan. considering that there had previously been a law about age restrictions, there was a notable case:

>The Toyama University Hospital on June 14 declared a boy under age 6 brain dead. Later his heart was transplanted into a girl under age 10, his liver into another girl younger than 10, and his kidneys into a woman in her 60s.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2012/06/30/editorials/a-child-organ-donor/

since then, there have been several similar cases, and they always make the news. considering shidou's profession but also the privacy of his family, you have to wonder what the professional environment would've been like amongst his colleagues in particular - would he have been able to further the cause by speaking on the case? what would shidou have done after, had he not been in milgram?

regardless of that, though - this indirectly weighs shidou's 'victims' from the donor wait list at not one, but three or more lives, even, potentially (life-saving transplants include heart, kidneys, liver, lungs, pancreas, and intestines) - and you can perhaps consider the scenario that all compatible candidates would have been children.

anyways, moving on to statistics:

>In Japan, Paediatric heart transplants are rare, resulting in transplant tourism to North America, where most foreign paediatric heart transplant receivers are Japanese.^([9]) Europe and Australia do not accept Japanese patients for organ donation following the 2008 Declaration of Istanbul.^([10])

now, another law adding complexity to his case (from closer to when milgram was released, even!) was the 2020 pediatric priority rules for donors (so, kind of like a form of triage of limited medical resources, with kids taking priority. sound familiar?).

i'm having trouble finding specifically how many children are on japan's organ donor list right now (would appreciate someone posting that for me!), but from this article (Pediatric lung transplantation in Japan across legislative and allocation reforms: A nationwide registry analysis of waitlist and post-transplant outcomes), i will share:

>Among 2732 candidates for lung transplants between 1998–2024, 149 (5.5%) were children.
...
In 2020 pediatric priority rules were introduced so that lungs from donors <18 years are, in principle, preferentially offered to pediatric candidates.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053249826017729

so there kind of is a moral pressure to not wait long for donation, despite my personal initial emotional feelings up there, and i'm sure shidou understood that better than anyone, and it was a carefully crafted part of the writing intent to bring focus to this issue. it's interesting because while amane's case talks about age in relation to criminal action (here's a global comparison write-up i did here on why that's a current issue, in a similar vein - omg i realized that's a dark medical pun as i wrote that considering this post's topic but i guess i'll keep it), parts of this plot point with shidou's son talk about age in relation to medical action.

if you want to kind of generalize the numbers from lung issues, here's the overall organ donation wait list from a recent year:

https://preview.redd.it/c3o37cebudlh1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=2107d609805662b8dec0f52da863adf7e57427ad

>As of the end of March 2026, the number of people registering to receive an organ transplant surpassed 17,000, although the proportion of those actually being able to undergo an operation remained at less than 4%. The graph shows the number of registered candidates for each organ type as of the end of fiscal 2023, alongside the number of transplants performed in fiscal 2024. Although the two figures do not necessarily correspond directly, they reveal the difficult reality when it comes to fulfilling the hopes of patients.
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h02754/

i haven't seen this particular aspect of his case dug into that intimately in discussions (everyone gets too distracted by the truck driver), so i wanted to focus on solely this.

so far i've been pretty emotionally disconnected from this particular aspect of shidou's case but i've actually been crying over it for the first time ever on and off this past half hour while writing this and getting into the details ('he knows what cutting up his own baby would look like!!' and other such sobworthy dramatic thoughts, in addition to how depressing it is to read about wait lists). idk. let's chat about it. even if you feel parts of your opinions are a bit strong in the face of the details (or maybe even 'feel wrong, but it's still how i feel for now' - refining emotions through discussions with peers could be worthwhile for you, like it is for me), please feel free to speak up (also, are altogether anti organ donation people still hanging around? would be interested to hear you speak about the situation in your own country/your culture - sharing that quote about japanese personal beliefs about what makes the soul able to move on and that being a factor weighing on the japanese dead donor effort in this post made me curious about similar or other lines of reasoning)

https://preview.redd.it/vubbod7irdlh1.png?width=916&format=png&auto=webp&s=082333324247e62f76c0d16643959fd508241b1a

if you want to update your status or are unsure of it, here's a map to help you figure that out (not sure of its currentness but yeah if you're interested things probably haven't changed much)

tldr of the facts although i really encourage you to read the whole thing because it's interesting and emotionally moving: there was a ban on dead donors in japan for a long while, in 1997 it was lifted for the medically declared dead above age 15, in 2010 the minimum requirement of being 15 was removed, in 2020 around the time of milgram a law came into place prioritizing organ donations from children towards children. discuss any aspect of this related to judging shidou (pardoned? not pardoned?), initial imperfect thoughts and feelings welcome, doesn't have to be your final take/unchanging emotionally firm opinion, let's just discuss together.

tldr simple instructions: vote for the one you do not like/like less

this tournament isn't about which character is most 'correct' to dislike. let your passions guide you! upvote the comment of the character who inspires your ire more, whether it be due to their crimes inside or outside of milgram, their writing, their personality, something they said or did just one time that bothered you, or even how annoying their fans are - vote freely!

please, for the sake of fair voting totals, do not downvote the other comment. (i will be subtracting downvotes from voting totals for tallies - previous day's stats in comments. if the downvote ratio for one character is ever more than 5 percent different than another character i will actively comment as such for transparency).

drink that haterade and have fun discussing your reasoning in the comments! (please be good to each other, though)

since she, well, fell from the nest in a way - her home/family - and parts of kazui's family name would be the tree in this case.

if you have any other name & story event connections i'd appreciate you sharing them! no matter how loose the interpretation