u/nothing_ftw

I bet everyone low key for a second thought they would show the bird move slightly or something in this scene or end of episode
This bitch is going to come back not to life but as a flying bird monster I am sure someone would have it as their nightmare and hopefully take Fatima with it to save that sweet precious screen time

Left Victors drawing and also in opening credits
Right Mirandas in her room, it is to the side and obscured

Definitely not MiY Victor draws him differently and we know they only met during last massacre and his form remains unchanged till Sophia

Wtf is this swirling black stuff, also how is victor encountering this and again surviving? we need adventures of victor episode more than Julie story walking

Two things unanswered so far:

1. We are yet to see who or what was it which was responsible for loud thuds on the hut when Jim/Kenny and Jade/Kenny/Kristi were there
2. Humming sound

, everyone heard it not in Tabis head

Both IMO are not dolls, first is obviously not as they were underwater but second people claim its the dolls how?
I don’t think they can hum they can shriek scream maybe, also it’s the same humming which young Tabitha used to do, almost like someone on the outside made them attack or help Tabitha remember ? Its a tossup at this point
I think we will revisit this scene that seems to be thing of writers showing what it really was 98 seasons later

Popular opinions I have heard:
Forest or Entity messing around
Eloise is alive and lives there?
Julie, its always Julie
Tabitha coming from a faraway tree from future

Minnows in a shark’s net is simply townsfolk stuck in this hell hole because of Jade and Tabitha and potentially other characters(Boyd?) since we don’t know the full story in detail yet

This prompts townsfolk to always kill Jade and maybe throw Miranda out to monsters i.e. betray her. I think Boyd too can have second thoughts since he lost Abby? With him it’s difficult for everyone to kill Jade but monsters always spare him so he has some role we are not privy to yet?

All people died in Fromville are trapped there suffering for eternity except those who are reincarnated according to Marielle.

Wonder why Abby keeps asking Boyd to not try if anyways they suffer for eternity after death ? that insatiable MF entity

8th Angkooey kid is buried under that slab. If all reincarnations of Jade know this, have they never been able to recover his remains ? Or are always killed before hand ?

Was Miranda somewhat successful in this venture ? And was in execution of last piece of puzzle by running to the bottle tree when she died?

She starts in day time and it’s night by the time she reaches the tree. Just like future Tabitha she would at that point in time know almost everything and then get killed

When characters important to the story start remembering and finding answers telling us 😂
On a side note what a great episode with exceptionally done Jade’s trip, dolls and Marielle!
Added spoiler for episode 5

Quick reminder: Victor only draws things that he sees in Fromville so pictures remember as he does not want to same can possibly be extended to Eloise

Now this picture can be Eloise because Victor does not supposedly colour this sloppy but its a toss up

My main point of discussion is those do not look like trees to me nor two separate hands, it looks like the hands of the same person who drew it and IMO those are not normal but monster hands :

1. No point in drawing a normal memory of a house and hands raised for no particular reason
2. The emphasis in the drawing is on the hands and not the house
3. Its in opening credits meaning this has been planned from the beginning as with rest of the things, but its concrete I would say and wont change ie we will get to it someday
4. The way trees are drawn are a bit different with trunk visible and those are four fingers with thumb

Do we think Eloise or Victor was indeed a monster at some point ? Would be a wild twist. Not the same monster maybe that we know but something new ? Would like to hear other thoughts and or counter points

Edit: Some people mentioning its just openings aesthetic let me remind you Victor drew whole town in a snow globe with underground paths. If thats plausible somehow this isn’t as much a stretch

There’s darkness in the forest. Nightmares you cant even begin to imagine. Things we were never meant to see
- Martin (S2E2) year unknown

I have always been a big martin fan because of intrigue surrounding him and how much he seems to know

1. Already knows how faraway trees work that you can get stuck or trapped in them
2. Knows about the town / monsters
3. Was unfazed when Boyd showed him the talisman
   4 Already knows extent of horrors in the forest
4. Knew how music box worked asked Boyd to leave before music stops and to kill him
5. Knows about Abby wtf? Asks if she was right and it was a dream
6. Knows about Julie was not one bit surprised when he saw her and asks her to leave saying its not safe here knowing full well she is story walking ?
7. Had worms in him for who knows how long, Boyd lost it when he had them for days in Season 2
8. Where the f is he from ? past ? future ?
9. He is not Fatima or MiY

Exhaustively noting all the dog appearances they are as vital as any other scenes

Interaction with Boyd have always been helpful/friendly:

1. S1E8 Boyd gets lost in the forest after he finds the dog for the first time leading him to talisman cave, I should also note it seems like dog looked back at someone here same way Jim was looking around in S4E2. We hear a twig snapping sound from offscreen
2. S2E2 After Boyd leaves dungeon and is disoriented the dog possibly takes him to safety through forest? He ends up with Victor and Tabitha in that truck
3. S2E10 After Boyd breaks the music box and says you don’t break me, dog appears barks at him and leaves

Jim/Tabitha:

1. S1E4 When Tabitha and Jim are searching for Ethan and he is with Victor, two dogs surround them, only time we have seen multiple. No idea what this was for, strangely enough Victor heard the dog bark through the faraway tree when he was with Ethan here and Ethan did not hear it, Victor then comes and shoots in the air which leads to dogs running away who were around Jim and Tabitha

Boy in White:
We see the dog with BiW in the town massacre scene when Victor comes out of the root cellar

Misc:
Victors drawings of the dog alone and with a couple.

What are we leaning towards good/bad someone instructing the dog?

I had this theory when MGM dropped it on their instagram we have never seen Spider being bad per se on the contrary I would argue only time we have seen something akin to its home in S1E10 … knowing there are horrors in the forest on which talisman cannot work, Boyd and Sara got out of there pretty easily after a small spider bite and a scare from Abby AND they actually found the lighthouse.

Spider bite did not have a super negative effect on Boyd nothing compared to worms cicadas etc which one would expect if its the big bad

What if its not and the author of book according to S4E4 made the grand Gooligog based on a spider and its helpful in that book explaining story walking and stuff, everyone focuses on cromonockle but this book is equally if not more important and I would argue the creature looks to be inspired from a spider if not a spider and might just help

Edit: I see it is a stretch calling it a spider but It could be that they only did it to make it less obvious under the garb of children’s book to make it less scary

I had this theory when MGM dropped it on their instagram we have never seen Spider being bad per se on the contrary I would argue only time we have seen something akin to its home in S1E10 … knowing there are horrors in the forest on which talisman cannot work, Boyd and Sara got out of there pretty easily after a small spider bite and a scare from Abby AND they actually found the lighthouse.

Spider bite did not have a super negative effect on Boyd nothing compared to worms cicadas etc which one would expect if its the big bad

What if its not and the author of book according to S4E4 made the grand Gooligog based on a spider and its helpful in that book explaining story walking and stuff, everyone focuses on cromonockle but this book is equally if not more important and I would argue the creature looks to be inspired from a spider if not a spider and might just help

Edit: I see it is a stretch calling it a spider but It could be that they only did it to make it less obvious under the garb of children’s book to make it less scary

I don’t think we have had this scene play out yet, it looks most interesting to me because it maybe a door to the void / abyss but that doesn’t sit right since either Victor or Eloise drew this. I think Miranda did not do crayons and this looks childlike

Is this a dark room where POV character is sitting and someone opening the door? Or more mystical like again the void or abyss ? Also who do we think this is ? Also victor and I hope Eloise too is pretty good at presenting surroundings if they exist this is deliberate black crayon

I read somewhere this looks like Boyd stuck in that well from season 2 but that doesn’t ring true to me to its rectangular shape, well was squarish

Is this just a bait and switch? What are we supposed to make of this 😂?
Any and all theories welcome
Last proper visual spider reference was S1E9/10 and victors drawings in passing over lake of tears ?

Edit: I am not even sure now if thats a spider or a different creature

I have seen the idea floating around where talisman has a mirrored figure with trees mirrored and sun and the moon, probably like upside down of stranger things
We have no proof of this from what I can tell, except for a hypothesis involving Jim

He has a scar which looks fresh from S2E8 and moments before Ethan sees him Julie story walks to the same place, this was healed up when MiY killed him
If he is a ghost or subconscious of Ethan he should not have this since last Ethan saw Jim was in the RV in S3 finale and doesn’t make sense for scar to comeback when people die? Plus it looks identical to S2E8
Jim story walking doesn’t make sense since what has happened has always happened and we never saw our S2 Jim do this or even allude to this event of the future and they wouldn’t want to introduce new rules of parallel universe and story walking since that brings down the stakes if new reality pops in each time you story walk somehow
Having two worlds looks just right to explain this, which would mean whole new lore dump as Jim from other world, but maybe we just don’t have enough time to meet alter egos of characters and could be confusing for audience

It is IMO probably the coolest location in Fromville
A dungeon we don’t know who built
Has a well/chimney in the middle?
Has characters trapped from another time and are tortured till they die including ours at one point
Potentially is the house of Music box monster/Ballerina who maybe is stronger than MiY
Is literally ruins now, don’t know how it got destroyed
Julie literally starts story walking though she does not have control as soon as she enters this space
Why the f was Boyd there in the first place

It is IMO probably the coolest location in Fromville
A dungeon we don’t know who built
Has a well/chimney in the middle?
Has characters trapped from another time and are tortured till they die including ours at one point
Potentially is the house of Music box monster/Ballerina who maybe is stronger than MiY
Is literally ruins now, don’t know how it got destroyed
Julie starts story walking when she enters this space even though not having control over it yet
Why the f was Boyd there in the first place