u/newb_bass

so i was planning on rewatching the interrogations so that i could analyze es more in depth, as opposed to the prisoners. would anyone be interested in an interrogation watch party? i'd set up a room on watch2gether (i don't have discord), which is a site where you can watch youtube videos together while not logged in (chat function works better on pc than mobile, though).

option a: i just host an open room and stream on my own whenever, or on days you guys can influence if you're really into this idea and want to be there for *most* of it.

option b: if enough people are interested and firmly want to be there, you can propose availability/communicate strong interest through comments or my dms so that i can set up a group chat for logistics. i'm thinking since the trials are so long and there's so many, maybe 4 sets of five, or 2 days of watching, one for each trial.

option c: the mods see this post and take the idea of a group watch out of my hands and organize something for the subreddit instead (also fine by me)

i had a teacher in high school who asked me what i would choose, justice or mercy - he even wrote me a letter about how unyielding i was about other people not seeing my point of view at the end of the school year, haha.

i was, of course, young. it wasn't easy to accept or even conceptualize the breadth and depth of other people's life experiences. even if others held similar opinions to me, small differences in alignment were something i saw in need of pursuing firm logical correction, and i could be very insistent. i was very dogmatic - i didn't value consensus-building for a shared goal as much as i valued being wholly right. vengeance was also very important to me, conceptually, as well.

after various life experiences and, perhaps most impactfully, milgram, i have different opinions now. i am constantly reflecting on and learning about the concept of personal responsibility through this project - verbal affirmation and denial, the extension of forgiveness, what we choose to allow and permit or not allow and permit as juxtaposed with the will and interpretations of others after the fact. i have been reflecting on the ripple effect of words and actions, as well as lack thereof - how those tie into being considerate of others, especially of their personal growth and capacity for change, while they react in ways one wouldn't expect. milgram has given me a lot of references for non-linear growth that have cultivated my patience for others, as well. in a word, merciful.

while i was like early kotoko, fuuta, and amane, i am not so quick to argue quite so passionately anymore.

while this is the effect milgram had on me, i am sure for others this has perhaps been a very different experience. perhaps it has shown you that the public plays favorites for unfair reasons, is too inconsistent, and is too merciful? perhaps you feel that milgram has refined your sense of justice, rather than your sense of mercy? please discuss.

i tried to make a spoiler free title, but to clarify, this is about culpability for the deaths of haruka, shidou, and mahiru.

i wanted to put this up to a vote, but i don't have reddit mobile, so i will post two comments you can vote on (innocent/guilty, in the style of the trials), if you aren't much into discussion. please don't downvote the other one.

i, of course, welcome nuanced takes, in addition to general discussion this inspires. for example, we are responsible for haruka's end, but not shidou's or mahiru's, or we are responsible for what happened to mahiru and shidou, but not haruka, or any such variation on this. i think it could be a very fruitful discussion. in this case, if you believe we are culpable for even one, please vote 'guilty'.

please i am begging. the instruments the deep timber of his voice the high tempo the sheer energy radiating off the beat, everything is chef's kiss and i need more. does anyone here listen to music like this outside of milgram? i've been looping camouflage and its instrumental just about daily since it came out and like i'm still not tired of it it's still powerful and hits just right but i would perhaps like to hear similar music because omggggg imagine a whole playlist full of that energy. the two websites dedicated to finding similar songs i tried did not give me voices deep enough or tempos fast enough agh.

outside of milgram i love listening to balkan brass music it really has the high tempo trumpets i love so when camouflage hit it was right up my alley, i knew i was forgiving kazui no matter what was in that crime report. but yeah, i would appreciate more recs! men with deep voices singing to a fire, powerful instrumental at a high tempo! a bit of a niche request, anyone? would be especially cool if there were latin beats mixed in the recs but i will accept anything. anything. kazui camouflage i love you

also there are no camouflage remixes on youtube just covers so i can't even make a camouflage playlist with more versions of camouflage agh

unfortunately we never got to see what an early double guilty would've looked like, but let's speculate!

no side character romances, female protagonist. ideally, it's not a temporary no, but if he says no for a long time (years), i will also accept that.

i just want to read something bitter and full of grief. thanks.

perhaps include vs what you think *should* happen to es at the end of milgram if you'd like to add nuance.

popcorn eating 'this would be most entertaining' takes welcome alongside genuine heartfelt hopes for the character

interpret her music video in as silly of a way as you can.

theory 1: the milgram magic prison is real so werewolves are real therefore kotoko is a werewolf. why else would she be so strong? seriously, we already have a jackalope, werewolf theory is so real guys.

theory 2: kotoko didn't want justice because her family was terrible to her in childhood, it was because someone cheated during a match against her at a chess meet as a kid. she has vicariously sought out justice for this situation ever since. this is why she breaks and smashes chess pieces in t2.

2:20-2:50 i'm considering making it my ringtone

in trial 1 they just went in hands swinging and hit haruka right from the beginning... only one who could ever stop them was john! thank you john, miss you honey.

anyways kazui getting hit t3 was also... blegh. idc why it was 'justified' or if it's what kazui felt he deserved. i have never felt represented by es and their lack of moving away from this methodology (even though they have a magic force field) as they've come to doubt milgram and respect the prisoners more in t3 has been disappointing.

es unforgiven 2026

edit: solved

muu got attacked with a chair to the point of throwing up and bleeding, which probably gave her a concussion. did her friends take her to the hospital? did staff intervene, in which case her parents were probably called? if so, did they follow up on her being victimized at school, and if so, how?

what discipline did rei face? did muu just limp off to the hospital by herself without telling her parents ANYTHING? sleep off a concussion?

why did muu feel like she had no options? were her parents not checking up on her? she seemed to imply they really got along and loved her? did she go to boarding school, and that's why we never see her house/room in the mvs?

i have so many questions... i know school bullying is ignored in the case of most of what happened to muu or rei, but assault of that level? i get that just because the scene of rei's assault against muu was a classroom doesn't mean there were adults who knew/it was reported to the school, but what about her parents? if they were around, did they fail her?

did i miss some worldbuilding here that would explain better?

i know there was one for muu that turned out to not be true, and yuno already had the confirmed falling in her video, but in meme, he slides around in puddles a bit (personally, i would think maybe sliding off his bike in a wet area while exhausted, which would explain why he wouldn't remember the incident). combine this with subway theory, and one would think at least one of his incidents was entirely an accident.

not that this explains the baseball bat or anything; i just think since he has a lot of victims, we will have different types. another theory for the pile?