u/poison_silver

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I have really bad social anxiety, I started listening to AITA stories as exposure therapy for my conflict avoidence. I've been loving your videos for about a year.

I need to RANT.

(TW abuse)

What's important for this story is that my kids & I went through a horrible tragedy in April of 2023, that left my kids fatherless ( no sorry needed. He was a POS)

Since then everyone is in therapy. My middle child, Ashalia (m2F age 7) has done play therapy from 4 to 5 and regular therapy when she was 6 until now. The therapist she had was great with her, helped with her moods and anti-social behaviors and gave me strategies to use when she would get difficult and destructive.

Then out of nowhere dude leaves the practice and it takes a month for us to be scheduled with someone new.

The whole situation sets off Ashalia's abandonment issues. She was 4 when her father died and to her understanding of events, her dad never said anything, never left a note, or a toy, just one day they are happy and playing together and the next day there's a bunch of police in the house and her dad is gone.

So during the between therapists time she is just ramping up negative behaviors. She ran away from school, she was hitting people, spitting, she licked hand sanitizer, it was bad.

We get in and start seeing this new therapist Jaxon. I didn't really like him off the bat. I have autism though and I was willing to give it time for me to be more comfortable around someone new. My biggest problem was that Jax did not maintain boundaries with Ashalia. For example, Ashalia was talking and Jax says, "I'll let you finish talking about Pokémon but then I need to talk to your mom." Ashalia does the normal 7 year old infinite run on sentence and is just talking. She's moved well past Pokémon and has been on other things for a while. At first I'm just watching like, "how is this person going to handle this?" But after like 5 minutes I decided to jump in.

I said "hey, just so you know, Ashalia really needs for boundaries to be enforced. You set a boundary and she has exceeded it."

Jax said something along the lines of "I'm very patient. Things that might annoy other people don't annoy me."

I tried to re-state that it's not about patience, it's about teaching Ashalia that boundaries exist and she needs to observe them.

In the same session, they went to get a toy from outside of the office and my daughter, who at this point has known this man for all of 20 minutes, grabs Jax's hand to walk out of the office. Jax just shrugged and said okay.

Like !@$&\* are you actually kidding me right now. You get a client that has had trauma and abandonment and boundary breaking as their biggest hurdles and the mom even SPECIFICALLY TELLS YOU that you need to be setting -- and maintaining-- boundaries with her and you're just okay with her grabbing your hand? Not a thought in your head of saying to this vulnerable child like, I don't know, "hey buddy can you ask me if you can hold my hand first?"

So, I already don't like this guy, but like I said, I'm willing to give him a fair chance. At week 3 appointment I already know I need to miss week 4 because I needed an emergency dr appointment. So I asked my wife to come with me so I could show her where the office is & etc. The session was mostly Ashalia & Jax talking and me n wifey chilling in the waiting room.

That week Ashalia had a REALLY bad night. She refused to go to bed and when she got to her "if you don't go to bed by the time I count to 3 I'll pick you up and put you there." warning she screamed at the top of her lungs and ran away. My wife picked her up and carried her like a sack of potatoes to her room. During this 2 minute walk Ashalia scratched, bit, pulled hair, kicked, grabbed my wife's breast and twisted it, and screamed. A few minutes later, as my wife was carrying the baby to put him to bed, Ashalia ran out of her room and punched my wife in the stomach.

When she gets like this, she will not stop until she is stopped and we put the baby lock on her door for the night. This was intended to give her a consequence for her behavior and to keep her (and the rest of the house) safe.

The next session Ashalia complained about the baby lock on her door. A day later I get a call from Jax wanting to talk to me about my "extreme parenting methods." So I spend the next god forsaken hour explaining to this man, who has known my child for a grand total of 4 fucking hours, that the baby lock is used:

\* during the night -- when adults with fully developed brains are sleeping.

\* when she has broken too many bed time rules

\* when she has done something dangerous during the night

\* when she is actively harming other members of the house

I even agreed to meet with this man and my wife to talk about alternative methods for parenting Ashalia.

The next day I got a call and emergency visit from CPS. Now, they can't tell you who made the report but they can give you the wording of it. As soon as I heard about the baby lock complaint, I knew it was Jax that made the call. In and of itself it still would have felt really underhanded especially since I was trying to work with the guy to find better solutions. But dude started his report with mentioning the trauma our family went through in April of 2023. Trauma that my older daughter was subjected to. Because of Ashalia's age and slow speech development at the time of her father's death, I may never know if Ashalia also suffered the same abuse my older daughter did but her behavior strongly suggest that she did. However in Jaxon's report to CPS he asserted that Ashalia was a victim of the specific type of abuse my POS late husband subjected my older daughter to before explaining the child lock situation.

The CPS worker essentially told me that the bit about the baby lock wasn't a concern especially because it was already noted in Ashalia's file as a remediation step for him getting out of the house about a month after his father died. But that the first part of the report-- the part that had been almost 3 years ago-- legally had to be investigated within 24 hours.

I called the office where Jax works and filed an ethics complaint. Saying that the visit from CPS re-traumatized me. And that his report was wholey inappropriate and unethical. The supervisor I spoke with kept trying to say that Jax didn't mean any harm and was just trying to do what he thought was the right thing. Now, I am normally very conflict avoident. If someone even sneazes in a way that makes me think they are mad at me I go hide. But, this was about my kid and I shut that shit down fast. I just answered that if that was the case, he would have just put his concern in the report. Instead he started the report with things that happened years ago to weaponize the system against me and make his point for him.

About a week later, I texted the supervisor dude to tell him that during a 10 minute stretch where Ashalia was not being directly supervised, ( I was out feeding the chickens) she managed to remove the lightbulbs from the ceiling fan in her room, put them in her pillow case, and put the case in the sink and fill it with water to "make electricity." 🙄 Ashalia wasn't angry or trying to be trouble-some, this was just a normal day for her. I used it as an example of why it can be dangerous to let Ashalia exist unsupervised.

Supervisor dude calls me and says that his company doesn't think that they have the capabilities to give my daughter the help she needs so they will help me find a better fit for my family but they are going to drop my daughter as a client.

I am so unspeakably angry, and sad. Yet again my child is abandoned by a adult male role model. She was doing so well with her previous therapist. I tried so hard to emphasize that her behavior, while it can be destructive and dangerous, is manageable whith the strategies we have. I made sure to let everyone know that I am willing to work with them, that we are a team with the common goal of helping my child. Her previous therapist understood this and helped me form the strategies that work for Ashalia now.

Was I over reacting to the situation? Did my anger ruin things for my daughter? What should I have done differently? What can I do now?

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I need to RANT.

(TW abuse)

What's important for this story is that my kids & I went through a horrible tragedy in April of 2023, that left my kids fatherless ( no sorry needed. He was a POS)

Since then everyone is in therapy. My middle child, Ashalia (m2F age 7) has done play therapy from 4 to 5 and regular therapy when she was 6 until now. The therapist she had was great with her, helped with her moods and anti-social behaviors and gave me strategies to use when she would get difficult and destructive.

Then out of nowhere dude leaves the practice and it takes a month for us to be scheduled with someone new.

The whole situation sets off Ashalia's abandonment issues. She was 4 when her father died and to her understanding of events, her dad never said anything, never left a note, or a toy, just one day they are happy and playing together and the next day there's a bunch of police in the house and her dad is gone.

So during the between therapists time she is just ramping up negative behaviors. She ran away from school, she was hitting people, spitting, she licked hand sanitizer, it was bad.

We get in and start seeing this new therapist Jaxon. I didn't really like him off the bat. I have autism though and I was willing to give it time for me to be more comfortable around someone new. My biggest problem was that Jax did not maintain boundaries with Ashalia. For example, Ashalia was talking and Jax says, "I'll let you finish talking about Pokémon but then I need to talk to your mom." Ashalia does the normal 7 year old infinite run on sentence and is just talking. She's moved well past Pokémon and has been on other things for a while. At first I'm just watching like, "how is this person going to handle this?" But after like 5 minutes I decided to jump in.

I said "hey, just so you know, Ashalia really needs for boundaries to be enforced. You set a boundary and she has exceeded it."

Jax said something along the lines of "I'm very patient. Things that might annoy other people don't annoy me."

I tried to re-state that it's not about patience, it's about teaching Ashalia that boundaries exist and she needs to observe them.

In the same session, they went to get a toy from outside of the office and my daughter, who at this point has known this man for all of 20 minutes, grabs Jax's hand to walk out of the office. Jax just shrugged and said okay.

Like !@$&\* are you actually kidding me right now. You get a client that has had trauma and abandonment and boundary breaking as their biggest hurdles and the mom even SPECIFICALLY TELLS YOU that you need to be setting -- and maintaining-- boundaries with her and you're just okay with her grabbing your hand? Not a thought in your head of saying to this vulnerable child like, I don't know, "hey buddy can you ask me if you can hold my hand first?"

So, I already don't like this guy, but like I said, I'm willing to give him a fair chance. At week 3 appointment I already know I need to miss week 4 because I needed an emergency dr appointment. So I asked my wife to come with me so I could show her where the office is & etc. The session was mostly Ashalia & Jax talking and me n wifey chilling in the waiting room.

That week Ashalia had a REALLY bad night. She refused to go to bed and when she got to her "if you don't go to bed by the time I count to 3 I'll pick you up and put you there." warning she screamed at the top of her lungs and ran away. My wife picked her up and carried her like a sack of potatoes to her room. During this 2 minute walk Ashalia scratched, bit, pulled hair, kicked, grabbed my wife's breast and twisted it, and screamed. A few minutes later, as my wife was carrying the baby to put him to bed, Ashalia ran out of her room and punched my wife in the stomach.

When she gets like this, she will not stop until she is stopped and we put the baby lock on her door for the night. This was intended to give her a consequence for her behavior and to keep her (and the rest of the house) safe.

The next session Ashalia complained about the baby lock on her door. A day later I get a call from Jax wanting to talk to me about my "extreme parenting methods." So I spend the next god forsaken hour explaining to this man, who has known my child for a grand total of 4 fucking hours, that the baby lock is used:

\* during the night -- when adults with fully developed brains are sleeping.

\* when she has broken too many bed time rules

\* when she has done something dangerous during the night

\* when she is actively harming other members of the house

I even agreed to meet with this man and my wife to talk about alternative methods for parenting Ashalia.

The next day I got a call and emergency visit from CPS. Now, they can't tell you who made the report but they can give you the wording of it. As soon as I heard about the baby lock complaint, I knew it was Jax that made the call. In and of itself it still would have felt really underhanded especially since I was trying to work with the guy to find better solutions. But dude started his report with mentioning the trauma our family went through in April of 2023. Trauma that my older daughter was subjected to. Because of Ashalia's age and slow speech development at the time of her father's death, I may never know if Ashalia also suffered the same abuse my older daughter did but her behavior strongly suggest that she did. However in Jaxon's report to CPS he asserted that Ashalia was a victim of the specific type of abuse my POS late husband subjected my older daughter to before explaining the child lock situation.

The CPS worker essentially told me that the bit about the baby lock wasn't a concern especially because it was already noted in Ashalia's file as a remediation step for him getting out of the house about a month after his father died. But that the first part of the report-- the part that had been almost 3 years ago-- legally had to be investigated within 24 hours.

I called the office where Jax works and filed an ethics complaint. Saying that the visit from CPS re-traumatized me. And that his report was wholey inappropriate and unethical. The supervisor I spoke with kept trying to say that Jax didn't mean any harm and was just trying to do what he thought was the right thing. Now, I am normally very conflict avoident. If someone even sneazes in a way that makes me think they are mad at me I go hide. But, this was about my kid and I shut that shit down fast. I just answered that if that was the case, he would have just put his concern in the report. Instead he started the report with things that happened years ago to weaponize the system against me and make his point for him.

About a week later, I texted the supervisor dude to tell him that during a 10 minute stretch where Ashalia was not being directly supervised, ( I was out feeding the chickens) she managed to remove the lightbulbs from the ceiling fan in her room, put them in her pillow case, and put the case in the sink and fill it with water to "make electricity." 🙄 Ashalia wasn't angry or trying to be trouble-some, this was just a normal day for her. I used it as an example of why it can be dangerous to let Ashalia exist unsupervised.

Supervisor dude calls me and says that his company doesn't think that they have the capabilities to give my daughter the help she needs so they will help me find a better fit for my family but they are going to drop my daughter as a client.

I am so unspeakably angry, and sad. Yet again my child is abandoned by a adult male role model. She was doing so well with her previous therapist. I tried so hard to emphasize that her behavior, while it can be destructive and dangerous, is manageable whith the strategies we have. I made sure to let everyone know that I am willing to work with them, that we are a team with the common goal of helping my child. Her previous therapist understood this and helped me form the strategies that work for Ashalia now.

Was I over reacting to the situation? Did my anger ruin things for my daughter? What should I have done differently? What can I do now?

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I have really bad social anxiety, I started listening to AITA stories as exposure therapy for my conflict avoidence. I've been loving your videos for about a year.

I need to RANT.

(TW abuse)

What's important for this story is that my kids & I went through a horrible tragedy in April of 2023, that left my kids fatherless ( no sorry needed. He was a POS)

Since then everyone is in therapy. My middle child, Ashalia (m2F age 7) has done play therapy from 4 to 5 and regular therapy when she was 6 until now. The therapist she had was great with her, helped with her moods and anti-social behaviors and gave me strategies to use when she would get difficult and destructive.

Then out of nowhere dude leaves the practice and it takes a month for us to be scheduled with someone new.

The whole situation sets off Ashalia's abandonment issues. She was 4 when her father died and to her understanding of events, her dad never said anything, never left a note, or a toy, just one day they are happy and playing together and the next day there's a bunch of police in the house and her dad is gone.

So during the between therapists time she is just ramping up negative behaviors. She ran away from school, she was hitting people, spitting, she licked hand sanitizer, it was bad.

We get in and start seeing this new therapist Jaxon. I didn't really like him off the bat. I have autism though and I was willing to give it time for me to be more comfortable around someone new. My biggest problem was that Jax did not maintain boundaries with Ashalia. For example, Ashalia was talking and Jax says, "I'll let you finish talking about Pokémon but then I need to talk to your mom." Ashalia does the normal 7 year old infinite run on sentence and is just talking. She's moved well past Pokémon and has been on other things for a while. At first I'm just watching like, "how is this person going to handle this?" But after like 5 minutes I decided to jump in.

I said "hey, just so you know, Ashalia really needs for boundaries to be enforced. You set a boundary and she has exceeded it."

Jax said something along the lines of "I'm very patient. Things that might annoy other people don't annoy me."

I tried to re-state that it's not about patience, it's about teaching Ashalia that boundaries exist and she needs to observe them.

In the same session, they went to get a toy from outside of the office and my daughter, who at this point has known this man for all of 20 minutes, grabs Jax's hand to walk out of the office. Jax just shrugged and said okay.

Like !@$&* are you actually kidding me right now. You get a client that has had trauma and abandonment and boundary breaking as their biggest hurdles and the mom even SPECIFICALLY TELLS YOU that you need to be setting -- and maintaining-- boundaries with her and you're just okay with her grabbing your hand? Not a thought in your head of saying to this vulnerable child like, I don't know, "hey buddy can you ask me if you can hold my hand first?"

So, I already don't like this guy, but like I said, I'm willing to give him a fair chance. At week 3 appointment I already know I need to miss week 4 because I needed an emergency dr appointment. So I asked my wife to come with me so I could show her where the office is & etc. The session was mostly Ashalia & Jax talking and me n wifey chilling in the waiting room.

That week Ashalia had a REALLY bad night. She refused to go to bed and when she got to her "if you don't go to bed by the time I count to 3 I'll pick you up and put you there." warning she screamed at the top of her lungs and ran away. My wife picked her up and carried her like a sack of potatoes to her room. During this 2 minute walk Ashalia scratched, bit, pulled hair, kicked, grabbed my wife's breast and twisted it, and screamed. A few minutes later, as my wife was carrying the baby to put him to bed, Ashalia ran out of her room and punched my wife in the stomach.

When she gets like this, she will not stop until she is stopped and we put the baby lock on her door for the night. This was intended to give her a consequence for her behavior and to keep her (and the rest of the house) safe.

The next session Ashalia complained about the baby lock on her door. A day later I get a call from Jax wanting to talk to me about my "extreme parenting methods." So I spend the next god forsaken hour explaining to this man, who has known my child for a grand total of 4 fucking hours, that the baby lock is used:

* during the night -- when adults with fully developed brains are sleeping.

* when she has broken too many bed time rules

* when she has done something dangerous during the night

* when she is actively harming other members of the house

I even agreed to meet with this man and my wife to talk about alternative methods for parenting Ashalia.

The next day I got a call and emergency visit from CPS. Now, they can't tell you who made the report but they can give you the wording of it. As soon as I heard about the baby lock complaint, I knew it was Jax that made the call. In and of itself it still would have felt really underhanded especially since I was trying to work with the guy to find better solutions. But dude started his report with mentioning the trauma our family went through in April of 2023. Trauma that my older daughter was subjected to. Because of Ashalia's age and slow speech development at the time of her father's death, I may never know if Ashalia also suffered the same abuse my older daughter did but her behavior strongly suggest that she did. However in Jaxon's report to CPS he asserted that Ashalia was a victim of the specific type of abuse my POS late husband subjected my older daughter to before explaining the child lock situation.

The CPS worker essentially told me that the bit about the baby lock wasn't a concern especially because it was already noted in Ashalia's file as a remediation step for him getting out of the house about a month after his father died. But that the first part of the report-- the part that had been almost 3 years ago-- legally had to be investigated within 24 hours.

I called the office where Jax works and filed an ethics complaint. Saying that the visit from CPS re-traumatized me. And that his report was wholey inappropriate and unethical. The supervisor I spoke with kept trying to say that Jax didn't mean any harm and was just trying to do what he thought was the right thing. Now, I am normally very conflict avoident. If someone even sneazes in a way that makes me think they are mad at me I go hide. But, this was about my kid and I shut that shit down fast. I just answered that if that was the case, he would have just put his concern in the report. Instead he started the report with things that happened years ago to weaponize the system against me and make his point for him.

About a week later, I texted the supervisor dude to tell him that during a 10 minute stretch where Ashalia was not being directly supervised, ( I was out feeding the chickens) she managed to remove the lightbulbs from the ceiling fan in her room, put them in her pillow case, and put the case in the sink and fill it with water to "make electricity." 🙄 Ashalia wasn't angry or trying to be trouble-some, this was just a normal day for her. I used it as an example of why it can be dangerous to let Ashalia exist unsupervised.

Supervisor dude calls me and says that his company doesn't think that they have the capabilities to give my daughter the help she needs so they will help me find a better fit for my family but they are going to drop my daughter as a client.

I am so unspeakably angry, and sad. Yet again my child is abandoned by a adult male role model. She was doing so well with her previous therapist. I tried so hard to emphasize that her behavior, while it can be destructive and dangerous, is manageable whith the strategies we have. I made sure to let everyone know that I am willing to work with them, that we are a team with the common goal of helping my child. Her previous therapist understood this and helped me form the strategies that work for Ashalia now.

Was I over reacting to the situation? Did my anger ruin things for my daughter? What should I have done differently? What can I do now?

I work with adult Rhesus Macacs; they can be anywhere from 1 to 3 foot tall and 8 to 30 lbs they have strong canine teeth that can get to about 2 inches long and sharp fingernails that in addition to commonly having feces, food, and, *a certain white substance from the males* under them, can transmit blood born diseases to humans that can kill you in a few months if you do not get proper treatment. They have the temperament of your average over-tired 3 year old and can go from sweetly asking for butt scratches to actively trying to kill you in the blink of an eye with no warning. They are smart little shits too with many of them requiring extra devices to ensure they don't mess with their cages in a way that denies them access to water.

I've been working with this species for 5 years. These work I do requires 2 people to get done safely and my strategy has always been to ask my partner a lot of questions. "Do you want to go in one cage at a time or do one whole side? Unlock or re-lock? Spray or feed? Are you ready? "

A lot of this is me making suggestions in the form of questions because I am a woman in a male dominated field and I've learned that fragile men don't like feeling like they are being ordered around by a woman.

So on Monday we had to consolidate from 4 cages down to 2 cages which ment that a few monkeys would have to be caught with a special pole that we can attach to their collar. I read through the request and was comparing it to the current schematic when 2 of my coworkers came into the hall. Let's call them Frank and Grumpy.

Frank loves to give out sage advice and I love to listen. I usually take his advice with a fistful of salt because he tends to be very negative but he's well meaning so I don't mind.

Frank asks me if I know what is going on with the monkey move. I said not exactly and he explained it because he had been the one to set up the cages. I asked him if he had the new room plan. He said no. I asked Grumpy because we were supposed to be doing the cage change together and a lot of the times the supervisor will give one person on the monkey team the new room plan. He said no. I asked if he knew who might have it (because there are 2 people who might) Frank said it was probably supervisor 1.

I asked Grumpy if he got the fruit we use to reward the monkeys for jumping into their clean cages and he said no. I said I'll go get that and a few other things we need to get started and try to find the new room plan.

So I find supervisor 1 tell him what I need and he gets it while I'm getting other things. I get back and Grumpy is already living up to his name. Clearly frustrated with how much time this mission has taken. I take a minute to read the instructions for moving monkeys and ask Grumpy if he is ready to get started.

We moved the first cage into the room and Grumpy unlocks two monkeys from one cage and moves the locks to the new cage while I get the poles. I ask if he wants to pole both monkeys over, or let the one that was going from a bottom cage to another bottom cage jump over with the tunnel.

Grumpy left the room.

I had no idea why, where he was going, or how long he would be gone. I stood in the room watching these two monkeys that could now at any point get out of their cages. Now I have a conundrum, do I prioritize my physical safety and put locks back on these cages and risk this man who was already being pissy in my direction coming back and being even more pissy that I've re-locked these monkeys? Grumpy comes back, looks at me, leaves again, comes back again. Finally decides to get started. He's still pissy in my direction the rest of the cage change. Even elbowing me in the face (luckily I was wareing a helmet) at one point.

So I go to my supervisor and tell him about what happened.

After break Grumpy comes back to the room to move the empty cages to the dirty side cage wash. He says to me "alright <my name> let me tell you how things are. We've been working together for 4 years and for for years every time we do a monkey cage change you act like you don't know what you're doing. So if that's the kind of energy you want to put into this, that the kind of energy I'm gonna put out."

At first I just said "okay" like I didn't care and just wanted to get shit done. But Grumpy kept harping on the same issue again and again. So I said, "look, every time I work with you, you make me feel like I'm doing something wrong, so I ask questions to try to make sure we're on the same page." He says BS I do it to get him to do extra work. To which I say no I don't. At that point he raises he voice and says "I left you alone for 10 minutes and the only thing that you did was give the monkeys jump fruit!"

At this point I got mad enough to match his energy entirely and yelled back. "You left me with two unlocked monkeys!"

I guess that what was good for the goose was not, in fact good for the gander, because Grumpy ran over and grabbed one of the union shop stuards (a guy he was friends with)

Grumpy explained his side to shop stuard and I explained mine. While the shop stuard basically told me that he read Grumpy the riot act and tell him he couldn't expect everyone to be able to do cage changes with zero communication, he also kinda sideways intimated that I should have gone to the shop stuards instead of a supervisor.

My response was that I don't care how this guy treats me, I've been in this industry dealing with insecure men for 19 years and I'm still here. As long as I can still get my job done correctly and safely it doesn't bother me if some ding dong decides to be pissy in my direction. But the minute Grumpy knowingly left the room with two monkeys unlocked, putting my life in danger, that crossed the line and that's not a shop stuard problem, that's a supervisor problem.

This is where the uh oh consequences comes in

A month or so later Grumpy decided to peace out of working with a different person in our department without communicating with them. This led to something that the company saw as "falsification of documentation. " this is a fireable offense and both people involved were let go.

However, our union is 💫 amazing 💫 and gotten Grumpy and the other coworker their jobs back after a few weeks. But he was on what's known as a "last chance." Which means that he can be fired for literally any reason and he would not be eligible to be hired back for the next two years.

Luckily for me Grumpy went to work in a different animal building so I didn't have to deal with working with him.

Now there's a new buzz about Grumpy and friends, this tea is hot and crazy. According to the gossip. Grumpy was working with monkeys, taking them out of their cage, placing them into a restraining device, assisting the vet associate with the treatment and putting the monkey back.  Grumpy and his partner had a particularly difficult monkey that freaked out while they were trying to put her back. As she was having her kiniption, the door to her cage slammed down on her nose. Grumpy addressed the monkey and said, "that's what you get for being a dumb fucking broad."

The early 20's young woman who was preforming the treatments heard this and spoke to a supervisor about it. The supervisor spoke with Grumpy about his behavior and he decided to go find the young woman and absolutely freak out on her. Yelling, cursing, and according to some accounts, throwing things.

Everyone was talking about this series of events. Many saying that Grumpy is certainly fired now, and they saw him get escorted off of the work site.

BUT it turns out that Grumpy did not get fired! He was transferred to a different department and was told that he was no longer welcome to work in the Animal Care department.

I know it's not the most satisfying of consequences but I figured the wild ride was worth the read.