r/SuccessionTV

ETA I know it's because she's a woman LOL but I was expecting her to do, I don't know, something that wasn't objectively the right move by any measure. I was expecting the misogynists to have a little more of a leg to stand on. But now, they just don't like seeing a woman being mean to a man. And while I'm at it, Rava was also right about everything she said and did in the last two episodes. And Kendall is the worst.

I mean, disclaimer, obviously we hate everyone, including Shiv. But a couple days ago I saw a post about finishing the show and the first sentence was just "I HATE SHIV!!!!!" which is WILD to me.

Of course all the siblings are acting in self-interest 99% of the time, and of course I think there was a large degree of self-interest in Shiv choosing to vote for the deal. She knew Tom well enough to know that he would be kinder to her than either of them had been to each other up to this point if got the upper hand, so she had no less to gain from him being CEO than Ken being CEO, and Tom would be more competent at it. And, if him offering his hand to her in the car is any indication, she was right.

So yeah, her decision was self-interested. But it was also objectively the right move for the company. Any confidence I had in Kendall was absolutely obliterated by his meltdown in the last twenty minutes. As soon as he faced a little bit of pushback, any argument in his favour that was grounded in logic or reason went out the window and it became about him being daddy's special boy and not knowing what to do with his life otherwise. Although I think he would have been a better CEO than Rome or Shiv (though still not a very good one overall), it was never about that. It was always about his ego and the promise Logan made to him when he was seven. He was like a child crying about not getting what they wanted for Christmas. And if there was any hope in hell of changing Shiv's mind, he blew it. And rightfully so.

Plus, I do think Shiv was genuinely troubled by the decision. She wasn't plotting to sabotage Ken the whole time they were crowning him king; if that were the case she would have delivered her vote swiftly and with Machiavellian coldness. She didn't. I think it actually was hard for her, because she did feel a degree of loyalty to Ken and to the idea of a family business. But in the end she made the decision that was right for both her and the company.

Don't get me wrong, I do feel sympathy for Kendall. I think he's pathetic and I don't relate to him or empathize with him the way some people do, but it sucks to have been promised the world at seven years old and to realize you're never going to have it. It sucks that he was strung along by his dad for decades. Being the oldest child is a lot of pressure in any family, and certainly in this one especially. But none of that changes the fact that he was just not cut out for it. I thought it was really powerful when he said, in his eulogy at Logan's funeral "my God, I hope it's in me." Because it wasn't. It just wasn't in him.

I don't know if anyone agrees or has said it before, but I feel like a lot of his manipulations was because of the fact that he couldn't live with the fact that the children have better lives and money than he did when he was young. He didn't earn anything easily, and so he wouldn't give that away easily either, not even to his own children (which is in itself not right and a real big problem he has). Tbh, he might have given it to someone other than his children JUST BECAUS he was sooo petty and spiteful.

I see so much demonization of anyone showing any sympathy to Kendall in this sub. He is the protagonist, and you aren't "missing the point" if you liked him and wanted him to succeed. You are falling for the character, which is what the writers intended. You are SUPPOSED to feel sympathy for him while recognizing his flaws. And it also doesn't make you a villain to dislike the characters or obstacles that get in the way of him succeeding.

That's not to say that you have to like Kendall over any other character, but it's a defense of people who do like him.

It's the classic Tony Soprano / Jordan Belfort scenario. Both of them are pieces of shit, but you spend 5 seasons watching them grow and fight battles and fail and triumph and repeat, only for some total brick to tell you "Heh, u like this character? He's actually a piece of shit, and ur supposed to hate him. TOTALLY missed the point of the show, you're not literate like I am."

Just ridiculous. There is no reason someone should be shamed or gaslit into feeling unintelligent because they got mad at Shiv for her decision in the end or Roman for undercutting Ken with Gojo/Mattsson in Birthday. Again, it's like criticizing someone for supporting Tony in the war against New York/Phil Leotardo when, by most accounts, Phil was a better person and upheld their values to a greater degree.

Obviously a billion dollars is a foolproof safety net but will any of them be able to built it into even more billions through smart investments/ventures (doubtful) or will they mismanage their inheritance and lose some of it? How many generations do you think the wealth will extend to? Historically some ultra wealthy families end up loosing everything over the course of a couple generations, like the Vanderbilts, who lost most of their wealth. Does the family trust extend past Logan’s death? Who will be the executor of it if it does?

This is not me saying that I want a 5th season, quite the opposite. I heard that the show was actually supposed to go on past season 4 but they decided season 4 was a perfect ending after it was over. It makes me wonder though what season 5 would be if they decided they did want to go on, because I don't see how you could even continue after the season 4 finale. It would probably end up like the Walking Dead, where they're just dragging a story that ended a long time ago.

I had a few thoughts

Logan: He reminds me of my grandpa lol, RIP

Kendall: I feel so bad for him, he failed every one of his attempts, I was rooting for him so sad that he lost.

Roman: He kinda won, he didn't really want the throne he was just fomo. He got rich and was free to do whatever

Shiv: she's nice (I'm being held at gunpoint)

Tom: He lost everything to win?

Greg: stupid piece of shit

Matson: The outsider who won everything.

(IM NOT MISOGYNISTIC I THREW SHADE AT GREG TOO)

We just gotta take a moment to appreciate that somehow everything in this show came together perfectly. Every Single shot is perfect, the writing is perfect, and every single actor in this show, even if they aren't focused on, is giving it their all. Television shows just don't come together like this very often and I'm so glad Succession was an exception. It's my favorite show of all time and I'm glad that out of every generation I could have been born in, I was born just in time to watch Succession.

Kendall probably killed himself

Roman probably became an alcoholic

Shiv was forced to repeat the cycle and basically become her mother

Connor is just Connor

I just finished my first watch of the show and Im so disappointed in the ending and last season as a whole.

First off, FUCK SIOBHAN. She will be an awful mom and I hope she has a terrible life😤

None of the siblings changed at all, was that the point?! That “people cant change”?

Greg had the most character development out of anyone. I don’t need to explain Greg’s monstrous and epic climb up corporate America, his legend speaks for itself.

Toms story was good, starts off as a “Greg” to Shiv and eventually starts scheming on his own and doing his own plotting. But then at the end of the show, they just throw all his characters development away. He is still a needy little bitch who needs Siobhan and her approval, he isn’t a killer.

It felt like the story quality took a huge nose dive after s3. Like they realized towards the end of the show “Oh shit, Logan has to die for this to go anywhere”. I dont know man, I get the whole “Lifes a bitch” thing but like for reallllll? THATS the ending season?

They build Kendall up so much throughout the show, and they just do nothing with it. He was becoming a killer like his dad, business was Ken’s whole life. He really grew into it towards the end and they just threw it all away.

Idk im just salty about the end season, 1-3 were amazing. At least the disgusting brothers had one last victory, only good thing they wrapped up.

My head canon is this: Ken kills himself, Roman does weird sex crimes on Big E’s island, Shiv is a housewife for Tom, and Greg coups Tom and takes the company for himself.

Im losing it here, please share your insights.

What do you guys think happens to Ken after the show?

Do you think the story took a dip after season 3?

Am I just butthurt that the ending was less filling than Sopranos?

Kept dismissing him as the useless older brother during my first watch but going back through I realize he might have some of the best lines on the show. The delivery on his campaign scenes especially, the fact that he takes himself completely seriously while everyone around him is barely humoring him is such a specific type of comedy. Also his whole arc with Willa somehow makes more sense the second time around. First watch I found their storyline kind of boring, now it feels like one of the more honest relationships on the show. Everyone else is manipulating each other and these two just have a weird transactional thing that actually works. Anyway, just love Connor

Im watching the show for the first time and cant help but notice that Sophie (Kendall’s daughter) is Indian😭

I’m on s4 ep6 and dont remember them ever mentioning the kids being adopted or coming from Rava cheating or something like that. Was it implied and I just missed it? I feel like this would have been one of those things that Logan shoves in Ken’s face like he often did.

I’m not one of those people who play on their phone while they watch a show so Im really confused.