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On a rewatch I just noticed that Caroline (old money) consciously chooses to “marry down” class-wise, as does Shiv. Both of them end the show partnered with strivers.

Caroline delights in making fun of Peter’s tacky class aspirations. Before that she was with Rory who iirc seemed to be kind of a barnacle. And, before that, she married Logan, who was new money.

Shiv married Tom, a man “fathoms beneath her,” whom she later calls “striving and parochial. Striving and parochial is Peter Munion to a tee.

Shiv married Tom after a period of life where she was “all a mess,” her self-esteem lowered so that she married down to protect herself. Caroline seemed to move down each relationship, going from powerful, rich, new money Logan to Peter, as presumably her self-esteem took hits from Logan’s infidelity and her children choosing him over her (allegedly).

I find it interesting how Shiv’s choice of Tom seems to echo her mother’s choices of partner.

I always think about this so wanted to kick it to this sub!

Deleted scenes from this movie are so rich. They always make me wonder about the movie we got, an all-out classic that captured the moment and had such immense staying power, and the (at least 2 movies) that Titanic could easily have ended up as instead:

1. A straight-up period piece: Titanic minus the present-day finding Titanic plotline, and instead included all the deleted scenes that further flesh out the characters and romance (Rose visits 3rd class, Rose’s panic attack, the death of Cora, etc). A movie I feel would have been superb but far more niche, and not blown up or been remembered in the same way.

2. Core focus on the outside “finding the Titanic” plot, where the alternate filmed ending is used (present-day Rose is discovered with the heart of the ocean and throws it into the sea in front of the ship crew and her granddaughter, forcing them all to process that it’s gone rather than missing, and the discovery ship captain has a romance with her granddaughter). A movie that would have been truly just ok, with a total blunder ending that was only cut by the grace of test audiences hating it.

I think about this way too much, because when you watch deleted scenes you really realize how miraculous the movie we got was. And I wish these alternate cuts existed too.

Anyone else have thoughts on this, or a favorite deleted scene?

Hopefully this opinion isn’t too unpopular. I personally wish Hill would start trying to avoid the tic of frequent King references.

His work stands on its own strength and he uses his own name, but he references King’s work so often that it really draws a comparison where none is needed in my opinion. His style is completely different and he’s his own fully-adult person.

Just my opinion but it annoys me a fair bit and takes me out of his stories when I’m enjoying them.

Anyone else have an opinion on this? What do others think?