u/okayish-in

Not going to bother you with the list of questions that have already been asked in the sub over and over again but could you tell me what other documentary I could watch to get more details, if there is any such documentary that sheds light on the chronology of what happened and answers more questions?

for example I did not understand from the documentary at all that the girls did not know that their friends are deceased, and only HJ knew that, I only read about it here.

Simple fact : Shivangi doesn't deserve to win. If somehow she is still made the winner, then it proves one thing - Ekta Kapoor did all of this just to support her shows. That's corrupt AF.

Agar 19-20 ka farak hota toh shayad humlog nahi notice karte. But yaha poore show me ek hi bandi jeetne layak hai, Shreya Kalra. So if they make Shivangi win, Ekta exposes herself as a corrupt person who basically wanted to earn money from this show, so she made the person she would earn money from, win.

What a nepotism enabler, on top of corrupt.

Accha hai, let Shivangi win. I don't think Ekta Kapoor would be ready for the backlash that would come with making such an unfair decision.

I do not like Kushal, but cannot deny thoda zyada corner horaha hai. I did not like the removing mattresses and that part was sad.

But yeah, he definitely deserves karma.

Coming to Vriddhi, she is so annoying, not a good player, not a good presence on the show, like I don't want to watch her scenes and she gives off a negative vibe.

She needs to go.

Edited to add : The hosts are also wrong for what they did to Shivangi. They should have said "Wae Wae, Shivangi. Wae Wae". (Wae Wae - crying noises lol). She would have understood that since that's her language. Baaki kuch toh samajh nahi aaraha isko kyunki. ITV CryTV khel rahi hai. 💀

I am not saying this "princess of tv" tag is false. I am sure she has been called that. But to claim that over and over again and to have so much arrogance over that?

Like she didn't even listen to the hosts. She went back to the set and behaved the same, "I am worried about Harshad"

And then mimicking Shreya's voice about "it must be coming off as love angle" or something in today's episode. She is silly and naive to not know what Shreya is saying is true, or she might be genuinely trying to sell that angle while pretending that's not the case. Those are the only two options.

Either way, Shreya tried to help her. Abhi yahi jo aaj hua where Chaudhary told things to Shivangi and she blindly believed her, Shreya karti ki kisi ne kuch bola and Shreya believe karleti without talking to Shivangi, she would have been crying and mad, "you didn't even listen to me, made your opinion". I can bet.

She is a hypocrite. I have heard of her and she's beautiful. But she is coming off as a spoilt crybaby who happens to be an unapologetic hypocrite.

WHAT A WOMAN.

I am completely astounded by both the emotional and physical strength she carries. She completely ruled the challenge, and she had the heaviest weight to carry.

You could tell Ritesh was also impressed by Shreya when she told Ram to not tell her to give up. That's a Roadie, y'all! Amazing, amazing performance.

Dheeraj was so overconfident that he would win. That was funny that he lost.

And Yogesh? What a sore loser. He was trying to imply that there was no weight in what Shreya was carrying and it was favoritism. He lacks sportsmanship, man. The thing is though, it also seemed like he was implying that because Shreya is female. I could be wrong. But he couldn't seem to believe Shreya could carry the heaviest weight. He couldn't even fake clap for her. Baaki bahot toh fake clap kar hi rahe the, not all, but kaafi log were fake clapping to look good, because they didn't clap/look happy earlier when she won..only when Ritesh praised her.

It was obvious Shreya was also struggling with her box. You could hear it in her voice, her body language, her praying for strength and everything else.

She anyway had the heaviest box. Dheeraj had Sufi's box. And he still didn't win. Everyone else had a better chance than Shreya. And you didn't see anyone calling it unfair that Shreya had to carry the heaviest box. But when she won, they thought that was unfair and favoritism.

She is totally winner Material. And the song belongs to her. Have you guys noticed NO ONE else has bg music dedicated to them like that? Only Shreya. That's because she deserves it.

Also, I liked how as a controller she was the only one who was truly doing something that would help Ram's game and help him be secure. She asked him who he talks to the least, because that's something that would help in the game. Baaki sab kahani ghar ghar ki khel rahe the, mera bistar banao and whatever fights they had.

Shreya stayed out of it. A lot of people think Shilpa could ruin Shreya's game. I don't think so. I think Shilpa was pointless and vile today and look at Shreya, she stayed far out of it. Didn't say a word. She is smart, she knew Shilpa was wrong and didn't partake.

It reminded me of what I used to do with my sister as a child when we had fought. It was clearly not fake. It was a real authentic gesture and so sweet.

To everyone saying she didn't apologise, this is the most genuine apology I have ever seen on TV. She didn't cry, make it about her, she didn't do anything. Even infront of Chamola, she didn't make excuses. Even though we ALL KNOW she had her reasons.

She is so real. In both her good moments and bad.

And today Shreya stayed quiet out of guilt and she took a step back, the show was literally so bland without her. Wtf is going on, they are brushing together and that literally made me think of the hum saath saath hai vibe.

Believe it or not, Shreya is the chaotic good. She stirs up drama but never does it maliciously. I really like her.

Chaotic bad has entered the house now. Shilpa Shinde.

The only reason Chamola didn't tell people was because SHE GAVE IT AS A SECRET. that's why when she admitted it so openly on the very first day, very first few hours of the show, she realised she messed up.

If let's say ANYBODY has a tough time confessing something, toh wo in front of 2 strangers who they have just joined a show with, unko 1 ghante ke andar bata dega kya?

She is setting a narrative against Shreya abhi. But if she had a problem with her secret, wo khud itni jaldi show me aakar toh nahi blunder se boldeti?

Use common sense yaar. Ye outing kaise hua jab Chamola khud didn't think twice before sharing it..and only didn't share more because SHE realised usko apna secret safe rakhna hoga for the show. Warna toh she would have continued talking about it.

If anything, this makes it seem she IS quite open about her sexuality, warna in no world would someone tell the first people you meet on a show.

And I think : agar Shreya has observed ki Chamola seems fine with her sexuality and accidentally revealed her secret, ofcourse then it makes sense Shreya ne nahi socha iski secret boldene se pehle. Because if Chamola hi casually bata rahi hai jab wo kisi ko nahi jaanti (and chup bus isliye huyi kyunki secret tha) toh itni badi cheez nahi hogi for?

Man that was hilarious. Kushal definitely was worse than Vanshaj I feel. I used to actually watch Big Boss back then, and although I do not remember everything, I strongly feel Vanshaj is better right now than Kushal was way back then.

And he did all the things Vanshaj does, and more tbh. Vanshaj ne toh aisa kuch kara bhi nahi.

That was hilarious and goes to show he doesn't have any insight into his own behaviour even after all these years.

This could be wrong but Idk why I get the feeling Kunal likes and secretly supports Vanshaj. Idk he could just be the neutral host and honestly he is doing a fantastic job at it but I can't shake off the feeling even he must be seeing how Kushal is behaving is wrong. Some of his expressions made me feel this way, though they were subtle.

I could be a 1000% wrong but this is my opinion, what do you guys think?

I said what I said. And I mean it too. Vanshaj does give off warmth. Kushal seems to be a jerk, and that's the most polite word I could think of.

All points Vanshaj has made are valid. All of them. He has been amazing in the show, and I fear he will get evicted the way it's going.

And also it seems Kushal is insecure about Vanshaj or at least thinks too much about him lol. Because why is he hell bent on getting him out, people will say it's hatred. But I think he recognises that he can't just say anything to Vanshaj without getting a good comeback in return and that pisses him off. He wants to be the Boss. You can see how Kushal treated people throughout the last 2 episodes. Almost was respecting Kushal's game, then he goes around and does this.

I said this before too, Vanshaj seems like a decent, educated guy who knows his boundaries and wants people to respect his too, despite of how young he seems. Which is fair. He should be heard. His trigger seems to be authority, which is VERY common .... but apart from when he is triggered (even then he makes valid points tho) - but apart from that, he is very logical, kind and respectful.

He uplifts his people. Doesn't try to gain authority, which I feel some of the cast does, especiallyyyy Kushal. Vanshaj works as a team and Idk I feel he would be great as a team leader. He cares about his team while some people are just using theirs.

It was unbelievable to me that people would be able to see THIS episode and think Shreya instigated those fights or deserved what happened.

Everyone said Reddit is the only place she is getting support. She got voted the MVP of this season by a HUGE margin on my Poll, in the main sub itself. People are upvoting and supporting her like crazy here.

infact, more people are liking her than hating her

I realised a few things about Instagram hate when I checked it out:

1. These negative reels don't have a lot of likes. Or comments.

2. Shreya's reels are also getting support. Not ALL posts about her get support. But the ratio seems to be divided between for and against her.

3. Shreya's follower count has been stable throughout. And she is getting a decent amount of views too, 1M+

4. The comments on Shreya's social media posts, if you check them out: 4 types of users; the negative PR, the actual negative comments, positive PR and actual positive comments. Actual positive comments are MANY, +ve PR is still very few, -ve PR (including the fans of certain people : checked and verified) is a LOT. There are some real negative comments too. But the most is real positive comments.

5. Certain fan pages have full on agendas to comment, make reels etc negatively portraying Shreya and bombarding. We know how strong that, they get twitter trending hashtags through similar ways and IDK if that's easy or how many people that requires. So the fans take up a lot of the negative false PR, ofcourse without payment, just because they like a certain person.

6. Then ofcourse the paid PR against her.

Based on all these points, it's really safe to say that a LOT of the hate is manufactured towards Shreya. And instead of people completely hating her, it would be more fair to say that there are mixed reactions. Some really love her, some are annoyed by her. It's not all of one thing, but she's good TV.

In yesterday's promo, I thought she was picking fights with everyone. But that's not true. She was being picked on. Continuously. People talked about her negatively, said things. Even Sufi, now that everyone is trying to include him, was SO mean to the one person who was actually there for him.

Sufi and Chamola were talking about her. She was hurt and called it out that you don't have to stop talking about me.

Then they lied. Even Pam joined in to lie and gaslight her. And then Sufi starts cursing her? Shreya actually spoke to almost everyone from a normal level of voice and yet people shouted and said things. Only then did she lose it and started shouting.

I am so disappointed. Watching that Pam thing especially, Shreya did nothing wrong. They were such jerks. They were laughing at her. And what reason did Sufi have to spew curses at Shreya? She literally was just trying to talk to him.

I want her to win. I seriously want her to win. She deserves this. She deserves to be told if there's voting, that audience are saving her

Like what are the other players even doing? That "Poo" acting was so cringe. I fast forwarded.

The only things I wanted to watch was Shreya related. Every one else is either boring or talking about her.

And Harshad, I was super excited for him, I do not like him at all. Anymore.

I am happy Chamola's lifeline is gone. She deserves this.

Edited to add : to all the people with the hateful comments, even you can't deny her presence. Look at y'all rushing in on every post to say something about her, write long texts about her. Keep going!

Chamola

I thought she was a sweet wholesome type. But what she did today,

1. The whole Sufi and Varun thing. She told Varun tumhare jokes Jo samjhe uske saath karo? And sufi to not let it get it to him? Well, it's not just a remark. It's been his whole life. He is strong enough to be on the show despite people saying stuff. And he is not wrong to expect people inside to have decency. What EVEN.

2. The At risk thing. It would be one thing to just accept being the villian, would have respected it. But then coming back and being all nice with them.. and eventually upset at them for not understanding?? Umm. Yeah.

3. And did you notice how she told Pam "You're the only one I saved". That is MANIPULATION 101. I hope Pam saw through that.

And Harshad,

I am sure if he has wondered such a thing, he could have googled / read or asked anybody about it OUTSIDE OF TV? Idk. And then calling out Shreya for manipulating him into that narrative? Bro, a baby would have understood he was talking about himself.

And Honestly, saving someone who did the very thing that traumatised you, I am sure someone could do a study about it. Because why..and how?

Also, Shreya, I liked her, tomorrow's episode though, that seems like it might change my feelings? Unless there's any context. Because the little bit they showed of tomorrow was..cringe.

He noticed Ravi Kishan's team treated him as a mentor. He wanted to be the mentor.

Within Kushal's team, there were many "strong" voices, so to speak. Nikhil wanted to be the strongest voice, I feel. Afterall, people who are "masterminds" prefer their minds work while everyone listens. That wasn't that possible there.

He killed two birds with one stone. Became the "king" and got people who would listen to him. And this also affected Kushal Tanwar.

How, you ask? Kushal said he didn't want Ravi Kishan on his team. My assumption is he wants people who would listen, and Ravi Kishan wouldn't. Ravi would dominate Kushal or at least make him agreeable to some extent. It would kill his "Warrior" game. He would be a mere sheep.

And Honestly, I also think he noticed Kushal's way of speaking and decided to ditch that team because of that. Because Nikhil is too sophisticated for misogyny and also the "I'm a Man and I dominate this world" vibe Kushal brings. At least I hope.

And that's why I think he did what he did. Everything else he is doing rn, is simply appeasing the other teams until he doesn't have to anymore. What do you think?

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I liked Kian's B&B more. Both the shows were great in their own way, but I found Kian's B&B to be more wholesome, emotionally intelligent and heartwarming.

Jae-seok and gang are entertaining. But I find some of the jokes to be needless and sometimes judgmental. Ye-eun has been in both of them, and I especially felt she seemed more open and happier in Kian's B&B. This may just be me, but I felt in Jae-Seok's b&b the guys got together more and that they have said somethings that may not have been needed, sometimes to Ye-eun. (By they, I mean jae-seok and Lee kwang-soo). This doesn't mean these guys are bad. Nope. I liked them individually and really enjoyed all of them hanging out together. But I cannot deny some comments were in bad taste.

But definitely felt Kian's B&B was more welcoming and understanding of different personalities, situations and like I said, more heartwarming. And Kian's stay was way more difficult, but Ye-eun seemed happier. In Jae-Seok's B&B I felt she was just sidelined. Not always. But at times.

Also, edited to add: I also liked how in Kian's B&B the guests treated Jin, Kian and Ye-Eun as normally we would see each other, not as celebrities. I feel like I was expecting the same vibe with this too but there was a lot of fan moments too (not that I am complaining hehe, makes sense honestly. But since I had watched Kian's B&B before, I guess that was the expectation that was set for me)

What do you guys think?

Edited to add: Can I just say I love how respectful all of you guys are despite some people disagreeing with me? I love this and I appreciate you. Thankyou. 🌻

Did she hit the car after planning for dayys? I don't think so. No.

She crossed that path multiple times because of whatever reasons, someone said people brought drugs from there, someone said it's a short cut. Or something.

I do not think she was getting a lay of the land.

What I do think though, is that she deserves the time she got. I do think it was intentionally and not an accident - done in a fit of rage (not planned).

Even if it wasn't (which IT IS, but even if we put that aside for a second), She deserves the jail time. She was so abusive to Dominic. So much so that poor guy started recording these things secretly.

She used to threaten him. His own house was also not safe. So she deserves this jailtime.

And I do believe she doesn't remember anything from the crash, and if it was a just impulsive rage where she decided to crash the car in that moment, she does not remember the why or how of that either. So possibly, if she doesn't know what she did, she genuinely believes she is innocent. (Edited to add : I stand corrected. Someone told me more in comments that change my view).

Not that that should make us give her any sympathy ^ (just something I observed)

I don't know how many of you have read the text conversations, I skimmed through it, some notable things from there:

1. There are a few texts on there where Dominic is telling her she drives badly, and he is trying to say it in a way that doesn't hurt her.

2. She used to undermine all his efforts

3. Dominic tried in his ways for sure. But he was also a lil toxic in some situations , perhaps due to the relationship nature, everyone gets tired of bs. ( I DON'T mean he was toxic the kind this crazy girl was. I just mean, he had his own flaws like shutting down and sometimes that contributed to the fights. Even in his texts, there's some part where he said "we both toxic". I am not even saying he would have been like that in other relationships if he had any. Just that there were times in this one. But it was NOTHING compared to what this girl did.)

4. He for sure was a drug dealer, many texts talking about make a sale.

5. Mackenzie hated being at her home, sometimes her reason was my room is messy, sometimes had fight with mom, sometimes blah blah. She used to beg, and I mean BEG Dominic to let her stay. Didn't care about his boundaries. And also, would keep on bothering him about leaving his friends and coming to her.

She was toxic in many ways.

1. Really hear her story. It's consistent throughout. Every bit matches with what happened next, and what was said.

2. She described her environment well + gave even the smallest details in her story. She was not just saying stuff, she was remembering what happened and saying it. That's the sign someone is telling the truth, and this technique is used in actual investigations to check.

3. Notice however many times she was asked, she said the same thing. She didn't change her story. She added more details, but they matched with what else she said.

Sometimes people don't have proof. But listen to what they are saying, how they are framing it. It gives it away. It was all the truth.

For people asking for proof, do you guys pull out the camera when your friend is telling you stuff? The best she could do was tell her not to do it. And I believe that it affected and triggered Suzanne because of her own childhood trauma. It's clear in her eyes.

And for these two cheaters, I simply do not even want to make a comment. I'll say this : ew.

In no world would Suzanne cook up an entire fake story with so many major things, it's not possible. She knew people would ask her for proof, it's a big thing to say, and she still did.

1. She knew she would get majorly hated for it. This was very clear to her for sure

2. She gained nothing by exposing any shit here

3. Not one person said one thing to oppose what she said. Yaha to chote chote baaton pe aajate hai, itni badi baat pe defend nahi ho paaya?

4. You can tell from Akansha's expression. She was exposed.

5. The confidence with which Suzanne said it, she never once faltered despite people telling her to shut up, Karan continuously trying to change her words somehow, despite any and everything she stuck by her words.

6. What she said took courage.

So yes. These are all signs and facts. That she is telling the truth.

Not to forget, barely anyone, if anyone at all, is saying Suzanne is lying. They are calling her a bad friend for speaking about Akansha's secret. So even they know it's the truth.

They are just mad that why her. Bro if not her, how would Ruru know?

Y'all should be happy a woman got to know the truth about the betrayal, rather than bashing the women who helped her. And bash karna hai, then bash the people who did this. The two self centred people ofcourse.

But instead the way Suzanne double triple confirmed made it even more solidified ki bus normal hanging out nahi, CHEAT kara hai.

Because he emphasized the word, but DID THEY CHEAT?

And she repeated with emphasis, "yess, they cheated!"

She said "cheated cheated"...whoever is a mature audience, you are understanding what that means right?